Sony is gonna end up doing exactly what Microsoft is doing right now if Microsoft fails the Xbox brand. They will push for absolute control and destroy everything it has stood for the moment it gains monopoly on the gaming business
Sony will still have Nintendo and PC to compete against not to mention streaming games becoming viable in future which will eliminate the need for consoles altogether
That's true, but I have a hard time chalking it up to just that. The big players in the industry are taking a dump on their consumer base, that seems to me to be a much bigger issue than just disposable income.
Been a gamer since 1979 and have owned every console from then to now, but what we are seeing in the gaming industry is unlike anything we have seen since the crash in the 80s, and it is not just Microsoft. Sony is also feeling it.
Like many of us has said it’s gonna crash again it’s been on the cards for ages……. Gpu prices still overpriced Games bringing nothing new Games prices gone up and quality gone down! It’s coming
Were barely got anything "Next Gen" in the last 3.5 years to justify the current consoles so for a lot of people to buy into another 5-600 dollar price tag for a mid gen refresh seems unrealistic. I don't think this mid gen refresh is going to see the kind of success the xb1x and ps4pro saw. A lot of consumers are making the jump to PC over the last few years which further compounds the console sales woes. Ultimately until we see a steady flow of high impact titles to win back consumer confidence, I see the console market remaining stagnant.
It's like the whole industry is waiting for GTA 6 for "next gen" to finally arrive. But for the most part the more powerful hardware has been spent on 4K target output & performance modes, even with upscaling tech. It's better, but nothing that makes you think "we haven't seen this before' And everything's getting so expensive of course people are cutting back on non essentials.
Yeah this is definitely it. I remember going from PS2 to Xbox 360 and being genuinely stunned. That just doesn't happen anymore and probably won't ever again. The less dramatic the leap the less enticing the console becomes. The console manufacturers want to keep the consoles relevant with mid gen refreshes (which also generates sales) but it's really in their interest to let the consoles become obsolete so that the new one's actually have something to offer. Look at everyone clamoring for a switch 2 because the first one isn't powerful enough now. Nintendo knows what they're doing.
I agree about the 'Next Gen' games scarcity but, in my case, boot/load times, performance (*), and responsiveness (*) have improved a lot with my Xbox SX vs. my Xbox One S. I don't care about 4K or HDR because I have a 1080p TV. (*): As opposed to stuttering and input lag.
i was going to get a basic pc anyway.... when the scalpers got all of the consoles and were charging $1200 i just got a pc with a 3070.(prebuilt because all of the gpu's were gone too) now i'm building another pc with a 7800x3d/7900xtx. i will be getting the pro when it releases because i don't have a ps5 yet.
@@caliginousmoira8565 PS5 throws most of their games on PC a year after launch anyways. Unless you're dying to play a PlayStation game day 1, there's no point in throwing another $600 at a plastic box when you already have a capable gaming PC. That money is better invested in your rig.
Alex is right; the demand on PC and the demand on console aren't really the same. We may have some crossover appeal but for the most part we're after different things.
But they have the same components. And with third parties releasing games on PC, and Microsoft releasing games on PC, and Sony now starting to release games on PC, even though console gamers and PC gamers are after different things, we all can find it on the same hardware. All that's missing is Nintendo games.
The most amusing thing about this is Xbox saying they want a 'steam like' service..... Not a CHANCE they'll ever compete as they're a publicly traded corporate entity, meaning they have shareholders there to ruin everything... Steam don't have that problem 😅
Man shareholders are the worst. We should have laws here that make investing a more “take it or leave it” approach. The fact that people with no industry experience can dictate where the industry goes is crazy. Imagine owning a bakery but you don’t know how to bake and then telling the head baker to change the recipes.
AMD is doing fine with Client (Ryzen) and Data Center (EPYC / Instinct). Last quarter even Nvidia reported no growth in their gaming business. It's all about AI Servers and AI compute now.
That's all well and good, but if you don't buy the damn console or it's games, then I don't want to hear that shit. Only people who own the console and it's games need to be making that remark.
I got a PS2 too, but I can't agree on that. Everything is just too old for me, I wish PS5 had backwards compatibility like Xbox, cause I'd love to play those games with decent resolution on my TV. Or maybe I just need to buy an old TV, cause I remember this console looking great on them...
@@559925 I depends on everyone for sure. For me retro gaming has a place, but I prefer modern games and remakes or remasters. Playeing Yakuza Kiwami, FC24, Tales of Vesperia, and for retro Pokemon Crystal and Metroid Zero Mission. I never buy full price or new games anymore. Not worth it to me.
Agreed. I like modern games still, but the best thing I ever did was set up a retro gaming area. So much fun to reminisce about a better time in the world. 90s and early 00s really might've been the peak.
This isn't a game industry issue, this is an economic issue. Every industry is seeing reduction in sales because inflation is leaving ppl in a famine mentality.
It's the perfect storm of circumstance: - pandemic-induced supply issues compounded by scaplers at the launch of new consoles, delaying the time people get their hands on them - lacklusture, often buggy games, and not enough of them. - lack of disposable income, meaning people hold on to older hardware and games - consoles now 3.5 years old meaning they're not exactly cutting-edge, yet prices haven't meaningfully dropped - cross-gen continuing even now, meaning less incentive to move over. We almost need a major crash and either a new player to enter the scene with something fun and different or for xbox/playstation to meaningfully differentiate and innovate
I've always thought that PlayStation and Xbox have been trying to push consoles very far, too soon. And they end up selling the consoles themselves at a loss. Game development ends up being way more expensive while taking too long. PS4 Pro and Xbox One X tried to push 4k too early. And current consoles still struggle on that
Rich is spot on that people are still playing old games. They haven’t seen a compelling reason to upgrade at all. This generation of consoles is the 20 series for NVIDIA. There was no reason to leave Pascal
@@ilbroducciore i heard about switch 2 being confirmed and was like "cool let me know in 5 years when another zelda is out, until then a nice new steam deck sounds way more appealing"
Yep, there's nothing really appealing about the current consoles, be it hardware itself or the lackluster games that are being released on them. As such and with the last gen consoles still being catered for and with a lot of those gamers still playing on less demanding but well established games (especially the big hitting online games like Fortnite, Destiny 2 ect), then there's simply not enough incentive for those console gamers to even bother upgrading to a current gen console. Even on PC a simular situation applies, where fewer and fewer gamers are bothering to upgrade. This is due either to being held back by having a limited budget and the current sky high prices of GPU's or again them simply feeling theres absolutely no need to. Since likewise they too are also mostly playing on the same or simular less demanding titles, where an older GPU/CPU is more than sufficient. And in that situation I can completely understand thier stance. If your older system/hardware is still good enough for the games that you mostly play on and it's still being supported, then why would you even bother in upgrading it? It also, doesn't help with us being in the middle of a worldwide economic downturn. Where affording basic items like food and paying off the bills matters far more, than buying an expensive luxury item like a new console, a new video card or even another poorly made generic or re-hashed AAA game for $70. I guarantee unless things drastically change and change pretty quickly in the videi game industry, then there's going to be another major gaming crash, happening very soon. The writing about it's arrival has been on the wall for quite a while, now.
I feel like there’s a decent resurgence in retro gaming as well, a lot of people I know have went back to collections physical copies and consoles from older generation. PS1/PS2, PS3, 360, Super Nintendo, etc. I feel like a lot of people are burnt out on modern gaming
I've been playing on the PS4 Pro because I anticipated the PS5 Pro, and I was right. PS5 Pro is a day one buy for me, and I have a large list of PS5 only games I'll be picking up at a nice discount. Probably Helldivers 2 and Stellar Blade to start.
Consoles are going through a very tough phase I think. It’s still got a lot of players but I feel like consoles peaked in their traditional format, and it may be a bumpy ride to figure out what the future of consoles/gaming looks like. It is interesting that a lot of the major franchises are typically getting quite old now. Some still have big appeal, Zelda does well, Grand Theft Auto is obvious, but some things like Halo seem to have lost big traction. I’m approaching 40 and remember when most of the big franchises came out, but do younger gamers care about them? I keep up to date with the news but I don’t actually play that many games at all these days. Games are probably getting too complicated and too costly, and when they only end up releasing one or two big franchise titles over many years there’s a real lack of hype.
F2P and Live Service changed the landscape and users simply aren't needing to move to new hardware very often. Like as it stands over 60% of played time in gaming is on titles that are 6+ years old like Faortnite, GTA Online, Roblox, LoL etc. and only 8% of time played is on new games. Next year we will likely see consoles sales do much better then this year due to GTA6 but that really feels like the first game your average consumer has needed to upgrade for.
@@thefilmdirector1 Between that and streaming yes. I hate to admit it because I can't stand streaming, but in another 5 to 10 years it'll be so good most average people won't be able to tell what's playing native vs streaming.
99% of the game industry is just trying to get paid fair value for their labor and creativity. Programmers even take a big pay cut to work on games because it's supposedly "more fun" than databases and web apps. These large companies operate at a scale of income and losses that you can't even fathom. It's not greedy for them to try to make a billion dollars one year, when some years they lose a billion dollars. As long as there's competition, the market will dictate what is fair. Greed has nothing to do with it.
What’s funny is we need more games like hifi rush and wi like titles that constrict themselves to imaginative design and descent budgets that people appreciate and afford without the over done grind.
I'm still playing a PS4 because there aren't enough exclusive games at the PS5 price tag (Americans forget the price INCREASED everywhere else). And it looks like any major price cut just isn't happening because they can't make the consoles cheaper, or so DF has implied. At this point, I'm hoping they cut the price to what it originally launched at. There are so many last-gen games that are heavily discounted now and still some current-gen titles that play acceptably well on last-gen. I think Sony and MS are in for a rude awakening when Nintendo launches their new hardware. At this point, I'll probably just pick up a Switch 2 instead.
Um, the entire Planet's economy is in a freefall... As much as I love gaming, the issue, is that people have no disposable income... I don't think these guys ever leave their houses to see how bad it actually is out there for average people now...
The spare disposable income is definitely tighter now than I ever remember it being. There just doesn't seem to be enough money to spend on video games and consoles anymore. Everything is rent/mortgages and other cost if living expenses.
The problem is, game prices have skyrocketed. It used to be 50 to 60 euro here for a very long time. Now we're paying 80 to 100 euro. And game quality has taken a nose dive as well. So many titles ship unfinished on day 1, and needs at least 6 to 8 months of extra work.
