SYIL X7 1 week later. Walk around and initial thoughts.
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- Опубліковано 29 сер 2024
- 1 week after delivery of our syil X7 CNC milling machine.
Disregard the date stamp, need to remove that from my camera, it was filmed on the posting date (July 2018).
Audio is quiet until the rotophase starts.
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My first youtube video, not smooth, lots of “ahhhhh” and “ummmmmm” and “ya”. Feel free to give me the gears about it.
Aliexpress tools store I mentioned, been really good. I deal with "Jane", you can chat with them about what you need and it seems like they can get anything. Happy with the quality so far! Reasonable express shipping too.
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Hi Peter
Robert Brown here from Sydney Australia.
Ian Porter suggested I watch your C7 video. He also sent me some photos of you taking your mill off the pallet base. I'll have to do the same OUTSIDE of my shed, then use the fork to 'skate' the machine in through a ( low) roller door.
Fantastic resource material for newbies like me 👍
My X7 arrives at my house today some time 👏👏👏
Thanks for doing the video mate, most helpful.
Regards
Robert
What did it cost to your door in AUS?
Thanks for the review. Regarding your wash down hose; replace the coil hose. I installed one on my wash down and flow went to a trickle. Then replaced with a 10ft length of 5/8" ID garden hose and the flow is dramatically better. My pump is a 1/8hp AMT. Couplers are quick disconnect type used in the beer brewing industry. The filter is a 10" 100 micron house sediment filter. On top of the chip pan I use a perforated chaffing dish tray. It traps most chips and makes clean out easy.
Special Horse thanks for the tip I’m definitely going to try that.
ifm in Canada is a good source for BSP to NPT and other thread adapters. They are made for their flowmeters but can be used for many different applications including hooking up CNC mills
Thank you for the new machine share, never heard of this machine name before, that is common with lathes as there are many makers, enjoy the new tool, it looks great SYIL X7
I'm a 8 year corporate machinist in aerospace and medical. Never once have I ever used a Haimer. Most I ever had to use was a probe on the 5th axis. Honestly just prefer an edge finder. Not quite understanding why Tormach and Syil users need these.
Great video! Been interested in a Syil for a while now, seems way better quality then my 1100mx.
Glad you enjoyed the video. The new X7’s are on a whole new level of quality. Regarding the Haimer, I don’t have the experience you probably have, but I can’t see how I couldn’t set XYZ faster than you using your methods. I think a lot of us with small machines at home do many, many setups a day so that adds up. In a production environment I see it being less useful. Anyways, different strokes for different folks!
@@betztechnikindustriesltd.8901 Thanks for the reply! Yea im curious how you guys use it, and how its applied on a daily machine. I touch off z with my endmill, and edge find X/Y with a dedicated cat40 tool holder with the edge finder. Set-ups take me 5-20 mins depending on complexity in the fixture. Sometimes im better off indicating a hole for X/Y for accuracy and repeatability.
As far as the X7 goes, yep its way higher quality with 100% more rigidity. Yea you miss out on the robust tech support that others have, but for the capability its on par with any industrial machine versus a hobby machine.
Please guys, show us how do you guys probe with a digital probe on the SYIL machine, I worked more than 5 years on a Tormach 1100, I have a digital probe, and daily I mill ~2 parts, I need to probe each part on multiple sides, without a digital probe the time needed for setup increases seriously. And After I worked with PathPilot and Mach3, the probing routine takes 40 seconds for all side.
I struggle since I receive the Syil machines, haven't milled any part yet because I can't understand why the procedure is SO MUCH COMPLICATED.
First problem is that the ATC magazine can't store any tool numbered with anything than 16 or 10, depending on the number of ATC pockets. This means I need to renumber my tools in CAM software, DAILY !
Now, the probing routine seems it can be done by only loading Gcode files, one file for X , one file for Y and one for Z! I managed to combine X and Y to probe with just one Gcode, but now I have problems with the Z probing file ...
Please make a new video and show us how do you guys probe with a digital probe, start to finish.
I also can't mount the probe in the ATC as it's wireless, and I seen other people that number their probe a number under 10, but always keep that pocket number empty
I run a $700k DMG Mori 5 axis and get 0.02mm variation over night due to temperature. Perfectly normal with your tool setter.
