How to design a logo with golden Ratio | Adobe Illustrator Tutorial

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  • @kiharapata
    @kiharapata 4 роки тому +1176

    When your mates don't agree with your contributions to the group project:
    Hold alt and erase the useless parts

  • @noacastillo9608
    @noacastillo9608 7 років тому +639

    I saw this in my recommendations. I'm no logo maker but I'm not disappointed. It's oddly satisfying to watch

  • @NutsaChubinidze
    @NutsaChubinidze 5 років тому +7

    Honestly first thing that made me want to subscribe is that there's no loud cringy dubstep background music. Also, the pace of the talk is so easy to listen to and I understood everything! I'm making my first logos and this is my favourite channel from now on. Bird chirping is so calming!

  • @sherline2570
    @sherline2570 4 роки тому +108

    Honestly, one of the most clean tutorials i've seen. I'm no expert or anything, but your tutorial is in self, an inspiration to experiment and to just enjoy the process along the way. With this i found a lot of ways to use the tools provided. Thank you good sir :)

  • @jayreambonanza1991
    @jayreambonanza1991 4 роки тому +75

    I was trying this technique and learned using values to mathematically imitate this
    1st square - 560 px
    2nd square - 350 px
    3rd square - 210 px
    4th square - 140px
    5th square - 70px
    Use these values for the circles and align them

    • @almerbatti8586
      @almerbatti8586 2 роки тому

      Thanks m8 !

    • @summert.ibrahim7701
      @summert.ibrahim7701 2 роки тому

      Yo you're smart

    • @Cobalf
      @Cobalf 2 роки тому

      you can do it with any number as long as goes with the Fibonacci sequence (x=xn-1+xn-2) so, 3rd square= 140 + 70

    • @seanperry1321
      @seanperry1321 Рік тому +1

      These values don't adhere to the ratio though. The golden ratio is ~1.618, and 560/350 is not equal to that ratio.

  • @alem50
    @alem50 4 роки тому +406

    Why is Stephen hawking giving me a logo tutorial at 1 a.m

  • @redinca1
    @redinca1 6 років тому +103

    The nature sound in the background gave this a special touch

  • @adamquinlan6140
    @adamquinlan6140 5 років тому +371

    If you double-click the scale tool and set the value of uniform scale to 161.8% you can easily increase elements by the golden ratio.

    •  4 роки тому +7

      and to decrease elements, the value of uniform scale is 61.8% ? right?

    • @blueyay
      @blueyay 4 роки тому +4

      @ 16.18

    • @changmahwenn7632
      @changmahwenn7632 4 роки тому

      yes, this is what i do

    • @changmahwenn7632
      @changmahwenn7632 4 роки тому +8

      I simply divide by 1.618

    • @simomonster
      @simomonster 4 роки тому

      thanks

  • @NateBartlett
    @NateBartlett 7 років тому +35

    Amazing tutorial. I've been looking for someone to explain this process for a long time. Most of the videos of this on youtube, are time lapsed videos with no explanation. Thank you.

    • @MohamedAchraf
      @MohamedAchraf  7 років тому +1

      +Nate Bartlett You Are welcome, happy to help.

  • @大眾眼裡的神經病
    @大眾眼裡的神經病 2 роки тому +1

    So far the only tutorial I've seen that takes it slow and doesn't require prior experience to soft design.

  • @aftabjaved3726
    @aftabjaved3726 2 роки тому +1

    I am speechless, as i only have experience of illustrator 6 months, sir you have made me mind blown, now i am thinking how many years will i need to achieve this level,, well done

  • @Mocorn
    @Mocorn 5 років тому +32

    This is no joke one of the most relaxing channels on UA-cam. Also, great content! I'm so glad I found this channel.

  • @GierlangBhaktiPutra
    @GierlangBhaktiPutra 7 років тому +13

    Now this is it! While other tutorials provide quick sketch using those golden ratio circles, you explained in details about the design process. It is really helpful!

  • @hassaanhameed
    @hassaanhameed 19 днів тому

    today is my first day in design but my teacher once said about this spirl(golden circle in the computing intro class teaching the concept of fibonacci sequence)
    i love the way how you teach the basis and core of the golden ratio

  • @bastardlemonade
    @bastardlemonade 3 роки тому +2

    OMG the background sounds are so wholesome & calming. I was able to concentrate from start to end, even though I have ADHD. Thank u.