Movie revenue is down. Gaming revenue is down, retail revenue is down. Sales of new vehicles are down. Sales of motorcycles and recreational vehicles are down. I know each of these companies are scrambling to make up sales and projections, but the fact is the economy, nut just US but also the rest of the civilized world. It's the same in the UK, all of Europe, and Australia. I know these things. I do not know about Japan, other than NTDOY is down as well...its not a gaming issue, its an economy issue. People just don't have the money to spend on games, cars, motorcycles, movies, etc., when electricity is up 30%, food is up 40% etc etc. It's a crazy time for AAA budgets to be at their highest point ever. Not sure what I would do if I was a decision maker in any of these industries. People just do not have the liquidable cash on hand to spend on recreation like they did 4-5 years ago.
To answer your question, yes Japan is also in free fall. More to the point China is beyond freefall and has basically gone critical mass at this point. They have so many different country ending events going on simultaneously that each individually could collapse their entire empire, and they have no way to solve a single one
And people laughed when we said we are gonna have another video game crash! Game prices gone up but quality has gone down massively. Gpu prices still poor considering previous generations. With all this power we are still playing games we played 10 Year ago! It’s coming…..
What you are seeing now is the crash. You aren't going to a get 1982-level crash again, the industry is too mature and videogames are too much of a cultural phenomenon now.
I teach digital arts and digital design. So I get a lot of students that are interested in tech and gaming etc. I think there are a few factors: the first is the economics. Most families don't have as much expendable income as they did 5 years ago. I believe the second factor is mobile phones. Most students are sucked into their phones. Most young people are on social media more than anything else. Their current hobbies are more often to watch other people have hobbies than to have them themselves. There's more kids watching streamers and influencers then playing games themselves. And of those that do have games a lot of them are on mobile or on a switch or on a PS4 or on a Nintendo Wii. There's a lot of last Gen gaming happening or mobile gaming happening. The final Factor that I observe is that many young people haven't played any of the big Sony games. They haven't even heard of the big Xbox games. And well they might be big fans of the old Nintendo properties, there just aren't that many new games that are getting people excited. I literally never hear about young people talking up the next new game. If there's any hype at all it's in the PC space and it's a very niche audience. Not a lot of young people have a good enough PC to be an enthusiast for PC gaming. But honestly that's where most of the gamers of this generation seem to play. I would say that the typical gamer of this upcoming generation has either a Nintendo switch and a PC or they have a Wii or a PS4. That's it. Beyond that we almost never hear of PS5 or Xbox Series consoles being in people's homes. At least the ones that I talk to.
@@skycloud4802 definitely but i could find a used GPU even if it did cost more than normal, PS5 was just impossible to find for years. I didn't think it was worth the money.
@richied5294 Where do you live if I may ask? I've moved between Europe and Australia and had PS5 since day one and was able to buy another 2 for normal price in normal store when i wanted. All my mates have one and never had problem finding one immediately.
@@Arasael23 USA. I had a maxed out 100 member ps party group for years and seen all my PS friends on waiting lists for months before anyone got lucky and I had no patience for all that. Pc had my curiosity for a little while so that was the push I needed. Now I can't get back into fps games with a controller, feels like I'm wearing mittens LoL
@@skycloud4802I got a PS5 because and an Xbox because building new 4k PCs got too expensive and I needed 2 for my wife and me. I used ro be PC and switch only before this gen.
Retro gaming on the other hand is seeing a massive surge in popularity... My take on this is that the middle-aged gamers that have been around since day 1, are deserting the console space as they no longer have the time to spend on increasingly grind-focussed games, and, instead, have pivoted towards the golden days of 'pick up and play' arcade gaming. I am definitely one of those people choosing this path, namely spending my money on a arcade cabinet setup whilst my PS5 sits there and gathers dust...
(Ex R* dev here) One thing I noticed that’s more troubling for the entire industry is, my kids are drawn more to games on iPads vs Nintendo/Xbox/Sony. I have an amazing game collection, but they are simply not attracting them.
Apple will become the next gaming giant. Especially if they keep porting AAA games onto their hardware. Apple will simply dissolve everyone else in 10 years.
For my part I have my PC (RTX 3070) connected to an LG C3 and RTX video HDR and Super Resolution makes watching things on you tube and "other" sites a fantastic experience. Not to mention DLSS and RTX HDR for games. I almost pulled the trigger on selling my card and buying RX 7800 XT when it was at $470 but I thought about the feature set on Nvidia cards and decided to wait and see what Intel has up it's sleeve and what kind of value the RTX 50 series will provide. In terms of the PC space AMD still needs to step up their game considerably although they do admittedly provide much better value for money in terms of raster and memory.
Look the problem is no one has any money. And in short order, all of our bills gotten much higher while our disposable income went down relative to the increase. It's hard to afford gaming right now. On top of that there's kind of a similar problem to the film industry where everyone 's focusing on trying to get this big sure thing money maker. Those aren't usually a thing. Sorry to tell you.
Mobile will destroy everything, because the majority of gamers are extremely mentally backward and spend tons of money and time on shit multiplayer games.
*Consoles are dying* Give it a rest mate. We hear this every single generation. Stop hating. Consoles will always be around whether you like it or not.
@@eytbitsPS income was 28billon with 7billon profit, Valve revenue was 13 billon in 2022 PC would be bigger if hw sales really were for gaming but most GPU buyers use it for AI
After being repeatedly sidelined at the annual Game Awards event, perhaps now the moment has finally arrived for indie developers to shine. Case in point, big corporations are shredding talent and cancelling big budget projects over the past year. The big wigs can't simply throw money at problems anymore.
The Game Awards are fixed, based on advertising money and agendas. One of the top-selling AAA games of 2023, a game that a lot of people loved, Hogwarts Legacy, was completely ignored by the Game Awards. That should tell you how fake the awards are.
@@G360LIVEbecause of the laughable “controversy”. Journalists are the ones who vote so this is not surprising. The media, including the gaming media, is full of activists (which also has a bad effect on the industry and creative freedom).
There are more issues than this, but for me it's the lack of console ONLY exclusives. Since Sony's and Microsoft's (earlier than Sony) major franchises are coming to PC, I see less and less of a reason to buy consoles. It might look good when a game like Helldivers 2 are making a huge profits on PC, but imagine the loss of current and future console sales they are missing out on. And forcing people to sign up for a PSN account just to get more people into the Eco-system, doesn't seem to work out too well.
Console gaming has a price problem. The pool of people that want to spend $500 on a console has been satisfied, and the remaining users want a $200 console to connect to their $200 TV set. If Sony wants the PS5 to sell as much as the PS4, they need to cut the price or build a cheaper version of it. Also, who wants to pay $70 for games? The number of $70 games I've personally purchased is exactly zero. If I really want something I'll buy it when it gets around $50, and otherwise I'll wait a year and get it cheap. I have such a huge backlog that I can play that while I wait. I just started Tales of Arise this week, after finishing Final Fantasy X HD last week.
Then how come the series s isn’t selling? It’s exactly that! It’s always better to buy for cheap, but I don’t think that’s the issue…it’s more that many ppl changed to mobile or PC since it’s become so much easier to set up plus with rising console costs it’s getting closer to pc prices
@@sumomaster5585 About 80% of Microsoft's console sales are the Series S, so it is selling, by Microsoft standards. It's not as popular as the PS5 or Switch because Microsoft doesn't have the mindshare or exclusives.
@@possiblyunmatched1323 I don't want to create a debate but it's been said in this very same podcast series S has sold more than series x, so a minimum of 50%+ of Xbox sales have been S
They need to do what Nintendo does, which is innovate within a known franchise rather than have to release a whole new game every time not knowing if it will sell.
The videogame market will thrive but the console market will disappear!! Mobile devices and PCs are already surpassing the console market in almost every aspect.
Apple will become the most important gaming platform. I expect iPhone 16 to bring console games to the front, after the timid push from 15 Pro/ 15 Pro Max. Everyone is buying or will buy iPhone.
I think MS is happy to do a console for GP platform. Just not the direct sale store or dedicated OS since there's a significant upkeep cost there with little sales for them.
There is only so much time and money that anyone with a life can spend on gaming. I used to game a lot when I was young but now that I am older, married and have a career, gaming has taken a back seat. I still watch these video/movies when driving, doing chores or when out for a walk but I cannot game since it is an interactive medium. Suits oversold the potential of gaming to investors and now the industry is paying the price and needs to correct. I mean, my primary gaming medium is a 1tb series S and I am very content with it. We need consoles like the series S and handhelds to widen the market for games. Let PC please the enthusiasts.
PCs are trash. Everyone sells everything new (unlike consoles who sell hardware at a loss) at a profit and you cannot go on forever milking the dumb people who bought brand-new $1000 GPUs and decide to sell them after 1-2 years out of boredom. The middle class is dying. People are getting poorer, the rich are getting richer and expect impossible profit margins.
Sony & Microsoft decided they’re releasing major games on PC, which predictably resulted in gamers choosing PC. When you undermine the only reason to invest in your proprietary gaming box, you can’t be surprised when people stop buying it.
I doubt microsoft cares too much as long as people still pay for their game pass. For Sony it's a similar story with the profits from additional game sales. The consoles don't make money anyway. The games do.
AMD needs to invest in feature parity with Nvidia, not just deploying a feature that checks a similar box. FSR2 looks way worse than DLSS2, AMD frame generation is way behind on support, the cards don't support ray tracing well, and even noise canceling is shoddy. When you add it all up AMD's ~15% discounts just aren't worth it, and users go for the platform with support. And I write this as a 7900XTX owner.
They don't have the money to do that, plus it isn't worth the money. They need to double down on partnerships and focus on AI chips and APU's as major revenue sources. They should also stop making consumer GPU's. This would balance their revenue and succeed in leaving gamers with the choice that they want, Nvidia.
AMD ought to make APUs for consumers at reasonable prices that can form the basis of competition with consoles. Steam OS or Chimera OS on an APU comparable to the XBSX or PS5, or even the XBSS, would be pretty appealing IMO as an alternative to console gaming.
The problem is you can't BUILD an APU like that to be BOTH socketable in a standard motherboard, AND affordable. Part of the thing that makes consoles work from an ENGINEERING perspective is how tightly integrated they are. So either they would have to sell you a weaker system in terms of a socketed APU but a fairly standardized motherboard, or you're buying the whole thing from them, which is an SoC, NOT an APU, and it's _still_ going to be more than a console because they're not making money on the back end like a Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo, or even Valve.
I'd be more than happy to shell out a bit more for an APU that can compete with consoles, given the advantages of PC over consoles I think the additional costs are worth it, and I think a lot of other people would too -- but of course, "a bit more" has its limits.
