Paramo vices were first produced during WW2. Just after the Record Vice factory was bombed in 1940, there was a shortage of Vices. It dawned on everyone that the vices were of great importance for the war industry. Those two vises WERE used in the war effort that is why the quick release to help speed up production .
A standard ACME threat would put a lateral force on the quick release, causing it to disengage, just as you start to apply any real torque. The angled threads pull the quick release into the threads ensuring that doesn't happen. The more you torque down on something in the vice, the tighter the quick release holds itself to the lead screw. See what happens when to put something securely in the vice and you try to disengage the quick release. If it's working properly, you shouldn't be able to release it when it's under tension.
There is also a second angle on the outer face of the thread that allows the quick release half nut to ramp up the back of each thread. This lets you push the vise closed without pulling the quick release lever. It only locks in one direction.
Always liked you channel since I discovered it, however the dynamic you and will have is fantastic. Can’t wait to see y’all forging stuff when the shop is all done
Wil deals with elec-trickery the same way I do. After pulling it apart "I have no idea what I'm looking at..." The just fiddle with a few connections. And half the time it magically starts working again half the time it requires more fiddling.
I have a small vise waiting for a restoration. I've personally come to prefer just a good wire wheel treatment and buffing wheels. It lets me keep the age of the tool while still being nice to hold and optimizes performance. Not sure what I'm gonna do with the vise just yet. More than a little afraid it's gonna have a lead based paint. No confirmed identification marks on it that I can look up.
13:02 "My Eyecrommetre..." you gotta love Alec's word-isms? ! (Edit) I probably should have spelt it 'Eyecrommeter'? After all, a 'metre' is a measure of distance but a 'meter' is a measuring device?
Ah yes, good ole eyeball metrics! just hung a spice rack in kitchen, no level, no square just stuck up there marked the mounting holes...Voila! put a level to it after the fact, square and level! probably couldn't do that again for the life of me !
Coolant pump switch: Get yourself a multimeter (set to measure resistance) (or a battery and thin wire) and test between the switch terminals to see if the switch is even switching (battery and wire should heat up if you use that method, basically shorting the battery) OR you could just short the switch and see if the motor turns on, but that requires power being applied, which is unsafe. If it's not the switch, it could be the power supply: again, multimeter (set to measure voltage) the switch terminals to see if there's any voltage at all If it's not the switch or the power supply that's the issue, it could be the pump. Again, remove a terminal from the switch, use your multimeter to measure current, and see if the motor is drawing any. CAUTION: THIS STEP COULD EXPOSE YOU TO LIVE POWER. EXERCISE CAUTION AND SAFETY Basic safety with power: Don't use your bare hands to touch anything with power applied. Use insulated tools and insulated gloves
Basically, yes. The way to do this: isolate the machine. Physically unplug it to be sure. Then leave it for a while to let any capacitors discharge. Then, remove one terminal from the switch (at this point, the switch and supply to the switch should be proven to work). Then connect the multimeter in series between the wire and the switch terminal. Make sure the multimeter is placed so it can be read without touching it. Finally, plug the machine back in and turn it on. Most likely at this point is a reading of 0 amps (or very very low amps) because previous steps have indicated the motor being the fault. The worst that could happen is blowing a fuse on the multimeter. Just remember to never touch moving electrons.
I should clarify what each of the observed faults would be. Reading of 0 amps indicates the motor isn't drawing current. Either a cable is not plugged in right (between the switch, the motor and the return) or the motor is broken. If the multimeter blows a fuse, the motor is drawing LOTS of current, probably because of a direct short to the return line (or ground, or chassis, etc). Again, most likely a cable issue but could still be the motor itself that's the issue
@@piisfun most multimeters are rated for 1000V and 10A or 20A. If i am not wrong that should be more than enough. Of course, it goes without saying that you should check the specs of your multimeter before you stick it in the power outlet.
Hey Alec! I’m an electrician, just got a quick tip for you, those 2 “spade” terminals on the back of the coolant switch, connect those together, with a piece of wire, and give it a go. Could likely just be that toggle switch is buggered. Save calling your local sparky!
Setting up a new shop is SO much work! I've been working on mine in my spare time for almost 3 years now and I am still working on shop infrastructure and not actual projects! Keep up the great work Alec!
The shop is really starting to come together, and it’s so exciting! You two are doing a great job keeping level heads and getting through all of the hard work.
Glad you addressed the magically appearing slab! I was starting to think I'd missed an episode somehow! I'm really excited to see Will and yourself collaborate on something! It'd also be fun to see some challenge videos where you each try to make the best 1-day knife, best knife from halves of the same damascus billet, etc. Also a multi-meter is a must for diagnosing wiring problems. Saves a bunch of fiddling!
I have two vices very similar to those. The angled thread is called a "Buttress thread" and is used on quick release vices, mainly wood working vices as they aren't as strong as acme threads. The coolant pump on the saw is a circulation pump and may be just frozen with dirt. It may work if freed out.
I have a very old woodworking vice with a quick release. Cost me a £10 at a car boot 20 years ago. Best vice I own. Alec, I think you and Will are doing an amazing job it's always fun to watch you both. Will also seems to be getting much more confident in front of the camera. Regards from North Wales.
For the tight areas, they make dremel wire brushes that work great for cleaning that sort of stuff. Proxxon and Foredom make great rotary tools if you don't have the compressor and air setup to run air die grinders.
The ramped side of the thread means you can push the vice closed without activating the quick release lever, and the perpendicular side as has been pointed out grabs the thread without applying a radial load to the threads pushing the quick release pawl downwards.