  • @gilsonviana4936
    @gilsonviana4936 6 років тому +41

    Absolute amazing technique. Loved the birds in the background as well.

  • @Bordigioni
    @Bordigioni 6 років тому +10

    I do not speak English, and the robot voice helps me understand what you say. Incredible tutorials, you're the best!

  • @YamanKain5
    @YamanKain5 7 років тому +6

    Love this Tutorial Sir....
    I'm also a designer.... i have seen so many logos designed using these circles but i didn't understand how to use these circles for designing a logo but your tutorial made me to understand. It just perfect Sir. Thank you for Sharing. :)

  • @lalo924
    @lalo924 4 роки тому +1504

    I just wished he would have said "thats the end of the turtletorial"

  • @michaelz8235
    @michaelz8235 4 роки тому +16

    This reminds me of the circle stencils I had as a child and teenager. I used them to design on paper of what we now call fonts and other stuff. This is very helpful with creating design.

  • @Dragunnitum
    @Dragunnitum 7 років тому +1140

    The birds! ♥

    • @MohamedAchraf
      @MohamedAchraf  7 років тому +16

      Yep !! :)

    • @SofiaCavalcante
      @SofiaCavalcante 7 років тому +13

      Mohammed Amine Salhi i was about to say that, i really appreciated this detail

    • @MohamedAchraf
      @MohamedAchraf  7 років тому +9

      Thanks

    • @blimpington
      @blimpington 7 років тому +1

      I read your name as Mohammed Anime Salty.

    • @latinillusion00
      @latinillusion00 7 років тому +4

      OMG yesss the birds make this sooo nice to watch

  • @dennisharold9603
    @dennisharold9603 7 років тому +4

    Hi Mohamed, I am a video editor and motion graphics animator who is trying to develop better design acumen. I stumbled across this tutorial and for the FIRST time I have understood how to use the golden ratios. Very excellent demonstration. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.

    • @MohamedAchraf
      @MohamedAchraf  7 років тому

      Oh Dennis So happy that I helped, You are very welcome dude!

    • @mcPoPh
      @mcPoPh 6 років тому

      Yes, I really like this tutorial too! I think I'll go through it and learn some Illustrator, that's the idea, right? Thanks!

  • @ALasmry707
    @ALasmry707 6 років тому +5

    Mohamed, that's a great job you do and I really appreciate sharing it with us. I'm an IT student and I love designing. Now I started learning Illustrator instead of using Photoshop because of you so THANK YOU.

  • @trajectory7235
    @trajectory7235 2 роки тому

    The robot voice almost made me click away from the video, but something kept me watching... and I'm glad I did. I'm a graphic design student, and I haven't been able to understand the golden ratio concept yet, but something about this video showing the process of you making the golden ratio from scratch and applying it to the logo helped me understand better. So thank you! Thank you for creating this video from your jungle computer haha

  • @nimnim5149
    @nimnim5149 4 роки тому

    I have nothing to do with logo designing but TBH this video with that clear voice was surprisingly satisfying.

  • @ununluckerunlucker4121
    @ununluckerunlucker4121 7 років тому +401

    This voice and that birds singing, man, I love it

    • @MohamedAchraf
      @MohamedAchraf  7 років тому +24

      Glad to hear that, I enjoy designing while listening to this birds.

    • @ununluckerunlucker4121
      @ununluckerunlucker4121 7 років тому +1

      I'll try it too then

    • @ruuvivaras6305
      @ruuvivaras6305 7 років тому

      Mohamed Achraf I just open my window and I'll hear birds

    • @Matt-gt8nn
      @Matt-gt8nn 7 років тому +19

      Artistically its kind of nice because there is a certain contrast between a technological voice and the sound of nature working with each other.

    • @Oscar_Armstrong
      @Oscar_Armstrong 7 років тому +14

      the voice is google translate lmfao

  • @themajor2190
    @themajor2190 5 років тому +32

    You taught me what my professor seems to not able to for the last 4 year

    • @harryh.r.9082
      @harryh.r.9082 3 роки тому

      For real, the amount of people who don't know how easy it is to make money when you have this tutorial mastered is astonishing...

