You can read Cromwell's full letter to the King online. Henry ultimately regretted his actions, and his reign never really operated as well as it did with Cromwell.
You can see in Rafe’s face and words how much he badly wants Henry to forgive and release his master, but he can’t risk himself by going too far with it.
Yank Tudor phile here . All the productions have been good but of course dramatic license was taken with every one of them . What is true is that as time went on no one was safe in Henry’s court . His deteriorating physical and mental health made sure of that . Allegedly he later regretted getting rid of Cromwell because the tediousness of the maintenance of a Kingdom started piling up on him and Cromwell had been very competent in handling that .
Henry VIII was better suited to being a warrior king full-time, and he could have been up there with Edward III if Spurs had amounted to a proper chevauchée, and coordinated himself appropriately with Maximilian I.
Oh , please read the bit where he begs for mercy again. The vile self regard and narcissism of an awful human being , using people then casting them aside. Cromwell was no Saint ,but he served a monster. Yet these people still exist today ,and behave exactly the same......... we have moved on very little when it comes to power...
We should always forgive. Forgiveness is strainght, not weekness. Forgive is devine, fail is human, everybody knows that. Now, who never forgives it cannot be forgiven, except if he truly repent. One sign of repentance is never do the same bad thing again. Cromwell never forgive anyone, dont forgive Thomas Moore, George Boleyn and Anne, the Peregrinage of Grace, no one had is pardon, or tears. Just one who was burn alive, but he was his childwood friend. Cromwell dont feel sorry for no one of Henry VIII' victims. But ... when it came is time, he begs for mercy. Like most people of today he proved never love God or Jesus, because a person who feels closer to God, learns acepting death, and do not serve a king on the personal way. The people do what they told them to do, but the people its not like them, but some want to be. There is no treason, his fault was literaly Anne of Cleves. But mercy, he dont deserve it.
Damian Lewis portrays just about every facet of Henry VIII’s complex character in this scene. For example you can see in his eyes and tone of voice that he still has some affection for Cromwell as well Wolsey. And yet his pettiness and vindictiveness will not allow him to forgive them their “transgressions” against him. He also exhibits his vanity when he asks Sadler to reread the part about him living forever, he even smiles at the thought of it. He’s also reflective and sentimental. But in the end his ruthlessness won. Cromwell not only embarrassed him on the world stage with the Cleves affair but he was a constant reminder of Henry’s misdeeds.
His reason for rejecting her was never clear to me. Some say that SHE rejected him when he appeared before her the first time incognito. Does that mean his ego couldn't handle her rejection?
@@Beez-k7v: It is possible that Anne of Cleves actually rejected Henry, and not vice versa. The king was at that time not exactly a handsome man anymore. However, what we know about this marriage today is not what actually happened but the history that was written by more powerful people.
Cromwell was begging for his life after he’d been instrumental in sending numerous other people, including the Queen, to the gallows. That letter is a testament to his ultimate cowardice. He should have known his pleas would fall on deaf ears, having served a merciless King for years.
Cromwell undeniably strengthened the realm. But doing so empowered one of England's worst tyrants. Cromwell is an interesting combination of intelligence, duty, loyalty and naiveté. All creating a very powerful administrator and statesman. I would not call Cromwell a coward. Someone who believed they truly did their duty to the realm in their actions. I sense a feeling of confusion in Cromwell in his letter, not truly understanding that Henry didn't understand his value. After Cromwells death was when Henry felt it. Which adds another layer of depth to their relationship.
@@rileydavidson207 It would not have been necessary to strengthen England's sea fortifications if England had not antagonized the papacy and the continental powers. The money collected from the dissolved monasteries was soon squandered, in the tradition of government thievery. The two worst periods of English tyranny involved a Cromwell: the Henrician Supremacy and the Commonwealth. Compare Cromwell's slavish begging from the Tower to Lavrenty Beriya, Soviet chief of secret police, begging not to be executed. Sir Thomas More and Bishop John Fisher didn't beg because they were decent men.
@@renshiwu305 When has England not been antagonistic with European powers? Cromwell was one of those opposed to fighting France, while Italy, Venice, Spain, HRE etc. were constantly asking Henry to invade France on their behalf.