@D Hill shop is so enormous climate controlling the shop would cost more in electricity per month that the machine itself.
@D Hilldefence and aerospace work, couldn't tell you even if I wanted too.
@D Hill the man can buy whatever he wants, or would you rather prefer he got a useless sports car instead?
Cool purchase. Subscribed and cant wait to see more
Great to see more west coast machining! Ive been looking at the syil quite a bit lately. Excited to see what you do with the machine
Thanks for the walk through, it was well done. We are in Kamloops and looking at a X5 or X7. Cheers
Hey, nice video! I'm working on videos too, they are very hard! Thanks for giving the link to the Ali tools ... I was curious to look into that more
People can say what they want about any machine you buy and show on UA-cam ???
But the big positive i see, is at least you did not buy a Tormach Mill ?????????????????
Seems your happy with what you brought, and guessing more happy after you have owned the machine for few months now.
I love the Siemens controllers very easy to use, and they have a very good conversational menu to do most of what i would need to do.
( i see you are running Fusion so this part of the controller would not be of interest to you )
If you know Richard i would be guessing you know Aaron ( DCTTeacher) ???
He seems very happy with his purchase of the same machine, if you run into any trouble with your machine, I am sure Aaron would be more than happy to help, seems he is on the direct hotline to the owner of the company (SYIL). i am sure that this would be of help if needed ?
The coolant system is pretty useless on these machine i noticed that on Aaron,s machine when he was doing his first demo.
But anyway not a big problem to fix, just buy a bigger coolant pump.
I will keep in touch see how you progress with your new machine.
All The Best, Peter.
Doesn't dcdteacher have a skyfire?
Thanks for posting this. There aren't many videos of these machines on youtube and I'm starting to lean away from the Tormach 1100. Starting to make steppers and ways and gibs look really amateur.
3 years later I have no regrets.
I am looking to buy a SYIL X7 with 4 axis - I need a small foot print small scale production machine and SYIL has been getting great reviews
Wojo Wrench the newest version seems way better than mine, only downside is they got more expensive. I was thinking I need to do a 2 year review video but there isn’t much to say!!!
Really reminds me of an old 90’s Fadal.
PC Master Race They’re that shitty?
Yes, they improved the looks a lot on the new version of this machine.
Very nice walk around! It looks very in the video, time to see some chips flying.....
Link to the AliExpress tool seller?
Congrats on the mill Peter, looking into getting one of these myself. I noticed that you had a Fusion 360 cad model of the machine on your computer screen, where did you get that from or did you create it yourself?
Anthony Farrugia I got it from the factory.
I like that these come with the Siemens controller. My machine at work has one so I'm as comfortable with it as a haas. How much did the whole machine package run to get it in the door?
WCGwkf Yes I thought it was worthwhile to upgrade to the Siemens. I suspect it will help immensely with resale too. I’ve already dealt with Siemens tech support (no issues, just questions) and they have been great. I think they are running about $25k USD delivered (after taxes) ? I got in on them earlier and got a significantly better deal than that with a group of people. They’ve already taken our feedback and made major changes, so the $25k USD price is for the newest version I think. New enclosure. All new coolant system etc etc.
@@betztechnikindustriesltd.8901 that's not too bad for what you're getting. the base version of a haas would cost that much, then double it to add the features that every shop needs. I'll definitely have to consider one of these vs a used haas
Great video. Subscribed.
Subscribed. Will be interesting following your journey. Be interested in your 'all in' price for the machine, shipping, import taxes, etc, into Canada. Long ago, I used to be in Prince George frequently.
Sod tapping, thread mill all the way!
So far rigid tapping is a lot faster than threadmilling, but having a threadmill is crucial for when you do not have the right size tap!
You might need a crossover ethernet cable if you are connecting straight to the ethernet port on the pc.
nerdy is right. if you are going from machine to pc you need a crossover. otherwise just put a hub in between the pc or plug the machine into your router. if wifi is working the onboard nic is working.