    • @harryh.r.9082
      @harryh.r.9082 3 роки тому

      @Shroom King This tutorial is about using the circles in YOUR OWN ART, the turtle is just an example, he also shows coloring layering and tools techniques, PICK UP your brain before commenting...

  • @acetodialcol5068
    @acetodialcol5068 3 роки тому +6

    This blew out my mind. It's so weird that the universal concept of beauty can be summarized using a ratio. I'm not an artist nor designer (I'm more into science) but this is truly fascinating

    • @VantageCollective
      @VantageCollective 2 роки тому

      It's all geometry my friend. Try taking some psychedelics lol

  • @jbsinluenam
    @jbsinluenam Рік тому

    Stumbled upon this vdo by chance and all I wanted to say is - With great content comes great comment section. Thank you, Mohamed.

  • @josivaldofranciscodasilva3745
    @josivaldofranciscodasilva3745 2 роки тому

    HOLYY SHIITTT I LOVE YOU I'VE BEEN SEARCHING AROUND THE INTERNET FOR 5 HOURS AND THEN NOW IT'S OVER FINALLY I LOVE YOU MAAN

  • @Meianju
    @Meianju 7 років тому +11

    This video is excellent. You start from the very basic and go all the way trough the process. You are an excellent master. Wish I had found this video weeks ago would have saved me alot of time and pain.

    • @MohamedAchraf
      @MohamedAchraf  7 років тому +1

      Thank you so much, stay tuned the best is yet to come

  • @Bonker_SYT
    @Bonker_SYT 2 роки тому +3

    The most structured and detailed tutorial i ca across until now. Thank you very much!

  • @hrishikeshch9067
    @hrishikeshch9067 5 років тому +27

    this is the best tutorial i have seen in many days ...LOVE IT 🥰

  • @SugilChill
    @SugilChill 7 років тому +17

    LOVED IT...SPECIALLY the sound of the birds behind your video

  • @TheEdquijano
    @TheEdquijano 7 років тому +4

    In the name of the whole watchers UA-cam students from the MA channel, I'm honored to give you the mention with THE OUTSTANDING GENEROSITY ALPHA PROFESSOR for your Illustrator teachings and contribution to the general UA-camrs public.

    • @MohamedAchraf
      @MohamedAchraf  7 років тому

      Thanks a lot for your kind words dude, I don't know what to say but, you are very welcome you and all students.
      Regards.

  • @zaiahwolfe
    @zaiahwolfe 5 років тому +15

    This is amazing, I’m definitely gonna have to try messing around with this

  • @abduriadi
    @abduriadi 2 роки тому

    Blakey Don't stop making soft. I wished I started as early as you. You have a lot of years to learn!

  • @villagevlog2348
    @villagevlog2348 4 роки тому

    i am a beginer of adobe illustrator.. Thanks for your video to create logos from golden circle

  • @jellybunny7013
    @jellybunny7013 5 років тому +113

    Arigato....Gyro...

    • @YanisAllad
      @YanisAllad 5 років тому +1

      >-

    • @fahren1884
      @fahren1884 4 роки тому +2

      @LeCoolFace hehe tg, inculte.

    • @khairiu28
      @khairiu28 4 роки тому +2

      I do really wish to find this kind of jojo content comment😂

    • @imdraaaven2761
      @imdraaaven2761 4 роки тому +1

      @ً no u

  • @KiernanMoore
    @KiernanMoore 7 років тому +47

    At the end when you were adding shadows and highlights with the pen and arc tool, why didn’t you use one of the golden circles?

    • @MohamedAchraf
      @MohamedAchraf  7 років тому +3

      +Kiernan Moore yeah you can do it but I just used theGR for the turtle shape.

    • @ganglandofficialgangster6752
      @ganglandofficialgangster6752 5 років тому

      Pagal chahiye video Kabhi upload mat karna

    • @ashishkumarmishra2951
      @ashishkumarmishra2951 4 роки тому

      @@ganglandofficialgangster6752 akhir kehna kya chahate ho?

    • @alchemist9207
      @alchemist9207 4 роки тому +2

      @@ashishkumarmishra2951 alien language me baat kar raha bhai😂

  • @Machin396
    @Machin396 5 років тому +107

    "I will teach you how to design with golden circles",
    step 1 :
    6:00 draw a golden circle sketch logo
    me: now I need a tutorial for sketching lol

  • @sabrinaserenityhannahaznat2058
    @sabrinaserenityhannahaznat2058 2 роки тому +1

    So helpful for my college task. It's really hard before I watched your tutorial!