@@blast_processing6577 "A bit more" if AMD is doing the whole thing is not going to be a little amount. If they're only doing the board and the SOC attached to it, then you run into a DIFFERENT problem, because what you're essentially asking for is a laptop mainboard minus a screen and a keyboard, but still a very obviously not standard form factor with non-standard cooling requirements and I KNOW you've seen how expensive a gaming laptop is.
"a laptop mainboard minus a screen and keyboard" I've honestly wanted that for some of the NVidia mobile GPUs paired with Intel CPUs I've seen on laptops.
The big issue is that triple A games are not attractive. Last year I only bought 3 games, Zelda, RE4 and Starfield. I don't think I'll be buying anything for more than £10 this year. I'd rather they made more double A games. Especially for popular franchises. Give me a tank control pre rendered background resident evil. Give me an isometric fallout, cartoon style grand theft auto. I don't need photo realism to enjoy a game.
With the advance of Apple Silicon and Snapdragon X, the costs of development for AAA hardware, and the prioritizing GPU productin to the AI industry it honestly wouldn't surprise me if the gaming industry moves major titles to tablets and phones in the next 10 years or so. We could be seeing the end of console and PC gaming (as we know it). Phones/tablets, steam deck-like handhelds, docking stations for TVs. That's the future I think.
No chance. The mobile market will always be miles behind dedicated PC hardware. Even lower to mid range stuff that includes consoles, never mind the high end. Yes the mobile gaming market is worth more than the PC and console market combined but that audience is far different to your typical console or pc player. It's like saying the average cheap family car market is far bigger than the sports car market so we don't need sports cars. High end mobile tech isn't exactly cheap either. A 1k PC would massively outperform a 1k mobile device. Same for a €500 console vs a 500 mobile. Especially when those consoles are sold at close to cost price.
Are we looking at other late seventies early eighties video game meltdown.. a few reasons I can only think of... Are lead times for games are now 6 to 7 years... That used to be two console generations in the 80s and 90s
I see people praising handhelds as console replacements but, in my case, it doesn't appeal to me to play (or to watch movies, for instance) on a small screen with tiny speakers (or headphones) instead of a Home Theater (and a couch+Big TV is far better than a chair+Monitor, by the way).
It's not just the F2P model, many games have content that you used to unlock while playing.Nobody could foresee how this could end up being a financial disaster?. Especially with 200+Million development budgets, the industry is losing its selling power.
I can't help but speculate that this AMD revenue situation is partially due to what happened to the gaming market during the pandemic. Gaming revenue overall skyrocketed due to people being stuck inside bored, so that sort of points towards people investing in new consoles/PC hardware when they would usually have left it until later (or not invested at all). Perhaps it is the case that a higher percentage of the people likely to buy a current gen games console have already got one at this point.
I don't know why games take so long to make nowadays. Mass Effect 1, 2, and 3 are some of the best games and came a few years apart AC Origins and Odyssey were ground-breaking and Odyssey was stupefying in scope and launched 1 year apart. Usually games like Starfield that take too long are usually not worth the wait. I think when the vision is clear and the team is tight knit, you can release an incredible game in a fraction of the time that it would take another team. This should have been a golden era in gaming similar to X360 and PS3.
Am actually surprised Microsoft hasn’t pivoted to Xbox OS that can be installed on gaming hardware. I personally don’t want to PC game.. I’m a casual gamer. I hit button console turns on. I’m in game in 2 minute. I want to lounge out on my bed or couch… and fall asleep with my character walking into the wall.
PCs becoming more and more affordable as well as being the best long term platform is what’s happening. Along with no more true exclusivity with consoles, there’s no reason to not go PC if you can afford it to play all those games and more on a 1k PC
No matter the platform, it must have good games to survive and be successful. The only thing I've seen on the Microsoft Series X is a bunch of old titles with higher framerates. There is hardly any 1st party support, new AAA titles or fresh Intellectual Properties. Microsoft's focus was on everything but the most important factor for a gaming console which is GREAT GAMES!
Microsoft can have the xbox Console Windows edition where companies can build custom boxes that you install xbox Windows version. Opens up a competition market for companies to build a faster, smaller gameing machine that's has the console experience, or you can build a monter gaming pc that has a console experience.
As a PC enthusiast and gamer I struggle to see how Sony and Microsoft's strategy of releasing games cross platform is going to lead to anyone investing in their platforms.. Whats going to be the point in owning a PS or xbox in a few years time when a $250 pc will run everything?
This is the issue.... so many live in the past and believe gaming and the world today is as it was 10 even 20 years ago. Things happen in the world or in certain countries.... That have a knock on effect and damage everything, including gaming. Brexit damaged many industries, Covid damaged many industries, the war in Ukraine, continuing to damage many industries. It's been one ball ache after another. Then the cost of living has shot up, the cost of developing anything has shot up..... combine that with games cost more too make now than ever before and it doesn't help, that actual gamer's today are so damn needy and whiny. If a game focuses on story and game play, but doesn't concentrate on graphics, people moan it looks last gen. If a game focuses on graphics but the game play isn't as good as it could be, people moan that game play is all important and not graphics. If a game releases at 30fps, you moan it should be 60fps..... If a game releases at 60fps you moan they should give you the option for 120fps. If a game is 8 hours long... You moan it is too short, if a game is 80 hours long, you moan it's too big. If a game launches as a sandbox game, where YOU find your own way and what too do, you moan it's too confusing. If a game launches and it holds your hand with markers telling you where too go and what too do, that's wrong as well. You want NEW games, at AAA quality but ya don't want too pay for them, and you want constant DLC monthly and get angry when companies try too sell you in game items because at the end of the day, they are a company and want too MAKE MONEY. It is getting ridiculous, both developers and gamer's are absolutely screwing up this industry, that is here for a fun relaxing time, yet you people act like what platform you play is a life choice and take gaming so seriously, s##t needs to change and fast.
I hope AMD gets some traction in the AI GPU market. Then they may have enough spare cash to be willing to stick at the gaming GPU market. If not, I can't see them carrying on with gaming GPUs. They need a huge investment in ray tracing and upscaling to make themselves super competitive. And the business case probably isn't strong.
They are actually making bank in chips for compute and AI. As a whole, AMD did very well. It is in gaming where they flopped. Opposite to you though, I dont think is a good idea to pull money from the BU that is actually making money to finance a another broken BU. My advice as Client Exec in the I.T industry, would be to sell that unit...maybe Intel? or even MS.
@@fernandomartinez4486 AMD is nowhere in AI. Their server CPUs are doing well, but they are basically zero re AI GPUs. And I didn't say it was a good idea to invest in gaming GPUs. On the contrary I said the business case for doing that isn't strong. But if they were doing business in AI GPUs like Nvidia is, then it would be a pretty small gamble to make.
The tech used for AI gpu's has many applications in the gaming space and the prosumer space on PC. Look at how Nvidia has harnessed the power of the tensor cores that are used for AI. They have a lot of applications in games and even more so in the prosumer software space. Combined with the RT cores they have seen massive uplifts in many workloads like the 3d rendering space while also offering the best upscaling and ray tracing experience in games. AMD doesn't take the prosumer space serious enough. If they ever truly want to compete with Nvidia then this is an area they need to prioritize. Not just at a hardware level either. They need to work closely with the big creative software companies to implement and optimize for their hardware like Nvidia does. They have the money to do this now and they don't have to make it from scratch like Nvidia did. The likes of the 7900xt and xtx would have sold significantly better if they were up to scratch with the features and software support of Nvidia. Putting all that Vram on there was pointless from a purely gaming perspective but for AI and prosumer workloads it would have been amazing.
@@flat6crocThey are in AI. Read their financial report (I did). Not everything is gaming AI and seems thats what you defaulted to when replying to me. I repeat, they are making bank in Compute and AI chips. That's the division that is actually growing, alongside Data centers and Embedded services.
Sorry boys, but cross gen still looks pretty viable wth the sheer dearth of quality new experiences this gen. I am honestly enjoying collecting ps4 titles at the moment, not just from a quantity metric, but also the sheer diversity of games available. And they're cheap. And often physical. Not happy with this gen, the abandonment of physical, the stressing of live service and microtransactions, lack of titles. No thanks.
This is the reason why I'm happy with the state of PC gaming and many of the great indies and AA games out there. AAA gaming has already peaked and now declining. If Sony already started porting their exclusives to PC and PSVR2 support soon coming to PC then whats the point of owning a console at this point. You can even emulate the Switch. So really the only console worth having is a PS3 because PS3 emulation still has issues
The average Joe isn’t gonna bother with “emulation”. People want good games on a convenient platform where they can just plug and play.People also want games they can enjoy. Only Nintendo seems to care about the “good games” part recently. They spend less and still make amazing games. While Playstation spends unreasonable amount of money on every game to showcase its “capabilities” while making less games for the ps5
@@jaredcrane7547 Yeah, you gotta love those sub 20fps games nintendo has on a system that is not only to weak for the games they put on it but was to old and weak of hardware put in it for its release.
@@randysalsman6992 Sub 20fps? Except the extremely ambitious Tears of the kingdom which looks unbelievable on the switch. Has there ever been a sub 20fps game made by Nintendo? I ain’t a fan of theirs. But even I know they make the best games. Sounds like you simply have a problem with them. Also if sub 20fps was an issue, it wouldn’t have sold over 100 million consoles.
That is really bad news. But I have felt that this generation has been really underwhelming. I bought a series X and then sold it after Halo Infinite as Halo Infinite was not great and there was no other good xbox exclusives coming. I kept the PS5 and as many games had free PS5 upgrades I bought the PS4 boxed copy and played both versions. I struggled to tell the difference between the PS4 and PS5 versions. Even PS5 only games seem to be the last gen engines with little or no improvements to physics, destructability and AI. Some games like Starfield have all the AI and daily schedules removed from their NPCs making them shop dummies that hardly move. The xbox series x Starfield gameworld feels less alive than the xbox 360 skyrim gameworld. Personally I think GTA 6 will re-ignite the console market and finally give people a real reason to buy a new console. Consoles are media players and now the media you like can take 7 years to make.
In ten years i don't see consoles being popular, cloud gaming will be more relevant, when you can game anywhere on anything you no longer need consoles. The biggest issue now with digital is the size of games are getting ridiculous, over 200gb, in ten years that might double.
@sumomaster5585 Really not much to share. I am 50 years old, nearly 30 year career, house paid off, little debt, ready to retire, invest well, pension, 401k, savings. If I were to share anything it would be don't live beyond your means, don't have a bunch of kids you can't support and no matter what career you go into save more than you spend. That worked for me.