You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. Cromwell had little to lose and by reminding Henry of his service he had a chance to preserve his life and if not then at least give his son a better chance of surviving after Thomas' fall.
Hilary Mantel was quite kind to Cromwell, whom she revered for his anti-Catholic beliefs (which she openly shared). The fact is, Cromwell was somewhat of a snake himself and a keen enabler of Henry's tyranny. As a matter of fact, Cromwell paved the way for European absolutism, which is ironic considering the actions of his distant relative Oliver Cromwell a century later.
They say that Henry was very badly injured in a jousting contest and that he never fully recovered. It’s when he began to put on alit of weight and became very sedentary. They say his personality also changed dramatically and he became given to long fits of rage and mood swings and paranoia, and cruelty towards those who he felt were not loyal. It is believed he suffered some sort of traumatic brain injury that greatly and permanently altered his personality 🤷♂️
Likely true, and he was early on a robust young King. His mind and his mood swings and declining health over years (including an oozing leg ulcer which never healed properly) led to a sedentary life. Weight gain and paranoia about the very real fragility of the Tudor dynasty, and his excommunication by Rome (though he still went only to Latin mass, a fact unknown to Hollywood and gen Z) all were part of the change to tyrant.
like other kings was any different ..Gustav Vasa of Sweden i bet Cromwell took the idea to strip the church ...Gustav Vasa also promised the "Dal-borna" (group ppl) reward if they fought the danes... When he became king , the Dal-borna asked for the reward and the Dalsborna got slaughtered when protested when Gustav Vasa brake his promise
Mentally ill IMO. I think he probably regretted the executions of his wives as well as Cromwell after they took place. But an estimated 70,000 executions during his reign is madness defined. Kings themselves have been known to have been snuffed for less.
Henry was just the same as every other monarch at the time ruthless! So much plotting and scheming to get and keep the throne! Keeping it was no small feat considering loyalty was not a forgone conclussion even within his inner most circle and most of his court were powerful men in their own right with their own eye on the throne! Even close confidants can become threats if they get too high and mighty
Very true, and the Tudor dynasty had many adversaries, both domestic and foreign. It was never solid and ended up being replaced by the Stuarts of Scotland
Cromwell did what Henry wanted. Had Cromwell refused to do what Henry wanted done, he would have lost his life. No, resignation was not an option. That would have only resulted in the loss of his job as well as his life. Besides, Cromwell said he converted to the "original religion" just before he was executed. Call it Cromwell's revenge.
You make that up? Cite a source. There was only the original religion in England while Henry was alive. Stop listening to Hollywood misinformation. The C of E was formed by the boy King Edward and his Protestant tutors and Archbishop Cranmer. ONLY when Henry was dead, and gone. Henry was an excommunicated RC and only an RC.
I am reading the book right now in hope to finish before the show is broadcast (my understanding it's scheduled for March) so I won't be watching any of these shorts. Since I'm an Anglophile and a historian. None of it is new to me, except for the emotions I never expected to feel for these characters.
Henry enjoyed listening to Crums pleas for mercy. Its a sadistic power game for him. His ego needed stroking that is why he needed to hear about "being forever young". A prime example of a malignant narcissist.
The whole Feudal system was nothing more than a protection racket, where do you think the Mafia got the inspiration? The Crown's protection racket extended to the colonies. When thirteen colonies realized that the Crown was collecting payment without providing protection they left.
Cromwell was loyal to the very end. Henry was loyal to nothing but himself. When I learned about Henry VIII as a kid, he seemed somewhat cool and interesting. But having actually learned about him, he was the worst.
It's a real shame that Greensleeves was the Christmas number one that year instead of Billy Mack, otherwise Ralph might have been able to sneak past the distracted Tower guards and rescue Cromwell!
❤They’re actors yes---But in no way do they Mock their heritage history or tradition, i cant help to be entertained by the seriousness in which they apply their English Pride to the play….
A shocking lack of diversity from the BBC, Henry VIII should be black in order to reflect modern England and it's population demographic, terrible from the BBC... Just terrible
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You can read Cromwell's full letter to the King online. Henry ultimately regretted his actions, and his reign never really operated as well as it did with Cromwell.
