Chopard Alpine Eagle Vs Patek Philippe Nautilus 5711: A Comprehensive Luxury Watch Comparison
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- Опубліковано 3 вер 2021
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The Chopard Alpine Eagle Large 298600-3001 is encased in 41mm of stainless steel surrounding a blue dial on a stainless steel bracelet. Features of this Chopard Alpine Eagle Large include hours, minutes, seconds and date. This Chopard watch also measures 9.7mm in thickness and 47.2mm from lug-to-lug.
The Patek Philippe Nautilus 5711/1A-010 is encased in 40mm of stainless steel surrounding a black-blue dial on a stainless steel bracelet. Features of this Patek Philippe Nautilus include hours, minutes, seconds and date. This Patek Philippe watch also measures 8.5mm in thickness and 48.1mm from lug-to-lug.
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For me the Chopard Alpine Eagle is a modern steel sports watch marvel. It is sad many people do not consider Chopard a horology heavyweight.
It bothers me that Chopard made an effort to claim that they took extra effort to ensure the screws are aligned symmetrically around the dial. But clearly it's not. Some are better while some are worse (like this example).
@@gyang333 I think you missed the point of what Chopard meant. If you analyse what they’re indicating is they use real screws on the bezel and make a ‘painstaking’ effort to align. Can AP or PP say the same of Royal Oak or Nautilus? No they cannot, so Chopard are already scoring points against ultra high end players in a subliminal way. In fact it’s even better that the screws don’t align the same on every Alpine Eagle watch, so each piece is then unique, and not just another clone. Sounds like a clever bit of marketing on a genuine Swiss masterpiece in my book.
@@gyang333 is anyone else managing this feat? On a model that's roughly same price?
@@shuycg No, but no one else is claiming to do so. I don't know why that's some selling point? I don't care that screws are not aligned (in general).
@@gyang333 it's clear to me that they've tried to align the screw heads. Maybe that's the best the could do. Maybe the machinery used to create those threads inside the bezel are the limiting factor. I think it's cool, I think it's interesting and I would support them if I had the budget.
I have this Alpine Eagle for a year. Became my daily and never get bored from it. Low profile, high quality (insanely accurate) and what's most important, it's freakin' beautiful.
Could have equipped with better movements like LUC. But still, a very impressive steel sports watch.
Yeah, I wish the movement was better. Debating getting it now. I love the steel they used. Looks like white gold. Which color face did you get?
Good report, but why did you have it for only 1 year? If I praised a watch like that it means heirloom material, and my son would be it’s next guardian after I’m gone. Also what did you mean by ‘insanely accurate’ then ‘Could have equipped with better movements like LUC’? Seems contradictory, unless you’re referring to slimness of movement profile or simply with the aesthetics of the view of movement through the sapphire case back.
You said you never got bored of it yet only had it for a year?
@@jeremyeagles3237 He never answered when I asked the same, maybe he lost his job, went broke and had to sell it.
@@Pulsonar yeah possibly. Doesn’t matter to me I just wanted to understand where he is coming from.
You do the best watch reviews on UA-cam. Knowledgeable, no nonsense and drily hilarious. Always a joy. Thanks for what you do.
I LOVE this series - keep 'em coming!
Couldn't agree more with your final determination, sir! Chopard for me, please.
This is a brilliant review Tim…full of added value and good input. Thank you
The blue dial on the Chopard AE is absolutely sublime. This watch has to be tried on to appreciate the exquisite quality, like I did at an AD whilst on holiday. Good thing the dial was
the Grey sunburst that I tried, if it was this blue dial I would’ve angered my family by spending all my holiday money on a deposit and bought it on the spot 😂
The Nautius looks cheap next to the Chopard. Sad, but true.
Exactly!
Especially the logo. I own the Calatrava and the PP logo looks like something from a Chinese $50 special.
Agreed
Yup, I'm leaning more towards Chopards and Dietrichs now days, that Dietrich SD-1 🍯 🐝 honeycomb is 🔥, especially the tropical green one...Just wish they made the SD-1 in 40 or 41mm, it's a 38.5 mm.
Opinions are not facts. Facts!
I got my chopard alpine eagle in blue couple days ago and it’s more beautiful in person. Got a lot of compliments every time.
