Ebay LED floodlight scam warning.
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- If you've bought or are considering buying an LED floodlight from ebay, then this video will show you some of the pitfalls. From unconnected ground wires to MUCH less than half the quoted power rating.
I'm not sure why it's so common to see the earth wires left unconnected. The fixture is mains voltage and metal, so it should be earthed, especially when the cable has an earth conductor in it. Although the LED operates at a reduced voltage, there is still the potential for water ingress, electronic failure or bad manufacturing that could result in the casing becoming live at mains voltage posing a shock hazard with the light and associated metalwork in the vicinity.
It's a shame really, because otherwise these fixtures are very neat and functional. The quality of the housing is quite good and the way the LED is mounted directly on the finned case means that it's temperature is maintained at sensible levels.
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Thanks to you i checked my five floodlights and found every one of them were not earthed, two leaking water through pinched seals. I have ordered new LEDs and drivers and owe you my gratitude as one of those could have whacked me big time.
Many thanks
"I don't know why they're doing this."
Money. It's always about the money. Always.
+phuturephunk lol -I was about to type the same thing
You can get the small ones for 3$ a piece
What the hell do you expect clive?
+phuturephunk And it's never about safety, so overheating can be ruled out as a motive.
+phuturephunk Indeed you are right. If there is one constant in the universe, it is people's motivation for and love of *MONEY*. Some will lie, cheat and steal to get it and Ebay is one such venue where you are GUARANTEED to eventually encounter such people, and I use the term **people** loosely here.
+phuturephunk
It's a lot more complicated that that. Nonsense/lack of understanding is a very powerful force, and it's not actually profitable. It's a labour and management problem, sure, and would take both money and effort to fix, but it's not "just about the money", it's about education and quality. Trying to blindly avoid costs will certainly result in failures of various sorts, but it's an issue of dereliction rather than it being less effort. For example, using faulty screwdrivers during assembly will not improve productivity, and it's a false economy. Refusing to use proper tooling doesn't result in efficiency, it's mean rather than profitable.
Putting a 10W supply and printing 20W on the box... I've seen worse. 128Gb flash keys labelled 2Gb with badly-printed Sony branding, which are formatted to show 2Gb via the USB controller. All sorts of malpractise & labelling-fraud is out there. It's very hard to regulate because Shenzhen's manufacturing industry has grown so fast.
You have a 20W light with a 10W supply and a 10W light with a 3W supply... so... put the 10W source into the 10W light and see what happens.
+Cristi Neagu yes.
+Cristi Neagu - I think there is a good chance that the "20W" LED is actually a 10W LED over driven to 12W and the the "10W" LED is actually a 5W LED. So I'm guessing that will result in smoke.
+sefton999 No, those are legit leds, but the quality might be horrible.
I think with a 10w LED, it would just draw 10W from the 20W supply. (If the voltage stays the same, it won't be over driven.) The wattage is kind of how much the power supply is able to provide at the specified voltage.
koenigscat That's the point. It would show how bright that LED actually is.
Basically, if you want 20W, buy a "45W".
Well whats so the mening Whit wringting it in the first place?
Take for instans you are a eletricinen and you want to really bench test a energi supplie but you dont give it engoth watt to really do IT becours somebody at the factory cant do math!
@@rambo8863 reading this gave me brain cancer
Or buy American just be ready to pay more the inspector has to eat
@@smash72cutlass30 Does America even make these anymore? They don't seem financially viable.
James Collins
They keep making them because people love cheap. But these particular models should be extinct real soon. However the new state of the art models out will get dumbed down and made like crap. And that’s how the world turns.
You're a unit of power Harry.
I'm a watt?
Lmao
Gave me a good chuckle
Why 1.1k minus thumbs. This guy is testing a product for all. The voice is clear and the video is sharp. Is the Chinese cornering the thumbs down market as well (lol) ;)
Because bulbs are rated in lumens not watts which is what he should be measuring. These may well be knock-offs of earlier versions and under rated or LED efficiencies for the same lumen output use fewer watts and these give out the same output as older 20W rated units. The case is metal and should be connected to EMT back to the main box so the box is at ground potential. The wiring ground may not be required in this version.
Viewer19, Thanks for the explanation.
Not a single led you buy draws the current its rated for..doesn't matter the brand or where its made
@@N-B-MMA Your info is way out of date and doesn't even apply to this 'review'. The rating is about brightness, application is about electrical specs and purpose.