Link please...
You can see in Rafe’s face and words how much he badly wants Henry to forgive and release his master, but he can’t risk himself by going too far with it.
According to the book Cromwell instructed Rafe to step carefully to preserve his own life and status.
@ then the actor did a great job of showing exactly that. Obviously took the good advice on board!
Wasn't he the boy in Love Actually?
@DanBeech-ht7sw He is. The talented TBS
@ he was. Well spotted.
The irony of Thomas Brodie-Sangster expressing someone’s desire for another to live forever young, when he’s achieved that feat himself.
The Three-Eyed Raven doesn’t age.
@@aprilshowersstormtrooperuntil this moment o didn’t realize it was the actor from game of the owns - not
What an incredible performance by Damian Lewis. A great, great actor.
A great actor here and in The Forsyte Saga.
I thought that was him. He is a great actor!
Mayor Winters is a good squad leader AND actor.
I'm beginning to understand why Rafe had such a successful diplomatic career after this, he really learned by going through the fire
Yank Tudor phile here . All the productions have been good but of course dramatic license was taken with every one of them . What is true is that as time went on no one was safe in Henry’s court . His deteriorating physical and mental health made sure of that . Allegedly he later regretted getting rid of Cromwell because the tediousness of the maintenance of a Kingdom started piling up on him and Cromwell had been very competent in handling that .
So was Wolsey.
He also kinda regretted More as well.
Henry VIII was better suited to being a warrior king full-time, and he could have been up there with Edward III if Spurs had amounted to a proper chevauchée, and coordinated himself appropriately with Maximilian I.
Oh , please read the bit where he begs for mercy again. The vile self regard and narcissism of an awful human being , using people then casting them aside. Cromwell was no Saint ,but he served a monster. Yet these people still exist today ,and behave exactly the same......... we have moved on very little when it comes to power...
We should always forgive. Forgiveness is strainght, not weekness.
Forgive is devine, fail is human, everybody knows that. Now, who never forgives it cannot be forgiven, except if he truly repent. One sign of repentance is never do the same bad thing again. Cromwell never forgive anyone, dont forgive Thomas Moore, George Boleyn and Anne, the Peregrinage of Grace, no one had is pardon, or tears. Just one who was burn alive, but he was his childwood friend. Cromwell dont feel sorry for no one of Henry VIII' victims. But ... when it came is time, he begs for mercy. Like most people of today he proved never love God or Jesus, because a person who feels closer to God, learns acepting death, and do not serve a king on the personal way. The people do what they told them to do, but the people its not like them, but some want to be.
There is no treason, his fault was literaly Anne of Cleves. But mercy, he dont deserve it.
Henry was the first Brexiteer.
Damian Lewis portrays just about every facet of Henry VIII’s complex character in this scene. For example you can see in his eyes and tone of voice that he still has some affection for Cromwell as well Wolsey. And yet his pettiness and vindictiveness will not allow him to forgive them their “transgressions” against him. He also exhibits his vanity when he asks Sadler to reread the part about him living forever, he even smiles at the thought of it. He’s also reflective and sentimental. But in the end his ruthlessness won. Cromwell not only embarrassed him on the world stage with the Cleves affair but he was a constant reminder of Henry’s misdeeds.
I'll say this for Henry. He never skipped a shoulder workout.
😂
Has anyone noticed that every person who had a close relationship with Henry VIII ended up with some awful death, usually blatantly unfair.
His former wife and later king's beloved sister Anne of Cleves got to chill in Heaver Castle for the rest of her life, Henry was a gent to her
His reason for rejecting her was never clear to me. Some say that SHE rejected him when he appeared before her the first time incognito. Does that mean his ego couldn't handle her rejection?
@@Beez-k7v: It is possible that Anne of Cleves actually rejected Henry, and not vice versa. The king was at that time not exactly a handsome man anymore. However, what we know about this marriage today is not what actually happened but the history that was written by more powerful people.
Anne came from a very powerful German Duchy so Henry wouldn't have dared to execute her like Boleyn. He was a murderous spoilt brat who never grew up.
