Chinese automatic house ignitor. (also available in pink)

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  • I guess these things must be widely used in China given their low cost and availability.
    They're handy little desk heaters with a heating element in the form of a quartz U-tube surrounded by a metal cage. The wattages are fairly low at 200 to 300W and they give off a decent radiant heat.
    These contain no safety devices at all. No tilt switch to detect if they have been knocked over, and no thermal fuse as a last resort if they are covered. As such they pose a significant fire risk unless firmly anchored down with a clap or bracket. I thought I'd take one to bits to see if the heating element has other uses.
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  • @exodous02
    @exodous02 5 років тому +2798

    Oh gosh, a bit paranoid? This looks perfect to balance on the rim if my bathtub to keep me warm.

    • @gloop3621
      @gloop3621 4 роки тому +312

      Just use a bit of Plutonium-238 in a pie dish, it’ll work just as well and it’ll also emit alpha particles which act as a disinfectant

    • @jakehildebrand1824
      @jakehildebrand1824 4 роки тому +147

      @@gloop3621 why in a pie dish?, wouldn't it be much more useful in the form of a sphere with critical mass?

    • @joaomoraes8644
      @joaomoraes8644 4 роки тому +117

      Just put it in your tub for extra hot water

    • @jagermantis
      @jagermantis 4 роки тому +21

      Well you know some people like not vaccinating their kids so you do you boss

    • @jakehildebrand1824
      @jakehildebrand1824 4 роки тому +72

      @@jagermantis i think you might have missed the sarcasm there.

  • @TheHutchy01
    @TheHutchy01 4 роки тому +621

    I love the way he says "It scorches them" like that's a design feature

  • @WardenWolf
    @WardenWolf 4 роки тому +888

    While you breath the fumes from the lead paint that's cooking off, you can go check your fire extinguishers and plan your escape route for when it sets your house on fire.

    • @jedrzejbiaokryty1925
      @jedrzejbiaokryty1925 2 роки тому +5

      Just dont order them from ebay to.

    • @Juppie902
      @Juppie902 2 роки тому +14

      that's the 200 iq strategy.
      my 300 IQ strat is as follows: once you receive this imbalanced broken piece of residence igniter , plug it in for the very first time in a public place, it's recommended to have ventilation but not required.
      e.g. your workplace (on a desk of a coworker you won't miss) or a shopping mall

    • @ThisPartIsAndrew
      @ThisPartIsAndrew 2 роки тому +19

      Going deaf from the lead? Won't be able to hear the smoke detectors going off, nice and peaceful, that's the way to go.

    • @Juppie902
      @Juppie902 2 роки тому +5

      @@ThisPartIsAndrew the key to using it properly and unaliving yourself is a positive attitude mindset and approach to lead poisoning. good job!

    • @SofaKingShit
      @SofaKingShit 2 роки тому +9

      The Chinese actually have a whole range of different quality products. Many are very good and extremely good value for money, my phone springs to mind, however people usually want their cheapest crap and they on their part are perfectly willing to provide them with exactly that. Meanwhile western corporations are still to this day quite willing to put lead in all sorts of products, including petrol, as long as those products are to be sold in Africa.

  • @GadgetAddict
    @GadgetAddict 5 років тому +1933

    The case looks identical to a USB fan I have. That hole under the sticker is where the on/off switch goes.

    • @skylined5534
      @skylined5534 4 роки тому +65

      Bloody hell! 😂
      www.primoproducts.co.nz/promotional-products/technology/fans-usb/nexion-desk-fan/

    • @transporttechnologykent5829
      @transporttechnologykent5829 4 роки тому +82

      It looks like the USB fans Asda sells for 5 quid

    • @wrongtown
      @wrongtown 4 роки тому +45

      Yup, I've had them in both USB and mains power.

    • @reallyhorribleenterprises
      @reallyhorribleenterprises 4 роки тому +12

      Same. Mine is a lovely green.

    • @bgregg55
      @bgregg55 4 роки тому +49

      & the fan version probably has a thermal cutoff.

  • @99nerka
    @99nerka 5 років тому +2184

    "Automatic house ignitor" sounds like lazy arsonist wet dream.

  • @clementpoon120
    @clementpoon120 4 роки тому +801

    1:17 just incase someone asked, the text next to the schematic says "The mini heater series is based off many heater designs and is designed ingeniously. It's beautiful, small, low power and high performance. It's also really convenient, "safe", low power, and is the best heater for homes, schools and offices.

    • @eva2602
      @eva2602 4 роки тому +86

      god, the good ol' thesaurus trick

    • @bbgun061
      @bbgun061 4 роки тому +68

      Is "safe" really in quotation marks?

    • @clementpoon120
      @clementpoon120 4 роки тому +79

      @@bbgun061 not in the original text

    • @kevinbean3679
      @kevinbean3679 2 роки тому +27

      Thanks for the translation, 2 years later.
      However, I just saw this item today 9-23-2022

    • @MDAdams72668
      @MDAdams72668 2 роки тому +31

      great for insurance claim
      I don't know what could have caused the fire I only use "safe" appliances

  • @ddbuch110305
    @ddbuch110305 5 років тому +2402

    This thing is perfect I’ve ordered 6 for my in-laws cannot wait till they arrive

    • @RetroPlus
      @RetroPlus 5 років тому +192

      I have a slight suspicion you don't like your in-laws very much

    • @ddbuch110305
      @ddbuch110305 5 років тому +64

      Retro Plus as do they

    • @ddbuch110305
      @ddbuch110305 5 років тому +77

      Still waiting on my my pink ones though

    • @dancollins4755
      @dancollins4755 4 роки тому +19

      Watch it the may move in with you!

    • @patrickbroyer5518
      @patrickbroyer5518 4 роки тому +16

      I'm searching for a list of everyone in my annuity pool. A free one of these for each should have a good payback.

  • @Muffin_Masher
    @Muffin_Masher 5 років тому +2646

    The complete and utter disregard for safety is one thing, slapping some foil and a heating element into a USB fan case to make a dollar is another, but they sent you blue when you ordered pink? NOT GOOD ENOUGH! you had one job China :P

    • @YTDeepshock
      @YTDeepshock 5 років тому +26

      For god's sake, the first point is what we come here for!