@Steve Mclean Dear nimrod you are so off base why are you talking about driver selection when that included here. The metal case would be connected to EMT that would be connected to a grounded metal mains box so the grounding would already be made. Please stop trying to pretend you have any first hand practical knowledge. I have gone though three careers working with a wide swath of technology I speak from experience. One comment from me is not going to have any real effect on this YTs channel but it did bring out your 'know it all' lameness.
"Wireless earth"? :D :D
Well wireless earth seems like a diet death, you save money by killing your electrician when he needs to service them
Dead electricians don't sue for unpaid, overdue balances. lol
Is that like those wireless anti-static wrist straps?
the one "verge" guy was wearing? to ground himself
Wifi earth
Turn down 4 watts.
lol
Funny. Because there's a pop song called Turn down for what.
Ravi a thats why he made that comment
whooosh!
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Watching these videos is really quite entertaining and soothing. It's the kind of stuff I liked doing as a kid. Not messing with electricity or anything like that, but I used to take apart walkmans and stuff.
Im sure your parents "LOVED" you for it... as did Mine also 🤣🤣
Nobody's ever watched a movie where you needed to cut the yellow wire. Clearly it doesn't serve a purpose.
If grounds aren't needed then why is your house or flat, wiring grounded. How many fires do you hear about because of faulty wiring????
Clearly you haven't any experience in electrical or electronics to make a silly statement like that Mark.
If you had the basics of knowledge you would know what purpose an earth performs.
You guys REALLY thought that was a serious statement?
Mark,
the guy's right, an earth-ground wire is critical to safety--he just did not realize you were a very fast-working Asian electrician using Mark as an alias. There, now it's OK to keep cutting them and throwing into the copper bin for payday bonus recycling, they just had to know you were Asian first.
It's always the red or green wire that you cut. Or was it the blue?
"This must be the deluxe model".....lolololol
yeah I got a kick out of that. lmfao
it is not 20 watt it is 20 What??
+soton000 what?
+bingo bongo idiot says what?
+soton000 @ Watt write with big "W"
No it isn't - scientific units are always written in small letters. Only the abbreviation might be with capital first letter, and that is only if the unit's name is derived from a person's name (V, W, A, N, Pa etc., but m, g, l, h etc.)
The power supply is a 10 watt unit so is is a ten watt light. They lied because they can due to lack of US product regulations brought to us by our Republican criminals.
Part of me was expecting a map when he said "let's look at the earth".
Hahaha. XD
That is a very famous Chinese trick, half rating is not bad, I have seen a loudspeaker rated at a ridiculous 9000 W when it is really less than 90 W output.
Calbha Vaughn this one is not even a car speaker, but home entertainment unit.
Any speaker - car or otherwise - shouldn't be peak rated more (or less) than 1.414x RMS. RMS is purely the root mean square or 0.707. The RMS should be 0.707x peak. One thing I do see is that the likes of Argos when they do list both they say something like 70W RMS, 500W Peak for a 5 speaker system. They sometimes seem to calculate peak by taking the product of the inverse RMS and the number of speakers. For an individual speaker I'd expect *precisely* the product of the inverse RMS (1.414) for peak, always.
Before you start running your mouth, you really should know what your talking about. If your going to be rating equipment. Try an 80% demand. The dude is absolutely right it's junk.
speakers dont "OUTPUT" watts. a speaker's wattage rating is almost useless. the rating is designated by the manufacturer and is supposedly the maximum amount of watts per channel an amplifier that is driving them is rated.
speakers dont put out power. if anything, that rating would be 90 watt INPUT.
your point is true, though. just a pet peeve of mine from hearing people claiming their speakers are "pumping out 250 watts"! etc
Yes they do. Power = Energy / Time, and that energy does not have to be electrical energy. Sound is a form of energy.
Just like fake 20000 mah powrbnk
It just 2000
@Shiv. You must be buying the "fake" MI one's
@Albert Rieder "Write". Is it so hard to write _this_ correct? :-) Ever heard of a typo?
@Albert Rieder just FYI powrbnk is actually how a lot of Chinese manufacturers spell it on AliExpress and eBay.
0:41 "and... you know WATT?"
Oh that hertz my brain.
XD
STOP YOUR CURRENT PUN'S
go commit stop making puns
Ohm my god you guys need to stop
IM LUMEN MY MIND
Well done! The manufacture most likely cut back on the supplies because of cost, and temperature problems. Temperature fix would mean more cost for the case. They most likely figured that most of the users would never measure the light output or the current consumption.