Don't know if you've worked out the coolant pump yet or not but, put a screwdriver on the pump motor and put the handle to your ear. If it's running you should be able to hear it through the screwdriver. Works with boilers, should work in your situation. You might not have enough fluid for the pickup on the motor.
The band saw is the best investment you ever did. Where I used to work we used it every day and it is just a must have if you cut a lot of steal. Constant cooling and you adjust the speed of the cutting to. Auto stop and cutting speed adjustment is golden. We had a 20K € version, back in the days.
I have been around a car repair shop in Turkey a while and they just disassemble those things, put all the parts in a tank with diesel fuel over night, wipe it clean the next day (using hot steam with pressure), let it dry, then after oiling it with the linseed oil they heat it (basically like you do with a cast iron pan to season it) so it gets really shiny black nonsticky, then grease the moving parts and reassamble it.
those funky looking threads are the result of the quick release/adjust element of the vice you find the same thing on wood working vices it lets you push the vice closed and they will ride up and out the the thread on the nut and then lock and drop back into the thread when you clamp down
just to add my two pence, make sure you keep your rags with linseed oil on them in a lidded metal fireproof container as it is a definite fire hazard, prone to spontaneous combustion.
Hey Alec, glad to see things taking shape in the new shop. You're a big part of the reason I started forging in the first place so thanks for being so entertaining to watch! I really hope you end up having some better luck with the rest of your big tools, lots of challenges lately but they make for entertaining videos man.
When you said at the beginning of this video that you "love bringing us along for this" I just wanted to say thank you for bringing us along for this. I am just as interested in the rebuild of your shop in the USA as your videos of metal work. Thank you.
One of the aspects of running a business is that it never goes 100% according to plan. You are always good to role with the punches and keep an awesome and positive attitude. Looking forward to you doing some forging sometime in the future. As always God bless.
In machinery, the buttress thread form is designed to handle extremely high axial thrust in one direction. The load-bearing thread face is perpendicular to the screw axis. or at a slight slant (usually no greater than 7°] The other face is slanted, often at 45°. The resulting thread form has the same low friction properties as a square thread form but at about twice the shear strength due to the long thread base. This thread form also is easy to machine on a thread milling machine, unlike the difficult to machine square thread form. It can also compensate for nut wear using a split nut, much like the Acme thread form.[4] Buttress threads have often been used in the construction of artillery, particularly with the screw-type breechblock. They are also often used in vises, because great force is only required in one direction. It is obvious on inspection that a buttress thread with perpendicular face, operating in a split nut, generates minimal disengagement force when tightened in the normally loaded direction, and thus it is possible to derive quick release devices to, for example, allow rapid repositioning of the movable jaw of a vice without having to rotate the screw by many turns. A screw profile, such as acme, where the thrust face is not perpendicular to the axis, generates a significant disengagement force on a split nut, therefore a more robust controlling mechanism would be required. Quick release vices are readily available. It is not known whether any of them are currently using buttress screws. An expired patent for a clamp using a buttress thread exists and this article describes a vice whose screw thread is disengaged by reverse rotation, which is likely to use a buttress thread, however no currently manufactured devices of that nature have been found at this time.
Best grease for those vices is fork lift chain lube. either at a fork lift supplier, or a good lubricant supplier. It is tacky, sticks to every surface well and will build up a crust while still lubricating underneath. Alternative is bike chain lube in either spray can or bottle, the spray can is better as it is easy to apply. Spray lube will work on the drill press variable speed mechanism as well. Pump most likely issue is the motor is either siezed on the pump as the rubber impeller has not turned for a long time, or the motor run capacitor is dead. Take fan cover off and try turning the pump shaft, and see if you can pop the impeller loose from where it has stuck to the housing, though if it has it might tear and you will need a new one. If it turens freely then capacitor is the most likely issue. New one, check bearings and bushings, check connections are tight and it will work. Of course first check power is getting to the motor, using a regular voltmeter or better yet a test lamp.
Record vises also had those threads in their woodworking vises. The mechanisms are very similar to these vises. *running away as I have now exposed myself as a woodworker
haha nothing wrong with being a woodworker. I think woodworking and steel work do compliment each other at times. I've seen some gorgeous pieces of craftmanship that had both wood and steel.
@@Awrethien That would be a good guess, but for me it was when he did the production run of sledge hammers early on. At the time he was such a plucky fellow, so I hung around. Glad I did.
ALSO I’ve been a fan since your FIRST shop in the UK and this new shop build out series is my favorite thing you’ve done. Love the partnership as well. Cheers
The weird threads that you mentioned at 2:59 are an uncommon, but not unheard of, type of threading system in the CNC Machining world. I can't remember what they're called without breaking out my textbooks, but they allow much higher gripping force in 1 direction, with smoother release in the other. They're used for vice plates on occasion for that reason. They aren't super popular however because there's an increase in shearing force on any single thread, so an ACME will last longer overall
TheGraphicalArtist "It's better to have something and not need it, than to need something and not have it". Ask Jimmy Diresta if a man can ever have too many tools 😂
Can anyone remember how many episodes Alec joked about having? I'm enjoying them though. Is nice to know experienced people can have issues that the rest of us have with buying tools.
Think they are pretty much there honestly. Still need the mill and the lathe and they will have all the required tools. They just need to organize and finish putting it all together. I'm sure by February they will be back to actually making things. I'm kind of wondering if they will rotate the videos, they could release them more often if Will ran the show one day and Alec the next. I know Will doesn't have quite the screen presence that Alec has but he will get there. Besides it would be interesting to see them working on 2 different projects at the same time. Maybe even complimentary projects.
The old vice in my garage that I have had for years has a quick release. Just lift up on the handle and it releases. Not sure how old it is but my dad always bragged about the really old stuff and that wasn't one of them. I always took it for granted yet never payed attention to other vices I've used.