Have had the Chopard AE for about a week now. It is absolutely fantastic. A Rolex DJ is in the same price range but was looking to expand outside of Rolex. Having said that." Would love a Nautilus but couldn't ever justify the $100K grey market price on it. Great review as always!!
I'm finding myself more and more drawn to brands like Chopard and Piaget - true watch manufacturers who have somehow bypassed the mainstream collectors for now. If I'm honest, it's Chopard's LUC line that interests me more from their technical movements and exemplary craftsmanship, but this Alpine Eagle has got me rethinking their other watches. The Nautilus is just a pipedream now...
Sad story, but a few years ago I had the chance to buy a blue dial Nautilus, at retail, for about £18,500. I had to pass at that time, it would have wiped out my savings. But if I'd known then what I know now... Bye-bye mortgage 😭
The Chopard needs the LUC movement, it would be a better comparison
Eh, I agree it'd be much nicer to have that better movement, but the metal finishing + that dial is enough for me to take a serious look at this over another sports watch in the same price range
@cittadino di Zamunda Wrong. Although Caliber 240 or 324 are the inferior finished movements among all Patek movements, but they still used to have Geneva Hallmark before Patek went with their own PP Hallmark. This Chopard 01.01-C does not even meet the criteria to have the Geneva Hallmark stamped on it. Even some LUC movements don't meet the Geneva Hallmark criteria. "marvelous finishing" simply not.
@cittadino di Zamunda Clearly you are just new into horology, learnt something and though you knew everything. You got so many of your facts wrong and you just assumed you are correct, and I don't even know where to start.
First of all, I'm lucky enough to own some of these independent brands such as FPJ, Lang & Hayne (not Lange & Hayne), Dufour, Forsay, Parmigiani, Akrivia, Pascal Coyon. I also own some mass produced brands such as Patek, Vacheron, Lange and Breguet. I use my 20x loupe to admire the details on those movements almost every single day.
Patek and Vacheron are THE best when it comes to finishing out of all the mass produced brands (all brands producing more than 500 pieces a year, so FPJ, Parmigiani, Lange are all included).
Most of those brands you mentioned don't have Geneva Hallmark because they are not located in Geneva, for example, Dufour and Gauthier are in Vallée de Joux, De Bethune is in Vaud, Forsay is in La Chaux de Fonds, Voulaitinen is located in Môtiers. Just in case you did not know it, Geneva Hallmark is only issued to brands that are located in Geneva.
FPJ on the other hand, does not meet the criteria of obtaining Geneva Hallmark when it comes to decorative finishing. For example, one of the criteria of Geneva Hallmark is that the tooth of all gear wheels made from stainless-steel must be chamfered and polished, that include the tooth on the barrel gears. Take a close look at your FPJ, the barrels are grained but the tooth are not beveled and polished (to be fair, the current production entry level Patek these days don't even do that, as they moved away from Poincon de Geneve, so they are under no pressure to do those difficult finishings).
You said Patek "324 movement are crappish as design itself", and then you also said "In short, if you want a proper Patek you need at least a perpetual calendar", you knew you just discredited yourself because of that. Patek doesn't make integrated perpetual calendar movements, all of Patek's perpetual calendar are modules. 324 S Q perpetual calendar is just a standard 324 movement with a perpetual calendar module slapped on it; the same goes to 240 Q perpetual calendar and 240; and the same goes to 31-260 PS QL perpetual calendar and 31-260 REG QA. If you say 324 movement is crap, then 324 S Q perpetual calendar must also be crap, so you contradicted yourself there.
Back to Chopard. Chopard has two manufacture based in Fleurier. One is Chopard Manufacture, which is responsible of movement production for all LUC movements. Non Poincon de Geneve certified LUC will be assembled there as well. However, Poincon de Geneve Certifed LUC will have to be shipped to Geneva workshop for some extra finishing to meet both the location and finishing standard requirement. Then you have the Fleurier Ebauches which is responsible for non-LUC movements production (aka the inferior Chopard movements), the production are more industrial and less hand-finishes are applied, the movement 01.01-C used in this Alpine Eagle comes from there. In short, LUC Poincon de Geneve > LUC non-Poincon de Geneve > Chopard.