Was it more than 25k to your door... without 3 faze unit??? Didnt know u could pick different controls...that very helpful...and what was wait time....seems best bang for buck over tourmack 1100m
bryan senulis it wasn’t but Prices have gone up since I bought. Very very happy with the Siemens control. My wait time was 3 or 4 months I think ?
What did the machine cost. You did a great presentation
Mine is a first generation X7, the current X7-20 is the latest. My pricing isn’t relevant anymore and I did get a bit of deal in exchange for promising to post stuff about it. Not to say anything specific, just to share what I’m doing. People are reluctant to spend a bunch of money on something unless they see real people using it. Never any pressure or hint about saying good things.
Look how easy it is now to get into home milling CNC style. We live in a great age where we are able to set up a machine with incredible tolerances and start slinging chips in no time.
I know the cost is on the high side but it is cheaper than a lot of cars!
I am curious what reason would you need to spend this kind of money? I know you can sell you services with this type of setup but is there a big market for these kinds of things?
I manufacture pick and place machine parts and also machine tool accessories. Neither one is flying off the shelf but they are slowly paying for the machine!
Can you do an yearly review. How did it work in the past year for you. Any regrets, problems etc.
MySchizo Buddy that’s a good idea. I will do that sometime in August.
I got a cnc router with the 808d advanced controller, having trouble connect threw ethernet , did you install the AMM tool on the pc? any advise on how you got it to work?
I wonder, does this have ball guides or roller guides? I think the V series machines have roller guides (and a heavier casting).'
Both the ADTECH and the Siemens controls are PC-based running Linux.
douro20 I’m pretty sure it’s all ball guides. Yes the V650 is 12,000 lbs I think?
Quick question - with the phase converter does it use much power running the phase converter? Would like to buy an X7 Combo next year and want to ensure my household garage power can run it
CDModelz good question. I will try and get an ammeter on the main lines and see what it is consuming. The 10hp rotophase didn’t publish its consumption, but the 7hp says 1.15KW, so 4.8A @ 240v... maybe mine is closer to 6A or so.
What filter material from McMaster did you say your going to try ?
I was a machinist for many years. I have been researching the market for a quality hobby/prototyping machine. I may have missed it. Where did you purchase your machine and was it a bt30 taper? Thanks
Johnathan Smith I purchased it directly from Syil in China. There are Canadian and US distributors too. It’s BT30, yes.
I want to see what the coolant and chip management looks like.
Kenny Duval it’s not the greatest as I’m sure you’ve seen in my other videos. I changed the Chinese locline our for genuine recently and it made a big difference.
i have question. What mean X7 COMBO? i cant find it on SYI
L page.
Hi. The X7 combo just meant with an enclosure. This is the old way of doing it. The X7-20 or X7-21 is the new version of this mill.
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Hi Peter, Who did you go through to purchase the machine
Brian Weighill I dealt direct with Syil in a China but I think the USA dealer is handling worldwide sales now??
Can you cut steel on this machine? And what is your opinion about weight of this machine because it weights 1000kg and that is not a lot.
Sorry for bad english.
Gregor Gutnii You certainly can cut steel, but of course you are probably not going to rip through it super fast. I’m not anywhere near pushing my machine yet in Aluminum, so don’t take my example cutting as a sign of the machines performance. It isn’t crazy heavy, but I’m sure it’s the heaviest of its class (Tormach, skyfire etc.). A lot of guys cut steel on the X5 and I’m sure that isn’t 1/2 the weight of the X7. I think the weight is relative to how hard you can push it. I cut steel on my old G0704, you just have to take your time. So this would be orders of magnitude better than that.
What is the part number on that tool setter again? mine just does height, I have really wanted a height and diameter setter.. Thanks
roger roger.. thanks.. Yah given a Renshaiw setup starts around $4500 used and then I have to figure out how to retrofit into an adtech controller
that's not too too bad :-P..
Cool video, whats the price for this beauty?
Hi. I got a good deal on this machine. The new ones are completely redesigned. Way better but a lot more money. The new X7 would be a worthwhile upgrade from this machine.
Are you still pretty happy with this machine? Thanks!
Yes I am, I am going to do a follow-up video shortly!