One of the greatest joy I have had moving to Europe is using the metic system. If you did not keep some metric tape measurers have some friend/family send them over, or if they won't I will. Keep using the metric system, you will save your brain from the suffering of adding imperial measurements. As always, thanks for making the videos, and stay cool as you are.
Quick tip for coolant mixture Once you add coolant and water, dip your fingers in and if you can still snap your fingers add more lubrication fluid as needed tell the snap goes away
Hey Will, the reason the thread is like that is because when everything is de-gunked, cleaned off and well greased, the asymmetric thread acts like a ratchet - you can push the vice most of the way closed up against the part you're holding without having to press the release lever, then you just tighten up the last turn or so.
So along the lines of things not addressed. Concrete aside... What's the deal yo? Are you immigrating and becoming and American? Temp visa? Or what my money is on is you and Will got married to get that lovely green card. Happy for you two but you should have told us. (it's on the internet now so it must be true)
But the real question is: Is Alec putting something aside for when uncle trump comes knocking wanting to build a wall around his shop and ask him to fund it?
Drill press: run through full range daily. Yeah right... Also, I'm so happy for you. It seems like just yesterday I found your channel and you were in what looked like a tiny storage unit with a dirt floor. It's amazing that you are now in a fantastic shop with a custom poured floor for new machines! I still miss the live streams though. I loved the relaxed style, no music no cuts, just hanging out with the sounds of the forge and the power hammer.
If you have trouble getting normal wire wheels into small spaces, buy a small brush which you can secure in the chuck of a cordless drill, it works very well.
5:00 TIP - instead of spraying degreaser directly on the item atop the bench, place it in a plastic tub on the bench first, so you dont skuz up the table with dirty residue. The tub will also let you spray the loosened gunk away with rinse water.
What does Alec do all day? I assume he’s doing something, maybe paperwork or something cause I know he’s a hard worker. It seems like all we see is will these days
@@marcuskurschat2417 He has a lot of stuff on the business end to worry about, this move has been a living hell so far and he always had to keep in contact with people afterwards
Been a subscriber a long time .. The thing I really like about what you are doing now is showing how to set up a NEW shop And overcome the problems that go with it ..Great job..
Alec, WOW! You're up to 1.5M subs! That's crazy! You just celebrated your 1M subs a couple few months ago. Another great episode guys. Keep it up. I can't wait to see the shop up in full working order, and your first major project once it is.
I think a collaboration with Linustechtips would be awesome. A custom forged steel PC case with the screw taps and touch mark vent holes And on linus' he beefs up the PC does the rgb herpes touch and liquid cooling. And other cool things. Plus leaves Alec open for PC game sponsors
Alec the coolant switch is run in conjunction with the saw . rewire it stop the blade coming down run the saw and turn on the coolant all should work then let the saw creep down to shut off both saw and coolant. :)
This is quickly turning into "Alec Steele: WTF happened to America Edition". Ship something, it gets dropped. Rent a building, specs not as advertised. Buy a tool, it's broken. Got waste, dump everything unsorted in a landfill. Weeks for wiring, months for shipping, any problems spend spend spend more money, more time to patch one problem after another. Everything needs to be done twice, thrice, before it's done right. Everything needs to be fixed before it works. Biggest, richest, most industrialized nation in the world, and it seems half the people there just don't take any pride in their work at all. You'd expect a first world nation to be more like Germany, Japan, Singapore on the business side of things. Instead, watching the videos after he's gone to America is giving me flashbacks to working in South Africa.
The problem is that society is brainwashed to do. Nothing and accept hand me outs. The liberal want us to be a communist so bad they cant stand it. The kids refuse to work for anything. The people that work hard are taken from and the people that do absolutely jack crap get all the benefits. This country has failed and lost it's way along with it's hard work mentality and morals.
@@mulisha0351Pretty much every other first world country on earth is far more liberal than America. Universal health care and a social safety net are so normal in other countries that its not even really thought about.
@@mulisha0351 I think you'll find that the USA doesn't HAVE what the rest of the world calls "liberals" or "socialists". It's generally so far to the "right" (on the limited right-left axis) that what the USA calls "liberals" would be considered almost "far right" or at the very least "corporatist" in much of the rest of the world, and certainly in Europe. In my opinion the USA lost its way when it started declaring poor people to be either mentally defective or a sign of a god's disfavour. Instead of it being an unfortunate but reversible condition that people can be helped out of. They're wasting so many opportunities by not just ignoring a growing poor population that has all the smarts they need, but actively making sure that any assistance or opportunities to get out of that hole are taken away. With a growing class of people that have none of the opportunities that exist for the poor in Europe or even much of Asia, or even none of the opportunities that existed in the USA only a few decades ago, it's not surprising that the country is having some issues. You're absolutely correct, US society has become brainwashed. But not in the way you thought it was. It's that horrible attitude that people without opportunities are somehow solely responsible for their fate, while the rich in your society horde their wealth and do everything they can to make sure they don't have to help anyone. Including universal healthcare so that people don't have to worry about how being sick is going to make them bankrupt. All while thinking that the greed that has permeated that society is somehow "good". Oh, and younger people in the US are more than willing to work - if they can find it. It's amazing how older people (and I'm one of them, and I've caught myself doing it) forget just how easy we had it back in the 70's and 80's, where you really could find work just by walking up to any industrial plant. Now, just FINDING those industrial plants is a problem, as most have moved overseas, and any of the remaining jobs have at least 300 applicants. Some of which have rich families and can afford to take many unpaid "internships" that are oh-so-kindly "offered".