    • @friedmule5403
      @friedmule5403 5 років тому +106

      Yes I can imagine the sorrow, standing outside the burning house, the man crying "it was blue, it was blue""

    • @KC9UDX
      @KC9UDX 5 років тому +37

      Don't pick on the cororbrind

    • @patrichausammann
      @patrichausammann 5 років тому +4

      @@KC9UDX 😂

    • @aserta
      @aserta 5 років тому +18

      China is asshoe.

  • @williambrooks395
    @williambrooks395 2 роки тому +80

    What a fascinating mix of clever design solutions for individual elements and terribly unsafe overall design

  • @Nobody-U-Want-2-Know
    @Nobody-U-Want-2-Know 5 років тому +1330

    That’s an identical metal housing as my cheap Chinese desk fans.

    • @geogmz8277
      @geogmz8277 5 років тому +35

      X Files sounds intensifies..

    • @emilio2022
      @emilio2022 4 роки тому +32

      Hellar makes some 10cm desk fans with the exact housing, I recognised it too as I have a white one :)

    • @PontusRodling
      @PontusRodling 4 роки тому +45

      Yep, same here, little USB fan with a button where the label was covering the hole. Same blue colour even.

    • @michaeledmunds7266
      @michaeledmunds7266 4 роки тому +13

      Well, now you can one to cool off, and one to warm up! :p

    • @travispratt6327
      @travispratt6327 4 роки тому +14

      Michael Edmunds Yea just set the fan pointing at the heater that way when it tips over the flames will catch much easier.

  • @Jasa12265
    @Jasa12265 5 років тому +1092

    Big Clive: "that's an interesting approach"
    Translation: "this is dangerous and should not be in any product"

    • @kelakakku
      @kelakakku 4 роки тому +21

      Jarrod: "Big Clive: "that's an interesting approach"
      Translation: "this is dangerous and should not be in any product"
      Translation: "I know nothing about the subject matter and just assume that it's bad because I have to make a funny comment to get those sweet internet points."

    • @deelan_
      @deelan_ 4 роки тому +11

      @@kelakakku excactly, clive said it too. had they used solder it wouldve probably melted, and they were too cheap to do some wire connections, so they just used screws.

    • @kaikart123
      @kaikart123 4 роки тому +5

      @@kelakakku You nailed it. They should just go back to Reddit with their shitty "quips".

    • @CraftedEngineer
      @CraftedEngineer 4 роки тому +21

      @@kaikart123 you two are miserable as fuck, ay? we can see you're sad in life but no need to take it out on other people

    • @leomadero562
      @leomadero562 4 роки тому +15

      @@kelakakku crazy right, i can't imagine the internet being a place where people speak their mind and try to make jokes that kinda stuff should be banned
      /s

  • @ֆքǟռ-m5g
    @ֆքǟռ-m5g 4 роки тому +51

    Half way through I realize I’m watching you tear apart a $5 dollar heater. Not because it’s all that interesting, rather because your narration makes it seem like an extraordinary adventure into the unknown. 🌹☺️👍🏼

    • @bigclivedotcom
      @bigclivedotcom  4 роки тому +25

      With many Chinese products it IS an extraordinary adventure into the unknown.

    • @ֆքǟռ-m5g
      @ֆքǟռ-m5g 4 роки тому +1

      @@bigclivedotcom 😂✌🏼

  • @troyna77
    @troyna77 5 років тому +319

    As a kid I would dismantle everything that I could get my hands on. I find watching these videos extremely helpful and therapeutic. Thanks!

    • @B-System
      @B-System 5 років тому +21

      i can take apart my remote control, and i can almost put it back together

    • @troygrant5418
      @troygrant5418 5 років тому +3

      Me too, I would disassemble about anything. I built cool stuff too

    • @Florian00
      @Florian00 5 років тому +4

      I still do that, just seeing it work is not enough for me. I always want to know what's inside

    • @viktorprohaszka1538
      @viktorprohaszka1538 5 років тому +4

      And most of all, it is much less painful than the slap on on my bottom from my father for disassembling the TV set.

    • @specialed6357
      @specialed6357 5 років тому +1

      As a kid my brother would take apart all my toys and end up breaking them. He also took apart and broke expensive things of our parents including rare antique type stuff from grandpa that would have been worth a lot.

  • @ct1660
    @ct1660 5 років тому +580

    This casing was in fact designed for a 4" fan. These started off as typical mains voltage fans, then as a USB powered fan.

    • @jackhewitt7902
      @jackhewitt7902 4 роки тому +17

      Yes but they weren’t completely useless when they ran in the mains

    • @cdeer17
      @cdeer17 4 роки тому +9

      Yeah they even have them in the US fans using cages like that it's really funny though to see companies have them as their own brand with those cages when the cages are not even their design

    • @chinabluewho
      @chinabluewho 3 роки тому +6

      Makes me wonder if they wanted a USB 3/5/10 watt mini heater for a small cubicle setting but it didn't sell well so they upped the wattage.

    • @Fredgordonherbert420
      @Fredgordonherbert420 2 роки тому +6

      Ngl this looks like something 5 minute crafts would make

    • @joseph1150
      @joseph1150 2 роки тому +3

      @@cdeer17 The factory where I work has different options the customer can request, the suppliers for each of the options is different. But the mounting brackets are made in the exact same factory and are identical. Of course our internal part number for those brackets is different for each supplier for some reason... Our competition also uses the same brackets in their installation because they buy those options from the same suppliers and those suppliers buy their parts from the same suppliers.

  • @spetsnatzlegion3366
    @spetsnatzlegion3366 4 роки тому +93

    Finally, I needed something to warm up my pile of bedsheets next to my stack of printer paper in my carpeted, soft-furnished lounge with the gas pipes running across the wall.

    • @JoeOvercoat
      @JoeOvercoat 2 роки тому +1

      I find it works best when placed on the cardboard box it came in. For circulation.

    • @georgewills-ek1gg
      @georgewills-ek1gg 9 місяців тому +1

      @@JoeOvercoat face down?

    • @Dumb_Killjoy
      @Dumb_Killjoy 6 місяців тому

      Of course ​@@georgewills-ek1gg

  • @beezertwelvewashingbeard8703
    @beezertwelvewashingbeard8703 5 років тому +893

    Chinese automatic house ignitor? No thanks.
    Also comes in pink? Well that changes everything.