This review is excellent. I watched some of the other videos done by this man. He is terrific!
Hi Jerry. Long time no talk.
very very dangerous, if it's not grounded.
someone needs to get these deathtraps of the market.
Report them to ebay and Amazon, FTC, state AG
agreed, one of mine nearly burned down my shed!
I remember when "made in China" meant something. It still does - cheap, dangerous and nasty
Iphones are cheap?
@@OscarWild_ cheap to make yes
@@OscarWild_ Build cost to Apple usually less than £250 each.
If you buy the Chinese stuff that actually cost some stuff let's say $80 then you will get good quality if you buy cheap you get cheap if you buy expensive you get expensive same with basicly everything not just stuff made in china
NON COMPERARE CINESE.
This problem has been around in led grow lights since their inception
Lol. Why did I watch this entire video?? XD
Patrick Adair mate, you didn't click on anything else during the six minutes and thirty four seconds.
OK2BCK hey thanks for clearing that up man.
watch?v=oYZD1sQBdlE
You should hook the 10w supply to the 10w LED and show us what it should look like?
good idea. Also, could the 20W issue be a 220V vs 110V thing? Like what would it draw if you plugged it in, in the US?
@@willdarling1, yeah maybe its made for 220v Europe, so 110v just makes it 10 watt output, so the chinese wont have to use diff transformers
I think China uses 240v power. Also possible that 20watts is its appearrant brightness (looks like 20w incandescent) while using only 13w of power.
@@Mcwidow I'm not absolutely sure but I believe bigclive is in the uk, possibly Scotland and so would be using 240 volts. What makes you think he was using 110 volts?
LED bulbs in the USA are advertised by “x# watt equivalent” but also state their actual wattage and lumens. A 60 watt equivalent bulb is usually around 12 watts for the LED.
thats why here in Sweden electric gadgets is called "SE" market :) (I own a electrician company, and i rarely see this china LED crap here in Sweden)..ps SE stands for Swedish proof guarantee and it means the electric gadget should be safe, etc.
Have you tried ordering one from eBay to see if you can get the crap shipped to Sweden?
yes and no..ive bought many things by ebay. but LED lamps i buy here in Sweden...sometimes the customer dont want to spend so much money on power LEDs and sometimes i buy high quality LEDs..BUT they are always grounded, etc.
the cheap one from China, etc. are also grounded & controlled (by Swedish law "SE" marked.
The china crap ships to sweden aswell and its just as poorly designed.
On a different note, could it be that the light is supposed to mimic a 20W bulbs light level but with lower power consumption and therefore its printed 20W instead of 10W? Not that it would make any sense to print it in watts, but ive seen worse.
Yeah, if ur ready to pay 5x as much. Just bought a bunch of G4 2w leds for 10sek/pcs. Measured to 1.8-1.9w each. Meanwhile you get one 1.5w on claesohlsson for 60sek.
This 'China led crap' is what is sold here in Sweden, it's simply quality tested when it's imported. Something you should do yourself anyways, bc not all the items are tested, obviously.
ps. Only idiots get their China stuff from ebay. Alibaba or Aliexpress is the way to go.
You can by cheap China stuff in Sweden, for example stores like Clas Ohlson, Kjell Co etc.. all buy their gear from China, slap on a sticker and bump up price a bit while still keeping it lower than quality gear and you get the warranty + safe (enough anyway lol) gear.
I bought something vaguely similar a while ago. The mains cable was like this one, so short, that it was useless. It was only when replacing the mains cable that I found it wasn't really earthed, they had stuffed the earth wire into the cable gland and hoped for the best. Fortunately however, when replaced with a proper cable, the light worked well and still does so some four years later, so it wasn't all bad.
Great observation! I just opened up a 10 watt one I bought whilst watching this video and - the earth (ground to us yanks) is floating, just like yours. The driver looks suspiciously like the size used on 3 watt LEDs (it has no printing on it), I haven't measured the draw as yet. Thank you for the safety observation!
3:48 3 screws "this must be the luxury model" LOL, fell off my chair at his comedy :P
yeah, American corporations that tell those china folks how to stick it to you.
Stupid short lead. Poor workmanship, reflector only 3 crews, Earth disconnected. Diecast casing looks alright.
+RODALCO2007 The case is actually worth the money on its own. Rugged enough to withstand the elements, and ideal for other electronic circuitry.