Out the door total $ ?
Check out the two webinars I linked below
Hi there! If you don't mind me asking, where did you buy this machine?
Lalo Ramirez I bought it direct from Syil in China. I think the US distributer now handles most of the worldwide sales.
Hello what is full height from the machine
Thank’s
looks sweet. What was the total cost delivered in $CAD?
Unfortunately my pricing is obsolete. There have been two major changes to the X7 now and they are no longer similar in design or cost. The new ones are epoxy granite and more compact, they are very nice but cost @ $10K more than mine was. My experience was the agreed price to arrive at port, then port fees of about $300 CAD, then Import fees @ 5%, then another $1000 CAD to transport it 800 KMs, then rent a forklift for the day @ $300 CAD.
@@betztechnikindustriesltd.8901 what does "epoxy granite" mean? where can you buy this direct from china? on the syil website the only contact is a guy in ontario.
@@sean7193 It is what the frame is constructed of, instead of cast iron like normal. It is considered a significant improvement. You now have to go through regional dealers, like Syil Canada.
@@betztechnikindustriesltd.8901 thanks. too bad about the regional dealers ( I mean middle men) driving the price up.
Nice video, don’t worry about the word whispers..we all have them. Looking for any decent feed back on Syil. And I see there’s a few guys from the Ontario area that where interested in mills too. Wondering how they made out? I think some of us are interested in similar builds, items and tools, be cool to share ideas and conversation. If you guys like you can hit me on instagram @ cooperandthebandit
Can the machine do 3D milling ?
Yes it can for sure. I have CYCLE 832 and advanced surface options with the Siemens 808D Advanced. I need to actually try it some time, haha.
What did it cost?
Pricing is no longer valid, this is the old version of the X7, new ones are a fair bit more but are a lot more machine.
Great video Peter!
We currently have a tormach and are looking at upgrading to this machine as well. Where are you in Canada? We are just north of Toronto.
Also, can you link your Instagram profile? I couldn’t find it when searching.
Thanks.
Peter
@tacordinc
Hey Peter Brouwer , I'm also thinking on getting a x7 I'm an hour north of Toronto as well in Angus just west of Barrie. Hey Peter Betz I just followed you on Instagram (Mlord)
Cncmike68 awesome. We are in Newmarket
I'm in Peterborough. This machine interests me as well based on Aaron DCCT Teacher's experience in Australia using a Skyfire and we've chatted about Syril a few times.... hrmm maybe if all "three" of us make a pitch to buy some units and shipping....
This machine is horribly overpriced for what you end up with. a 25,000 dollar toy, generic everything. zero post purchase support. replacement parts down the line? forget about it. Just get a Haas Mini. You'll pay a little more, but you won't be shoveling chips out either.
p.s. the machines I've bought are why i can afford firearms that cost more than your mill....and thats fact.
lets try this another way. What makes this superior to a Haas? is it the generic screws? the generic linear rails? Maybe the generic chinese meehanite? Maybe its the lack of factory support? probing with improper macros? Maybe the fact you are on your own to figure out the control and fix the PLC? I got it! its the lack of chip evacuation, no augers at all. Perhaps the sub standard weak ass coolant pump? I know this all adds up to a WAY better machine than a Haas, which every owner is a moron for making them the biggest machine builder/retailer on the fucking planet. Every Single Haas Owner is STUPID for not buying chinese crap! You're so right! lol. Fucking retards. At least buy an Akira Seiki if you are price point shopping, want a real machine with factory support and don't like the Haas Price Point. Dumb fucking 3rd world moron.
WOW.
You are way to upset about your original comment.
The guy has just posted a video of his happiness of buying a machine a lot of people would love to own.
You do not need to get so frustrated over him replying to your comment, at least he took the time to reply to you pointing out what he felt were the machines strengths and weaknesses.
You are right to choose the HAAS Mini Mill because that,s what you want to buy,
And he was right to choose to buy this machine because it was what he wanted to buy, nothing gained nothing lost.
You sound like the kind of fucktard who crashed his haas and now cant afford a new spindle.
@Mitch That actually makes no fucking sense....But i will just assume you speak from experience being broke and hopeless.