    • @Dudemon-1
      @Dudemon-1 5 років тому +8

      Good luck getting pink

    • @supersmashbghemming6445
      @supersmashbghemming6445 5 років тому +22

      @@Dudemon-1 Just order it in blue

    • @specialed6357
      @specialed6357 5 років тому +6

      @@Dudemon-1 to get pink, you just simply order a blue one. He got a blue one cause he ordered pink.

    • @specialed6357
      @specialed6357 5 років тому +1

      @@supersmashbghemming6445 ahh, we think alike, lol.

    • @sadhomie6192
      @sadhomie6192 5 років тому

      But you get blue

  • @DaveSomething
    @DaveSomething 4 роки тому +153

    I need one that works with Alexa...
    "Alexa? Burn down my house..."
    "Okay, burning down your house."

    • @filippopiantanida8792
      @filippopiantanida8792 3 роки тому +5

      Just leave it always on and have a smart socket connected to the Alexa. Perfect house igniter!

    • @W8iHav2P
      @W8iHav2P 11 місяців тому +1

      Alexa would probably just start playing the song by Talking Heads

    • @DaveSomething
      @DaveSomething 11 місяців тому

      @@W8iHav2P yes, yes it did

    • @georgewills-ek1gg
      @georgewills-ek1gg 9 місяців тому +1

      but i mean you probably have heard the stories where someone asks Alexa to commit sewer side or to self destruct. and then this happens : echo tap self destruct, initiating thermal runaway in 5 seconds, 5,4,3,2,1 peeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhBANG pop crackle crackle BANG!

    • @Onio_Saiyan
      @Onio_Saiyan 4 місяці тому +1

      Alexa? Burn the house down.
      “Now playing Burning Down The House, by The Talking Heads.”

  • @zipWith
    @zipWith 2 роки тому +64

    I especially like how the plug can go in either way, so that if you put the live side on the side that bypasses the switch a fault would make the exposed metal live even with this switched off

    • @SirButcher
      @SirButcher 2 роки тому +5

      @@Quadflyer1 This is why it is a good idea for switches to disconnect both wires.

  • @TheHelloki
    @TheHelloki 5 років тому +385

    I have a couple of desk fans I bought at Walmart that have this exact frame, rectangle cutout if for an on/off switch

    • @peterk1821
      @peterk1821 5 років тому +21

      Helloki My first thought when I saw this, it has the the exact same frame as the cheap fan I’ve got on my desk for soldering which was from Walmart. It was less than $10, I’m pretty sure like $5, but it was definitely one of their private label brands like Mainstays. Funny seeing it doing the reverse function (more hot instead of more cool) lol

    • @P7777-u7r
      @P7777-u7r 5 років тому +12

      Yeah these are cases for USB powered fans. They’re quite decent favs but must have had a quite a bit of extra cases they sold to whoever made these

    • @peterk1821
      @peterk1821 5 років тому +8

      @@P7777-u7r Yeah good point. For what it's worth, they are pretty sturdy little fans. That's interesting that you've seen them for USB powered models, the one I got from Walmart just plugs straight into the wall and has a switch on the back (you can see the cut out in the video for the switch). I'm sure you can probably find the exact case on Alibaba if you looked hard enough

    • @james_robertson
      @james_robertson 5 років тому +2

      Poundland sells fans like that too. Bigclive's favourite shop sells these fans.

    • @pauls5745
      @pauls5745 4 роки тому

      yup. same. actually as a fan it's solid, had mine for 3 years now. wonder what else they use it for...

  • @noelj62
    @noelj62 5 років тому +219

    We have 1000W version of these "quartz" housed heating elements here in Syria. The housing has the tendency to turn into dust inside. The dust accumulates around the heating element causing over heat and then a huge bang and then off.

    • @christiangeiselmann
      @christiangeiselmann 5 років тому +29

      I know the Bulgarian ones (800 Watts, in two separate tubes). They work very reliably. Only problem is, if you knock them over, sometimes the glass breaks. But replacement tubes are easily available.

    • @PodeCoet
      @PodeCoet 5 років тому +15

      I loved the Diesel heater we had in Syria, every now and again you'd get a gust of wind forcing itself down the chimney, and soot goes everywhere

    • @noelj62
      @noelj62 5 років тому +17

      @@PodeCoet At least the house got warm. The last time I felt the warmth of a well heated house was back in 2010.

    • @girthbrooks7645
      @girthbrooks7645 5 років тому +4

      Paul NJ you want money or something ?

    • @noelj62
      @noelj62 5 років тому +18

      @@girthbrooks7645 oh no. Thank you for your concern. Truly appreciated. It's not the lack of money. It's the lack of the availability of fuel ( Diesel and gas) for heating properly due to current war situation in the region. Most of Syria relies on Electricity for heating all winter which causes planned blackouts through out the season. In my area (near the center of my city) we have 12 hours of electrical power per day. Not to mention occasional power failures due to grid overloads.

  • @chrisrobinson7728
    @chrisrobinson7728 3 роки тому +26

    When I see the light refraction of the quartz tube, I immediately think “a string of LEDs inside would look amazing”. Now I want to buy a cheap chinese heater, and repurpose it as a lamp. Fun. 😎

  • @davids2448
    @davids2448 5 років тому +222

    So there we have it : a heating element containment pie dish.

    • @m101ist
      @m101ist 4 роки тому +2

      That's what it's use for, heating up small pies. 😳

  • @zaprodk
    @zaprodk 5 років тому +1182

    That case is 99% identical to the generic USB fans ;D

    • @HomelessTechnology
      @HomelessTechnology 5 років тому +53

      I was going to say that I have got one.

    • @jurivlk5433
      @jurivlk5433 5 років тому +57

      Yes, my fan has the exact same cage and stand! Crazy! That helps to turn costs down but is very dangerous.

    • @nestrac
      @nestrac 5 років тому +10

      Yep.. I got one off those too

    • @Alexis_du_60
      @Alexis_du_60 5 років тому +45

      It is, I've got one of those gadget USB fans, well to be honest, it's like they removed the motor and the blades and slapped in a heating element in it.

    • @patrickfinie4102
      @patrickfinie4102 5 років тому +9

      I bought my USB fans that use that same cage from the Dollar Tree and 99c store respectively.