Patek, even after they became lazy in their finishing department of their entry level pieces, are still better than LUC non-Poincon de Geneve and is certainly better than a non-LUC Chopard.
By just looking at some macro shots of the anglage on 01.01-C, immediately you can notice the anglage are not even rounded, they are simply beveled to a 45 degrees angle, and the gear spokes are not beveled and polished. The overall finishing on this 01.01-C movement is not bad, quite good to look at a glance to be honest, but not "marvelous finishing", and it isn't better than a Patek 324.
@@CYC_JP so is this watch good or not? How does this compare to the Royal Oak?
@@CYC_JP What’s your opinion on VC Overseas, 4500v?
Truly a worthy competitor to the Patek Nautilus, more so I'm very proud and privileged to have several of these stunning timepieces instore (BHH Cape Town) Also this is a fantastic video, keep it up.. Just clicked subscribed and liked.
I love both .....The sparkling look.... Amazing works.
This makes me happy to my watch (Alpine Eagle) featured! I love waking up and voila, there she blows!! And to see it vs. a 5711 awesomeness. It’s happened this way 2x now. First the individual watch review a couple weeks ago, now the comparison; thanks, Tim! I also own one of the 20 piece Laureato (black dial, blue indices & seconds hand). As much as I like the bombastic approach of getting the “heavy-hitters”, high-key, I throughly enjoy having a great under the radar piece, more…if you know, you know, type of vibe.
amazing review Tim and I totally agree with you
Excellent review/comparison.
Chopard at the end of the day is just as attractive with great specs- if I could afford I’ll take both😅great review as always Tim!
Brilliantly done. Thanks
The Alpine is a Very nice alternative to the Nautilus. Great job as always Tim.
Absolutely, the Girard Perregaux Laureato too.
I'm placing my order for the Chopard ...... that dial is simply beautiful. Plus it's safer to wear it outside.
Quite a few muggings of PP in London recently
Wait till you see the lucent steel in person. I tried it on before, and thought the dial would be the most attention grabbing thing. But the lucent steel stole the show for me, it's just so much brighter than any of the other SS watches I have.
@@rousseau327 Chopard has a price increase effective tomorrow, I believe. My AD can’t get me the stock at existing price 😢
@@direction_west thanks Leslie! But Cape Town is a little far from Singapore 😆. My AD can get it but there’s a month’s wait and the discount is a lot slimmer now.
Great choice enjoy
Chopard apparently has a rose gold and two tone variation of the Alpine Eagle. The dial comes in grey and blue and now red. There is a regular and chronometer version. The price makes it worth much less than the Nautilus. However the price just keeps going up on the Nautilus, so it it a great investment.
Bravo Tim Mosso👏......and I could not agree w/ you more. Either way, I would take the Chopard, handsdown. Honestly, I find the Nautilus to be a bit to svelte on the wrist, but that's just me
Genta's design has an clear edge but the execution on the Chopy is insane
The Chopard Alpine Eagle is so much nicer its not even close !!!!!! It has perfect balance of being gorgeous but yet masculine at the same time. Its steel shines brilliantly like gold yet harder then steel. Super high end looking and felling, great movement, great power reserve but yet decently priced. The Chopard Alpine Eagle is best watch on the market !!!!!!!
Great review but I prefer the GP Laureato over both of them and I also have a 5711.
Nice job on the comparison Tim! As for the question of which to buy......is there really any need to ask?
I’d like to see a comparison between an Alpine Eagle and a Royal Oak. That would be fascinating.
I like the Alpine Eagle it needs the LUC movement and maybe just leave off the extra bit on the side of the case that isn't necessary. Would also love to see more dial options.
Now,.. I’d like to see an Aquanaut vs a Polo face off. They’re so closely stylistically matched and both from great pedigrees that I think it would be fascinating. I’m secretly rooting for the Polo.
I liked the Polo S ever since it came out - far more so in person than in pictures or videos. The asymmetry of the bezel, polished bezel edge, and crystal, to me, make it much more art-deco themed than nautically themed like the Nautilus. I would like to see Piaget use a screw-down crown. But other than that, I think the Polo S is a highly underrated watch.
@@jumboJetPilot I agree. I think it’s a great watch.