@SwampCritter I live in one of those countries - Australia, we are doing just fine thank you very much. Socialised medicine is really no different to your socialised military, if you are comfortable with one you are comfortable with the other. Also I really dont think you have any idea what Marxism or communism is - you literally seem to think that anything left of mainstream America is communism. There seems to be no naunce to your thinking at all. As for the rest of your comment, I'm not sure how you get to racism from my comment. In fact I'm not sure you know how you got there either.
The wedged threads probably allow the mechanism to be closed/ pushed in with a ratchet effect. Like a spiral cable tie. So the switch doesn't need to be fiddled with like how those easy clamps work.
What happend to New videos every weekday? We know youre probably still busy with the move and all but would be cool if you could speak about that and how its gonna be in the future... There is much less coming from you since a while, so is it now more "a new video a week" channel or whats the montana- Steele plan?
The taper on the threads are designed to allow the vide to be pushed in with out the need to pull the trigger. This allows it to ratchet in but holds fast when you turn the handle to tighten.
Brake disc cleaner is your true friend guys! Solves off every type of oil and grease and it's canned in high pressure cans so it really blasts off the old grease while it helps with rust as well! Hit an auto parts store for it.
I really like you having a partner in crime again. Will is a good addition to your channel.
There is something nice about just having someone to riff with. Doubly so when he also is good around the shop.
Sorry if this sounds rude but are they a couple or just good friends?
A couple of real good friends
@@redclay4099 ...really...
David Littlefield lol had a thought, Alex and Will slash fic
Paramo vices were first produced during WW2.
Just after the Record Vice factory was bombed in 1940, there was a shortage of Vices.
It dawned on everyone that the vices were of great importance for the war industry.
Those two vises WERE used in the war effort that is why the quick release to help speed up production .
Awesome, i really want one now. i live in France, that should be "findable" !
Great history there, all the more reason to save and cherish them BY USING THEM! .
I am really amazed by this bit of information! Only one factory made such a difference? Amazing!
everyone takes vises for granted, try smithing without one! almost impossible IMHO.
DAWNED on them. dawn vices...
A standard ACME threat would put a lateral force on the quick release, causing it to disengage, just as you start to apply any real torque. The angled threads pull the quick release into the threads ensuring that doesn't happen. The more you torque down on something in the vice, the tighter the quick release holds itself to the lead screw.
See what happens when to put something securely in the vice and you try to disengage the quick release. If it's working properly, you shouldn't be able to release it when it's under tension.
There is also a second angle on the outer face of the thread that allows the quick release half nut to ramp up the back of each thread. This lets you push the vise closed without pulling the quick release lever. It only locks in one direction.
nice, i wanted to explain this as well.
Buttress thread.
Always liked you channel since I discovered it, however the dynamic you and will have is fantastic. Can’t wait to see y’all forging stuff when the shop is all done
animedrummerboy They forge stuff?
@@garyblessing2253 Yeah, the stuff they make is called forgery :)
Dang, i'm remembering barker street forge 😢 he's come so far ! I love it !
yep it was just like the shop I have now, my dirt floor shed, best place to start!@Lodogg 3323
I love that Will is like Bob Ross of Vieces
You sir, win the comments, in my opinion, today.
Veseis
Will is man of many vises
All vices are beautiful,
Let's make them birds... yeah, there birds now
Wil deals with elec-trickery the same way I do. After pulling it apart "I have no idea what I'm looking at..." The just fiddle with a few connections. And half the time it magically starts working again half the time it requires more fiddling.
I think this was Will's best 'hosting' so far in any episode on the first vice. Very natural and knowledgeable, good job Will!
There aren't TOO many things in this world that are more satisfying than restoring antique tools.
Oh @Curiosity Forge, that comment landed you a new subscriber!
I second that! 😉
HERE HERE!
I have a small vise waiting for a restoration. I've personally come to prefer just a good wire wheel treatment and buffing wheels. It lets me keep the age of the tool while still being nice to hold and optimizes performance. Not sure what I'm gonna do with the vise just yet. More than a little afraid it's gonna have a lead based paint. No confirmed identification marks on it that I can look up.
13:02 "My Eyecrommetre..." you gotta love Alec's word-isms? !
(Edit) I probably should have spelt it 'Eyecrommeter'? After all, a 'metre' is a measure of distance but a 'meter' is a measuring device?
Definitely stealing this one for work
Ah yes, good ole eyeball metrics! just hung a spice rack in kitchen, no level, no square just stuck up there marked the mounting holes...Voila! put a level to it after the fact, square and level! probably couldn't do that again for the life of me !
Tee shirt. Just saying.
In my mothertongue is called "ochiometru".. I thought it was just us that use the word. I'm from "Romania".
@Lodogg 3323 - I'm on my DIY survival phone I just made with prehistoric technology. Kidding... Android... At least it's not a closed device xD
Coolant pump switch: Get yourself a multimeter (set to measure resistance) (or a battery and thin wire) and test between the switch terminals to see if the switch is even switching (battery and wire should heat up if you use that method, basically shorting the battery) OR you could just short the switch and see if the motor turns on, but that requires power being applied, which is unsafe.
If it's not the switch, it could be the power supply: again, multimeter (set to measure voltage) the switch terminals to see if there's any voltage at all
If it's not the switch or the power supply that's the issue, it could be the pump. Again, remove a terminal from the switch, use your multimeter to measure current, and see if the motor is drawing any. CAUTION: THIS STEP COULD EXPOSE YOU TO LIVE POWER. EXERCISE CAUTION AND SAFETY
Basic safety with power: Don't use your bare hands to touch anything with power applied. Use insulated tools and insulated gloves
Are you advising him to directly measure current on live mains with a multi-meter? That's a horrible idea. Anyway, my bet is on burnt out pump.