  • @SwissArmyTin
    @SwissArmyTin 3 роки тому +109

    Yeah, those cases are used for little desk fans. One of Walmart's in-house brands, Mainstays, sells little $5 fans with that exact case, in multiple colors including that blue, which either plug directly into the wall, or have a USB end. The square hole under the sticker is where the on/off switch goes. They're actually quite nice, last a long while, though they have a tendency to develop a bad rattle after a few years.

    • @jimb032
      @jimb032 2 роки тому +2

      You overpaid. I got mine for $2. Of course jokes on me because mine sized up after a couple months.

    • @kirbyis4ever
      @kirbyis4ever 2 роки тому +8

      @@jimb032 for $3 more his multiplied it's lifespan compared to yours! On the bright side you can take your fan housing and turn it into a desk heater... just don't burn the house down.

  • @TorchyThePyro
    @TorchyThePyro 5 років тому +177

    This was a fan in a previous life. I have the actual fan on my desk in black, same style right down to the stand. You can purchase them in Walmart.

    • @rootbrian4815
      @rootbrian4815 4 роки тому +1

      I have one under the grill/cover in the washroom (replacing the fan they once had in the cavity, long since removed before I moved in). Works fine for exhaust purposes, though, needs cleaning due to dust, and lubrication.

    • @hugolbr2498
      @hugolbr2498 4 роки тому

      Greenshot user spotted

    • @ebnertra0004
      @ebnertra0004 3 роки тому

      I had one similar to this that ran on mains power that I found at a garage sale. Worked for a couple years and then died. No burned house, either

  • @jimlagraff4989
    @jimlagraff4989 5 років тому +27

    What a perfect way to keep your children warm at night. First a nice warm bath with the Baby-cutor, then nighty night time with this hanging over the crib!

    • @benbaselet2026
      @benbaselet2026 5 років тому +26

      Make a man a fire and he will be warm for the night. Set a man on fire and he will be warm for the rest of his life.

    • @tncorgi92
      @tncorgi92 2 роки тому +1

      Give your baby a nice tan in no time.

  • @GusCraft460
    @GusCraft460 11 місяців тому +2

    I do kind of appreciate this kind of absolute simplicity. It’s a heater that heats, and that’s the only thing it does. Not a single microchip or sensor, just a switch and a heating element. It really can’t get much simpler. It’s still wildly dangerous, but I suppose it’s slightly safer than starting a camp fire in your room.

  • @joshua43214
    @joshua43214 3 роки тому +155

    This would actually be a quite affordable solution for a 3D printer chamber heater.
    You would be monitoring the chamber temp anyway, and (presumably) have the system programmed to shut down on over-temp. Just replace the cord and you are good to go.

    • @Teddy-kv5ns
      @Teddy-kv5ns 2 роки тому +5

      The only issue I can see with this is that the heat from an element like this isn't very well diffused nor is it able to be turned up/down you might be able to make it have adjust able levels but some part of the enclosure might still be hotter than the rest

    • @zgrb
      @zgrb 2 роки тому +4

      @@Teddy-kv5ns it’s just resistive heat, so the heat output is directly proportional to the amount of power supplied. You could run it lower to heat evenly more slowly, although still definitely not perfect

    • @rich1051414
      @rich1051414 2 роки тому +1

      @@zgrb The quartz tube means this would be primarily an IR heater as opposed to primarily a convection heater. This would be worse in the case of heating a chamber. The quartz is used to minimize convection and maximize IR transmission as it's better for heating things directly as opposed to dumping all the heat directly into the room and heating things indirectly. But that is what you want in a heated chamber.

  • @kgsz
    @kgsz 4 роки тому +40

    I just spent several hours watching a maestro casually explaining basic electronics in such a wonderfully entertaining way. Thank you so much, sir!

  • @gregorythomas333
    @gregorythomas333 3 роки тому +90

    My suggestion would be to put an LED on up each end of the quartz tube (after removing all the guts) and use it for a pretty little light :)

  • @InceRumul
    @InceRumul 4 роки тому +70

    At least the designer had the sense to relocate the rocker switch from the back of the housing to inline on the plug for the heater (as opposed to the fan design). Much easier to turn it off without burning your hands that way.

  • @choknuti
    @choknuti 5 років тому +49

    Would love to see you hack it to bring it up to your safety standards. Might even be a series of videos. Buy cheap but not so safe Chinese electronics and modify them to make them safe.

    • @veraxis9961
      @veraxis9961 5 років тому +5

      I suspect it would be a bit of a ship of Theseus by the time he was finished-- different housing, different cable, different assembly methods. Probably the only part re-used would be the heating element itself.

  • @rich1051414
    @rich1051414 2 роки тому +11

    I think in the US, space heaters are required to have orientation switches on them so they will automatically switch off if they fall over. Most of them are really stupid simple, like a ball bearing on a track. Others have a momentary switch on the base that depresses when sitting on it's base.

  • @_simmac_
    @_simmac_ 5 років тому +283

    "I think it was described as a 4 inch, that's not really what I'd call 4 inch" that's what she said :(

    • @JasonHenderson
      @JasonHenderson 5 років тому +8

      It looks more like 9" to me

    • @llary
      @llary 5 років тому +24

      The sad face at the end turned this from a silly dad joke to a poignant missive

    • @josephchannel6514
      @josephchannel6514 4 роки тому

      @@JasonHenderson that's what she said

    • @voidc4
      @voidc4 4 роки тому +1

      If you turn that to a smile suddenly it’s a good thing

    • @danielch6662
      @danielch6662 4 роки тому

      the fan is 4 inch

  • @shelbyarndts8223
    @shelbyarndts8223 4 роки тому +15

    Honestly, you have one of the most relaxing voices of any UA-camr I've seen.

    • @EdyBraun
      @EdyBraun 4 роки тому +4

      The Sean Connery of Electronics Teardowns

  • @charlespratt8663
    @charlespratt8663 4 роки тому +7

    It's like having the sun in a tiny cage on your desk. Happy Ignition!

  • @HalvardSkurve
    @HalvardSkurve 5 років тому +44

    The square hole on the back at 3:22 is where the on/off switch is put when using the frame for a USB fan.

