Would Xbox's Strategy Give Sony A Console Monopoly?
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Sony is already in the wheelhouse of charging a large premium for what they offer. If there is NO xbox to compete with, they will absolutely continue their current trend of giving the minimum and making the maximum.
and nobody will buy anything from them. Times are changing.
When Microsoft bought Bethesda and Activision people were worried they would have a monopoly, now people think Sony will have a monopoly. I’m starting to think people don’t get what a monopoly is.
A completely disingenuous argument. People thought they were going to have a monopoly by winning, obviously. No one was predicting Xbox would fold a year later on exclusivity.
@@MN-jw7mm I didn’t say that either I’m pointing out how people use the word monopoly very loosely. Winning also wouldn’t be a monopoly
Well MS really is the largest publisher by huge margins right now, and if they were as successful in the hardware game then they can absolutely corner the market
I actually think MS want Xbox to be more like Valve. Or rather, directly compete with them. Be a software company/service provider that does some niche hardware that works great with their software but isnt the only option. Phil already said publicly that they could not compete with Sony.
The resulting chaos is due to giant shift within the company. They are moving pieces around before they execute their plan for the future.
Valves Index VR headset is great for SteamVR, but you can still buy a Vive or Oculus to use SteamVR. They have the Steam Deck, great for Steam but you can still buy an ROG Ally, Aya Neo or any other PC handheld and run Steam. Xbox are likely going to go for a similar approach to hardware and software infrastructure.
I think Xbox are going to launch a PC based Handheld with their own software installed that works seemlessly with GamePass. I think that software will also be the basis for a new PC desktop pc storefront/launcher. They will ride out the Series X until the NextBox release wich will ship with that same software.
Both the new handheld and the NextBox will be ARM-based architecture. The reason I say that is because not only is it already rumored but it would line up with my theory of having the software between Nextbox and handheld all seamless.
Xcloud will also fall in line with all of the software changes.
Also a shift in branding to mirror Valve is a possibility. Something like:
Valve = Microsoft Gaming
Steam = Xbox
Valve Steam {Deck} = Microsoft Xbox {handheld}/{Series X}/{Nextbox}
This would also explain why Phil got bumped up to Head of Microsoft Gaming and Sarah is now Head of Xbox. There is serious shifting going on in order to get things setup for their new strategy.
It called 3rd parties
@@typethings4624 There are not many 3rd parties that do Hardware, Software, Cloud, Subscription Services, Digital Storefront, AND produce their own IPs. All at once. Wait are there any??
Besides the point anyway I am not saying whether they will go 3rd party I am just saying their business model will align more with Valve and thus become their primary competitor as they will be fighting in the same ring, so to speak.
Finally a thinking man in the comments
I feel like Microsoft is getting ready to phase out the Xbox brand, since it's pretty much worthless now, and it's just a terrible name anyway, from a marketing perspective. Third party game publishing will be done through Microsoft Gaming. The next gen hardware is in the hands of the Surface team, so it's not on Xbox. It seems to me like Microsoft has been taking responsibilities away from Xbox. And if you watch Sarah Bond's interview with Bloomberg, it's obvious that her being the Head of Xbox is merely for optics. She doesn't know anything about gaming. She doesn't know what she's doing. She's not making any of the decisions. She's just there to fill a role until Xbox gets phased out and she's moved to another area of the company, hopefully an area more comfortable for her.
@@G360LIVE I don't think that is the case. I also think Sarah Bond is no different from Phil Spencer. Phil plays the "im the gamer guy" spiel but he really is not. I mean on his xbox account he basically plays Vampire Survivors and a bit of Diablo and he has a really low gamerscore.
Sarah was hand picked and vetted by Phil and they are basically the same. The reason she sounded so clueless in the interview is because I think management are not on the same page as eachother. There has been so much shifting around and changes that no one can keep up. There is so much they aren't allowed to say just yet because they are still figuring things out.
I am not making excuses for them though, If they say stupid things or come across like they don't know what is left or right then thats on them. I just think Sarah came across really bad but in reality I don't think anyone at MS could have done any better considering the situation that I believe is goin on behind the scenes.
I’d like an Xbox/PC hybrid box that could boot to either an Xbox OS or Steam OS…with compatibility of PCVR. I’d even like it to have processor and graphics upgrade ‘slots’ like they do for the SSD although I know that’s a pipe dream. Plug in, super easy and convenient. I used to build pcs for gaming but now that I’m older…I just like the convenience of a console. I’ll be willing to bet there are others in the same boat.
Nintendo is stronger now than ever.
A monopoly of movies
The only generation that xbox really was a threat or competition to Sony was the 360 generation. Xbox was actually the best place to play during the 2005 to 2013 time frame. Since then they have really not been competition at all.
I'm a PC gamer but even I know consoles aren't going anywhere.
What do you mean by that?
@@shrekrealista5045there will always be a demand for console gaming regardless of how many advantages PC gaming has because of the convenience factor alone.
@@see.eye.2361 but why PC players keep saying consoles are dead or dying
@shrekrealista5045 I think he means consoles are here to stay.