The fact that companies expect for there to be Constant growth even after their main audience has already bought one or more of their products, is sad and sick. It's a sign that they aren't prepared for healthy spending habits in society and depend on addicted consumers constantly buying more and reaching new audiences to stay afloat. No wonder why so many companies unnecessarily fail. They should be prepared for plateaus and drops once consoles have sold millions. When it comes to PC, AM4 is just so good that people have no need to upgrade, even with new GPUs (which is how producfs SHOULD be made) and it happens to fall alongside an economic slump lol. What did they expect?
I dont like the massive budgets and excessive lead times which they tackle by abusing their staff into "crunch" time. Forget this. I'll go backwards not £70/game forward.
Shorter games = less time needed to make it = more time to polish game = smaller budget = more games released = everyone happy? I don't say I would like to see again games with 6-8 hours campaign but it makes mi sick when I hear about another game with vast open world which require 60+ hours to complete it 100%... About "new" consoles, I personally know people who still play on PS4 and they don't really feel need to buy PS5 because generation leap is so little and there are still new games on PS4. Try to show "PS5 power" to someone who is not invested into game graphics that much as we who subscribe DF. C'mon, there is almost nothing to be impressed. For average gamer modern games look a bit better than older generation at best, and some new games like Rise of Ronin, Dragon's Dogma or Baldur's Gate 3 looks very much PS4-ish. Currently I'm playing Forza Horizon 2 and I was curious how much difference there was between Xbox One and Xbox 360 versions of this game. There was MASSIVE leap between generation. And now compare Forza Horizon 5 on Xbox One and Series X... Sure, there is clear difference but it's rather details, resolution etc. but new generation is rather mild evolution than revolution. Or I played Days Gone recently. It looks great even 5 years after release date. If you would change some blurry textures and swap checkerboard 4K to native 4K or even some modern res bumper technology this game would be great looking current gen title...
The problem which I have said time and time again is shareholders, if a product is broken or not finished they don’t care release it, they want their investment back, if gta 6 released now it would sell millions of copies, the demand is always there it’s the end product that is suffering because of shareholders. Microsoft don’t give a stuff about the console space that’s why they bought king, they know mobile gaming will supply fill any shortfall in revenue. Shareholders are poisoning the gaming space.
The problem is not consoles at all. The reality is that most gamers today use their phones and tablets. Such mobility, low cost for games, and ease are the reason for this. The console is outdated by the majority of younger gamers.
No mention of switch? Plug and play in 10 mins. Plus their games are better as in just pure fun. Also they are not closing studios and have been busting out new software one every 45 days. Yes a lot are remakes but that's because they are just filling out the rest of year till we get the new one next year. Just look at mario kart. Over 60millioj units sold and it's a 10 plus year old game and looks better then any other "aaa" game out there.
I built a good PC a year ago and haven’t played a game in 6 months. Everything runs like crap and is kinda boring. I’ve bought some newer releases and honestly haven’t even booted the game up yet. Not to mention the newer consoles are sub 1080p/30fps. I couldn’t tell you any games that are dropping for the rest of this year and I’ve been a die hard gamer for over 30 years. Sad times.
You just suck at picking out games, there are tons of great games out there. You're problem probably is you still think like a console gamer and only wanna play triple gay I mean tripla a games. So many great games are not and never will be on console so you'll need to think differently to find these games. Or you can start by asking some PC gamers what they're playing, you're an adult I figure so go out and figure it out.
There's finite amount of people, and they don't want to own every gaming thing. I think tech makers behind the spreadsheet just don't see, that they are heading to that wall.
They did, there was a time when Consoles were more powerful than PCs when it came to gaming. Then they became a little weaker but a massive bargain for the price. Now they're pretty much on par on the price but much more restricted than a PC. No real reason to own one anymore, unfortunately.
What I find insane is that people are willing to spend upwards of 1.5k USD/EURO every year for a new iPhone which is literally same thing like last year. Meanwhile gaming console which can be used to play games and watch movies, that only need upgrading every 6-8 years at 500 is too much to ask for? They shouldn't be selling them at the loss in the first place. Industry is simply too inflated being budget of AAA or consoles themselves. It could as well be a bubble waiting to burst, but we will see what happens...
Only apple is doing that, I read somewhere they alone make 80% of all profits in the phones market. As for why, it’s becuz phones are actually multipurpose and are useful. Further pc gaming acts as a deterrence for price hikes cuz if they are expensive might as well get a pc. Never,indeed how pc and mobile cannibalised on console sales
The problem is there is no new games let alone the industries setting it self for a crash with the way big publishers greed is ruing gaming. Cut content sold as dlc, micro transactions, unfinished games released, wokeness and the quality of games.
Gaming these days has lost its flare, taking years and budgets beyond only to be released with great disappointment. Need to go back to the roots of what made gaming great.
I bought a used AMD RX6700 XT as it offered better price / performance the current 7000 series in my £1000 PC. Progress has slowed. Affordable raytracing could make me upgrade .
I wonder if AI is going to end up being key here. . If utilized correctly, it could certainly help smooth out some of the issues with overpriced budgets, poorly optimized games, and lack of "fresh" ideas.
This is probably related to the decline of childbirth worldwide, less new people to get into it overall. Specially in the more developed countries which is where most of the consumers who can afford gaming are anyway. (At least the non Jack Sparrow version, if you know what I mean 🏴☠️)
Less money and less time for me. I used to buy way more games Stellar Blade is the last game I've bought at launch since Ragnarok. Hardware upgrades are very small incremental changes make me less likely to buy any new hardware
It’s not just gaming though, the whole world economy is reeling from cost of living and high interest rates. It’s cyclical though, it’ll be back in a couple of years,
AMD can't do ray tracing and can't reduce power consumption. Those things matter for PC gaming. They will matter more for console gaming when the next gen turns.
Not a hot take, but gaming studios have long forgotten what makes a game good: FUN FACTOR. People understand that games are fictional, and didn't always expect the hyper-reality current gen consoles are trying to produce. Graphics can ADD to a game, but they can't save a game. So many triple A titles (I'm thinking about God of War) are just straight up boring. I don't want a playable movie or novel. I don't care if I can see accurate reflections while swinging around as SpiderMan. It's such an inconsequential detail. Have you ever awoken on any morning saying, "where's my ray tracing??? I want to be drawn in. I play more Dead Cells than anything, and the PS4 ports have been buggy because Sony doesn't prioritize indie games. I don't think I'll even buy a PS5. I think I'd be perfectly happy with just a Steam Deck. Stop using games to showcase your hardware. Console owners don't care about hardware. They care about the experience.
Games always pushed graphical capabilities. The only difference is 20 years ago the graphical capabilities of hardware was very different. As for GoW I enjoyed the heck out of it. Fun is subjective. What 1 person find fun can be boring to another. Which is why "fun" is such a poor way to judge a game.
Console gaming is being csnnsbalised by mobile gaming. Furthermore some of the most popular titles like minecraft, cod and roblox don't require the latest hardware. This makes upgrading from previous gen less of a priority.
Hadn't gamed for 10 years, bought the newest X Box when it came out, very few good games and almost zero next-gen games, they sold me a pup, so I sold it two months ago, don't miss it, the end.
A world with only Sony is grim enough but I can’t even imagine the hellscape of a world where there is only Nvidia.
Sony is gonna end up doing exactly what Microsoft is doing right now if Microsoft fails the Xbox brand. They will push for absolute control and destroy everything it has stood for the moment it gains monopoly on the gaming business
@@jaredcrane7547 sony has been the best console since ps1 over 28 years ago..
On Prices I agree but Nvidia make stellar graphics cards.
At least Nvidia does cool stuff. Just unfortunately that involves a lot of uncool stuff for consumers too.
Sony will still have Nintendo and PC to compete against not to mention streaming games becoming viable in future which will eliminate the need for consoles altogether
Do they really tho? We're mid-generation and knee deep in inflation. Of course demand is lower. 🤷🏿♂️
Exactly few understand macroeconomics and the impact rising rates have on disposable income.
That's true, but I have a hard time chalking it up to just that. The big players in the industry are taking a dump on their consumer base, that seems to me to be a much bigger issue than just disposable income.
@@myugenjinGreed
Been a gamer since 1979 and have owned every console from then to now, but what we are seeing in the gaming industry is unlike anything we have seen since the crash in the 80s, and it is not just Microsoft. Sony is also feeling it.
Games so expensive to make, so expensive to buy, poor quiality, poor performance....Its the new era crash.
Handhelds are the way to go.too many vendors with crappy games out there
Like many of us has said it’s gonna crash again it’s been on the cards for ages…….
Gpu prices still overpriced
Games bringing nothing new
Games prices gone up and quality gone down!
It’s coming
Same, im 51, started on a zx80 and 81, speccy route. Thing is, the japanese gaming saved the day last time. Greed is killing it this time.
@@Sabre_Wulf1 I agree.
Were barely got anything "Next Gen" in the last 3.5 years to justify the current consoles so for a lot of people to buy into another 5-600 dollar price tag for a mid gen refresh seems unrealistic. I don't think this mid gen refresh is going to see the kind of success the xb1x and ps4pro saw.
A lot of consumers are making the jump to PC over the last few years which further compounds the console sales woes.
Ultimately until we see a steady flow of high impact titles to win back consumer confidence, I see the console market remaining stagnant.
It's like the whole industry is waiting for GTA 6 for "next gen" to finally arrive.
But for the most part the more powerful hardware has been spent on 4K target output & performance modes, even with upscaling tech. It's better, but nothing that makes you think "we haven't seen this before'
And everything's getting so expensive of course people are cutting back on non essentials.
Yeah this is definitely it. I remember going from PS2 to Xbox 360 and being genuinely stunned. That just doesn't happen anymore and probably won't ever again. The less dramatic the leap the less enticing the console becomes. The console manufacturers want to keep the consoles relevant with mid gen refreshes (which also generates sales) but it's really in their interest to let the consoles become obsolete so that the new one's actually have something to offer. Look at everyone clamoring for a switch 2 because the first one isn't powerful enough now. Nintendo knows what they're doing.
I agree about the 'Next Gen' games scarcity but, in my case, boot/load times, performance (*), and responsiveness (*) have improved a lot with my Xbox SX vs. my Xbox One S. I don't care about 4K or HDR because I have a 1080p TV.
(*): As opposed to stuttering and input lag.
i was going to get a basic pc anyway.... when the scalpers got all of the consoles and were charging $1200 i just got a pc with a 3070.(prebuilt because all of the gpu's were gone too)
now i'm building another pc with a 7800x3d/7900xtx. i will be getting the pro when it releases because i don't have a ps5 yet.