  • @autistictechgirl
    @autistictechgirl 5 років тому +68

    Thank you for explaining and talking through what you are doing in your videos, I am visually impaired and it really frustrates me when some UA-camrs don’t explain what they are doing

  • @akpokemon
    @akpokemon 2 роки тому +2

    2:35 HOLY crap At first I thought you were referring to the "10" people who died in an apartment fire recently due to the COVID lockdowns in China and I thought "WOW. That was SHADY." But then I saw this is 2 years old

  • @BRUXXUS
    @BRUXXUS 5 років тому +30

    The quartz tube is pretty! Reminds me of pulled sugar.
    I'd probably jam it full of LEDs to see how that'd look. 🤩

    • @benbaselet2026
      @benbaselet2026 5 років тому +2

      Hmm pulled sugar LED fixtures might be a thing actually?

    • @frogz
      @frogz 5 років тому +1

      @@sounduser and add a bunch of high power resistors so it still gets warm

    • @cashuma5010
      @cashuma5010 5 років тому +1

      . . . a real U-tube . . .

    • @cashuma5010
      @cashuma5010 5 років тому +1

      @@frogz . . . it is a REAL HIGH POWER RESISTOR . . .

  • @IncertusetNescio
    @IncertusetNescio 5 років тому +34

    Ah my favorite color, incandescent set-fire-to-everything-nearby mid-bright orange.

  •  4 роки тому

    Once again this man is a valuable asset to the people of UA-cam he points have the products the pros and the cons he also points out the safety aspects and likes to inform and help people make decisions on using such devices that could end up up causing fire or injury or maybe even death to some people it is good to have someone who informs the public who is unbiased and gives a balanced view of the products is reviewing

  • @rebelreese5363
    @rebelreese5363 5 років тому +6

    I bought a 4” fan - Made in China - that appears to exactly the same framework and housing even down to the blue color small and small, rectangular cutout on the back that is home to a rocker-type ON-OFF switch. Thanks for all the videos you put together. I thoroughly enjoy watching them!

  • @Name-ps9fx
    @Name-ps9fx 5 років тому +28

    I like how you have a perhaps a...sinister...tone when you say, “That has some.. *other* ...uses.”

  • @notoriousgoblin83
    @notoriousgoblin83 2 роки тому

    I respect the clever person who made this and really hope someone teaches them basic health and safety

  • @Stoic_Lizard
    @Stoic_Lizard 5 років тому +103

    When I lived in an apartment I would sometimes lie awake at night terrified that other tenants would be stupid enough to use things like this and burn down my life because of it.
    Things like shoddy hotplates, heaters etc.

    • @Agent24Electronics
      @Agent24Electronics 5 років тому +15

      This is why I never want to live in an apartment.

    • @SigEpBlue
      @SigEpBlue 5 років тому +5

      I still occasionally worry about this, but a) renter's insurance is good sense, b) my new landlord banned them (thankfully) with a line in the contract that basically says if you're caught with one or cause fire/damage with an electric heater, you're insta-evicted. This is a building with an old-school boiler for heat, there's really no need for them, anyway.

    • @RS-ls7mm
      @RS-ls7mm 5 років тому +5

      You get to meet all kinds of people in an apartment. Good and bad. Just shows people don't have the same values as you, something a lot of people just don't get. I got lucky since apartments are so expensive where I lived that most were well educated.

    • @yfs9035
      @yfs9035 5 років тому +9

      personally i just use a couple wires out the wall to heat my soup, gotta do what you gotta do when your landlord doesn't do anything about the stoves.

    • @KomiyanVT
      @KomiyanVT 5 років тому +1

      Yeah, and fire travels up, so being on the top-floor is always fun...
      Then again, i also tend to worry if my apartment is going to be the one to get 'lit', due to all the lithium batteries i've got, and power supplies charging them etc.

  • @salami99
    @salami99 5 років тому +67

    WOW that circuit diagram was something pulled from my high school physics homework.
    I got C in that too

    • @cat-.-
      @cat-.- 4 роки тому +4

      Idk what else you expect lol. You want a resistive load you get a resistive load. The switch is bonus.

  • @lifeofbean2556
    @lifeofbean2556 4 роки тому +12

    I used to have a fan that had the exact casing. Can confirm this was originally a fan that got bodged into a heater.
    You can still get them at WalMart here in the states. And the quality of the fans is on par with this.

  • @l3p3
    @l3p3 5 років тому +37

    12:08 We are just writing history here when Clive solves a calculation without a calculator!

  • @jim40135
    @jim40135 5 років тому +61

    That quartz tube is just begging to have some kind of LED filament installed... ;)

  • @Elder650
    @Elder650 2 роки тому +1

    I was laughing and surprised after reading the video title “automatic house ignitor” but after watching it I’m sure it’s a “automatic house igniter” 😂😂

  • @jsnsk101
    @jsnsk101 5 років тому +151

    "While browsing for other things"
    That describes almost everything i buy of ebay lately

    • @badscrewold3162
      @badscrewold3162 5 років тому +3

      You tell me!
      I have bought 3 cassette decks this year browsing for "other things"...

    • @FSM_Reviews
      @FSM_Reviews 5 років тому

      @@badscrewold3162 What were those cassette decks, by any chance?

    • @badscrewold3162
      @badscrewold3162 5 років тому

      @@FSM_Reviews cheap crap fortunately :)
      TEAC 430, Akai CS f-11, and Something-Sony from the 90's

  • @colinwilson210
    @colinwilson210 5 років тому +101

    I bought two pet bed heaters from Aliexpress recently, had one plugged in, the dog managed to fold the mat slightly, and when I went to straighten it up, I noticed scorch marks... there was also a crunchy effect, and upon ripping it apart, the insulation had burned back into small crunchy lumps leaving the exposed live element (if it was plugged in). Very much a fire risk, and a good chance of there being an electrocution risk if a damp dog lay on it. I've got the second still bagged up if BigClive wants to do a tear-down.

    • @joinedupjon
      @joinedupjon 5 років тому +17

      The Dog-o-cuter...
      Sister had a repurable dog bed heater, the dog chewed through the mains flex... Dog survived but wouldn't go near it after I'd repaired the cable.

    • @startazz
      @startazz 5 років тому +1

      Maybe you could send it into Clive,i'm sure he would love to take a good look at it,sound's like what i use to use to heat up my snakes and lizards back in the day,but they were bear as you had to put sand or some of that wood mulch on top,it didn't get hot enough to burn the mulch but close i'm guessing,never used it in the end because i always worried that the snake or lizard would fall asleep on it and then burn it's self.
      Used heated lamps in the end,much safer when used right,meaning you had to enclose the lamp inside a wire/mesh guard.