+bigclivedotcom Yes, the case looks pretty substantial. Just see a 4 pack of these 10 Watters for NZ$ 8 (UK4 quid) may get some.
Not sure it's really IP65 though.
RODAL. CO2007
@@bigclivedotcom So the answer is to fit your own driver and cable. By not connecting the earth lead, they save you undoing it before throwing that silly short lead away....
Those LED modules are of poor quality and lose light output much faster than quality ones, so they're doing you a favor by not driving them at their rated wattage. At least they should indicate the true power draw. Not having any safety certifications, I'd stay well away from them.
A 20 watt led replaces a 150 watt halogen lamp saving on your electricity bill and will help towards funeral expenses.
Alan Yates no. Hakogens are typically 1.5% to 3% efficient, where as leds are typically 8 to 10% efficient. Ie, leds give out 3x to 4x the light output of an undimmed halogen.
Nor Dic LEDs are 20-30% efficient, some even go to 45-50%
I have yet to find a LED fixture that can match the light output of my 500-watt halogen quartz floods which put out 11,000 lumens each.
BigDish101 just get a metal halide
@@BigDish101 it's actually not that hard to build something just like that with LEDs. Could probably put out far more power then that halogen lamp of yours.
Also I bought a Russian spotlight 50 watts for 1200 rubles, while works
The real sad part is that eBay is aware of these scams but refuses to take action. I did similar tests and then complained to eBay but was told just to return them...... When I expressed my concern to eBay about safety and false output levels I was informed it wasn't their problem. I guess its all about money now!
You are dead right with this. Not only is it dangerous, but it makes you wonder who is supposed to approve this stuff from a compliance perspective. In all fairness to ebay, they don't have the resourcing for this and I'm unsure how they could check things, due to the number of listings.
I think the answer is that people shouldn't purchase cheap items or possibly products out of china. Understanding the cost to manufacture versus the sale price may be one way to make a better assessment of the real quality.
LEDs been tagged for energy saving and longer lifespan but Chinese LED knockoffs do the opposite.
Their LED gets busted before making a break-even in savings.
mine did not even last a night LOL, it burned up really good, looks like a bit of space junk now and nearly destroyed one of my garden sheds.
We need 'Big Clive Approved' lights.
There are EU regulations and this is totally illegal to put anything like this on sale here. Just report those UK or EU dealers to the police. This here is a serious felony and for this they won't get away with just a fine.
There is no such thing as a Felony under either English or Scots law... The Criminal Law Act 1967 abolished the term in English law. The Police won't touch this - it's Trading Standards territory. And they're REALLY not interested until somebody gets killed or maimed or there are some statistics needing bolstered!
Hay Nonymous Federal law breaks local law.
I assume you're American Winston...
You will be surprised to learn that if you keep sailing East past the big metal lady with the ice-cream cone you do NOT fall off the edge of the world!
The video is produced by a Scotsman living on (correct me if I'm wrong Clive) the Isle of Man... Clive's valued contributions to the world of electrical safety are generally made with reference to the British system.
There is no such thing as 'Federal Law' anywhere on the British Isles. - And actually the systems of law here rather pre-dates the US system... Federal law, felony law.... All completely irrelevant in this context...
Hay Nonymous
You are assuming too much. Seems like a long time since you were last in Brussels, capital of the federation. Moreover was I referring to the dealer, not the Scotsman.
Herro! I am the president of the company manufacturing these floodlights. To answer your question we do it to save money round eye.
"this must be the luxury model" LMAO
The LEDs are also crappy and labeled over their real rating, so they use weaker power supplies to avoid burning off the LEDs.
''this must be the luxury model'' for 3 screws,nice one,made me laugh :D
Most people for some reason aren't able to grasp the concept of the ground that europe so affectionately calls the earth ground. The ground is for personnel protection here in the states. It's there incase the one of the hot wires, in this case 220 input which is either wire, comes loose or chaffed but mainly comes in contact with the case or body or metal of the fixture itself. If the there is no ground the fixture becomes live to ground. Anyone touching it will be in for a big surprise. GROUND GROUND GROUND! It's there for a reason.
I bought a case of these led lights and wound up replacing them one by one about every other month! Biggest load of junk I ever bought!
That's crazy, I thought that by under-driving the LED, it would last longer. I am now guessing that the power supply has been cost-reduced to the point where it barely works at the best of times.
my one blew up instantly due to a lack of ballast and caught fire, nearly burning my shed down.