Basically, yes.
The way to do this: isolate the machine. Physically unplug it to be sure. Then leave it for a while to let any capacitors discharge.
Then, remove one terminal from the switch (at this point, the switch and supply to the switch should be proven to work).
Then connect the multimeter in series between the wire and the switch terminal. Make sure the multimeter is placed so it can be read without touching it.
Finally, plug the machine back in and turn it on. Most likely at this point is a reading of 0 amps (or very very low amps) because previous steps have indicated the motor being the fault. The worst that could happen is blowing a fuse on the multimeter.
Just remember to never touch moving electrons.
I should clarify what each of the observed faults would be.
Reading of 0 amps indicates the motor isn't drawing current. Either a cable is not plugged in right (between the switch, the motor and the return) or the motor is broken.
If the multimeter blows a fuse, the motor is drawing LOTS of current, probably because of a direct short to the return line (or ground, or chassis, etc). Again, most likely a cable issue but could still be the motor itself that's the issue
@@piisfun most multimeters are rated for 1000V and 10A or 20A. If i am not wrong that should be more than enough.
Of course, it goes without saying that you should check the specs of your multimeter before you stick it in the power outlet.
@@piisfun what? Where do you even find such crappy multi-meters? The vast majority I have seen can easily handle anything in that shop.
Hey Alec! I’m an electrician, just got a quick tip for you, those 2 “spade” terminals on the back of the coolant switch, connect those together, with a piece of wire, and give it a go. Could likely just be that toggle switch is buggered. Save calling your local sparky!
Love the long form videos!
Not that I don't like the 10 minute ones, it's just that the 20ish ones are something special.
>20 minutes
>long form
That's youtube for you.
Setting up a new shop is SO much work! I've been working on mine in my spare time for almost 3 years now and I am still working on shop infrastructure and not actual projects! Keep up the great work Alec!
The shop is really starting to come together, and it’s so exciting! You two are doing a great job keeping level heads and getting through all of the hard work.
Glad you addressed the magically appearing slab! I was starting to think I'd missed an episode somehow! I'm really excited to see Will and yourself collaborate on something! It'd also be fun to see some challenge videos where you each try to make the best 1-day knife, best knife from halves of the same damascus billet, etc.
Also a multi-meter is a must for diagnosing wiring problems. Saves a bunch of fiddling!
Highly suggest the link belts that are segmented, they will make your drill press run much smoother! It's unreal the difference that they make.
I have two vices very similar to those. The angled thread is called a "Buttress thread" and is used on quick release vices, mainly wood working vices as they aren't as strong as acme threads. The coolant pump on the saw is a circulation pump and may be just frozen with dirt. It may work if freed out.
The linseed oil finish works better if you heat the metal abit, also put the linseed oil rags in water, as they are self flammable :)
its sweet how they met. Its nice watching 2 young en find love through metal working. its so sweet
Never understood the thrill in being 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc....but do understand the thrill in seeing beautiful restoration!
406th! My guess is some people live quite empty lives?
Myself I would rather come in later. But I like reading through the comments. If your first there's no comments to read. :)
Amen!!!
I have a very old woodworking vice with a quick release. Cost me a £10 at a car boot 20 years ago. Best vice I own. Alec, I think you and Will are doing an amazing job it's always fun to watch you both. Will also seems to be getting much more confident in front of the camera. Regards from North Wales.
*Beautiful result! Great job Will. "...You have to turn it like some kind of peasant..." LOL*
I LOLed too.
colonist*
@@Leofred2000 yes but we kicked y'all tush twice now didn't we
@@codynichols411 In what?
@@Leofred2000 umm in to wars both times the good queens arm thought they could get us colonist into submission I guess you could say
For the tight areas, they make dremel wire brushes that work great for cleaning that sort of stuff. Proxxon and Foredom make great rotary tools if you don't have the compressor and air setup to run air die grinders.
I can’t wait to see what your first major project ends up being!
The ramped side of the thread means you can push the vice closed without activating the quick release lever, and the perpendicular side as has been pointed out grabs the thread without applying a radial load to the threads pushing the quick release pawl downwards.
Don't know if you've worked out the coolant pump yet or not but, put a screwdriver on the pump motor and put the handle to your ear. If it's running you should be able to hear it through the screwdriver. Works with boilers, should work in your situation. You might not have enough fluid for the pickup on the motor.
Happy with how much more confident will seems infront of the camera! Look forward to see how you two will work together when the shops all together!
Almost there lol can't wait till the shop is ready and we can start seeing your new projects
The band saw is the best investment you ever did. Where I used to work we used it every day and it is just a must have if you cut a lot of steal. Constant cooling and you adjust the speed of the cutting to. Auto stop and cutting speed adjustment is golden. We had a 20K € version, back in the days.
Love the vice restoration! Will is a Vice whisperer!
He is a man of many vices
@@nosaint317 the vice whisperer needs to be a t-shirt!
I have been around a car repair shop in Turkey a while and they just disassemble those things, put all the parts in a tank with diesel fuel over night, wipe it clean the next day (using hot steam with pressure), let it dry, then after oiling it with the linseed oil they heat it (basically like you do with a cast iron pan to season it) so it gets really shiny black nonsticky, then grease the moving parts and reassamble it.