    • @YodaWhat
      @YodaWhat 5 років тому +9

      @@joinedupjon - I used to know a cat that liked to run for the old landline telephone when it rang, as if to answer, which was funny enough, but the real reason was to chew on the telephone cord *_while the phone was ringing,_* which means 100 volts AC at 20 Hz. Even in the animal kingdom, _it takes all kinds!_

    • @deadaccount6135
      @deadaccount6135 5 років тому +1

      @@YodaWhat um, no hate, but go back to electrical school... telephone wire is ' low voltage. '

    • @robertstredde6798
      @robertstredde6798 5 років тому +10

      John Smith Wrong. Ringing voltage is, in fact, 100v 20hz, most places in the world. Talk battery on the line is 48vdc.

  • @shizoor
    @shizoor 2 роки тому +4

    I had a big one of these during some freak weather conditions in Beijing. If you use one too close you can end up with Erythema ab igne, a form of burn from excessive infra red.

  • @johnamy117
    @johnamy117 5 років тому +162

    There is a word for that tink sound that cooling metal things make - crepitation .

    • @deividasrusenas3403
      @deividasrusenas3403 5 років тому +1

      The sound in this case is the sound of a relay clacking

    • @johncrowerdoe5527
      @johncrowerdoe5527 5 років тому +26

      @@deividasrusenas3403 No relay! Just heat expansion in reverse all over the gadget. Living with electrical heating one gets used to the sound of ones own panels.

    • @Gribbo9999
      @Gribbo9999 5 років тому +18

      My knees, being very arthritic make creaky sounds called "crepitus". They are very decrepid. Good language English.

    • @yfs9035
      @yfs9035 5 років тому +3

      i prefer 'contractions'

    • @Flashy7
      @Flashy7 5 років тому +9

      then I would rather stick with "tink" instead :)

  • @Bert2368
    @Bert2368 5 років тому +21

    Word you are looking for to describe the quartz tube appearance might be "chatoyance".
    Chinese home appliance, dual purpose! Also functions as a cheap, effective urban renewal facilitation device, populations control functions too...

    • @raykent3211
      @raykent3211 5 років тому +2

      Êtes-vous français? Are you french, or has the word been adopted in English? It's just right. I thought of opalescent, but that implies more coloration. So yep, chatoyant it is, derived from sparkling reflections in a cat's eye.

    • @PhilBoswell
      @PhilBoswell 5 років тому +1

      Well spotted, nice one: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chatoyancy

    • @Bert2368
      @Bert2368 5 років тому +3

      @@raykent3211
      Je suis Americaine, but the word has been adopted across cultures in gemology/geology. English is a bastard language, perhaps 60% of it is "loan words".

  • @Cam-wu9jw
    @Cam-wu9jw 11 місяців тому

    This will make a perfect gift for my sons! One wants to be an electrical engineer and the other wants to be an architect.

  • @BG101UK
    @BG101UK 4 роки тому +10

    Those cable restrainers were known as "Heyco" and we used them on our metal-cased chargers where I worked some years back. They came in at least 2 sizes and I have a couple of pairs of Heyco-branded pliers for inserting and removing them.
    They are a good design really in that they are so difficult to remove (even with the proper tools). So many cable restraints are ineffective, but not sure how they would deal with prolonged heat exposure e.g. if the heater was covered.

  • @johnmorgan1629
    @johnmorgan1629 5 років тому +62

    Stick a LED strip through the quartz tube, could make for an interesting effect.

    • @imho2278
      @imho2278 4 роки тому

      Add a controller, and nice effects!

  • @freggo6604
    @freggo6604 4 роки тому +6

    Love this channel! I can see Clive working in the morgue . . . "quite interesting to taking apart" . . . 'may have some useful bits' ... :-)

  • @maniacaudiophile
    @maniacaudiophile 5 років тому +22

    Yes, it was a repurposed USB fan cage. I used to have that USB fan.

  • @timm1834
    @timm1834 5 років тому +14

    The quartz tube and some colored LEDS would make an interesting light

  • @zakelijke-portretten
    @zakelijke-portretten 4 роки тому +1

    3:25 yes you are right! I have one and it’s a USB desk fan. In the rectangle is the on/off switch. And in the holes screws to mount the motor. It’s from the same factory specialised in heating and cooling I guess :)

  • @mouserat2545
    @mouserat2545 5 років тому +78

    Oh good, I was hoping this thing might appeal to my feminine sensibility while I choke on noxious fumes from the burning paint on my desk.

  • @bphenry
    @bphenry 5 років тому +44

    9:50 - "That diffused mother of pearl look..." is called chatoyancy. Just FYI.

    • @Stettafire
      @Stettafire 4 роки тому +2

      How do you pronounce it?

    • @cameroneridan4558
      @cameroneridan4558 4 роки тому +6

      @@Stettafire shuh-TOY-uhn-see, hope the sound-spelling makes sense. It's the French "chat," I'm guessing cause of cats' eyes when they reflect light.

    • @stefanx8344
      @stefanx8344 4 роки тому

      Laurel

    • @leeprice133
      @leeprice133 3 роки тому +1

      @@cameroneridan4558 yep - in fact one of the most notable chatoyant stones is a form of quartz commonly known as tiger's eye.

  • @MIO9_sh
    @MIO9_sh 2 роки тому

    Just while everyone is commenting how dangerous this thing is, actually, attach a fan blowing through the heating metal to 1. stop the metal from going scorching hot and burn your house, and 2. circulate the heated air around your room better

  • @brendancarlson1678
    @brendancarlson1678 5 років тому +136

    I'd rather take my chances with a garbage can fire.

    • @Skyhawk1998
      @Skyhawk1998 5 років тому +7

      You'll wind up with flames either way.

    • @GeorgeTsiros
      @GeorgeTsiros 5 років тому +6

      just take a couple meters of 30gauge wire and stick it in an outlet.

    • @wavebreakin8444
      @wavebreakin8444 5 років тому +3

      @@GeorgeTsiros better than a garbage can fire OR the heater

    • @Probable.Orange
      @Probable.Orange 5 років тому

      @@GeorgeTsiros you would just get molten copper do you even know how thin 30 gauge is

    • @GeorgeTsiros
      @GeorgeTsiros 5 років тому +1

      @@Probable.Orange if you knew copper wouldn't work, why did you even choose it, you fruit?