This reminds me of when I was looking in to LED lighting a couple of years ago. Labelling standards have changed since then, but here in the US consumer LED fixtures and light bulbs used to be labelled with the wattage of standard bulbs of equivalent brightness.
Still do!
Fair point Alan. I manage the electrical infrastructure on 24 sites for a large steel stock holder. I stipulate that all lighting we use must be UK manufacture and check this very carefully. Buy British. Long term cost will be less. Upfront a bit more but worth it imo.
UA-cam Algorythm:
2014: Nah
2015: Nah
2016: Nah
2017: Nah
2018: Ye.. NAH
2019: HEY GUYS LOOK AT THIS.
Your very easy to listen to but also it kept me engaged for the length of the video, thanks
His
I know when I need quality and to be sure what I get I buy only locally where I can take it back if it is not what it is supposed to be. When I want only cheap I go for China. But when it goes sideways I do not complain. I tried to save a buck or two, did not work out, fine, but I took it into account it may happen.
Ebay explained in a nutshell.
LOL thanks for mansplaining Ebay to us.
I bought a 110v site transformer made in China. I ran it for years and had to open it up recently only to discover the same : a floating earth!!! None of my power tools had ever been earthed!!!.I found the same thing on a 240v extension cable bought from B and Q. NO EARTH! It had never been connected you could tell from the wire end!!! Had used it for years..This guy finds this! I urge everyone to check their earths, its so simple to do.
This is where routine PAT style testing (even basic meter and visual checks) comes handy.
totally agree
Especially on extension cords and non insulated tools, you (should) always check for ground, regardless of where it came from?
Same thing goes for testing a GFCI, be it wall installed or portable, with only the test button.
Just my opinion.
What's "earthing"? Do you mean grounding?
@@captmicha No, Earth and ground are not the same thing, Earth potential never changes but ground can be any voltage you choose. EG a ground rail might be 100Vdc.
Looks like they rely on the earth wire bumping into the reflector.
Maybe so, but it was demonstrated that this "technique" obviously does not work, at least not on this unit, so it probably doesn't work on over 50% of the other units manufactured. So they might as well just not even bother withthe ground wire and save even more money (but they don;t because they can save their ass by saying it is "grounded) even though it technically isn't. Besides, even if it did "work as you say, the ground connection would be terrible and not safe as anything vibration could knock out the ground connection. This is a bad case of "cutting corners" in a saturated market.
NunOfYourBiz Agreed
My 10w 12v is down driven and only draws 3watts. My cell phone tosses more light than my 10w.
I fitted one & it lasted for about 3 months. When removed it was full of water. IP65 eh.
Low wattage is good thing. Cheaper to run.
Lumens should be measured, not wattage.
They don't indicate the Lumens. It is not common unit between people and most of public don't know much about it. The Watt is what most people understand. So Chinese use popular Watts to betray consumer. They can not be trusted in anything.
Point well missed there-------------------wattage is a rating used to calculate wire size and circuit protection ratings. Amp draw is the outcome and number used to build electrical circuits properly.
No only that: about a year ago, I got 2 lights like that, seller and other sellers said "they were 20W lights". After opening units to confirm what they said, I took them to my test bench. I measured Voltage and Amperage going from its power supply to the LED light, I also measured its power supply consumption from 120 V AC outlet...In both measures NEITHER ONE was close to 20 Watts. In both cases, I got about 12 to 15 watts or less. Most of the time, they miss-advertise a lot of electronic devices because many buyers don't have the capability to test them.
A friend of mine has installed many of these led floods in a school sports hall (and not the cheap ones either as they are from a major lighting manufacturers) They ALL have failed some have needed replacing 3 times and this is over a 12 month period.
I think the bonding inside the LED is not up to scratch and the overheating causes the demise of the P-N Junction or wafer material.
I think they are rushing the technology because everyone wants LED lighting these days but I just don't think the technology for high power LED lighting is quite there yet.
glenwoofit You may be right. One thing's for sure: it isn't limited to just Ebay products. A friend of mine owns a 2yr old Audi where a DRL LED in one of the headlights has already failed. It's crazy. He drives on average maybe 8 hrs per week, which gives a lifespan of ~900 hrs. And get this: you can't just replace the single LED, you have to replace the whole headlight assembly. It's just ridiculous.
pesshau those fucking low frequency PWM Led drivers !!! made by fucking morons who know nothing
glenwoofit it wouldnt be on ebay .
it would be if u got a Cree CXA-XXXX shipped from US. i fucking lovem. but they are too expensive, i just use them where available energy/Heat is a major issue and 140+ lumen/W is a must.
but all around, those chinese LED are perfectly ok, there is nothing wrong with them. atleast not at those price points. LEDs are always being incorrectly used/driven and blamed for low quality.