Well oddly enough despite all the times the Duke of Suffolk disobeyed him, they remained close friends till the last.
Cromwell was begging for his life after he’d been instrumental in sending numerous other people, including the Queen, to the gallows. That letter is a testament to his ultimate cowardice. He should have known his pleas would fall on deaf ears, having served a merciless King for years.
Cromwell undeniably strengthened the realm. But doing so empowered one of England's worst tyrants.
Cromwell is an interesting combination of intelligence, duty, loyalty and naiveté. All creating a very powerful administrator and statesman.
I would not call Cromwell a coward. Someone who believed they truly did their duty to the realm in their actions. I sense a feeling of confusion in Cromwell in his letter, not truly understanding that Henry didn't understand his value. After Cromwells death was when Henry felt it. Which adds another layer of depth to their relationship.
@@rileydavidson207 It would not have been necessary to strengthen England's sea fortifications if England had not antagonized the papacy and the continental powers. The money collected from the dissolved monasteries was soon squandered, in the tradition of government thievery. The two worst periods of English tyranny involved a Cromwell: the Henrician Supremacy and the Commonwealth. Compare Cromwell's slavish begging from the Tower to Lavrenty Beriya, Soviet chief of secret police, begging not to be executed. Sir Thomas More and Bishop John Fisher didn't beg because they were decent men.
@@renshiwu305 When has England not been antagonistic with European powers? Cromwell was one of those opposed to fighting France, while Italy, Venice, Spain, HRE etc. were constantly asking Henry to invade France on their behalf.
You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. Cromwell had little to lose and by reminding Henry of his service he had a chance to preserve his life and if not then at least give his son a better chance of surviving after Thomas' fall.
@@renshiwu305 someone's view of history is a little biased here...
If you serve a snake eventually you will get bitten.
Hilary Mantel was quite kind to Cromwell, whom she revered for his anti-Catholic beliefs (which she openly shared). The fact is, Cromwell was somewhat of a snake himself and a keen enabler of Henry's tyranny. As a matter of fact, Cromwell paved the way for European absolutism, which is ironic considering the actions of his distant relative Oliver Cromwell a century later.
Why would she admire Cromwell, when before his execution he said that he had converted back to the "original religion"?
Cromwell risked his life as part of the project to translate the bible into English from Latin, so that anyone could read it.
They say that Henry was very badly injured in a jousting contest and that he never fully recovered. It’s when he began to put on alit of weight and became very sedentary. They say his personality also changed dramatically and he became given to long fits of rage and mood swings and paranoia, and cruelty towards those who he felt were not loyal. It is believed he suffered some sort of traumatic brain injury that greatly and permanently altered his personality 🤷♂️
His grandfather Edward IV also became obese though so Henry VIII could just be taking after his grandfather.
@ that’s wouldn’t account for his dramatic shift in personality after the injury.
Likely true, and he was early on a robust young King. His mind and his mood swings and declining health over years (including an oozing leg ulcer which never healed properly) led to a sedentary life. Weight gain and paranoia about the very real fragility of the Tudor dynasty, and his excommunication by Rome (though he still went only to Latin mass, a fact unknown to Hollywood and gen Z) all were part of the change to tyrant.
Henry was an absolute monster
Far more important things to be concerned with than that!
True but I’m commenting on the video
like other kings was any different ..Gustav Vasa of Sweden i bet Cromwell took the idea to strip the church ...Gustav Vasa also promised the "Dal-borna" (group ppl) reward if they fought the danes...
When he became king , the Dal-borna asked for the reward and the Dalsborna got slaughtered when protested when Gustav Vasa brake his promise
True. But Cromwell was his willing minion. I would not want to be in either of their shoes on the Last Day.
Mentally ill IMO. I think he probably regretted the executions of his wives as well as Cromwell after they took place. But an estimated 70,000 executions during his reign is madness defined. Kings themselves have been known to have been snuffed for less.
Forgiveness of both Cromwell and Henry will always elude me. -C
Not yours or mine to forgive.
Henry the VIII was a psychotic king who regretted this decision almost immediately.
This might just be the finest portrayal of King Henry VIII in the history of the screen.