@@caliginousmoira8565 PS5 throws most of their games on PC a year after launch anyways. Unless you're dying to play a PlayStation game day 1, there's no point in throwing another $600 at a plastic box when you already have a capable gaming PC. That money is better invested in your rig.
Why would I need new hardware if most of the newer games suck? People are happy enough with the good old games.
New games bad, old games good
Are you just going to keep playing old games over and over again?
@@hihihi1q23 that would get….. OLD mawhahaha
Yet, they still receiving decent to very well in reviews.
@@hihihi1q23i mean i personally have a huge backlog of old games which will keep me busy for 2-3 years at least lol
Alex is right; the demand on PC and the demand on console aren't really the same.
We may have some crossover appeal but for the most part we're after different things.
Sound logical
But they have the same components. And with third parties releasing games on PC, and Microsoft releasing games on PC, and Sony now starting to release games on PC, even though console gamers and PC gamers are after different things, we all can find it on the same hardware. All that's missing is Nintendo games.
The most amusing thing about this is Xbox saying they want a 'steam like' service.....
Not a CHANCE they'll ever compete as they're a publicly traded corporate entity, meaning they have shareholders there to ruin everything...
Steam don't have that problem 😅
Man shareholders are the worst. We should have laws here that make investing a more “take it or leave it” approach. The fact that people with no industry experience can dictate where the industry goes is crazy. Imagine owning a bakery but you don’t know how to bake and then telling the head baker to change the recipes.
damnit that's bad, we absolutely NEED them, one company cannot have the monopoly
AMD is doing fine with Client (Ryzen) and Data Center (EPYC / Instinct). Last quarter even Nvidia reported no growth in their gaming business. It's all about AI Servers and AI compute now.
@@EarthB00 as a company, sure, but if they see flops in their GPU segment, they might not invest as much into the R&D
That's all well and good, but if you don't buy the damn console or it's games, then I don't want to hear that shit. Only people who own the console and it's games need to be making that remark.
@@HTHAMMACK1i buy from both worlds, but I fail to see your point anyway
1 company to rule us all and into darkness bind us🤣
I just bought and soft modded a ps2 and am having much more fun now than I was with ps4/ps5. Everything is just different now and weird.
Agreed and you're lucky you've got a modded PS2
Big reason retro handhelds are also selling so well. A lot of people tired of the BS of the last 2 gens
I got a PS2 too, but I can't agree on that.
Everything is just too old for me, I wish PS5 had backwards compatibility like Xbox, cause I'd love to play those games with decent resolution on my TV.
Or maybe I just need to buy an old TV, cause I remember this console looking great on them...
@@559925 I depends on everyone for sure. For me retro gaming has a place, but I prefer modern games and remakes or remasters. Playeing Yakuza Kiwami, FC24, Tales of Vesperia, and for retro Pokemon Crystal and Metroid Zero Mission. I never buy full price or new games anymore. Not worth it to me.
Agreed. I like modern games still, but the best thing I ever did was set up a retro gaming area. So much fun to reminisce about a better time in the world. 90s and early 00s really might've been the peak.
This isn't a game industry issue, this is an economic issue. Every industry is seeing reduction in sales because inflation is leaving ppl in a famine mentality.
It's the perfect storm of circumstance:
- pandemic-induced supply issues compounded by scaplers at the launch of new consoles, delaying the time people get their hands on them
- lacklusture, often buggy games, and not enough of them.
- lack of disposable income, meaning people hold on to older hardware and games
- consoles now 3.5 years old meaning they're not exactly cutting-edge, yet prices haven't meaningfully dropped
- cross-gen continuing even now, meaning less incentive to move over.
We almost need a major crash and either a new player to enter the scene with something fun and different or for xbox/playstation to meaningfully differentiate and innovate
I've always thought that PlayStation and Xbox have been trying to push consoles very far, too soon. And they end up selling the consoles themselves at a loss.
Game development ends up being way more expensive while taking too long.
PS4 Pro and Xbox One X tried to push 4k too early. And current consoles still struggle on that
Rich is spot on that people are still playing old games. They haven’t seen a compelling reason to upgrade at all. This generation of consoles is the 20 series for NVIDIA. There was no reason to leave Pascal
Exactly this is the main issue.
That’s why I don’t give a damn about Switch getting a new version. So much good stuff in the catalogue to go through still.
@@ilbroducciore i heard about switch 2 being confirmed and was like "cool let me know in 5 years when another zelda is out, until then a nice new steam deck sounds way more appealing"
No point half the new games are usually broke at launch and cost 100$ your waiting 6 month for fixes
Yep, there's nothing really appealing about the current consoles, be it hardware itself or the lackluster games that are being released on them. As such and with the last gen consoles still being catered for and with a lot of those gamers still playing on less demanding but well established games (especially the big hitting online games like Fortnite, Destiny 2 ect), then there's simply not enough incentive for those console gamers to even bother upgrading to a current gen console.
Even on PC a simular situation applies, where fewer and fewer gamers are bothering to upgrade. This is due either to being held back by having a limited budget and the current sky high prices of GPU's or again them simply feeling theres absolutely no need to. Since likewise they too are also mostly playing on the same or simular less demanding titles, where an older GPU/CPU is more than sufficient.
And in that situation I can completely understand thier stance. If your older system/hardware is still good enough for the games that you mostly play on and it's still being supported, then why would you even bother in upgrading it?
It also, doesn't help with us being in the middle of a worldwide economic downturn. Where affording basic items like food and paying off the bills matters far more, than buying an expensive luxury item like a new console, a new video card or even another poorly made generic or re-hashed AAA game for $70.
I guarantee unless things drastically change and change pretty quickly in the videi game industry, then there's going to be another major gaming crash, happening very soon. The writing about it's arrival has been on the wall for quite a while, now.
I feel like there’s a decent resurgence in retro gaming as well, a lot of people I know have went back to collections physical copies and consoles from older generation. PS1/PS2, PS3, 360, Super Nintendo, etc. I feel like a lot of people are burnt out on modern gaming
I've been playing on the PS4 Pro because I anticipated the PS5 Pro, and I was right. PS5 Pro is a day one buy for me, and I have a large list of PS5 only games I'll be picking up at a nice discount. Probably Helldivers 2 and Stellar Blade to start.
Consoles are going through a very tough phase I think. It’s still got a lot of players but I feel like consoles peaked in their traditional format, and it may be a bumpy ride to figure out what the future of consoles/gaming looks like. It is interesting that a lot of the major franchises are typically getting quite old now. Some still have big appeal, Zelda does well, Grand Theft Auto is obvious, but some things like Halo seem to have lost big traction. I’m approaching 40 and remember when most of the big franchises came out, but do younger gamers care about them? I keep up to date with the news but I don’t actually play that many games at all these days. Games are probably getting too complicated and too costly, and when they only end up releasing one or two big franchise titles over many years there’s a real lack of hype.
F2P and Live Service changed the landscape and users simply aren't needing to move to new hardware very often. Like as it stands over 60% of played time in gaming is on titles that are 6+ years old like Faortnite, GTA Online, Roblox, LoL etc. and only 8% of time played is on new games. Next year we will likely see consoles sales do much better then this year due to GTA6 but that really feels like the first game your average consumer has needed to upgrade for.
The future of consoles seems to be the switch/steam deck. Portable computers with docks for tv use. And honestly im fine with that.
@@thefilmdirector1 Between that and streaming yes. I hate to admit it because I can't stand streaming, but in another 5 to 10 years it'll be so good most average people won't be able to tell what's playing native vs streaming.
@@SpartanArmy117 Data caps are a thing, and will be for a very long time. Plus I only 750GB a month, after that my internet drops to down to 1mbps.
@@DeadPhoenix86DP Streaming for a month probably doesn't even equate to what downloading a single modern game does. I think that's irrelevant.
Greed is destroying the game industry, it's never enough.
"Greed" is what built the industry. It's why we enjoy expensive AAA games on technologically advanced hardware. These things come at a cost.
@@bobbobbins4877 we would NOT have what we have now if we settled , you keep what you have and let pthers choose to upgrade itf they wish
99% of the game industry is just trying to get paid fair value for their labor and creativity. Programmers even take a big pay cut to work on games because it's supposedly "more fun" than databases and web apps. These large companies operate at a scale of income and losses that you can't even fathom. It's not greedy for them to try to make a billion dollars one year, when some years they lose a billion dollars. As long as there's competition, the market will dictate what is fair. Greed has nothing to do with it.
Don't for DEI, that cost is flowing well into the trillion number now.
@@bobbobbins4877 Good for you if you can enjoy this "AAA" crap, personally i dive deeper and deeper into retro gaming.
What’s funny is we need more games like hifi rush and wi like titles that constrict themselves to imaginative design and descent budgets that people appreciate and afford without the over done grind.
I'm still playing a PS4 because there aren't enough exclusive games at the PS5 price tag (Americans forget the price INCREASED everywhere else). And it looks like any major price cut just isn't happening because they can't make the consoles cheaper, or so DF has implied. At this point, I'm hoping they cut the price to what it originally launched at. There are so many last-gen games that are heavily discounted now and still some current-gen titles that play acceptably well on last-gen. I think Sony and MS are in for a rude awakening when Nintendo launches their new hardware. At this point, I'll probably just pick up a Switch 2 instead.
Um, the entire Planet's economy is in a freefall... As much as I love gaming, the issue, is that people have no disposable income... I don't think these guys ever leave their houses to see how bad it actually is out there for average people now...
The spare disposable income is definitely tighter now than I ever remember it being. There just doesn't seem to be enough money to spend on video games and consoles anymore. Everything is rent/mortgages and other cost if living expenses.
The problem is, game prices have skyrocketed. It used to be 50 to 60 euro here for a very long time. Now we're paying 80 to 100 euro. And game quality has taken a nose dive as well.
So many titles ship unfinished on day 1, and needs at least 6 to 8 months of extra work.
@@skycloud4802That's the truth of the matter.
Movie revenue is down. Gaming revenue is down, retail revenue is down. Sales of new vehicles are down. Sales of motorcycles and recreational vehicles are down. I know each of these companies are scrambling to make up sales and projections, but the fact is the economy, nut just US but also the rest of the civilized world. It's the same in the UK, all of Europe, and Australia. I know these things. I do not know about Japan, other than NTDOY is down as well...its not a gaming issue, its an economy issue. People just don't have the money to spend on games, cars, motorcycles, movies, etc., when electricity is up 30%, food is up 40% etc etc. It's a crazy time for AAA budgets to be at their highest point ever. Not sure what I would do if I was a decision maker in any of these industries. People just do not have the liquidable cash on hand to spend on recreation like they did 4-5 years ago.
Japan is in a recession.