@@see.eye.2361 And price. Price is why PC gaming isn't as popular as it would otherwise be.
Is Toyota competing with Ferrari? Technically, I mean they both make cars but no one can really argue that they competing against each other because they are going after different customers. The same with Nintendo and Sony.
When it comes to the push to expand and increase margins, you can absolutely take the bet that Sony is definitely aiming at Nintendo's market.
The price separates those 2 but Nintendo and Sony are closer in line
Except both Sony and Nintendo consoles and games are similarly priced. Your comparison could work if Sony started selling theirs for 60x Nintendo’s prices but that’s not the case.
Nintendo and Sony are sharing a market but not competing head to head. When Nintendo had the Wii, Sony tried to compete directly with their own motion controller. So that didn’t work out for Sony. Nintendo doesn’t try to compete directly with Sony. And I think Sony learned not to go into Nintendo’s turf
ps5 is no ferrari. nintendo and playstation is not that massive of a gap
Nintendo competes just a tiny bit more than mobile phones...I doubt many people are trying to decide between an Playstation and a Nintendo Switch. Either they are Switch only, or the Switch is their secondary console.
if they really want to increase market share getting some sort of windows version on an xbox at a price and performance that out does the next gen low end pc costs i'd buy in to that market. Its very hard to justify a console if you already have a capable pc. Consoles have to do more for me to want to buy one.
Exactly. I already have a capable PC. So what does a console have to do to get me to buy in?
Well, for starters, priced affordably. But it has to have games that I want to play, but more importantly can't play on my PC.
That second point eliminates Xbox immediately, as I can play all their games day 1, on PC, for my 1$ gamepass subscription I have had and will continue to have till my gold subscription that they rolled into gamepass runs out lol
That leaves Sony and Nintendo. Sony is releasing games on PC, but not day 1, and in most cases LONG after launch. So if Sony wants me to buy their console, I need them to release games on it that I don't want to wait 6 months- 2 years to play when it comes out on PC....which they do, more so on PS4 gen but regardless it's still their platform. So I buy PS.
Nintendos games are pretty much only on Nintendo, so I buy Nintendo. Admittedly I don't play many Nintendo games anymore, kind of grown out of those styles of games, but they still release some good stuff and my kid loves the switch.
Here's the end problem. I have reasons to buy Nintendo and Sony consoles even though I have a great PC already. I have no reason to buy an Xbox, at all. I would buy it, but I have no reason to do so.
I don't even have to buy Xbox games. The vast majority of people don't either because they have the much cheaper option in gamepass. Some of them, like me, have years of it stacked and paid a single dollar lol...are we all seeing the issue here? All of us, have no reason to buy Xbox consoles, nor their games....how the f do you make any money in this business like that? Especially after adding on 70 billion dollars of debt on top of this mess your in.
This was all forseeable years ago. They just kept digging that hole deeper and deeper that nothing can get them out anymore. They are f'd
You just know this "biggest technological leap ever" is going to end up being something stupid like Bing co-pilot editing your screen caps.
Like everything Xbox does, whatever it is will end up being underwhelming, and implemented badly.
As a long time loyal fan, I have no hope for the future of xbox
Will the new switch work with now it's a steam deck world? I think it will but won't reach the older teens and adults now.
We need someone new in this space.
No, because Nintendo exists and as far as I know they have a pretty substantial market share.
Maybe but they don't target the same audience as ps and xbox so yes, it would still be a ps monopoly. Moreover, Nintendo always launches with last gen specs so no incentive for Sony to come up with powerful, competitive hardware.
@coldburrito5818 by that logic Nintendo would catch up to sony within 2 gens as far as power
@@Luke973T you said it, it's nintendo they don't care that much about power and more about an experience.
@@baddas380 so you think that 2 gens of Nintendo will be the same power as the switch? The concern here is that sony won't push hardware if xbox drops out. They won't do that because they will fall behind plain and simple
What I don't understand is if the next box is allowed to play steam games.. who is going to optimize those games to be able to be played on this new xbox.. and won't it deeply cut into their Xbox marketplace or game pass 😮
What you short sighted console sales watchers don't understand that with the purchase of activision blizzard they have a in house team that can deliver the games that are on steam on the new Xbox.
Also they are getting more revenue the more games they sell based on activision blizzard with call of duty and the likes.
Yeah, I don’t see how that would work because Xbox has their own storefront . It’s already on life-support. Now you’re gonna put steam on the next Xbox and then everyone would just buy everything off Steam . I guess it’s possible, I mean, we have seen Microsoft show willingness to cannibalize their own sales for short term earning .
@@MrShika07 ever since the purchase of rare to Bethesda to activision.. they haven't really been churning out many games... And even if they do... I'm not sure if that would even be 25% of the game offered... That would mean only 25% of games on Steam would be readily playable on the new xbox?
@pmac206 u don't see how money works.