Chopard Looks SOOOO GOOOD omg
I d like to see a comparison between the chopard and a laureato 👍
Honest would be the chopard for me. Many people would go for the patek only on the fact it’s got a huge return on profit. I feel there aren’t many true watch enthusiasts around. For many it’s just how much it’s worth on the grey market
By the looks I would go for the Chopard, will try it on next time at the AD. Hav'nt payed this watch any attantion until now.
That dial on the Alpine Eagle is virtuoso performance by Chopard. they could justify making the watch just as a vessel to display that dial. And yeah, Genta created the first "homage" Watch. He gets a pass because it's a homage to himself. LOL good show
At 3 times as much retail, the Patek should be offering more
To me the Chopard gained an extra dimension when I was shown that it matched up with Chopards "Ice Cube" jewellery collection. Not only is there then an opportunity to match your wifes jewellery with your watch or her jewellery with her own Alpine Eagle, but you also get a new perspective on that design.
Check out the chrono version. It is stunning.
Price no issue I like the patek
I think the Alpine Eagle is incredibly underrated. The overall look is brilliantly put together. Liked it so much I bought one and it now gets the majority of wrist time. Looks like the Nautilus and royal oak? Certainly shares some similarities, but it really looks like an evolution of the St. Moritz. The nautilus and Royal Oak have just become very dated. This watch looks fresh. Can't understand why this watch isn't in higher demand - it will be...
I ordered one as well as soon as i got it i will upload first video here so excited :D its such a nice watch!
Let's be glad that the watch isn't in such high demand. If only we humans didn't think so stupidly.
Always enjoy your Vs videos and this one speaks to me. Am contemplating the Alpine Eagle but hoping they will make a green dial one...for less than $450009😂
Chopard all the way, the dial is great!
Maybe it’s different in person, but the nautilus dial can’t even hold a candle to the alpine eagles dial.
While I agree the Chopard is noticeably larger than the Nautilus, I don't think it wears larger than it suggests. In my opinion, it wears true to size, and perhaps even slightly smaller. The Nautilus just wears really, really well.
I really like that Alpine Eagle’s dial. I’d like to see equivalent versions in green and red. And if they wanted to make a sportier version, do the bezel in ceramic, both brushed and polished just like the metal bezel version, in a ceramic color that matches the dial color, Omega Constellation-style.
They made a red dial version and it looks like an asshole
@@MrCliteatswood What kind of bleeding assholes are you used to seeing?
@@MrCliteatswood ummm, no. That’s the brown dial version.
In practise with my limited budget, it will be Chopard
If not the name on the dial and the movement I would go Chopard without any doubt. Much, much better looking watch. It is absolutely stunning in person. However movement dissapoints a little. Chopard is capable of making movements at Patek level, and they should do it in Alpine Eagle too, even for higher price tag.
Totally agree!
That was a great comparison. Probably one of the best he has ever done. I plan to purchase the Alphine eagle based on the video.
I think chopard has enough of it's own design features to not be called a homage, and the dial is just mind blowing and looks just as good as patek but lean more towards sporty rather than the dressy nautilus. I just wish the eagle was a little more thinner if not as thinner as nautilus
@AM Conquer is a homage created by the same designer still a homage? He kinda gets a pass because Genta designed both watches.
Chopard is much more visually appealing.
Great in-depth comparison. The fact is 99% of us will never have a chance to buy the Nautilus probably speaks for itself. I love the Alpine Eagle's dial, and would like to see Chopard add several more colors.
The red dial is the best. It's limited edition
I purchased mine :) in rose gold
How have you liked it so far?
@@SunsetSheen its a great watch ! But mine is 36 mm its very flat and still a heavy watch since its made of 18k gold. Its not a everydays watch. But i am very happy with it very high quality piece and the warm bright look in the sun is just amazing! I am going to purchase a steel modell as well but waiting for another dial colour to be released 🙈☺️or tune it with some after market sapphires on the bezel?🙄🙄🤷♂️
@@watchmanplain5780 great choice on the 36. I actually like the smaller one much better, both for the size and also the cleaner dial without the date window.
Strongly considering the 2 tone but my only apprehension is that the bracelet barely tapers. Do you know the width at the lug, and also what it tapers down to at the clasp?