  • @shyamsundar7272
    @shyamsundar7272 Місяць тому

    Even though I couldn't able to believe it. But it's real. Great work.

  • @theyirum5501
    @theyirum5501 7 років тому +6

    The most practical and valuable vid tutorial!!

    • @MohamedAchraf
      @MohamedAchraf  7 років тому

      +Jongbin Lim thank you so much, glad that you like it.

  • @theriverforth
    @theriverforth 3 роки тому +3

    Thank you for this simple-to-follow tutorial without too much information! ❤️

  • @katsuxrlj
    @katsuxrlj 4 роки тому +10

    Never heard of this, but wow!
    New ideas for designing.
    Btw, I'm learning designing and Illustration only in UA-cam haha.

  • @13chw
    @13chw 2 роки тому

    May the knowledge be a blessing brother, إن شاء الله

  • @jancarlocabantoc4956
    @jancarlocabantoc4956 2 роки тому

    Your videos have helped reach over $200,000 in stocks by age 23! Thanks In The setup. Keep the videos coming.

  • @DannyTrombley
    @DannyTrombley 4 роки тому +11

    This was an amazing tutorial. Been trying to find a resource that explains this so simply!

  • @gusmiller8708
    @gusmiller8708 7 років тому +39

    Awesome video mate. Professional :) Looks like you have made some awesome logo's from your dribbble account. I love your style. Subbed :)

    • @MohamedAchraf
      @MohamedAchraf  7 років тому +1

      Thanks a lot dude, I appreciate that.

  • @0rdinary_6entleman
    @0rdinary_6entleman 7 років тому +2096

    I bet he is sitting in the jungle

    • @MohamedAchraf
      @MohamedAchraf  7 років тому +146

      Lol

    • @zerobambiro
      @zerobambiro 5 років тому +102

      With his robot friend who is talking while himself is designing.

    • @wattnott
      @wattnott 5 років тому +48

      I live in the jungle, I don’t notice the bird sounds until I read the comments as it sounds like that here.

    • @suleymashka
      @suleymashka 5 років тому +3

      Sure))

    • @Luka_WiFi
      @Luka_WiFi 4 роки тому +4

      In the jungle in quiet jungle the lion sleeps tonight

  • @binhvuthanh7546
    @binhvuthanh7546 2 роки тому

    You are an excellent instructor. I will stick with you.

  • @artandillustration
    @artandillustration 2 роки тому

    Sir you are amazing and I believe that you are my Teacher. Thanks a lot.

  • @kashfox1050
    @kashfox1050 4 роки тому +34

    After he make commentary on his designing videos, he will take 15 minutes break and make commentary on BBC Earth videos.

  • @undeadnt
    @undeadnt 4 роки тому +148

    Alternative title:
    Using Jojo Bizarre Adventure "Spin" to improve this cool turtle i drew

    • @xroseblossomx652
      @xroseblossomx652 4 роки тому +10

      *this cool Polnareff

    • @AethernaLuxen
      @AethernaLuxen 4 роки тому +1

      Sadly, he didn't make a horse with the golden ratio

    • @uchihaphoenix6138
      @uchihaphoenix6138 4 роки тому +1

      Ora ora ora ora ora ora

    • @sehhmie5483
      @sehhmie5483 3 роки тому

      Jojo fans when they recycle the same jokes even though they only watched 1 episodes of it

  • @ndop
    @ndop 7 років тому +20

    This is everything! Easy to understand. Thanks for sharing!

  • @FirlimainWT
    @FirlimainWT 2 роки тому

    i've been ssing around on a friends soft soft for years, finally bought it. I found your videos and instantly subscribed and have been

  • @cyntiajuliana919
    @cyntiajuliana919 2 роки тому

    you are not like the others who puts link filled with adds, so u deserve to be subscribed..... thanks for the plugin and all the best for future

  • @Wnstxn199x
    @Wnstxn199x 5 років тому +349

    "And now"
    "The shape builder toooool"

  • @daskhux6604
    @daskhux6604 7 років тому +26

    Nice video and great work. Not to be pedantic but this is a Fibonacci sequence which is not a golden ratio rectangle. But none the less great job!