When you buy it on steam *for Xbox it will still count as a sale on Xbox if you buy it on the Xbox console. The store page u buy it from means nothing to Microsoft when then own the publisher of the pc port of games
@@MrShika07Are you stupid or something . They would make 70% off ONLY the games they own. They would lose out on everything else like 3rd party sales , micro transactions, etc , it would cost them a hell of a lot more money than it would make them. You know because right they get a cut of EVERYTHING sold on Xbox through the Microsoft store or whatever they call it .
Only until Switch 2.
Different market
@@themoviefan9990 We don't know that for sure. The Switch 2 could prove to have specs that are enough to mostly keep up with games and then Nintendo could release a "New" Switch 2 (i.e. 3DS to New 3DS) as a mid gen refresh. Nintendo takes a while before they make moves like how it took them a while to get Nintendo Online with a paid subscription like PlayStation and Xbox. So Nintendo might see some value in doing a mid gen refresh with their main consoles. They sort of seemed like they were thinking about that when they did the Switch OLED.
There is the rumor that Microsoft wants to buy Valve but more than likely just so they can own Steam. It would be the only safe but expensive investment considering that Steam is the #1 digital storefront for PC gamers. However I do hate how Microsoft/Xbox has been trying to buy studio after studio (investment after investment) with nothing to show for it. Even when they do have something good like Hi-Fi Rush, it’s not good enough for them which then causes the layoffs and shutdowns.
We have to stop thinking like gamers and more like business men to understand what they are after.
It will require research to understand their game plan.
I really would like to talk more in depth about it, but I would just be pulling things out of my rear at this current moment.
So best thing to do is to figure out what Phil Spencer wants to accomplish.
None of these companies really have customers best interests in mind. Profits, that's all that drives the higher ups. That and gaining a monopoly of the market or at least a duopoly.
I'm predicting a box with interchangeable parts, very closely resembling a pc
For a console environment that is supposedly "dead" it sure gets talked about every other day like its more than alive.
That's the result of billions of dollars spent on marketing over the years.
@@Hashama The point is its far from dead.. Its a narrative made up in everybodys mind. How is it the dead console has a June 9th showcase and the living console is MIA? No AAA games till 2025. Whos really dead or dying here?
@@sugarbaitxbox, xbox is dying. Because xbox said so. No one hardly buys them, and there isnt a reason to.
@@sugarbait I think you have a point but when people say it is dying its not the literal death of the platform everyone knows MS can keep funding this machine to eternity. I think most people mean figuratively.
It’s really only Xbox that has these problems. Don’t get me wrong there’s some adjustments going in with over spending and there’s issues in the current AAA landscape the gaming industry is alive and well . We’re nowhere near a crash like in the 80’s
It's not like if Xbox were giving Sony a decent fight anyway
They almost did with the Xbox 360, but the Red Ring of Death really tripped them up. Peter Moore should've delayed the launch of the 360 into early 2006, when he saw the unusual amount of failures when manufacturing was starting up. They would've had time to find the problem and fix it before launch. The launch games would've had a few more months to cook (Perfect Dark Zero could've used some extra development time). And Microsoft wouldn't have lost a lot of the goodwill that they were gaining with the 360 early on, before the RROD really started becoming an issue.
I mean their last quarter was awful but it's still 1:2 in terms of sales of this gen overall. I feel like losing this would make a big difference
@@G360LIVE the 360 was fine. Even with the RROD, the PS3 start was so awful with the price and the inferior versions.
No the real problem always has been the original launch of the Xbox One. They became complacent the same way Sony did the PS2-PS3 transition.
Whole the RROD was annoying, the Xbox 360 just had an insane library.
Which is why they're trying to buy the industry up.
If you can't beat them, buy and control them.
Sony should really name their next console the Playstation 5.5
Sure. I think we will be seeing pcs gain more and more of a console like market.
The steam deck for example is the most console like computer I’ve used in a long while.
So sure, PlayStation might gain more prominence. But I’ll be prominence over a shrinking market, with growth in pc
I think want the question meant was “It’s a lot more likely that is someone owns a PS5 and have a 2nd new console. It probably is a Switch over a Series X” Especially this generation of kids. Tons of parents probably got the kid a switch in 2017/18/19, then the kid grew a bit and wanted different games so they got a PS5 3-4 years Lester then when they got the switch.
Sony would have less a monopoly on console gaming than Steam currently has on PC gaming. And a monopoly on what? Nintendo exists. PC gaming exists. Mobile gaming exists. Saying "console" is a wierd arbitrary distinction of gaming.
I'd consider it a duopoly with Sony and Nintendo. Yes you should separate console from PC and mobile. Would you consider a tablet to be the same market as a phone? Would you consider a laptop to the same market as a tablet? The people who play games on their console are not the exact same people who play games on their phones. They are different markets. A large portion of console players do not want to play games on a PC.
Steam’s monopoly of PC isn’t necessarily bad because it isn’t fed with all the corporate greed. Steam/Valve is an independent. They are more consumer friendly.
@@dawsonpoe yeah until they're not. They have no competition. Absolute power always eventually leads to greed.
@@dawsonpoe Valve gave us lootboxes and battle passes. Their games still have rampant underage gambling black markets. They're about as far as it gets from being saints.