And the more AI takes people's jobs. there will be an ever shrinking pool of customers if everyone's out of work
To answer your question, yes Japan is also in free fall. More to the point China is beyond freefall and has basically gone critical mass at this point. They have so many different country ending events going on simultaneously that each individually could collapse their entire empire, and they have no way to solve a single one
And people laughed when we said we are gonna have another video game crash!
Game prices gone up but quality has gone down massively.
Gpu prices still poor considering previous generations.
With all this power we are still playing games we played 10
Year ago!
It’s coming…..
What you are seeing now is the crash. You aren't going to a get 1982-level crash again, the industry is too mature and videogames are too much of a cultural phenomenon now.
@@zaidabraham7310 it’s obviously not going to be like the first one but it’s gonna get worse before it gets better
I teach digital arts and digital design. So I get a lot of students that are interested in tech and gaming etc. I think there are a few factors: the first is the economics. Most families don't have as much expendable income as they did 5 years ago. I believe the second factor is mobile phones. Most students are sucked into their phones. Most young people are on social media more than anything else. Their current hobbies are more often to watch other people have hobbies than to have them themselves. There's more kids watching streamers and influencers then playing games themselves. And of those that do have games a lot of them are on mobile or on a switch or on a PS4 or on a Nintendo Wii. There's a lot of last Gen gaming happening or mobile gaming happening. The final Factor that I observe is that many young people haven't played any of the big Sony games. They haven't even heard of the big Xbox games. And well they might be big fans of the old Nintendo properties, there just aren't that many new games that are getting people excited. I literally never hear about young people talking up the next new game. If there's any hype at all it's in the PC space and it's a very niche audience. Not a lot of young people have a good enough PC to be an enthusiast for PC gaming. But honestly that's where most of the gamers of this generation seem to play. I would say that the typical gamer of this upcoming generation has either a Nintendo switch and a PC or they have a Wii or a PS4. That's it. Beyond that we almost never hear of PS5 or Xbox Series consoles being in people's homes. At least the ones that I talk to.
The scalping issue with the PS5 launch turned me off so much that I went PC. Never going back to console.
Unfortunately scalpers and crypto miners also ruined pc gaming, with the sky high priced graphics cards and poor availability.
@@skycloud4802 definitely but i could find a used GPU even if it did cost more than normal, PS5 was just impossible to find for years. I didn't think it was worth the money.
@richied5294 Where do you live if I may ask?
I've moved between Europe and Australia and had PS5 since day one and was able to buy another 2 for normal price in normal store when i wanted. All my mates have one and never had problem finding one immediately.
@@Arasael23 USA. I had a maxed out 100 member ps party group for years and seen all my PS friends on waiting lists for months before anyone got lucky and I had no patience for all that. Pc had my curiosity for a little while so that was the push I needed. Now I can't get back into fps games with a controller, feels like I'm wearing mittens LoL
@@skycloud4802I got a PS5 because and an Xbox because building new 4k PCs got too expensive and I needed 2 for my wife and me. I used ro be PC and switch only before this gen.
20-30 years from now, we will be reminiscing such good gaming times with DF at the old folks home.
Retro gaming on the other hand is seeing a massive surge in popularity... My take on this is that the middle-aged gamers that have been around since day 1, are deserting the console space as they no longer have the time to spend on increasingly grind-focussed games, and, instead, have pivoted towards the golden days of 'pick up and play' arcade gaming. I am definitely one of those people choosing this path, namely spending my money on a arcade cabinet setup whilst my PS5 sits there and gathers dust...
(Ex R* dev here) One thing I noticed that’s more troubling for the entire industry is, my kids are drawn more to games on iPads vs Nintendo/Xbox/Sony. I have an amazing game collection, but they are simply not attracting them.
Apple will become the next gaming giant.
Especially if they keep porting AAA games onto their hardware.
Apple will simply dissolve everyone else in 10 years.
How old are they?
For my part I have my PC (RTX 3070) connected to an LG C3 and RTX video HDR and Super Resolution makes watching things on you tube and "other" sites a fantastic experience. Not to mention DLSS and RTX HDR for games. I almost pulled the trigger on selling my card and buying RX 7800 XT when it was at $470 but I thought about the feature set on Nvidia cards and decided to wait and see what Intel has up it's sleeve and what kind of value the RTX 50 series will provide. In terms of the PC space AMD still needs to step up their game considerably although they do admittedly provide much better value for money in terms of raster and memory.
How's power consumption
Look the problem is no one has any money. And in short order, all of our bills gotten much higher while our disposable income went down relative to the increase. It's hard to afford gaming right now. On top of that there's kind of a similar problem to the film industry where everyone 's focusing on trying to get this big sure thing money maker. Those aren't usually a thing. Sorry to tell you.
Exclusivity hitting console hard. Most gamers already moved to either mobile or PC gaming. Console gamers are a dying bread
Mobile is the biggest but console gaming is still bigger than PC gamming in terms of revenue.
@@007GoldenLion no, it's mobile > PC > console. Check visual capitalist for reference
Mobile will destroy everything, because the majority of gamers are extremely mentally backward and spend tons of money and time on shit multiplayer games.
*Consoles are dying*
Give it a rest mate. We hear this every single generation. Stop hating. Consoles will always be around whether you like it or not.
@@eytbitsPS income was 28billon with 7billon profit, Valve revenue was 13 billon in 2022
PC would be bigger if hw sales really were for gaming but most GPU buyers use it for AI
After being repeatedly sidelined at the annual Game Awards event, perhaps now the moment has finally arrived for indie developers to shine. Case in point, big corporations are shredding talent and cancelling big budget projects over the past year. The big wigs can't simply throw money at problems anymore.
The Game Awards are fixed, based on advertising money and agendas. One of the top-selling AAA games of 2023, a game that a lot of people loved, Hogwarts Legacy, was completely ignored by the Game Awards. That should tell you how fake the awards are.
@@G360LIVEbecause of the laughable “controversy”. Journalists are the ones who vote so this is not surprising. The media, including the gaming media, is full of activists (which also has a bad effect on the industry and creative freedom).
There are more issues than this, but for me it's the lack of console ONLY exclusives. Since Sony's and Microsoft's (earlier than Sony) major franchises are coming to PC, I see less and less of a reason to buy consoles. It might look good when a game like Helldivers 2 are making a huge profits on PC, but imagine the loss of current and future console sales they are missing out on. And forcing people to sign up for a PSN account just to get more people into the Eco-system, doesn't seem to work out too well.
I would gladly buy AMD again if they made FSR as good as DLSS.
Console gaming has a price problem. The pool of people that want to spend $500 on a console has been satisfied, and the remaining users want a $200 console to connect to their $200 TV set. If Sony wants the PS5 to sell as much as the PS4, they need to cut the price or build a cheaper version of it.
Also, who wants to pay $70 for games? The number of $70 games I've personally purchased is exactly zero. If I really want something I'll buy it when it gets around $50, and otherwise I'll wait a year and get it cheap. I have such a huge backlog that I can play that while I wait. I just started Tales of Arise this week, after finishing Final Fantasy X HD last week.
Then how come the series s isn’t selling? It’s exactly that! It’s always better to buy for cheap, but I don’t think that’s the issue…it’s more that many ppl changed to mobile or PC since it’s become so much easier to set up plus with rising console costs it’s getting closer to pc prices
@@sumomaster5585 About 80% of Microsoft's console sales are the Series S, so it is selling, by Microsoft standards. It's not as popular as the PS5 or Switch because Microsoft doesn't have the mindshare or exclusives.
@@harleyn3089this is a massive lie. 80% are not Xbox series s. More like 20%
@@possiblyunmatched1323 I don't want to create a debate but it's been said in this very same podcast series S has sold more than series x, so a minimum of 50%+ of Xbox sales have been S
The PS4 wasn't $200 it was $300.
Like wise $70 for a game is still below inflation costs for a game.
They need to do what Nintendo does, which is innovate within a known franchise rather than have to release a whole new game every time not knowing if it will sell.
The videogame market will thrive but the console market will disappear!! Mobile devices and PCs are already surpassing the console market in almost every aspect.
Apple will become the most important gaming platform.
I expect iPhone 16 to bring console games to the front, after the timid push from 15 Pro/ 15 Pro Max.
Everyone is buying or will buy iPhone.
I think MS is happy to do a console for GP platform. Just not the direct sale store or dedicated OS since there's a significant upkeep cost there with little sales for them.
There is only so much time and money that anyone with a life can spend on gaming. I used to game a lot when I was young but now that I am older, married and have a career, gaming has taken a back seat.
I still watch these video/movies when driving, doing chores or when out for a walk but I cannot game since it is an interactive medium.
Suits oversold the potential of gaming to investors and now the industry is paying the price and needs to correct. I mean, my primary gaming medium is a 1tb series S and I am very content with it. We need consoles like the series S and handhelds to widen the market for games. Let PC please the enthusiasts.
Sorry but after being told for years by the mainstream media that pc gaming was dying ill find it pretty hilarious if consoles die out instead
PCs are trash. Everyone sells everything new (unlike consoles who sell hardware at a loss) at a profit and you cannot go on forever milking the dumb people who bought brand-new $1000 GPUs and decide to sell them after 1-2 years out of boredom.
The middle class is dying.
People are getting poorer, the rich are getting richer and expect impossible profit margins.
Sony & Microsoft decided they’re releasing major games on PC, which predictably resulted in gamers choosing PC. When you undermine the only reason to invest in your proprietary gaming box, you can’t be surprised when people stop buying it.
I doubt microsoft cares too much as long as people still pay for their game pass. For Sony it's a similar story with the profits from additional game sales. The consoles don't make money anyway. The games do.
AMD needs to invest in feature parity with Nvidia, not just deploying a feature that checks a similar box. FSR2 looks way worse than DLSS2, AMD frame generation is way behind on support, the cards don't support ray tracing well, and even noise canceling is shoddy. When you add it all up AMD's ~15% discounts just aren't worth it, and users go for the platform with support. And I write this as a 7900XTX owner.
They don't have the money to do that, plus it isn't worth the money. They need to double down on partnerships and focus on AI chips and APU's as major revenue sources. They should also stop making consumer GPU's. This would balance their revenue and succeed in leaving gamers with the choice that they want, Nvidia.
AMD ought to make APUs for consumers at reasonable prices that can form the basis of competition with consoles. Steam OS or Chimera OS on an APU comparable to the XBSX or PS5, or even the XBSS, would be pretty appealing IMO as an alternative to console gaming.