"could just be those Brits are Funky" hahaha great quote
You two have a very strong work ethic and feed off of each other. Will is a great addition to the shop. 👍🏼
Can’t wait for the Heating ‘N Beating to begin.
this
those funky looking threads are the result of the quick release/adjust element of the vice you find the same thing on wood working vices it lets you push the vice closed and they will ride up and out the the thread on the nut and then lock and drop back into the thread when you clamp down
just to add my two pence, make sure you keep your rags with linseed oil on them in a lidded metal fireproof container as it is a definite fire hazard, prone to spontaneous combustion.
Hey Alec, glad to see things taking shape in the new shop. You're a big part of the reason I started forging in the first place so thanks for being so entertaining to watch! I really hope you end up having some better luck with the rest of your big tools, lots of challenges lately but they make for entertaining videos man.
Yes thank you for the longer video!!!!
When you said at the beginning of this video that you "love bringing us along for this" I just wanted to say thank you for bringing us along for this. I am just as interested in the rebuild of your shop in the USA as your videos of metal work. Thank you.
I wish I had a penny for every dollar Alec spends.
youd be rich
Ya gotta get those rich parents bro lol
i want a dollar for every penny alec spends
I'd buy a lot of steel and become a better blacksmith. And propane.
Lodogg 3323, ok, Hank!
I love the way you two complement each other's skills, and I enjoy seeing tools being adoringly rehabbed. Well done!
The workshop's looking great! I hope you invite Adam Savage over once you're finished and got the forge set up.
One of the aspects of running a business is that it never goes 100% according to plan. You are always good to role with the punches and keep an awesome and positive attitude. Looking forward to you doing some forging sometime in the future. As always God bless.
Notification squad, where you at?
Love your work, Alec!
In machinery, the buttress thread form is designed to handle extremely high axial thrust in one direction. The load-bearing thread face is perpendicular to the screw axis. or at a slight slant (usually no greater than 7°] The other face is slanted, often at 45°. The resulting thread form has the same low friction properties as a square thread form but at about twice the shear strength due to the long thread base. This thread form also is easy to machine on a thread milling machine, unlike the difficult to machine square thread form. It can also compensate for nut wear using a split nut, much like the Acme thread form.[4]
Buttress threads have often been used in the construction of artillery, particularly with the screw-type breechblock. They are also often used in vises, because great force is only required in one direction.
It is obvious on inspection that a buttress thread with perpendicular face, operating in a split nut, generates minimal disengagement force when tightened in the normally loaded direction, and thus it is possible to derive quick release devices to, for example, allow rapid repositioning of the movable jaw of a vice without having to rotate the screw by many turns. A screw profile, such as acme, where the thrust face is not perpendicular to the axis, generates a significant disengagement force on a split nut, therefore a more robust controlling mechanism would be required. Quick release vices are readily available. It is not known whether any of them are currently using buttress screws. An expired patent for a clamp using a buttress thread exists and this article describes a vice whose screw thread is disengaged by reverse rotation, which is likely to use a buttress thread, however no currently manufactured devices of that nature have been found at this time.
I'm so jealous. Wish I had such a workshop!
Donn Aldak they are making a awesome shop, ain't they. Can't wait to see the mill and lathe set up
Yep, don't we all wish we had a couple 100k to spend on a shop
Alec, as much as I enjoy watching the forging I also enjoy watching the shop come together. Keep up the fantastic work ( you to Will ).
You need a parts washer cleaning station.
Sure it'd be handy for working on oily greasy stuff but most of the time they aren't
Best grease for those vices is fork lift chain lube. either at a fork lift supplier, or a good lubricant supplier. It is tacky, sticks to every surface well and will build up a crust while still lubricating underneath. Alternative is bike chain lube in either spray can or bottle, the spray can is better as it is easy to apply. Spray lube will work on the drill press variable speed mechanism as well.
Pump most likely issue is the motor is either siezed on the pump as the rubber impeller has not turned for a long time, or the motor run capacitor is dead. Take fan cover off and try turning the pump shaft, and see if you can pop the impeller loose from where it has stuck to the housing, though if it has it might tear and you will need a new one. If it turens freely then capacitor is the most likely issue. New one, check bearings and bushings, check connections are tight and it will work. Of course first check power is getting to the motor, using a regular voltmeter or better yet a test lamp.
That's what's called a buttress thread, Will.
redcloak63 is that the proper name for a female butt?
Dang it, Redcloak!
I was scrolling to make sure no one else said this, before i posted it!
Ive turned many feet of them on Manual and CNC lathes.
FLYING BUTTRESSES
@@nevahenuf soaring crenellations!
Your videos really make military life a little less stressful Alec. thank you for that.
Record vises also had those threads in their woodworking vises. The mechanisms are very similar to these vises.
*running away as I have now exposed myself as a woodworker
haha nothing wrong with being a woodworker. I think woodworking and steel work do compliment each other at times. I've seen some gorgeous pieces of craftmanship that had both wood and steel.
Dude, don't blow our cover, they didn't know we had snuck in! 😶😓
Best it was the damascus steel planer blade that drew you all in like flies to honey lol.
God damn tree carcass mutilaters. There’s something wrong with them.
@@Awrethien That would be a good guess, but for me it was when he did the production run of sledge hammers early on. At the time he was such a plucky fellow, so I hung around. Glad I did.
ALSO I’ve been a fan since your FIRST shop in the UK and this new shop build out series is my favorite thing you’ve done. Love the partnership as well. Cheers
Looks like you guys could use a media blaster.
The weird threads that you mentioned at 2:59 are an uncommon, but not unheard of, type of threading system in the CNC Machining world. I can't remember what they're called without breaking out my textbooks, but they allow much higher gripping force in 1 direction, with smoother release in the other. They're used for vice plates on occasion for that reason. They aren't super popular however because there's an increase in shearing force on any single thread, so an ACME will last longer overall
How close are you guys to a full working shop
At least 10 more episodes ...