Nintendo doesn't really compete with the potato performance lmao
I don't think enough people are talking about how the slowing down of performance advancements effects console vs. PC gaming. Ghost of Tsushima on PC was the first time it seemed to be a toss up with the PS5 Pro, with even faster loading on PlayStation. Will people be willing to spend $1,500 on a PC to barely be better than a $500 console in 5/10 years? I don't think so but time will tell.
A 4090 is 6 times more powerful than a PS5. Games like GTA 6 will run at 4k 30fps or 1080p 60fps on the PS5 with medium settings. On a 4090 or 5090 GTA 6 will run at 4k 120+fps at ultra settings with ray tracing or path tracing enabled
@tylerclayton6081 If Rockstar is pushing graphical fidelity hard with GTA 6, There is no way a 4090 is hitting 4k 120fps WITH PATH TRACING LMAO
@@tylerclayton6081 you are a genious,comparing a 500$ console to a 2.000$ GPU :D
@@Resstario Consoles would get 1fps with path tracing bro
No both Sony and Microsoft are in decline now, since they only focuses on "ultra-realistic" graphics which takes +19 years to developing one game. If Nintendo's next console still is a hybrid and is on PS4 level, or past it, so Nintendo will dominate the market then. It will get tons of exclusives, since PS4 power level is actually much more than enough. Plus that it will get many X1/PS4 and downgraded PS5 ports which weren't possible on Switch, it will be insane...
If the rumored Xbox OS is real, and MS gives the OS to manufactures to make their own Xbox Like MSI, Lenovo, Asus etc. Then the game will change.
That would truly be amazing. We would have multiple portable Xboxes basically.
@@paulerxx Yes exactly!
So they're basically copying Valve with the Steam Machine.
Let's make everything a Xbox. The console that sells the least and has the most SKUs.
@@jayclarke777 You do understand Xbox doesnt need console sales to make money right? Gamepass with Xbox Game Streaming. No console needed.
Games sell consoles xbox games suck thats why nobody buys their console.
Phil Spencer doesn't seem to get it. Make awesome exclusive games and people will buy them.
SO ALL GAMES will come to PC and Playstation except for Nintendo? I wonder if Playstation would keep the price/performance value consoles have or if they would make consoles more expwnsive
Saying Nintendo "doesn't compete" is pure cope. The truth is they've been leading the console market since last generation, and being in denial over that won't do Sony any favors. That'd be the same kind of myopia that drove Xbox into the ground.
Nintendo is it’s own thing with its exclusives. You can’t play most of the bigger games on a Nintendo platform like GTA6, RDR2, God of War, Baldurs Gate 3, Elden Ring etc. That’s why many don’t consider Nintendo to compete with Sony and Microsoft.
@@MsUltraBob You ever stop to think how silly this is? That people are always complaining how Xbox and PlayStation are basically the same spec and library wise, but Switch doesn't count because it's so different?
It'd be like saying the PS1 and N64 weren't competing products because their hardware and games were so different.
Microsoft Xbox series XL. I wouldn’t be surprised if they have a boutique console for $1000, which oddly enough looks exactly like a PC.
Than I would just buy a PC lol
@@d8l835maybe, but there is a substantial amount of people who would like a PC level of power but don’t want to deal with the learning curve that PC requires. They just want to put the game in and have it work. Heck, I bought a steam deck for this very reason. I have 4 kids, two jobs, I like games but I don’t necessarily like computers or enjoy fine tuning them or spending hours online troubleshooting performance problems or figuring out why my game keeps crashing.
A "handheld-like" machine, which isn't necessarily portable, is better than a console because it merges the freedom, retrocompatibility and number of games of PC with the simplicity of a console, Microsoft also owns the main PC OS, they can do better than SteamOS on the user experience with that (no need to fiddle with Linux compatibility) so I don't see why people are panicking, the next Xbox if the rumors are true could literally run whatever Playstation game Sony puts on PC, if anything Sony is the one in danger if it wasn't for its brand lol.
Yep a Gameboy was “handheld” not any of the new steamdeck stuff
When will df discuss topics pertinent to the game community. Topics like Microsoft’s recent update that enables them to track every aspect of the users interaction with its devices. Could it mean lucrative contracts may dry up if df actually decides to talk on such matters?
Regardless of the future outcome, Any monopoly in the industry is bad. I don't belive this will happen, but if sony finds itself without real competition, I worry about what type of product they may create.
Nintendo doesn’t compete with Sony because their underpowered hardware cannot support the same current gen games that Sony’s can. The next Nintendo console will be exactly the same: a three year old underpowered chip that cannot support current gen releases.
MS strategy appears to be, have Sony offset the costs of Game Pass.