Its a semiconductor, they all outlive normal people if not abused.
glenwoofit Look for UL or ETL ratings, if the manufacturer is certified by them, then you will have no problems like these
pesshau Hope that is not the $800 LED model.
I tried some of the LED drivers to change the halogen lamps in a fitting we liked but wanted to change to LED. Even though the transformers were being driven under the rated wattage they could supply they would thermally trip after an hour or so. Ended up returning them both.
Very good video! Well done and thankx for the review! Do you know any particulary product that do not lie and respect the technical specifications of it?
It's very hard to tell with online sellers.
Yeah! Thanks again!
I won a bid on one a day or two ago and told them that I would be checking if it really was 100 watt and within 1 minute of me sending the message they refunded my paypal.
Unfortunately its the all too common story with any cheap LED on Ebay. Thank you for doing this video, this product is outright dangerous.
They are junk.
Don't know what duty cycle they can handle but as floodlighting a workshop for a few hours they burn out in days.
10 years in R&D electronics.
Keep up the good work.
Never ever buy electrical equipment on eBay UK are asking for trouble
3 words. Made in China.
ive seen worse
cars made in USA pheewww they sucked balls until they just adopted European manufacturing technology
Yeah. China makes some of the best equipment in the world and 99% of the worst... The problem lies in badly educated, cheap consumers, governments not understanding or wanting/dare to stop this type of business. In the end China will kill all local manufacturers, resellers etc in Europe/Us if cheap, free shipping items continues to flood the market. Its a strange time we live in.
3 more words .. yellow skin cheats
You forgot when they have killed our manufacturing they will put the prices up and screw us for all our money , then they will control the west, we will become the slaves, only now we are controled by them .. Scray really really scary
Or maybe "Sold on ebay"?
I bought a 1000w vibrator that hardly tickles! Where is the justice!
Lol nobody thought that was funny
@@pedokillla 4 people did including me
@@pedokillla and isn't lol laugh out loud 🤔
john dell stop trying to make a point you lost bud
The case is definitely made of high grade chinesium, no need for earthing :D
Nicely made video. That floating earth lead is appalling, as is the damaged cable where the user would connect it to a supply. On the power rating (and this applies to any such fitting and testing)... I would ask whether the power consumption meter used was accurate at very low levels such as this, and also whether the meter accounts for the fact that the load may not appear resistive (an electronic LED driver is not a resistive load) and as such that would give wholly inaccurate power readings on a simple tester calibrated for resistive loads with a power factor of 1.
You sound so professional when making up BS...................shame on you!
Good video.I rip apart anything I buy from ebay/china and check all is good.i have come across the "wireless" earth a few times.
ever seen a floodlight like this with nothing inside it or one that has no ballast and instantly blows and catches fire.
You're leaving out the obvious fact that this so-called LED "floodlight" is not water sealed. There are no rubber gaskets which pretty much defeats the purpose of having an outdoor floodlight.
primovid it looks like an actual piece of garbage anyway.
What kind of exterior space would this be sufficient for ? Maybe a shack in the woods?
goalie2998 it could illuminate the front of your garden shed so you can find the right key and not trip on the step.
my one was an outdoor shed igniter.
Name and Shame. Tell us which Ebay seller to avoid!
What makes you think theres a single one or few of them?
Did I say there was one of them?
Paul
There's probably thousands. And once one gets taken down, two new will come.
You cannot control that.
It's like the companies that spawn on Amazon.com selling 1tb thumb drives that are like 16gig...or 1 gig...or 64 meg...and have an embedded program that keeps the list of files you put on but deletes the actual content as it is loaded on past the drive's capacity, thus making you THINK you did something wrong.
SCWfan06 ::: :Dude Scam Bay doesn't take down sellers with a million feedback rating.
Even if they have 100 negative feedback within two weeks they will still be allowed to scam.
Think about this, Ebay charges 10% off each sale as well as shipping cost (Most of the time it's free shipping) so if they sell ten thousand items world wide in one day, do the math.
Compound that by 1000+ Chines sellers.
It's the little guy that they don't care about.