TheGraphicalArtist "It's better to have something and not need it, than to need something and not have it". Ask Jimmy Diresta if a man can ever have too many tools 😂
First 10 more videos of engraving the vices with the microscope and setting stones into the power hammer.
Can anyone remember how many episodes Alec joked about having? I'm enjoying them though. Is nice to know experienced people can have issues that the rest of us have with buying tools.
Think they are pretty much there honestly. Still need the mill and the lathe and they will have all the required tools. They just need to organize and finish putting it all together. I'm sure by February they will be back to actually making things.
I'm kind of wondering if they will rotate the videos, they could release them more often if Will ran the show one day and Alec the next. I know Will doesn't have quite the screen presence that Alec has but he will get there. Besides it would be interesting to see them working on 2 different projects at the same time. Maybe even complimentary projects.
I have great results with Lennox blades. I also added a 2nd nozzle to the 2nd guide roller. Jet has a online parts order sight too.
Feels weird to stalk your channel every day for a new video lol
The old vice in my garage that I have had for years has a quick release. Just lift up on the handle and it releases. Not sure how old it is but my dad always bragged about the really old stuff and that wasn't one of them. I always took it for granted yet never payed attention to other vices I've used.
They are called buttress threads.
@@piisfun no but its a thread that allows the load to be spread equally along the hypotenuse.
Heh, no But :D
Piisfun *Snickers* Half a nut
@@McFingal I wish I was high of potenuse
I was once, took me a week to come down....
One of the greatest joy I have had moving to Europe is using the metic system. If you did not keep some metric tape measurers have some friend/family send them over, or if they won't I will. Keep using the metric system, you will save your brain from the suffering of adding imperial measurements. As always, thanks for making the videos, and stay cool as you are.
Furze did say you'd miss the metric system!
Quick tip for coolant mixture
Once you add coolant and water, dip your fingers in and if you can still snap your fingers add more lubrication fluid as needed tell the snap goes away
Does the pump need primed?
Exactly what I was thinking
looks like it. but that'd be very untypical. all those machines are normally "fill and go!"
Hey Will, the reason the thread is like that is because when everything is de-gunked, cleaned off and well greased, the asymmetric thread acts like a ratchet - you can push the vice most of the way closed up against the part you're holding without having to press the release lever, then you just tighten up the last turn or so.
So along the lines of things not addressed. Concrete aside... What's the deal yo? Are you immigrating and becoming and American? Temp visa? Or what my money is on is you and Will got married to get that lovely green card. Happy for you two but you should have told us.
(it's on the internet now so it must be true)
David Burson 😂
But the real question is: Is Alec putting something aside for when uncle trump comes knocking wanting to build a wall around his shop and ask him to fund it?
@@NoOne-fe3gc he is white...
@@emonvidaly Subtly hilarious!
@@NoOne-fe3gc Alec is putting money into the economy and supplying jobs. Plus he's legit. He's a good immigrant.
Drill press: run through full range daily.
Yeah right...
Also, I'm so happy for you. It seems like just yesterday I found your channel and you were in what looked like a tiny storage unit with a dirt floor. It's amazing that you are now in a fantastic shop with a custom poured floor for new machines! I still miss the live streams though. I loved the relaxed style, no music no cuts, just hanging out with the sounds of the forge and the power hammer.
So, when are you goin to build a new forge? And will it be a new design?
1320crusier hopefully it'll be a bit bigger lol
If you have trouble getting normal wire wheels into small spaces, buy a small brush which you can secure in the chuck of a cordless drill, it works very well.
English iron huh? More like "anglo iron" 😃
Could well have been ore mined in the UK, smelted using Welsh coal, and cast in an iron foundry using British made patterns.
5:00 TIP - instead of spraying degreaser directly on the item atop the bench, place it in a plastic tub on the bench first, so you dont skuz up the table with dirty residue. The tub will also let you spray the loosened gunk away with rinse water.
Pls do a butterfly knife in the future!
A butterfly knife would be so COOL
@Alec Steele try priming the coolant pump. Fill it from the discharge nozzle until the line is full, then engage the pump. Worth a try.
What does Alec do all day? I assume he’s doing something, maybe paperwork or something cause I know he’s a hard worker. It seems like all we see is will these days
He must edit every spare moment he has, with 2 producing content, it adds up fast.
Duh6666666 maybe but I thought he hired an editor/filmer?
@@marcuskurschat2417 duh, had slipped my mind. Cheers!
@@marcuskurschat2417 He has a lot of stuff on the business end to worry about, this move has been a living hell so far and he always had to keep in contact with people afterwards
Drew_Porter Ya makes sense. He’s dedicated
Been a subscriber a long time .. The thing I really like about what you are doing now is showing how to set up a NEW shop
And overcome the problems that go with it ..Great job..
Omg... I'm just a peasant and never knew it😭
Ranman Redpill yeah hello... is this the peasant support group? 🤔
@@timpinxteren Compared to Alec and Will we are all peasants. In fact I think I might be a serf!
Alec, WOW! You're up to 1.5M subs! That's crazy! You just celebrated your 1M subs a couple few months ago. Another great episode guys. Keep it up. I can't wait to see the shop up in full working order, and your first major project once it is.
When are you going to bug Adam over at tested for a colab Alec?
That really needs to happen!
@@mzaite maybe he could bug linus over at linustechtips or jay at jayztwocents to build him and will custom pc's
I think a collaboration with Linustechtips would be awesome. A custom forged steel PC case with the screw taps and touch mark vent holes
And on linus' he beefs up the PC does the rgb herpes touch and liquid cooling. And other cool things. Plus leaves Alec open for PC game sponsors
Adam Savage would love to do a challenge like a shield or gauntlets. That's his kind of thing.