Wow Xbox gonna be the most technologically leap everr ooouuu we haven’t heard that before lmao
In the scenario of a console monopoly I think most people would just move to PC as all comparisons would be between that 1 console and PC and the console would just end up looking like a low end and locked down PC and the mind set in this scenario would shift to most people saying "why would anyone want to play on console it's just a PC but worse in every way"
no they wouldnt. pcs are too expensive and annoying. its for elitists
@@StillWeRide There would be other factors too such as many studios leaving console as it would make no sense to put in extra time and money to make a console port for a single console and no PCs are not expensive as a console costs just as much once you factor in the paid online you are looking at over $1000 over time for a console if you get it at launch that same $1000 could be better used by just getting a PC that would outperform the console anyways also the PC user base already vastly out numbers all 3 console user bases combined a single console market just makes no sense and I think it wouldn't last long before the final console got dropped as well
You assume everyone likes to play on PC, right? And by everyone I mean EVERYONE even the people who just want to get home after a busy day of work and play some games on the couch.
@@shrekrealista5045 Sigh... not this crap again. I don't know how many times it needs to be said and how many people have to say it but you can plug a PC into a TV and use a controller to play games on PC while you sit on the couch
@@AzaiaMonota You know that not everyone lives in small houses/apartments, right? fucking elitist PC
For me it seems like both Sony and Microsoft are currently going the route of third party developers that also have a console on the side with the console no longer being the main focus, as for them it is just a loss-leader anyway to get people to buy their games. If they can get their sales on something else than their own console, they will drop it pretty quickly.
Nintendo will basically have a console monopoly at that point, as nobody else even cares about making consoles. Meanwhile Nintendo makes money on both their console and games, so for them, it will be worth it to stay in that business as long as possible. But you can also already see Nintendos new goal, taking over all of entertainment.
See the sad thing is Xbox was genujnely a fantastic brand in the early 2000s. I missed out on original xbox in favour of ps2 (played alot of wrestling at the time) but I jumped in on ps3/360 generation and personally for me 360 was THE winning console that was a MUST in every household. When we had 360, it felt like Xbox was a juggernaut. Then the one came out and I had it for a while...I didnt have any complaints for a while, I played Ryse son of rome, dead rising 3, and a metric f**k ton of master chief collection. Even the newer call of duties at the time felt pretty great to me. Then I swapped to ps4, and now I'm on ps5. Sony, bloated as they are, still feel like they'll continue to stay winning. I'm not saying the playstation 5 has felt like the most amazing console I've ever played, but I'm certainly not even remotely tempted to the series x or s. Shame to hear that they're actively killing their console in favour of game pass too. You feel more connected with the fan base when you have games exclusively released for a console on a tv. Thats what made it special. Every time you turned on that 360, you were tuning into the world and it felt like you were in the party.
No way. Xbox just bought so many studios, and is likely preparing HARD for the next launch and the next set of exclusives. Sure there might be doing something different this time with portability and game pass, but there's no ways Sony will have more of a 'monopoly' for next gen than this current gen
I was about to comment EXACTLY what John says at the start.
But we all know that Nintendo doesn't count when they're winning.
Absolutely and the irony of it all is appalling.
Xbox and sony knocked Nintendo out of the console buisness.
Microsoft should focus on gaming pcs and laptops branded with Xbox so they're no longer constrained
Someone else will make a thing too soon
Did you boys at DF just realize that?
Every single generation has been "won" by the console with the best and widest library of games... (wii is a strange anomaly because depending on the metric used it either came first or last)
It would be a shame if Xbox stopped making consoles. It's a really well built piece of hardware. The problem is most devs don't bother taking advantage of it's full capabilities
Including their own.
Nintendo is not a competitor in the same sense. ALL hobbies compete for your time, but you only need to look at how nany gamers have a Switch as their second console. You don't see many running both xbox and Playstation.
Remembers guys its ok for Valve to have a monopoly even though they are worst gaming company,
People hated EA's NBA Live and mocked EA for continuing to make the game, but when EA Stop and 2K became the only ones making the game, NBA 2K gradually declined and the game became a microtransaction hotbed, like EA's Madden and FIFA. Monopoly will bring the worst and greediness, as they knew the customer had no other choice.
If Sony becomes the only console available, Sony will bring their greediness and nothing you can do.
SEGA…SEGA…..SEGA!!
Sony fanboys looking for this scenario would end up playing 800 USD per console. So careful with what you wish.
Japanese companies are ruthless when in a dominant position. For better or worse MS made Sony eat some humble pie on the 7th generation and that benefited gamers during both the 7th and 8th.
Cry harder xbot 😂😂😂
And no one would buy it because they're happy with their PS4 and PS5 still. Then something new comes out that fills the same need and PS is now as obsolete as XBox. Gaming is cutthroat as you say and the idea that people wouldn't jump ship for a cheaper option that gave better quality at that point is silly. If they didn't, it probably means that the product is still punching well above it's price point and people are content to buy it over a PC, Switch 2, or other gaming device.
no we need xbox, it reminds us how good we have it with sony. anyway nintendo and pc are far more competition that xbox lelelelel
No, no they wouldn't. They are incredibly aware of what happens when you price a console at 600 or more.
And even if they did, nobody buys it, companies course correct, or someone enters the market with a more valuable product...
You don't have enough paint to finish your doomsday scenario man
Durr hurr "Japanese companies mean". Yeah, I totally want a corporation that's larger, more ruthless, and more trangressive against consumers than Sony to compete in the console market space.