    • @_n3pu
      @_n3pu 7 років тому

      Yes. Correct ratio around 1.618. Of course, do not underestimate a beautiful tutorial. Congratulations.

    • @DenissJershov
      @DenissJershov 7 років тому

      Exactly! In Fibonacci sequence ratio between two selected squares is close to 1,618 but not exactly it. Can be smaller, can be bigger. In GR it is constant. But from point of view of building a fast grid in AI, indeed, is simplest way.

    • @CesarDainezi
      @CesarDainezi 7 років тому +3

      Don't you think it would be a much easier process to get a bunch of circles in golden ration relation just to follow this algorithm:
      1. Make the first circle with 100px in radius or diameter (doesn't matter which).
      2. Make a second circle with 162px in radius or diameter, the same you chose for the first.
      3. Put the first circle inside the second with center aligned.
      4. Resize both circles until the larger circle is 100px in radius or diameter.
      5. Repeat steps 2-4 until you have the amount of circles you wanna use.

    • @thecreativefuture594
      @thecreativefuture594 7 років тому

      awesome ! :D

  • @llewellynliew3264
    @llewellynliew3264 6 років тому +10

    Hi, teacher. May I know when designing a logo must use golden ratio or just depend you want to use or not? :)

  • @michaeleslabra632
    @michaeleslabra632 2 роки тому

    TNice tutorials should be the first video that pops up when you're new to making soft

  • @nabeelsajid4307
    @nabeelsajid4307 2 роки тому

    Honestly, One of the best tutorial I'have watched ever. Thank you sir.

  • @israelhurtado
    @israelhurtado 4 роки тому +6

    Congratulations and thank you for your tutorial, excellent content and a clean and very professional video. The rhythm of your video is excellent, it contains the elemental elements and it is in good taste.
    A question, which program did you use to make the video, in particular to show your sound wave type voice? Thank you.

  • @heydendra
    @heydendra 6 років тому +6

    thank you!! this is awesome!!
    but I was confused to find the sound of birds, I think there are birds into my room ahhahaa

  • @SaintAugustine17
    @SaintAugustine17 5 років тому +5

    I love the birds in the background ❤️

  • @simaopereira8646
    @simaopereira8646 2 роки тому

    I had no idea tNice tutorials blew up until now holy sNice tutorialt

  • @jsmrcrl
    @jsmrcrl 2 роки тому

    men your videos are relaxing as hell and I don't know why

  • @tendividedbysix4835
    @tendividedbysix4835 7 років тому +11

    It was a very cool lesson, I especially liked that bit in the video where you blew my mind.

    • @MohamedAchraf
      @MohamedAchraf  7 років тому

      You are welcome, glad that you like it :)

  • @bluegiant13
    @bluegiant13 5 років тому +4

    The logo definitely has a certain elegance and appeal in the shapes.

  • @LyricWulf
    @LyricWulf 6 років тому +109

    recTANgle

  • @theRoyalPriesthood2024
    @theRoyalPriesthood2024 2 роки тому

    Like 2 minutes in and you've solved the issues I was having. I didn't realize that box for showing what was going on was there, I didn't

  • @xdzwazd
    @xdzwazd 2 роки тому

    TNice tutorials was excellent man, thank you so much! I'm a 40yr old noob that's always wanted to try making soft and never got around to it. I'm

  • @justinesajijohn
    @justinesajijohn 4 роки тому +6

    What is the advantage of using the golden circle ratios?
    I'm just asking cuz I am not familiar with logo making...

    • @fahdabdulrahman7932
      @fahdabdulrahman7932 4 роки тому +1

      Golden ratio is said to be the most beautiful ratio.the most beautiful faces are more close to golden ratio

  • @qwertyuiop-cy5en
    @qwertyuiop-cy5en 5 років тому +8

    golden ratio: *curvy noises*
    everyone: ill take your entire stonks

  • @ositaka
    @ositaka 7 років тому +11

    Man, what a lovely tutorial!
    Thank you very much!
    All the best

    • @MohamedAchraf
      @MohamedAchraf  7 років тому +1

      +Nuno Marques thanks, you are welcome!

  • @juankv26
    @juankv26 5 років тому

    No annoying music, great!