This is the problem with eBay "bargains" if the price seems too good to be true then it probably is.
Also even if the seller is based in your country, just make sure you can't get the same thing from a Chinese based seller. If you can then it's probably where the other seller bought it from so will most likely be poor quality.
Well done..Theres heaps of dodgy electrical devices out there..Buy known safe brands or have (gain) the knowledge to check cheapo shit...Here is but one example: The swiches on some bedside lamps from The Warehouse (New Zealand) have crappy contacts that end up flickering the bulb therefore generating heat in the the plastic switch..GREAT JOB ON VID..iNFORMATIVE..THANKS
Isn't that wattage based more on equivalency of lumens rather than actual wattage? I thought using less watts for the same light output was exactly how they saved you money.
Might even be RMS ACDC levels.
Exactly my under standing and expectations. Apparent light output equivalency and not power consumption.
I dont believe they had deception in mind in this regard. They only lack good oversight regarding language and comunication to diverse markets.
An LED that draws 13W would be the equivalent of a 60-100W incandescent, depending on efficiency. 20W equivalent LEDs draw about 2W.
What engineering college did you waste your life at?
The earth is floating, I must be on L.E.D.
I have 50 of the 10w outside my house they are great …..I have the best house on the block …..what do you want for $4
I just can’t understand why they go to the trouble of making the light in the first place and then leave easily fixed problems.
Thanks for posting this. I bought a larger model of this light recently. Biggest piece of junk of all time. Ungrounded, wires too short, overstated wattage, motion detector impossible to retain settings, and finally, the thing failed to work at all. A complete and total rip-off. The whole unit seems to be made of the thinnest and cheapest materials possible. I won't ever buy one of these again.
"this must be the luxury model..."xD
Lets get it straight; You buy labeled 20W LED, You get a 10 W.
You buy a 10W, you get a 5W.
Now when you buy a 3 W, do you actually get a -2W?
That must be a big saving for the users...
Somebody needs to STOP ebay that brings all these junk to our life.
3W gives you 1.5W
+Sam Sen No no, what the label is reporting is equivalent light output within a certain spectral bandwidth in comparison to an incandescent light bulb. So, this is putting out the equivalent to a 20 watt incandescent bulb.
"heatsink compound" uhhh. You mean thermal paste? It's alot easier to say
Most third world electrical work is kind of hackey, without proper grounding on power points, polarities reversed... Etc.. Could the proper grounding be an electrical/electrocution hazard in this case?
Between 3:15-4:10 did anyone else hope to see +BigCliveDotCom remove those covers to reveal the "Earth" wire terminating in a small, (in)appropriately labelled bag of soil? :-p
Are you in the UK or EU? How would that pass the CE rating?
+Atristiel Easy. Just put a random CE sticker on and job done.
damn...
+Atristiel
Ah yes, the elite exclusive China Export rating
+Atristiel
The U.K is in the E.U....
+Atristiel CE rating isn't worth a damn. For most product categories, it's applied by *self certification*. It's a promise that the manufacturer can, on demand, demonstrate that the product would pass the relevant standards. You can imagine how often it's actually checked (hint: not very.), at least until one of these products kills someone.
wow, over a million views...
is this your most viewed video?
Not by a long chalk.
422 people sell these on ebay.
PS, a new way to do a "floating earth". :O
TechyBen ń
problem is, if you buy a 13W light from an more popular company it will probably cost more than this 20W chinese one
Maybe they're counting on the public's confusion regarding light power equivalents with conventional carbon/tungsten filament lamps - they went through a period of listing tree saver bulbs and LEDS as THE EQUIVALENT LIGHT OUTPUT to those, not ACTUAL POWER consumed. I bought a 300 watt LED like the one in the video (much larger LED array) but with some form of electronic pulsed driver - it failed after about 2 weeks so I went back to ordinary 300 watt bulb security lamp and after a year (the one I had previous went for 10+ yrs) its still going strong.
Always like that with led. always
i think the main thing in this video isnt the fact the wattage isnt what it says it is. its a complete shambles and ebay should do more to stop someone getting hurt
No it is the normal function of government to regulate commerce--------------but in today's Republican/Rightwing social construct there are no safeguards. Get the picture now??
*”I don’t know why there doing this”*
Well it’s quite obvious money and richery.
Yes it’s a scam but I quite well made one.
Earth left floating to prevent tripping when damp inevitably gets in. Sellotape round earth pin "cure" for tripping washing machine and (plastic) kettle. And possibly hastens need for Alan's funeral expenses!