If MS drops out of the console space, another corporation will swoop in to compete against Sony. Probably Samsung, LG, Toshiba (if they play their cards right), or Apple if they can stop huffing their own farts. But I doubt that will even be needed because Nintendo is probably gearing up for this reality.
Nope sony are moving there games to pc
lol 656 5
Microsoft still has a monopoly, it doesn't matter the platform you play in, microsoft will still make profit by owning every major franchise but now everything goes firstly through them
Maybe,maybe not. It's not like they sre completely getting out of thr console business. More like they are stepping back to attempt to get a greater foothold on the industry as a whole. One thing that should be obvious to everyone. Microsoft in its current form can buy a bunch of companies. But, they have issues with managing those said companies.
Phil Spencer says a lot of things. Does he really speak for the industry?
Satya Nadella, CEO of Microsoft, does not have a great appreciation for exclusive games is nothing new. The head of the company has publicly stated that if it were up to him, he would get rid of exclusives on consoles. According to Windows Central, Satya Nadella has stated that there are no red lines, so any game can be ported.
"Any game can be ported" is like saying any shaped peg can fit in a star-shaped hole if you shove it hard enough. Just because something _can_ happen, doesn't mean it's reasonable.
@SilverDreamweaver Satya nadella is the ceo of Microsoft and investors like that more xbox games will make the xbox division more profitable
You can only get gamepass on Xbox. That's the experience they're selling.
There's playstation vs xbox.
Nintendo is 'other'
No doubt about it.
People just ignoring Nintendo because they undermine their arguments.
Classic.
"Sony would be alone" "no, Nintendo's sales have been one of the best of all time" "that doesn't count".
"We lost the previous generation so now nobody want to invest in a new library" "well the Switch released half a generation after both PS4 and Xbox One and people still bought the console to start a new library there" "that doesn't count".
"Making great games don't sell consoles" "Well Nintendo released 3-4 all-time bests on the Switch which sells a lot" "that doesn't count'"
Nintendo sucks ass. wake up
@@rangokfunkazuul8344 Because Phil said that no one wants to buy a system based on games. So they have treated it as the biblical word of god.
Phil saying it makes sense. Guy has to explain why the company he is in charge of is behind other competitors . But everyone not working for him repeating it is questionable.
Hopefully.
Lol these chumps are still pushing the "console wars" that was waaaayy back the 360 era 😅😅😅
Short answer: Yes.. and its not just in the gaming/console space either.
Sony’s gonna replace windows?😂
@@tylerclayton6081 no, why would they do that?
A lazy azz buddy of mine wouldn't play a game until he's on his TV with wireless controller in hand. That's the market for consoles.
Long answer - hardly. Short answer NO.
No cause Nintendo is still around. If the rumors surrounding the Switch 2 are true it could be a better competitor to The PS5 then Xbox
If Nintendo release a couple games and is consistent they practically stomps both as they’ll have the games
No, if Xboxes end up becoming Steam Machine like PCs, then Sony is now competing with PC (and Nintendo, they absolutely are competitors even indirectly)
Sony might be launching their own PC storefront soon, in which case they wouldn't be competing with PC. Also, Helldivers 2 was launched on PS5 and PC simultaneously, and the game has sold more copies on PC.
I think everyone forgets that PC is basically the premium XBox that Playstation doesn't have. I know soooo many people that have moved to PC or Gaming laptops over an Xbox. All the same day one release games, all the Gamepass benefits are there, aaaaand you get all the Playstation games that come to PC. I had just built a PC when the new consoles released. In what world would it have made sense for me to buy an Xbox? But... If I wanna play GoW on day one?... I need that Playstation. Xbox's are cool for simplicity, but PC's are just better. Meanwhile, Playstaion has their exclusives that keep people coming back... and they can only be played on PS5... at first, at least. That's why they sell so many more, imo.
Guy saying Nintendo competes in same space is Sony Is very WRONG the Switch/SWITCH2 is 90% A Handheld that can be docked and plugged in to a TV, the only way 1 gets a sale and other does not is if Someone is just a100% traditional Console Player and does not want a Handheld OR Someone does not want a Console they just want a on the go handheld, they do not affect each others sales at all
Xbox is basically just COD’s publisher now. They should quit the console space and get CODpass on PS5 and switch 2.
Microsoft always had its head up its own arse when it comes to pc gaming. Until they fix that which probably means a rebranding of the Windows Store Xbox Pc is doomed. Top executives are pushing AI for Windows now. It's hard to stop fragmentation as it stands for Play Anywhere. You have Gamepass for console, for x86 and a new warfront for Windows on Arm. I can imagine a Windows based ARM handheld to help unify things but they need to bolster software / game sales to stay a float and probably change how Gamepass competes against itself. How do game devs sell their games? Obviously executives want ip sold everywhere. Exclusivity sucks for the bottom line when you don't have the numbers to back the expenses with real world game sales. So on one hand you could promote a new closed off xbox / handheld or you can sell it as an all in one Windows device thats open to all store fronts and force feed AI down our throats to gather data from us as Microsoft has always been about telemetry. Neither strategy bodes well for gaming on the current model. This sure is an exciting time. Something has to give or change and it would be amazing to see if they can succeed and make the gaming industry better for it as dire as it may seem.