The problem is you can't BUILD an APU like that to be BOTH socketable in a standard motherboard, AND affordable. Part of the thing that makes consoles work from an ENGINEERING perspective is how tightly integrated they are. So either they would have to sell you a weaker system in terms of a socketed APU but a fairly standardized motherboard, or you're buying the whole thing from them, which is an SoC, NOT an APU, and it's _still_ going to be more than a console because they're not making money on the back end like a Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo, or even Valve.
I'd be more than happy to shell out a bit more for an APU that can compete with consoles, given the advantages of PC over consoles I think the additional costs are worth it, and I think a lot of other people would too -- but of course, "a bit more" has its limits.
@@blast_processing6577 "A bit more" if AMD is doing the whole thing is not going to be a little amount. If they're only doing the board and the SOC attached to it, then you run into a DIFFERENT problem, because what you're essentially asking for is a laptop mainboard minus a screen and a keyboard, but still a very obviously not standard form factor with non-standard cooling requirements and I KNOW you've seen how expensive a gaming laptop is.
"a laptop mainboard minus a screen and keyboard"
I've honestly wanted that for some of the NVidia mobile GPUs paired with Intel CPUs I've seen on laptops.
I'm still driving my 2010 Toyota Matrix, 150 000 miles and going strong
The big issue is that triple A games are not attractive. Last year I only bought 3 games, Zelda, RE4 and Starfield. I don't think I'll be buying anything for more than £10 this year.
I'd rather they made more double A games. Especially for popular franchises. Give me a tank control pre rendered background resident evil. Give me an isometric fallout, cartoon style grand theft auto. I don't need photo realism to enjoy a game.
I love how nemesis is catching up with the gaming industry
No price cuts for consoles or pc gpu’s may have something to do with it. Crumbling economy isn’t helping either.
With the advance of Apple Silicon and Snapdragon X, the costs of development for AAA hardware, and the prioritizing GPU productin to the AI industry it honestly wouldn't surprise me if the gaming industry moves major titles to tablets and phones in the next 10 years or so. We could be seeing the end of console and PC gaming (as we know it). Phones/tablets, steam deck-like handhelds, docking stations for TVs. That's the future I think.
Would tablet users pay 70 dollars for games?
@@sumomaster5585Nope.
No chance. The mobile market will always be miles behind dedicated PC hardware. Even lower to mid range stuff that includes consoles, never mind the high end. Yes the mobile gaming market is worth more than the PC and console market combined but that audience is far different to your typical console or pc player. It's like saying the average cheap family car market is far bigger than the sports car market so we don't need sports cars. High end mobile tech isn't exactly cheap either. A 1k PC would massively outperform a 1k mobile device. Same for a €500 console vs a 500 mobile. Especially when those consoles are sold at close to cost price.
Are we looking at other late seventies early eighties video game meltdown.. a few reasons I can only think of... Are lead times for games are now 6 to 7 years... That used to be two console generations in the 80s and 90s
I see people praising handhelds as console replacements but, in my case, it doesn't appeal to me to play (or to watch movies, for instance) on a small screen with tiny speakers (or headphones) instead of a Home Theater (and a couch+Big TV is far better than a chair+Monitor, by the way).
It's not just the F2P model, many games have content that you used to unlock while playing.Nobody could foresee how this could end up being a financial disaster?.
Especially with 200+Million development budgets, the industry is losing its selling power.
I can't help but speculate that this AMD revenue situation is partially due to what happened to the gaming market during the pandemic. Gaming revenue overall skyrocketed due to people being stuck inside bored, so that sort of points towards people investing in new consoles/PC hardware when they would usually have left it until later (or not invested at all). Perhaps it is the case that a higher percentage of the people likely to buy a current gen games console have already got one at this point.
I don't know why games take so long to make nowadays. Mass Effect 1, 2, and 3 are some of the best games and came a few years apart AC Origins and Odyssey were ground-breaking and Odyssey was stupefying in scope and launched 1 year apart.
Usually games like Starfield that take too long are usually not worth the wait. I think when the vision is clear and the team is tight knit, you can release an incredible game in a fraction of the time that it would take another team.
This should have been a golden era in gaming similar to X360 and PS3.
Aa much as I love the Mass Effect Series. There are a lot of aspects of 2 and 3 that could have used several more months of baking.
Am actually surprised Microsoft hasn’t pivoted to Xbox OS that can be installed on gaming hardware.
I personally don’t want to PC game.. I’m a casual gamer. I hit button console turns on. I’m in game in 2 minute. I want to lounge out on my bed or couch… and fall asleep with my character walking into the wall.
PCs becoming more and more affordable as well as being the best long term platform is what’s happening. Along with no more true exclusivity with consoles, there’s no reason to not go PC if you can afford it to play all those games and more on a 1k PC
Either you play 4K HDR at maximum settings or you go to a console.
PCs have a lot of issues, Microsoft is not made for Gaming.
No matter the platform, it must have good games to survive and be successful. The only thing I've seen on the Microsoft Series X is a bunch of old titles with higher framerates. There is hardly any 1st party support, new AAA titles or fresh Intellectual Properties. Microsoft's focus was on everything but the most important factor for a gaming console which is GREAT GAMES!
Microsoft can have the xbox Console Windows edition where companies can build custom boxes that you install xbox Windows version. Opens up a competition market for companies to build a faster, smaller gameing machine that's has the console experience, or you can build a monter gaming pc that has a console experience.
How many good next gen only games are there on PS5? People need a reason to upgrade, there hasn't been a lot of reasons so far.
As a PC enthusiast and gamer I struggle to see how Sony and Microsoft's strategy of releasing games cross platform is going to lead to anyone investing in their platforms.. Whats going to be the point in owning a PS or xbox in a few years time when a $250 pc will run everything?
This is the issue.... so many live in the past and believe gaming and the world today is as it was 10 even 20 years ago.
Things happen in the world or in certain countries.... That have a knock on effect and damage everything, including gaming.
Brexit damaged many industries, Covid damaged many industries, the war in Ukraine, continuing to damage many industries.
It's been one ball ache after another.
Then the cost of living has shot up, the cost of developing anything has shot up..... combine that with games cost more too make now than ever before and it doesn't help, that actual gamer's today are so damn needy and whiny.
If a game focuses on story and game play, but doesn't concentrate on graphics, people moan it looks last gen.
If a game focuses on graphics but the game play isn't as good as it could be, people moan that game play is all important and not graphics.
If a game releases at 30fps, you moan it should be 60fps..... If a game releases at 60fps you moan they should give you the option for 120fps.
If a game is 8 hours long... You moan it is too short, if a game is 80 hours long, you moan it's too big.
If a game launches as a sandbox game, where YOU find your own way and what too do, you moan it's too confusing.
If a game launches and it holds your hand with markers telling you where too go and what too do, that's wrong as well.
You want NEW games, at AAA quality but ya don't want too pay for them, and you want constant DLC monthly and get angry when companies try too sell you in game items because at the end of the day, they are a company and want too MAKE MONEY.
It is getting ridiculous, both developers and gamer's are absolutely screwing up this industry, that is here for a fun relaxing time, yet you people act like what platform you play is a life choice and take gaming so seriously, s##t needs to change and fast.
I hope AMD gets some traction in the AI GPU market. Then they may have enough spare cash to be willing to stick at the gaming GPU market. If not, I can't see them carrying on with gaming GPUs. They need a huge investment in ray tracing and upscaling to make themselves super competitive. And the business case probably isn't strong.
They are actually making bank in chips for compute and AI. As a whole, AMD did very well. It is in gaming where they flopped.
Opposite to you though, I dont think is a good idea to pull money from the BU that is actually making money to finance a another broken BU.
My advice as Client Exec in the I.T industry, would be to sell that unit...maybe Intel? or even MS.
@@fernandomartinez4486 AMD is nowhere in AI. Their server CPUs are doing well, but they are basically zero re AI GPUs. And I didn't say it was a good idea to invest in gaming GPUs. On the contrary I said the business case for doing that isn't strong. But if they were doing business in AI GPUs like Nvidia is, then it would be a pretty small gamble to make.
probably why they aren't doing an XTX type this gen when it comes.
The tech used for AI gpu's has many applications in the gaming space and the prosumer space on PC. Look at how Nvidia has harnessed the power of the tensor cores that are used for AI. They have a lot of applications in games and even more so in the prosumer software space. Combined with the RT cores they have seen massive uplifts in many workloads like the 3d rendering space while also offering the best upscaling and ray tracing experience in games. AMD doesn't take the prosumer space serious enough. If they ever truly want to compete with Nvidia then this is an area they need to prioritize. Not just at a hardware level either. They need to work closely with the big creative software companies to implement and optimize for their hardware like Nvidia does. They have the money to do this now and they don't have to make it from scratch like Nvidia did. The likes of the 7900xt and xtx would have sold significantly better if they were up to scratch with the features and software support of Nvidia. Putting all that Vram on there was pointless from a purely gaming perspective but for AI and prosumer workloads it would have been amazing.
@@flat6crocThey are in AI. Read their financial report (I did). Not everything is gaming AI and seems thats what you defaulted to when replying to me.
I repeat, they are making bank in Compute and AI chips. That's the division that is actually growing, alongside Data centers and Embedded services.
No more cheap APUs for consoles.
Sorry boys, but cross gen still looks pretty viable wth the sheer dearth of quality new experiences this gen.
I am honestly enjoying collecting ps4 titles at the moment, not just from a quantity metric, but also the sheer diversity of games available.
And they're cheap.
And often physical.
Not happy with this gen, the abandonment of physical, the stressing of live service and microtransactions, lack of titles.
No thanks.
This is the reason why I'm happy with the state of PC gaming and many of the great indies and AA games out there. AAA gaming has already peaked and now declining. If Sony already started porting their exclusives to PC and PSVR2 support soon coming to PC then whats the point of owning a console at this point. You can even emulate the Switch. So really the only console worth having is a PS3 because PS3 emulation still has issues
The average Joe isn’t gonna bother with “emulation”. People want good games on a convenient platform where they can just plug and play.People also want games they can enjoy. Only Nintendo seems to care about the “good games” part recently. They spend less and still make amazing games. While Playstation spends unreasonable amount of money on every game to showcase its “capabilities” while making less games for the ps5
@@jaredcrane7547 Yeah, you gotta love those sub 20fps games nintendo has on a system that is not only to weak for the games they put on it but was to old and weak of hardware put in it for its release.
@@randysalsman6992 Sub 20fps? Except the extremely ambitious Tears of the kingdom which looks unbelievable on the switch. Has there ever been a sub 20fps game made by Nintendo? I ain’t a fan of theirs. But even I know they make the best games. Sounds like you simply have a problem with them. Also if sub 20fps was an issue, it wouldn’t have sold over 100 million consoles.