  • @micokecrafts
    @micokecrafts 3 роки тому

    I had never wonder any thing like *Golden Ratio* and now when I am knowing it. Its like a magic ✨🎩✨
    Your tutorial is awesome 👏✊👍

  • @bas2362
    @bas2362 7 років тому +18

    Everytime you say maintain Alt, some voice in my head says maintain altitude.
    Probably still something from flyinglessons.

  • @radoslavmilev1872
    @radoslavmilev1872 Рік тому +3

    Hello! I really liked the gradients you use in the video and I was wondering if you could share them with us? Thank you for the amazing video!

  • @Gravitytubes
    @Gravitytubes 7 років тому +37

    very cool!, thanks!

  • @snigdhaduttabanik9793
    @snigdhaduttabanik9793 2 роки тому

    One of the best logo design tutorial using golden ratio i have ever seen. So much helpful

  • @TeenageHeadcase
    @TeenageHeadcase 5 місяців тому

    absolutely a great tutorial, something to come back to even after 6 years, still comes in handy! Thank you 👍🏼

  • @bertnealy8079
    @bertnealy8079 7 років тому +5

    Great Teacher Award !

  • @gmhenry14
    @gmhenry14 5 років тому +5

    Amazing video! Great job
    Quick question: what's the app used for the commentary?

  • @claudiocastillo6343
    @claudiocastillo6343 7 років тому +5

    Thank you for this tutorial, *siri*

  • @raghavendrachowdhari2604
    @raghavendrachowdhari2604 4 роки тому +2

    Simply wow! you have simplified the learning through your simplified explanation.

  • @melihkara3898
    @melihkara3898 2 роки тому

    Thank u for being a great human being and taking ti to help all of us noobs out cheers

  • @jeremygorski7570
    @jeremygorski7570 5 років тому +52

    The twitter logo is also made out of golden circles isn't it?

    • @rare.ruturaj
      @rare.ruturaj 5 років тому +6

      Yes

    • @HexJK
      @HexJK 4 роки тому +4

      Close to all larger companies have logos that incorporate the golden ratio to an extent. It's used mostly to assist branding guidelines rather than "aesthetics".

    • @TehBananaBread
      @TehBananaBread 3 роки тому

      No its not. You cant just take the grid and rearrange all the circles in each other and still call it golden ratio.

    • @TehBananaBread
      @TehBananaBread 3 роки тому

      End result has nothing that indicates golden ratio. You cant just slam circles randomly in each other and think the ratio is preserved.

    • @laibatariq7934
      @laibatariq7934 3 роки тому

      Nice point

  • @daisuke2445
    @daisuke2445 4 роки тому +8

    *This Is Steel Ball **_Run_** moment!*

  • @Gabsboy123
    @Gabsboy123 3 роки тому +3

    The Golden Ratio and a turtle. Two JoJo references in one vid.

  • @sabirali3622
    @sabirali3622 4 роки тому

    I like ur background sound 360 effect..I feel fresh to hear birds..thanks

  • @jaikishanbadgujar5742
    @jaikishanbadgujar5742 3 роки тому

    You are really good teacher . you know that what kind of explanation students want . Thank you so much from heart you taught every thing very well . No one teach this . They just like fast and fast .

  • @danielm.1599
    @danielm.1599 7 років тому +8

    Where did you get that voice over software?

    • @Lankans
      @Lankans 5 років тому

      dont ask I wont answer you bye

    • @Aeonxal
      @Aeonxal 5 років тому

      google translate LOL

  • @dangerdude8018
    @dangerdude8018 4 роки тому +9

    Me:
    Narrator: ShaPe BUilder Tooool

  • @engrzzzzz9311
    @engrzzzzz9311 4 роки тому +5

    This was how the twitter's logo was created, right?

  • @erickzera4076
    @erickzera4076 Рік тому

    Just wanna confirm that it worked , thank you !

  • @gelexblazeshorts7679
    @gelexblazeshorts7679 2 роки тому

    Thank you so much for all these tutorials bro. So much valuable knowledge

  • @zaiahwolfe
    @zaiahwolfe 5 років тому +11

    The way he says “now” lol

  • @VexinatorDesigns
    @VexinatorDesigns 7 років тому +18

    Does anyone know what the font is that says "Golden Circles" at 4:00? Thanks.