No. I dont see them. When they dominate they get more creative and push out something quite insane. Look at ps3 it was extremely bespoke and if you took the time to learn it it was truly the better machine. There was no complacency.
Sony entered cause they saw that they could do better, offer better. And they have been doing that since day 1. They have never saw what their competition is doing and actually cared. The closest thing they came close to with that was motion controllers. And they put out a better product than what nintendo had as well as ms. Did it take off? No but the tech behind it was indeed better at the time.
Look at vr. Nobody is doing thzt for consoles, only sony. Is the psvr2 a complacent product? Hell no. For a good while it was one of the best hardware for vr. People actually wanted and still want it to be usable on pc.
Sony doesnt care what ms or nintendo does. What they do care about is what devs do. They have been consistently now going out to devs talking to them, getting feedback. Ps4 and ps5 were shaped by what the devs wanted. And what do we see from that? A very powerful system that devs makes games for and people buy said system to play those games. Thats what sets sony apart.
So it doesnt matter what ms does or what nintendo does. Sony doesnt fully care about that. They are concious of them, they are aware of them. But they continue to do their own thing. So no they wouldnt get complacent. Playstation has be ome a huge revenue/profit source for the company. They arent going to knee cap it cause ms is no longer a player.
I doubt it. Xbox hasn't been a real competitor to Sony in years.
Tears for Microsoft and the epic FAIL of their latest attempt at a blatant illegal monopoly!
It's crazy that this is even a topic. MS tried to destroy the console market because they couldn't compete. When that didn't work, they tried to destroy the software market to compete. Sony at one point controlled the entire console market. They innovated when nobody else wanted to. They pushed console gaming to a different level when they had the world in their hands. Smh... Sony is the reason why CDRom came to console then I think DVD. Sony is part of the reason we have BluRay and 2 analog sticks in a controller. Sony singlehandedly changed gaming back then. I hate when these weirdos say Sony will become a monopoly. They were at one point in a good way and they pushed console to a new era
😂🤣😆🤣😂🤣😆👍🏼 Microsoft is crushing Sony……Sony doing everything Xbox is doing….😂🤣😆 Handheld and PC day and date 😆
Microsoft has a leadership problem, everything they make is of poor quality and just copying the market. That’s why their laptops look like Mac books, and the series X is a Mac Pro 2013 design. 😂
And Sony has not been big competitor to Nintendo either….
Microsoft has said it Sony has said it the money is Mobile and PC . Even Nintendo as stubborn as they’re will go full Multiplatform by 2030. Simply because the demand for consoles has been shrinking every generation only reason it wasn’t so obvious last generation is because Nintendo and Microsoft basically gave all their users the green-light to buy a ps4 with their poor marketing.
Nintendo already made a bunch of mobile games bro
Sony will always have Nintendo. The fact people including Sony and MS downplay their presence in terms of console sales and marketshare when now there's actually a real chance of Switch either getting close enough to or possibly surpassing PS2 numbers is insane
They carved a niche sure, but that niche has given them a solid foot in both core and casual markets in terms of audiences and play preferences. Nintendo is definitely enough to impede any potential monopoly on the industry Sony could've acquired
a niche of shitty games and shovelware for the masses
@@StillWeRideYou say shovelware like hentai games aren't literally the top sellers on Steam every week lol
Let's not act like this is exclusive to one case. eShop has garbage but literally no one buys it over the actual games
Xbuax 😂 i hope if DF ever goes down please dont try to grapple on ps 😂
Nintendo is for kids, Sony and Xbox were more for like young adolescents and grown ups. Now u ask ppl what they got, most of the time is gonna be ps4 or ps5. Pc is for hardcore or really savvy ppl with tech knowledge.
Xbox only makes up about 8% of Microsoft’s revenue. I don’t think they care much about it. Most of their future projected growth will come from AI and their windows software
yeah xbox needs to go, pc switch 2 and ps5 pro!!!! goated
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Sony competes with Nintendo and PC.
Of all the dumb af Qs to answer. JFC. I wish DF would either stop with the click-bait, or just complete their pivot into becoming a tabloidesque console wars rag.
Well, I don't know. On the Nintendo console, can you play Fallout, Elder Scrolls, Elite Dangerous, Mass Effect, Dragon Age, Baldur's Gate, Divinity, Wasteland, Call of Duty, Elden Ring, Disco Elysium, Monkey Island, Grand Turismo, Forza, Spiderman, Pillars of Eternity, The Outer Worlds, Cyberpunk 2077, System Shock, Senua? I think (MY opinion) that most of the people who buy a Nintendo console are because of their exclusives (Mario, Zelda, etc.). I don't think that people are struggling to decide if they buy a Switch instead of a PS/Xbox (taking the budget factor out of the equation). PS and Xbox libraries have more overlapping between them than with the Nintendo console. I am an Xbox user but if the time comes I would never buy a Nintendo console because their library of games doesn't appeal to my tastes and I would be forced to pay whatever Sony asks for a PS and its games.