This is exactly why i actually go to stores to buy stuff rather than get it online.
*Except if ebay gives me 5 dollar coupons to spend on 5 dollar flash drives*
"Wireless earth"
The lesson here folks? Only buy mains electrical equipment from a reputable supplier. As a tradesperson, I use a UK wholesaler who will check what they are selling. No reputable company would want to be caught selling dangerously un-earthed crap like this. And no bona fide tradesperson should be fitting it. If my customers need new equipment and want to buy it for me to fit, I have to insist on the option to refuse to use any item that appears unfit or unsuitable to use.
As for folks who buy dodgy electrical kit to install themselves, in order to save money? Its not such a bargain when some poor bugger gets electrocuted, or you start a fire. Do it right, or not at all.
You know it makes sense.
its to underdrive the led chip so they last longer
BULLSHIT ..its cheating pure and simple
Its done bye all the led companies cree bridglux they all under drive them to last longer only way they can guarrentee 50'000 hours life get a fukin life
Patterdale Zipsuzilil
Quote me your engineering degree or your manufacturing qualifications ..Your are a fucking idiot thats for sure
Fat idiot do something more constructive with your life
You fucking idot there is no such thing as underdriven. It is what it is pure and simple ..I repeat IDIOT
why does a LED light need ballast? It's not tubelight!
Because the LED use DC current, and the ballast is working on AC. Maybe it's better to say ''DC power supply''
It not only needs DC to run but also needs a circuit to control the amps. When leds get hot they draw more amps, which makes it even hotter...
By limiting the amps to a specific value you protect the led from using to much amps and the risk of overheating. Hence the led driver.
Hobby Electronics Aaah good old thermal runaway.
In the UK, mains power is 220 volts AC.
LEDs typically operate at 5 volts DC.
I'll leave the rest for you to figure out.
Could the floating earth wire be a cheap solution for the led to not keep glowing dim after switching it off with a single pole switch? In dutch we call it "kruipstroom", translated as "crawling current".
Hi Clive. Does the lower wattage output driver mean that the led is not as bright as it could be. Look forward to hearing from you . Don Codman.
Yes it does, but the upside is hopefully longer LED life and greater efficiency.
there are many things on eBay or Amazon they offer you ...for example....1200 lumens flashlight but actually is 500 or less.....
But these things are perfect to get cheap Aluminium housings for proper leds and drivers.
Yes they are. My next video will be about a 50W one.
I always thought the claim of 20W means the same as an incandescent at 20W. Would be interesting to compare the lumen outputs of each.
A 10 watt led is comparable to a 100watt incadendescent...
ofcourse the less u pay the less quality u will get .high quality will cost 10 to 15 times more so its up to u which one u want
LOLOLOL, its not the power draw silly!!! I have a 60W LED light that draws only 9.5W. Your video only proves that the LED device is not very efficient. I can guarantee that its not UL listed. Not to put you down, but you need to read up on LED technology and how it works.. Less watts used for more light output or LUMENS for LED lighting. Nice try though.
BTW, I'm going to buy a 10w one, replace it's driver for a 12vdc one. Then I'm going to make a pack of 6 18650 cells (in parallel) that are going to be charged by a solar panel with a step down and a TP4056. Then I'm going to make a dark sensor and use a step up to power the LED. :)
BTW, I'm going to buy a 10w one, replace it's driver for a 12vdc one. Then I'm going to make a pack of 6 18650 cells (in parallel) that are going to be charged by a solar panel with a step down and a TP4056. Then I'm going to make a dark sensor and use a step up to power the LED. :)
Why not take the transformer from the large one and try it in the other one which seems to be the correct size for it.
It's to do with money and profit. The drivers are increasingly expensive to produce as they go up the wattage scale, whereas the price of the LEDs varies little as you go up the scale. So these scammers can fit a 20W LED into the unit, legitemately label it as 20W but only fit a 10W driver and sell it cheap. It plays to the fact that these days the vast majority of people buy on price and not quality. Most people mistakenly believe that "it does what it says on the tin".
I have taken these apart myself when the LED driver unit, or whatever you called it, had died after only a few months. When I discovered that the metal casing was not earthed, it was a startling realisation for me - electrical safety standards are not being enforced! We cannot assume that an electrical item is safe!
That's what a UL or ETL label is for. To ensure safety. I guess they don't have those in the UK.