  • @OverGrowTheUk
    @OverGrowTheUk 5 років тому +611

    I have one of these but it’s a usb fan 😂😂 definitely reuses the same case.

    • @TechLeftBehind
      @TechLeftBehind 5 років тому +56

      I have one of these, but it's a mains voltage fan... Chinese reuse at work.

    • @nolifewoodzy
      @nolifewoodzy 5 років тому +18

      I have the same fan. I got mine from walmart for about $5 usd.

    • @Mike_Who
      @Mike_Who 5 років тому +6

      I have this as a usb fan from poundland 😂

    • @tin2001
      @tin2001 5 років тому +2

      The boss at my previous work has it as a USB fan. I think it came from eBay. I thought it was plastic until I picked it up.

    • @cfytcf
      @cfytcf 5 років тому +10

      Came here to say that - this is the pound shop fan for £2.

  • @mastermalpass
    @mastermalpass 2 роки тому +6

    Interesting; my USB fan's housing is almost identical. The switch comes out of the square hole on the back but it doesn't have two holes near it. It has the same three holes on the back for mounting the electronics, same stand, same method of putting the cage together, but the cage itself is rather different in its side-on profile, with much more 'bars' going around it.

  • @bluef1sh926
    @bluef1sh926 5 років тому +6

    That quartz tube is just beautiful. I would buy that just for the tube and have it as a precious stone, throw away everything else.

    • @imho2278
      @imho2278 4 роки тому

      Add some leds, use as a necklace.

  • @NoahBarr85
    @NoahBarr85 5 років тому +5

    It was a fan case because I have the little fan, in black, that uses this case.
    Good little fan, hasn't set fire to anything so far, have had it for many years now.

  • @StarScapesOG
    @StarScapesOG 4 роки тому +9

    "They've designed this for mounting a lot of things, that's interesting."
    My translation: "they lazily decided to make this one size fits all housing, makes you wonder what else they cheaped out on... that's disturbing."

  • @Anvilshock
    @Anvilshock 5 років тому +23

    Upload a ten-hour loop of the heater's "tink" for the ASMR crowd, hahaha!

    • @Kineth1
      @Kineth1 5 років тому +1

      or his "aluminum, aluminium"

  • @Daniel-ou4fb
    @Daniel-ou4fb 5 років тому +9

    Pretty handy in case you really need a good structure fire without using any accelerants for some reason...

  • @sevenpastmidnight9542
    @sevenpastmidnight9542 4 роки тому +6

    Not only if you clamped the base down, the heater part still swivels vertically, so there would still be a chance to knock it face down, still causing and issue with inadequate heat dissipation, and thus, a good chance of it's ability to start a fire. Remember, Smokey the Bear says " Only you can prevent burning your house down with inadequate heating appliances."

  • @highvoltagemayhem3345
    @highvoltagemayhem3345 5 років тому +7

    That's very interesting, I have a small desk fan that uses the exact same frame that your little heater was using, they just mounted the switch in the cutout behind the sticker.

  • @grimki11er
    @grimki11er 5 років тому +27

    "Where they don't give a SHit if people burn their house down" HAHAHA

  • @hufficag
    @hufficag 2 роки тому +6

    I've lived in China since 2010. Never seen a heater like that. What people do use is similar radiant dish heaters 1200W with a tilt safety switch. I think they do have safety switch laws in the country. Usually if you're sleeping outdoors or without insulation, where it's breezy, on bare concrete, you use heaters like this. Lower class people, sleeping in shacks or cots or factories or when standing in their shop in cold weather open to the outside, with no doors. They love natural ventilation and no doors, that's where these heaters are popular. There's nothing combustible around them usually, maybe a soft seat cushion, that's about it. In residential houses they only use convection heaters, also about 1200 or 1600W. Also those oil filled radiators have become popular lately with rich people because they don't make noise. so
    Lower class: radiant dish heaters
    Middle class: quartz forced fan heaters
    Upper classes: oil filled heaters or just install lots of heat pumps and underfloor heating.

  • @wtrdawnlord
    @wtrdawnlord 5 років тому +101

    I really wish someone would comment if they own a USB desk fan anything like this.
    Oh wait....

    • @maverickstclare3756
      @maverickstclare3756 4 роки тому +1

      Plot twist, the heater cage was repurposed to use as a fan shroud

    • @LookingGlass69
      @LookingGlass69 3 роки тому

      Hello thought police
      Just kidding lol

  • @davidkroth
    @davidkroth 5 років тому +12

    Clive, I have that exact enclosure ... as a fan. Mine's red, BTW. Good call.

    • @mikehall3976
      @mikehall3976 5 років тому

      I have two. One is black, and the other is silver.

    • @Oscar-if6lq
      @Oscar-if6lq 5 років тому

      Yes! When I saw it I recognised it. Incredible that someone in China has bought the same enclosure for a USB powered fan and made it into a mains-voltage heater. I hope I never live in a tower block where one of my neighbours opts to buy something like this...

  • @lethrbear32
    @lethrbear32 2 роки тому +8

    These are banned in the US. Anything that doesn't have tip switch or thermal overload protection can't be sold here.

  • @Frankhe78
    @Frankhe78 5 років тому +119

    It uses a UA-cam heating element. It is scorching the place, not to worry :)

    • @jakubpyra5711
      @jakubpyra5711 5 років тому +7

      I also heard UA-cam heating element xd

    • @DaveLennonCopeland
      @DaveLennonCopeland 5 років тому

      Me too... lol :)

    • @tin2001
      @tin2001 5 років тому +5

      Next week's policy change.... All videos must use the official UA-cam heating element.

    • @mysock351C
      @mysock351C 5 років тому +6

      Have to be careful. UA-cam heating elements are notorious for burning down democracies.

    • @Cheese_1337
      @Cheese_1337 5 років тому

      UA-cam hahah

  • @stevehonour9668
    @stevehonour9668 5 років тому +42

    LEDS In the Quartz sounds good to me

  • @georgef551
    @georgef551 3 роки тому +1

    This is a fan case with a heater in it. We have fans at work with the exact case this torch is housed in.

  • @N3szt0r
    @N3szt0r 5 років тому +286

    Jesus China this the housing of a small desktop usb fan. Holy smokes
    That square cutout was the switch

    • @Pentti_Hilkuri
      @Pentti_Hilkuri 5 років тому +32

      There's certainly going to be some holy smokes in this use.