P.S.: Let's not talk about Mortal Kombat.
This. Unless Nintendo can run these major, AAA titles well, then gamers will be forced to purchase the PlayStation. Sony could easily mandate $100 MSRP and lootboxes in every game, and if gamers wanted to play those games, they wouldn't have a choice. Piracy would be the new standard.
@@SilverDreamweaver Or you know, buy a PC like an adult? 🤣🤣
Sony and MSFT are fighting over 2nd place lol
When xbox says they won’t be making exclusives - the messaging is clear. Consumers cannot expect console selling exclusive quality games from them. Then Why should we bother with xbox and games pass? Xbox can say whatever they want - gamers just want good games. And xbox does not promise that what they do committed to is their platform . Without great games Who cares?
Without having seen the video, my answer is no way because even if microsoft stops making Xboxes they are still the proud owners of 80% of the games industry now.
Xbox was not fighting Sony for a long time. Nintendos new console and valve will give Sony a lot more competition than Xbox
If xbox is going to be giving playstation games while receiving none from playstation in return that would be xbox basically killing themselfs in the console space for the sake of making playstation even better... would be the most idiotic move in the history of gaming if it happens
After the Ghost of Tsushima numbers on Steam, Sony will give serious thoughts to releasing their "exclusive masterpieces" day 1 on PC and there will be no need to buy a Playstation console anymore (just like Xbox One/Series consoles)
The difference is Sony wants you to buy a PS5 because they're still making 30% off of every game sold on the Playstation Store by comparison Xbox game store purchases are declining due to gamepass. So day 1 for games that are not multiplayer seems unlikely because if they succeed in making someone buy a Playstation then they're more likely going to buy other games there too.
@@gamingdevil800 Agreed. And don't forget arguably the most important aspect. Getting those customers into the Playstation ecosystem. PC players will play the games, but won't be generating any additional revenue for Sony. Day and date people have to understand that just buying the game on Steam and not participating in the ecosystem by not buying anything on PSN ensures that day and date for single player games at least for the time being, would not be smart.
@@gamingdevil800 PC gamers don't buy a ps5 regardless how much Sony wants them too. They don't wanna spend money on a console just to get a small handful of exclusives and have the thing collect dust in between releases. Especially if those games come to PC later offering better performance and visuals.
The opposite. It proves they can double dip years later with no hit to success. 4 years later and it dominated Steam charts. Sony can keep doing delayed releases, it won't matter because PC gamers wait.
Keep hoping for that port beggar
You can play most of the same games on PC. So, no, there would still be choice without Xbox.
Dudes how can eliminating the 3rd player make the 2nd monopoly? Nintendo is poised to steal the show in few months and had been 1st for the past 6 years or so….
Nintendo haven't really been competing for the same players in decades. If you want to play the latest Assassin's Creed, CoD, Battlefield, Far Cry, Cyberpunk or almost any other AAA release, you can't on a Switch.
@@faustianblur1798bingo, it amazes me how people still don't understand this...there's a reason Nintendo don't make "powerful consoles" and Sony don't do handhelds.
Nintendo is actually 3rd place in the market . Sony is the market leader and Xbox has been ahead of Nintendo since 2023 .
Nintendo has sold 3 times more Switches than Sony PlayStation 5. Compared to Series X it is way more than 5:1 in sales volume. It is not even worth discussing who is lead in consoles people. There is Nintendo, at 1/3 of the volume is Sony and at 1/5th of Nintendo sales is XBox. Of you only care about series X then things are very dire for XBox. If you are trying to say Nintendo games are not good well good luck they sell way more than the titles you list on consoles. If you include PC then yes some of these games are very popular but strictly consoles not so great….
@@NighthunterNyx switch came out in march 2017, PS5 came out in November 2020, during a pandemic...I mean come on 😂
'Nintendo doesn't really compete with it in that space?' That is an utterly preposterous supposition. Of course Nintendo competes with Microsoft and Sony in the home console space. They're all in the same market and compete for where consumers will next spend their hard-earned cash. It doesn't matter if Nintendo is a toy company. If they weren't competing, Sony would not have reacted with its haphazard Sony PlayStation Portal release and Microsoft would not be investigating a possible mobile Xbox platform. Most tellingly, Valve would not have come out with the Valve Deck portable game system. Nintendo has been siphoning off big bucks that Sony, Microsoft, and Valve should have otherwise raked in easily. I think the asker of this question has taken public-relations talk too much to heart. PR talk is just that, talk.
Huh?
It would be Xbox's own fault lol
Hi Everyone !
I see a lot of folks viewing Switch as a “secondary console” in comment sections, but considering Switch is close to becoming the bestselling console of all time coupled with record-setting exclusive software sales numbers, the data would dictate that it’s actually PlayStation and Xbox consoles that are being bought as “secondary” machines.
Just saying💯
Sony are already killing their own platform with pc releases so it makes no difference if xbox leaves the console market.
Sony will push themselves out of the console market while they're competing with the pc audience.
I'll be shocked if ps6 could sell 1/4 of the ps4 sales with their current strategy.