This was an amazing show❤️❤️❤️
Henry was just the same as every other monarch at the time ruthless! So much plotting and scheming to get and keep the throne! Keeping it was no small feat considering loyalty was not a forgone conclussion even within his inner most circle and most of his court were powerful men in their own right with their own eye on the throne! Even close confidants can become threats if they get too high and mighty
Very true, and the Tudor dynasty had many adversaries, both domestic and foreign. It was never solid and ended up being replaced by the Stuarts of Scotland
Henry VIII was the worst thing to ever happen to England and it affected the rest of the world up to this day.
King John was worse.
Cromwell did what Henry wanted. Had Cromwell refused to do what Henry wanted done, he would have lost his life. No, resignation was not an option. That would have only resulted in the loss of his job as well as his life. Besides, Cromwell said he converted to the "original religion" just before he was executed. Call it Cromwell's revenge.
What, he reconverted to Catholicism?
You make that up? Cite a source. There was only the original religion in England while Henry was alive. Stop listening to Hollywood misinformation. The C of E was formed by the boy King Edward and his Protestant tutors and Archbishop Cranmer. ONLY when Henry was dead, and gone. Henry was an excommunicated RC and only an RC.
His ghost in the form of Oliver Cromwell would wage vengeance against the monarchy.
this is NOT a very historically accurate Cromwell
he was a hard man, who had no problem with all kinds of horror, except the horror of his own death
Farewell Master Cromwell, 😔
Heartbreaking
Better not to live under a monarch, then...
we have all encountered monsters like Henry viii. Totally unreasonable and totally selfish.
I am reading the book right now in hope to finish before the show is broadcast (my understanding it's scheduled for March) so I won't be watching any of these shorts. Since I'm an Anglophile and a historian. None of it is new to me, except for the emotions I never expected to feel for these characters.
Henry enjoyed listening to Crums pleas for mercy. Its a sadistic power game for him. His ego needed stroking that is why he needed to hear about "being forever young". A prime example of a malignant narcissist.
In today's world, did anyone come to mind?
Aye who put Henry on Ozempic?
These people are nothing more than Mafia bosses! Hysterical.
I was a uni student when I figured that out. Every realm is no more than "our thing".
The whole Feudal system was nothing more than a protection racket, where do you think the Mafia got the inspiration? The Crown's protection racket extended to the colonies. When thirteen colonies realized that the Crown was collecting payment without providing protection they left.
Cromwell was loyal to the very end. Henry was loyal to nothing but himself. When I learned about Henry VIII as a kid, he seemed somewhat cool and interesting. But having actually learned about him, he was the worst.
It's a real shame that Greensleeves was the Christmas number one that year instead of Billy Mack, otherwise Ralph might have been able to sneak past the distracted Tower guards and rescue Cromwell!
For the seconds, I thought that guy was LA Knight or Shamus lol .
It's a shame for they, lost their head...
It is believed that Henry weighed around thirty five stone in his later years.
All in the name of Love.... Actually
;)
Good Video! :D
Poor Cromwell.
My Sunday nights are boring again without Wolf Hall
You did it to yourself Cromey. You set up Ann Bolen and this is your karma.
He did what Henry wanted
Coming in March to the U.S....
And some more 🙏👍😇
Screw Cromwell
❤They’re actors yes---But in no way do they Mock their heritage history or tradition, i cant help to be entertained by the seriousness in which they apply their English Pride to the play….
Nice
A true pyschopath.
A shocking lack of diversity from the BBC, Henry VIII should be black in order to reflect modern England and it's population demographic, terrible from the BBC... Just terrible
I assume --or rather hope -- that this was made in jest.
😂
always gotta be about politics, yeah?
@@derps8690 Yeah, gonna cry?
Are you kidding? No one could be that ..... whatever
sounds like trump
Thomas Sangster Rafe’s actor agrees
OT!!
Benny Hill considered funnier than Monty Python by two TV stations--WOR and WLVI!
Where's Kate? My AI chat bot agrees there's no credible evidence she lives.
🇺🇸The world needs protective Nation loving Kings --the time for Monarchy has come again
Monarchy has not saved Britain
OT!!
Benny Hill considered funnier than Monty Python by two TV stations--WOR and WLVI!