    • @Smidge204
      @Smidge204 5 років тому +20

      I also have one of those USB fans and recognized it immediately. It's barely suitable for the punched aluminum fan blades, let alone a quarts heater... (Also, that switch died so now it's just wired straight because why do you even NEED a switch?)

    • @RANDALLOLOGY
      @RANDALLOLOGY 5 років тому +6

      Yep my first thought was it is a fan housing and a place for a slide switch on the back.

    • @tactileslut
      @tactileslut 5 років тому +6

      Yup. Note the hole pattern in the second picture: www.amazon.com/BigClive-house-ignitor/dp/B07BRWTZ6R/

    • @SomaliCoastguard
      @SomaliCoastguard 5 років тому +2

      I've had one of these usb fans on my desk for the last five years and to be honest it's worked flawlessly. As I recall I picked it up for a fiver from Wilko's.

  • @AmusementLabs
    @AmusementLabs 5 років тому +14

    Thanks, I've been looking to get rid of my house...

  • @midnightcharger2
    @midnightcharger2 4 роки тому +2

    These are very similar to Japanese "Kotatsu" table heaters. They use similar heating elements under tables that have a blanket over the top to keep the heat in. Funny enough, not "too many" house fires reported each year during winter when I lived overseas.

  • @Plethora.of.Pinatas
    @Plethora.of.Pinatas 5 років тому +19

    Yeah I get those metal fans at the dollar store, I use them with a limit switch to blow heat off my gas heater lol. The irony when I saw one being used as a heater... HA!

  • @crashk6
    @crashk6 5 років тому +144

    "Two terminals one cup."

    • @africanelectron751
      @africanelectron751 5 років тому +22

      I pray for your salvation.

    • @oguzhangulsefa4516
      @oguzhangulsefa4516 5 років тому +1

      Legit...

    • @Quick_Fix
      @Quick_Fix 5 років тому +1

      People should upload reaction videos while watching this clip, that would be a great hit I reckon. 👍

    • @tactileslut
      @tactileslut 5 років тому +5

      "That's hot." (tm)Paris Hilton

    • @sillygoose635
      @sillygoose635 5 років тому

      @codey morganti *shudders*

  • @Maltmeister1
    @Maltmeister1 3 роки тому

    Yes Clive,I have exactly the same casing in black and it's a fan,,the square hole you uncovered under the sticker is for the switch.

  • @jamesbrown4092
    @jamesbrown4092 5 років тому +6

    Saw "Chinese automatic house ignitor", and thought: Oooooh! This one's going to be exciting! ;-)

  • @renton9999
    @renton9999 5 років тому +9

    I've found a needle-nose vice-grip works great for removing and inserting the restraint.

    • @frogz
      @frogz 5 років тому +1

      Strain Relief Bushing Assembly Tool, enjoy

    • @RuneTheFirst
      @RuneTheFirst 5 років тому +3

      Been dealing with those for decades. The trick is to squeeze against the small part, compressing the wire's insulation. They are actually reusable if you are good at removing them. Handy for restoring old radios and audio gear. I keep new ones on hand too.

    • @johnrehwinkel7241
      @johnrehwinkel7241 5 років тому +1

      Genuine Heyco pliers aren't too expensive and do make those strain reliefs easier to install and remove.

  • @Goguleroma
    @Goguleroma 5 років тому +8

    That quartz tube can be used for some interesting lighting devices, just add the "gummy" filament LED.

  • @Chris-du7hi
    @Chris-du7hi 5 років тому +4

    Nice to see they included the schematic. Not enough products do that anymore.

    • @eman8920
      @eman8920 2 роки тому +1

      Yea a piece of wire, switch, metal slinky, wire. Very complicated indeed

  • @alinayossimouse
    @alinayossimouse 2 роки тому +1

    I have a USB desk fan that uses this very exact same housing. The differences to the heater are that instead of the U tube heating element and reflector there's a fan blade assembly on a little motor, the back has a switch above the cable, the cable attached is a USB cable and the stand has four rubber tube segments on it to reduce transfer of vibrations into the table.

  • @miklov
    @miklov 5 років тому +16

    I have USB fans in that exact case. The square hole is for the switch.

  • @superdau
    @superdau 5 років тому +14

    I really want to see now how the quartz "youtube" looks when lit by LEDs from the inside or at least the ends!

  • @glenmartin2437
    @glenmartin2437 Рік тому

    I enjoy taking things apart.
    Your videos are great, relaxing, and I have no mess to clean up.

  • @IMelkor42
    @IMelkor42 5 років тому +171

    "The switch breaks the live, that's neat"
    Looks at simple two pin plug
    Hmmmm...

    • @Cadwaladr
      @Cadwaladr 5 років тому +28

      It seems like that's the typical Chinese plug, very similar to the ones we use in North America, and it could be that one of the pins is wider than the other. Here we have them where the narrow pin is 1/4" and the wide one is 5/16", so you can't plug it in backwards.

    • @udfbino
      @udfbino 5 років тому +7

      2pin plugs aee actually very common here in asia,china and philippines especiaally. here in the phils,sometimes theres a 3rd plug,but its not actually connected to anything,neither in the cable nor outlet

    • @moth.monster
      @moth.monster 5 років тому +11

      @@udfbino 2 pin plugs are common in north america as well, most devices are ungrounded. Of course, most outlets nowadays have the third slot which is usually actually grounded, because we do have some decent safety codes thanks to a quite litigious culture. You can even find GFCIs in some outlets, which is nice. Generally only in bathrooms and kitchens though, unlike Europe where they're in the whole house.

    • @cashuma5010
      @cashuma5010 5 років тому +18

      @@moth.monster . . . poor GFCI usage . . . poor health care . . . poor infrastructure . . . too much military . . . poor America . . .

    • @udfbino
      @udfbino 5 років тому +2

      @@moth.monster yee,ik. switzerland by standard has 3 plug outlets nearly everywhere. ofc you dont need ground for every device,like lights or so, but if theres ground,at least have it connected,hah. like my pc for example: its plugged in to an outlet with ground,but my chassis is charged cause the outlet isnt actually grounded ....

  • @AintBigAintClever
    @AintBigAintClever 5 років тому +7

    The video thumbnail looks as though you've mounted it on a ceiling :D