That is really bad news. But I have felt that this generation has been really underwhelming. I bought a series X and then sold it after Halo Infinite as Halo Infinite was not great and there was no other good xbox exclusives coming. I kept the PS5 and as many games had free PS5 upgrades I bought the PS4 boxed copy and played both versions. I struggled to tell the difference between the PS4 and PS5 versions. Even PS5 only games seem to be the last gen engines with little or no improvements to physics, destructability and AI. Some games like Starfield have all the AI and daily schedules removed from their NPCs making them shop dummies that hardly move. The xbox series x Starfield gameworld feels less alive than the xbox 360 skyrim gameworld. Personally I think GTA 6 will re-ignite the console market and finally give people a real reason to buy a new console. Consoles are media players and now the media you like can take 7 years to make.
✖️ Bad gameplay
✖️ Micro Transactions
✖️ No new ideas
✖️ Pay to win!
✖️ Unfinished games
✖️ Too much hype
✖️ Payed online multi player
✖️ Shills !
In ten years i don't see consoles being popular, cloud gaming will be more relevant, when you can game anywhere on anything you no longer need consoles. The biggest issue now with digital is the size of games are getting ridiculous, over 200gb, in ten years that might double.
Oh shut up party pooper. 😐 I still have my PC ready then.
I am buying a PS5 Pro, cause I got too much money, but why is Sony even thinking about releasing new hardware when most are playing older games.
Buy a PC
What is your job? Share some tips for a brokie here 😂
@sumomaster5585 Really not much to share. I am 50 years old, nearly 30 year career, house paid off, little debt, ready to retire, invest well, pension, 401k, savings. If I were to share anything it would be don't live beyond your means, don't have a bunch of kids you can't support and no matter what career you go into save more than you spend. That worked for me.
The fact that companies expect for there to be Constant growth even after their main audience has already bought one or more of their products, is sad and sick.
It's a sign that they aren't prepared for healthy spending habits in society and depend on addicted consumers constantly buying more and reaching new audiences to stay afloat. No wonder why so many companies unnecessarily fail.
They should be prepared for plateaus and drops once consoles have sold millions. When it comes to PC, AM4 is just so good that people have no need to upgrade, even with new GPUs (which is how producfs SHOULD be made) and it happens to fall alongside an economic slump lol. What did they expect?
My only reason for wanting a PS5 is now Astro Bot. Screw all the "live service" games.
I dont like the massive budgets and excessive lead times which they tackle by abusing their staff into "crunch" time. Forget this. I'll go backwards not £70/game forward.
Shorter games = less time needed to make it = more time to polish game = smaller budget = more games released = everyone happy? I don't say I would like to see again games with 6-8 hours campaign but it makes mi sick when I hear about another game with vast open world which require 60+ hours to complete it 100%...
About "new" consoles, I personally know people who still play on PS4 and they don't really feel need to buy PS5 because generation leap is so little and there are still new games on PS4. Try to show "PS5 power" to someone who is not invested into game graphics that much as we who subscribe DF. C'mon, there is almost nothing to be impressed. For average gamer modern games look a bit better than older generation at best, and some new games like Rise of Ronin, Dragon's Dogma or Baldur's Gate 3 looks very much PS4-ish.
Currently I'm playing Forza Horizon 2 and I was curious how much difference there was between Xbox One and Xbox 360 versions of this game. There was MASSIVE leap between generation. And now compare Forza Horizon 5 on Xbox One and Series X... Sure, there is clear difference but it's rather details, resolution etc. but new generation is rather mild evolution than revolution. Or I played Days Gone recently. It looks great even 5 years after release date. If you would change some blurry textures and swap checkerboard 4K to native 4K or even some modern res bumper technology this game would be great looking current gen title...
The problem which I have said time and time again is shareholders, if a product is broken or not finished they don’t care release it, they want their investment back, if gta 6 released now it would sell millions of copies, the demand is always there it’s the end product that is suffering because of shareholders. Microsoft don’t give a stuff about the console space that’s why they bought king, they know mobile gaming will supply fill any shortfall in revenue. Shareholders are poisoning the gaming space.
I can’t believe that a version of Talia principle 2 couldn’t be released for x1x like the first one.smh.
Switch is doing just fine lol
Oh wait, that’s Nvidia lol
Switch is for kids lmao
I think it's more of a game thing more than anything.
@@Im-ugly-AF spoken like a clueless kid 😂
The switch is just fantastic, love mine❤
Things are going to get insanely expensive if Sony and Nvidia are all thats left.
I personally don’t have any problem if MS published more titles as multiple platform titles. The play anywhere idea is fine with me.
The problem is not consoles at all. The reality is that most gamers today use their phones and tablets. Such mobility, low cost for games, and ease are the reason for this. The console is outdated by the majority of younger gamers.
They should come-out with a Super Ryzen chip for the new Xbox Handheld . Say hello to John L. wherever he is. ✌️
No mention of switch? Plug and play in 10 mins. Plus their games are better as in just pure fun. Also they are not closing studios and have been busting out new software one every 45 days. Yes a lot are remakes but that's because they are just filling out the rest of year till we get the new one next year. Just look at mario kart. Over 60millioj units sold and it's a 10 plus year old game and looks better then any other "aaa" game out there.
Their games are mostly trash.
It’s like mobile but slightly more refined.
I built a good PC a year ago and haven’t played a game in 6 months. Everything runs like crap and is kinda boring. I’ve bought some newer releases and honestly haven’t even booted the game up yet. Not to mention the newer consoles are sub 1080p/30fps. I couldn’t tell you any games that are dropping for the rest of this year and I’ve been a die hard gamer for over 30 years. Sad times.
Try getting 1 million on Robotron 2084, exhilarating !! (Twin sticks on a proper Cab preferably)
You just suck at picking out games, there are tons of great games out there. You're problem probably is you still think like a console gamer and only wanna play triple gay I mean tripla a games. So many great games are not and never will be on console so you'll need to think differently to find these games. Or you can start by asking some PC gamers what they're playing, you're an adult I figure so go out and figure it out.
There's finite amount of people, and they don't want to own every gaming thing.
I think tech makers behind the spreadsheet just don't see, that they are heading to that wall.
Western philistines exists to consume.
Looks like consoles have peaked.
They did, there was a time when Consoles were more powerful than PCs when it came to gaming. Then they became a little weaker but a massive bargain for the price. Now they're pretty much on par on the price but much more restricted than a PC. No real reason to own one anymore, unfortunately.
@@SpartanArmy117 Bang on point regarding then and now!
They peaked 20 years ago.
@@DeadPhoenix86DP
Yeah, everyone's still chasing PS2 numbers.
What I find insane is that people are willing to spend upwards of 1.5k USD/EURO every year for a new iPhone which is literally same thing like last year.
Meanwhile gaming console which can be used to play games and watch movies, that only need upgrading every 6-8 years at 500 is too much to ask for? They shouldn't be selling them at the loss in the first place. Industry is simply too inflated being budget of AAA or consoles themselves.
It could as well be a bubble waiting to burst, but we will see what happens...
Yeah I don’t think phone makers are doing to great either and they do subsidize phones as well so no.
Only apple is doing that, I read somewhere they alone make 80% of all profits in the phones market. As for why, it’s becuz phones are actually multipurpose and are useful. Further pc gaming acts as a deterrence for price hikes cuz if they are expensive might as well get a pc. Never,indeed how pc and mobile cannibalised on console sales
Apple fanboys aren't gamers usually
How goes those handhelds.
The problem is there is no new games let alone the industries setting it self for a crash with the way big publishers greed is ruing gaming. Cut content sold as dlc, micro transactions, unfinished games released, wokeness and the quality of games.
Gaming these days has lost its flare, taking years and budgets beyond only to be released with great disappointment. Need to go back to the roots of what made gaming great.
I bought a used AMD RX6700 XT as it offered better price / performance the current 7000 series in my £1000 PC. Progress has slowed. Affordable raytracing could make me upgrade .
I wonder if AI is going to end up being key here. . If utilized correctly, it could certainly help smooth out some of the issues with overpriced budgets, poorly optimized games, and lack of "fresh" ideas.
This is probably related to the decline of childbirth worldwide, less new people to get into it overall.
Specially in the more developed countries which is where most of the consumers who can afford gaming are anyway.
(At least the non Jack Sparrow version, if you know what I mean 🏴☠️)
Less money and less time for me. I used to buy way more games Stellar Blade is the last game I've bought at launch since Ragnarok.
Hardware upgrades are very small incremental changes make me less likely to buy any new hardware
It’s not just gaming though, the whole world economy is reeling from cost of living and high interest rates. It’s cyclical though, it’ll be back in a couple of years,
AMD can't do ray tracing and can't reduce power consumption. Those things matter for PC gaming. They will matter more for console gaming when the next gen turns.
Gaming world is changing fo sho....
For the worse.
I dont think the title is true tho... Amd is killing it in console/handheld space for years now..
the current Gen9 is the most weird and unpractical gen in 40 years gaming history.
They divulged their performance as an analyst.
This isn't the content I was expecting, but I'm gonna see what happens...
I hope you guys revisit the switch 2 leaked specs.
I wanna how this will go.
Not a hot take, but gaming studios have long forgotten what makes a game good: FUN FACTOR. People understand that games are fictional, and didn't always expect the hyper-reality current gen consoles are trying to produce. Graphics can ADD to a game, but they can't save a game. So many triple A titles (I'm thinking about God of War) are just straight up boring. I don't want a playable movie or novel. I don't care if I can see accurate reflections while swinging around as SpiderMan. It's such an inconsequential detail. Have you ever awoken on any morning saying, "where's my ray tracing??? I want to be drawn in. I play more Dead Cells than anything, and the PS4 ports have been buggy because Sony doesn't prioritize indie games. I don't think I'll even buy a PS5. I think I'd be perfectly happy with just a Steam Deck. Stop using games to showcase your hardware. Console owners don't care about hardware. They care about the experience.
Games always pushed graphical capabilities. The only difference is 20 years ago the graphical capabilities of hardware was very different.
As for GoW I enjoyed the heck out of it. Fun is subjective. What 1 person find fun can be boring to another. Which is why "fun" is such a poor way to judge a game.
Console gaming is being csnnsbalised by mobile gaming.
Furthermore some of the most popular titles like minecraft, cod and roblox don't require the latest hardware. This makes upgrading from previous gen less of a priority.
Hadn't gamed for 10 years, bought the newest X Box when it came out, very few good games and almost zero next-gen games, they sold me a pup, so I sold it two months ago, don't miss it, the end.