@@SunsetSheen sadly i dont know the exact sice of the lug to lug. For the tone tone model i can tell u that i personally didnt liked the silver screws on the bezel, made the whole watch unbalanced, but i recommend u to try it on before u buy it. But design wise i would say its a great unisex piece it has a strong male and female site. I am just 30 and wear it with street wear. So i dont think it will make you look too old, so dont worry;) but for sure its an elegant watch.
The Chopard is beautiful!!
Chopard did a great job overall, but it's just that the date window at 4 o'clock was quite out of place for a simple dial.
If I didn’t know anything about these watches I would chose the chopard 💯.
I had a craze for the Nautilus for about a month but it's not that great a work of art and would actually be boring to look at. The Chopard is smart yet dynamic. Quite cyberpunk or the sort of thing the tragic elite heads in Gibson's novels might wear. Perhaps someone could do a four figure watch that acts like a Reverso but with a smart watch on the other side.
how many grams is the chopard?
i like the chopard
CEA is just gorgeous vs the Patek! Unless given an opportunity to buy from Retail then Patek is a must buy for future investment.
Hacking seconds on a Nautilus?! You spoil us, ambassador!!
Just remember the dark side of owning a Patek. First, they think that they own your watch. You'll understand that comment when you own a few. Second, they won't re-polish the Nautilus cases anymore. They decline nearly every request. The work is simply too great for them. You'll need to send to one of the high end refinisher/restorers. A shame really. They want this to be their "Sport" watch. Yet they cater to people who leave them in vaults.
Many people complain about the value and street sale price of this watch but it is selling on the same principle why RM sells. Its instantly recognizable and everyone knows it goes for an absurd price . But, that is what the the majority of the new generation of Patek owners are looking for, ability to flaunt the price aspect. It wouldn't sell nearly as well if it was priced to be commensurate with the material, finishing, or technology. Yes, its a legendary design but if we are being honest, there is nothing special about the finishing or technology used in this watch in comparison to others in the same retail ballpark or even fractions. It sells because celebrities wear it, rap about it, and priced absurdly and Patek has according sold out to cater to these targeted clients.
I really like the Alpine Eagle on a rubber strap
Ouch! Said the 1st link in that bracelet
Looking at the bracelets I think the Chopard is a league above the Patek
I honestly do not understand these prices for some watch brands. The prices for the Patel makes me want to barf as a value investor. It is entirely driven by people playing status games.
The Patek is the best of the Genta designs for me, but I could not countenance what Patek charge for it, not even at retail never mind aftermarket. I think the Chopard is a fine effort in many respects. It's a pity they decided to use the screws because the fact that they don't line up would probably drive me mad over time. I would prefer if the bezel had been secured from behind. I've seriously considered an Alpine Eagle but, contrary to your view Tim, I find the grain on the dial a bit overdone. A bit like the screws, it's a design feature that tries too hard, whereas the Patek has an effortless quality to it that I really like. Sadly, it's a quality that is negated by the price.
Good
Is the Patek the Emperors new clothes in this company. Lovely watch but the movement could be considered almost prehistoric and badly in need of an update.
If Grandson of LUC had a child; it would still be a family/independently owned… Chopard took the time to focus a lot on details down to the screws so I’ll have to give it to Alpine Eagle. But if I’m acquiring to flip then Nautilus all the way!
i know the trend/bragging rights is for thinner watches but it has to suit your wrist, i feel like for me, the nautilus sits a little too low
I don’t agree that the pin sleeve bracelet on the Patek was done secondary to cost cutting. I don’t know the reasoning, but there has to be another reason.
They hand finish the movement and use white gold indices, but conclude they need to save some extra pennies by using pin sleeves over screws? That seems logical to you?
Money no object, Patek, my money, Chopard. The Chopard is 90% of the Patek for 10.9% of the price. So if you want to make this fair it should be 1 Nautilus to 10 Alpine Eagles.
You can buy Chopard for your whole family if you really like all of them.
Chopard for sure!
I really like the PP Nautilus. Heck, I might even go as high as $5k for one.
Why are there screws on the bezel?
Same reason they’re on the AP
The screws are functional, they lock the bazel, case and case back at once to have better water resistance.