Alec the coolant switch is run in conjunction with the saw . rewire it stop the blade coming down run the saw and turn on the coolant all should work then let the saw creep down to shut off both saw and coolant. :)
It’s ironic you need a vice grip to clean a vice grip
Just forged my first S-hook today in my first class. Thanks for being an inspiration, man!
So you could say vises are his... vice.
Deathbynature , they said that when Will brought his vices. Will is a man with many vices they said too. 😀👍
I have the same model of saw. My pump housing broke so I replaced it with a 20$ swamp cooler pump and now it works great!
This is quickly turning into "Alec Steele: WTF happened to America Edition".
Ship something, it gets dropped. Rent a building, specs not as advertised. Buy a tool, it's broken. Got waste, dump everything unsorted in a landfill. Weeks for wiring, months for shipping, any problems spend spend spend more money, more time to patch one problem after another. Everything needs to be done twice, thrice, before it's done right. Everything needs to be fixed before it works.
Biggest, richest, most industrialized nation in the world, and it seems half the people there just don't take any pride in their work at all. You'd expect a first world nation to be more like Germany, Japan, Singapore on the business side of things. Instead, watching the videos after he's gone to America is giving me flashbacks to working in South Africa.
The problem is that society is brainwashed to do. Nothing and accept hand me outs. The liberal want us to be a communist so bad they cant stand it. The kids refuse to work for anything. The people that work hard are taken from and the people that do absolutely jack crap get all the benefits. This country has failed and lost it's way along with it's hard work mentality and morals.
@@mulisha0351 you know, uk is far more liberal than the liberals in america
@@mulisha0351Pretty much every other first world country on earth is far more liberal than America. Universal health care and a social safety net are so normal in other countries that its not even really thought about.
@@mulisha0351 I think you'll find that the USA doesn't HAVE what the rest of the world calls "liberals" or "socialists". It's generally so far to the "right" (on the limited right-left axis) that what the USA calls "liberals" would be considered almost "far right" or at the very least "corporatist" in much of the rest of the world, and certainly in Europe.
In my opinion the USA lost its way when it started declaring poor people to be either mentally defective or a sign of a god's disfavour. Instead of it being an unfortunate but reversible condition that people can be helped out of. They're wasting so many opportunities by not just ignoring a growing poor population that has all the smarts they need, but actively making sure that any assistance or opportunities to get out of that hole are taken away. With a growing class of people that have none of the opportunities that exist for the poor in Europe or even much of Asia, or even none of the opportunities that existed in the USA only a few decades ago, it's not surprising that the country is having some issues.
You're absolutely correct, US society has become brainwashed. But not in the way you thought it was. It's that horrible attitude that people without opportunities are somehow solely responsible for their fate, while the rich in your society horde their wealth and do everything they can to make sure they don't have to help anyone. Including universal healthcare so that people don't have to worry about how being sick is going to make them bankrupt. All while thinking that the greed that has permeated that society is somehow "good". Oh, and younger people in the US are more than willing to work - if they can find it. It's amazing how older people (and I'm one of them, and I've caught myself doing it) forget just how easy we had it back in the 70's and 80's, where you really could find work just by walking up to any industrial plant. Now, just FINDING those industrial plants is a problem, as most have moved overseas, and any of the remaining jobs have at least 300 applicants. Some of which have rich families and can afford to take many unpaid "internships" that are oh-so-kindly "offered".
@SwampCritter I live in one of those countries - Australia, we are doing just fine thank you very much. Socialised medicine is really no different to your socialised military, if you are comfortable with one you are comfortable with the other. Also I really dont think you have any idea what Marxism or communism is - you literally seem to think that anything left of mainstream America is communism. There seems to be no naunce to your thinking at all. As for the rest of your comment, I'm not sure how you get to racism from my comment. In fact I'm not sure you know how you got there either.
Hey, thanks for always welcoming us back to the workshop. I appreciate it.
Alec throw Will a lapel mic, he feels like a second class citizen without a proper mic.
Thanks for the update on the concrete slab. Loving the timelapse shots. Keep em coming Alec!
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just took a look at my phone and saw this...
The wedged threads probably allow the mechanism to be closed/ pushed in with a ratchet effect. Like a spiral cable tie. So the switch doesn't need to be fiddled with like how those easy clamps work.
What happend to New videos every weekday? We know youre probably still busy with the move and all but would be cool if you could speak about that and how its gonna be in the future... There is much less coming from you since a while, so is it now more "a new video a week" channel or whats the montana- Steele plan?
@ebulating Wow, Do you kiss your Mama with this mouth??
at 12:30 the way you put the ACE bucket shows that you are indeed spon by ACE ... WHICH IS AWESOME!!!
Is that a Buttress thread?
According to one other comment in here it is indeed
Nice job Will. Nice to see s4omeone appreciate the differences in the two styles of vices and wanting to make what's old new again.
I. Love. You. No homo
EYECHROMETER! YES!
Next t-shirt, an eye with graduation marks across the lens, in metric of course!
I've seen that quick-release system before, have one in my home workshop, although that is mostly a woodworking vice. Same type of threading as well
The taper on the threads are designed to allow the vide to be pushed in with out the need to pull the trigger. This allows it to ratchet in but holds fast when you turn the handle to tighten.
Brake disc cleaner is your true friend guys! Solves off every type of oil and grease and it's canned in high pressure cans so it really blasts off the old grease while it helps with rust as well! Hit an auto parts store for it.
The thread on your vise is a Buttress Thread. I had one once that I restored and the lead screw was broken. It was fun machining a new one.