$120k or $10k 5711 all the way for me. The non timed screws on the bezel of the Chopard would drive me crazy.
They are screws not bolts.
It's impossible to line up screws.
RO has bolts, Chopard has screws.
Although, I agree with you, misaligned screws drive me crazy as well, but we can't do anything about it.
@@nishantprakash5928 they can. It’s not cost effective or feasible though.
@@Innovativeindustries to do that, they are gonna need another batch of screws under side the case, now these screws won't line up.
And the bolts on the bezel will line up.
If they do that, they will be called out for copying RO.
So no brands usually go in that direction of aligning screws
I love the Chopard dial but have to say all the other elements look a little clunky to me whereas the Nautilus has an integrity which is pleasing but no way would I pay $100k for it.
Nothing against you personally, but it's really funny to see people say that about the Nautilus, when not even 10 years ago, people didn't vibe with the Nautilus design at all.
Yeah at current price of two I can’t see how one would choose 5711, unless you are a Patek diehard fan. Look very similar. Both brands are legit makers but both lack brand recognition among general public. If you want to impress, none of these two models is good. If you just wear for what it is, the Chopard one is as good as 5711, with a much lower price.
36mm non-date Alpine Eagle is the best
This one was fun!!
The price of the Nautilus is ridiculous, point by point the Chopard is better; I like it a lot more and I don't care if a seller loses money; the bubble will only harm a few ...
I don't know that anyone would say the differences or improvements are worth even the retail difference let alone gray market. The Chopart is more sporty with the case dimensions as well as more elegant with design and overall more interesting in general. It has a lot more going on with indices and screws and dial but not so much that it takes away from it at all or that it just screams for attention.
Chopard mainly because of the detail and design of the dial!
Both are handsome watches. But Nautilus doesn't make me stare at it. Alpine does.
Alpine Eagle vs GP Laureato vs Bulgari Octo Finissimo?
I'd take the Eagle or the Octo. The GP is a baby step down IMO
@@feedthefatrabbit1073 I’m curious as to why you think that regards the GP?
@@feedthefatrabbit1073 The heritage of GP can be a factor too though
@@TheDrewski88 just personal preference from a design standpoint. The GP is the best of the three in terms of heritage, and the movement is outstanding on them. I think all too often we lose why we buy crazy watches in the fist place - for the look, because we like them. Why is Rolex king, for instance? Because ppl are wrapped up in what other ppl think about their watch and public perception in general, when in actuality - nobody *really* cares. That's why the old saying 'buy what u like' is underutilized in today's market. JLC is my favorite brand for this exact reason. They check all my boxes while flying ever so slightly under the radar.
Chopard even if i had the budget is the better deal
That Chopard would've looked so much better without those screws.
I cant believe you get push pins for 34k from dealer, even worse that you get push pins for 110k used 😂
Back in the fall of 2001 I had the opportunity to buy a used PPN 3700 with box & papers for 7000€ plus my 16600 in a WEMPE store in Hamburg but having just started my 3 year WOSTEP watchmaking education and with a girlfriend and 7 month baby back home it just didn´t make sense at the time. Note to younger me; "F*cking buy it already"
As late as 2012 getting a 20% discount on any AP-RO was pretty much standard and once in Barcelona I had 6 of them in different sizes and dial colors lying on the desk front of me at an AD. Another note to younger me; "If you leave without at least one of these watches your an even bigger idiot now then back in 2001"
I wished they kept the Saint Moritz name...
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Nice, but give me a Casio Oceanus t200. Finishing on par with these two, the major difference being is that it's much more accurate.
The Nautilus design makes my stomach churn. It looks like a 70's TV set which is dorky. Another thing - the corner facets on the crystal annoy me as it's not quite round but not very jagged either. It's so subtle that it looks like an imperfection.
No Brainer Chopard !
Can’t decide if I like the alpine eagle or not, I do but I wouldn’t buy it
Chopard all the way
Chopard Alpine Eagle 📈
As an Patek 5990 owner. I pick the Alpine Eagle.
Alpine Eagle hands down a better looking watch.
Chopaed 😍
The dial is fabulous indeed. You need to see it for yourself. The camera does not render true to life.