It's crazy to think Tamzin Merchant was 24 years old playing 17 year old Katherine Howard and Sarah Bolger was 17 years old playing 24 year old Mary Tudor.
@@lilovs9952True, but after everything she had been through up to that point, this probably didn’t register much on Mary I’s radar in comparison short of loosing the servants. Honestly after dealing with the crap Henry and Anne threw at her alone (like not being able to go to own mother’s funeral), this interaction with probably wasn’t even an after thought.
Honestly I'm with Mary on this one, In a very protestant and reformd England where you were being forced to live, I'd also have that attitude. Espcially if a teenager much younger than me is in a higher ank than me.
Ironically, Catherine Howard represented the Catholic interests at court. That is precisely why Cranmer and the Seymour brothers ultimately brought her down.
Yepp….Hollywood fantasizes it….back in those days there was rotten teeth from lack of toothpaste/fluoride/floss and no braces….no makeup, no shampoo/conditioner….they looked way different (worse) back in those days.
The Howard girl resembles more an insipid 21st century California girl than a 16th century Tudor. Totally unbelievable though the Mary character is spot on.
I'm pretty sure irl the real Katherine Howard held more decorum than this portrayal. But yeah, she and Mary did not get along, and their argument did end with the crown removing 2 of Mary's ladies so that Lady Mary would...'behave.'
@@MargaretMcLaughlin-c7dthat would sum up Katherine Howard. She was so so young and as far as we know behaved like a spoiled brat, thinking her looks would be enough.
This Katherine Howard is ridiculous. The actress is playing her like she’s in Heathers or some other teen movie. Katherine was young but I doubt if she acted like that.
@@nathanandcaraparryWhat she was brilliant in The Tudors. She's nothing like this in real life. She's supposed to be acting like a little girl because the character is naive. Emilia Clarke who ended up playing Khalisi wasn't good at all. She sounded like she was reading off a script and her personality although more bubbly in real life and not a narcissist tyrant wasn't't far off her on screen character.
Honestly, while I'm sure the real Katherine Howard wasn't like this, the Katherine Howard in this show was so insufferable that I didn't even feel bad about her losing her head. Not after the way she disrespected Mary.
one was a teen ... a very young teen the other was older.... the young was not educated almost at all ...while she was educated from birth to be a queen... the difference between them is enoumous... She was braty because was yong stupid and did not understood anything regarding life politics ... anything.... unfortunately for her the second a few month past and she did not get pregnant her faith was sealed ... she was a pon in man games and she did not realised it ...not even when she died ... Ane that was much older and smarter and did fulish things ... she had no chance at all
But her Uncle, the Duke of Norfolk, could have given her a few lessons in Royal behaviour. No wonder Henry got tired and was prepared to believe the accusations of adultery.@@violetlavi2207
Oh absolutely, he was dazzled by her looks and she was fun, vivacious and just the thing a man in midlife crisis thought he wanted. If he kept her as a mistress instead of marrying her it would have been better for everyone.
Queen Catherine of Aragon was directing battles while her husband the king was abroad. Yes for a consort, queen, such things, instead of ruling and being a role model for her people can be seen as frivolous and not worth the position.
@@benjalucian1515 You're right! A person can't possibly like clothes and dancing SOME of the time! Rulers NEVER have downtime! If you like those things they take up every single second of your time and attention. I mean, every single king in history never hunted, jousted, prayed, danced, wrote poetry, gambled or did anything except rule!!!!!!
Before when previously listening to this scene, I thought mary was rather truthful, but upon retrospection, she was quite cruel in a brazenly misogynistic fashion to her step mom.
It's probably just to demonstrate how much younger she is in comparison to much of the cast. Instead of hiring new actors to portray age, they tried to keep the same ones the entire time. You can age them up and still come out with them looking pretty youthful. So looking like a 12 year old isn't historically accurate, but here it's socially accurate.
Because at the time people, men and women started taking adult roles as young as 15 if not 14. Men sent to war, ruling over castles, working in the mines and fields, women getting married and bearing children. She was 17 and married for a little while now, perfectly normal at that period in history for people to expect her to be pregnant. And in fact we are much more fertile at 16/17 than say 25 so it's very easy to get pregnant at 17.
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Honestly in these scene it looks like Mary is trying to warm Katherine what her future is because shes seen it over and over
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It's crazy to think Tamzin Merchant was 24 years old playing 17 year old Katherine Howard and Sarah Bolger was 17 years old playing 24 year old Mary Tudor.
Bruh that was insane. To me Sarah really looked older than Tamzin
This is just a show BUT Henry was obviously an egotistical idiot being an infirm old man marrying a little girl and making her queen.
I love Tamzin Merchant she did such a great job portraying a teenage Queen!❤ and Sarah Bolger was perfection as Princess Mary Tudor❤
My husband popped in while I was watching one of these scenes and I kid you not he goes "she acts like a bratty teenager" and I said "she is" 😂😂😂😂
We know why you love her, as do we all.
Mary knew nothing was gonna happen to her ….
Not when your Grandparents were the two Spanish Monarchs & ur cousin is the Emperor 😆
Actually, lots happened to her. She was mistreated, humiliated, slapped and put aside several times. You two must be thinking of another mary
@@lilovs9952I think they're referring to Lady Mary losing 2 of her maids as a direct result of this interaction.
@@lilovs9952True, but after everything she had been through up to that point, this probably didn’t register much on Mary I’s radar in comparison short of loosing the servants. Honestly after dealing with the crap Henry and Anne threw at her alone (like not being able to go to own mother’s funeral), this interaction with probably wasn’t even an after thought.
Honestly I'm with Mary on this one, In a very protestant and reformd England where you were being forced to live, I'd also have that attitude. Espcially if a teenager much younger than me is in a higher ank than me.
England wasn't Protestant under Henry VIII. He was always a Catholic and hated Protestants .
Ironically, Catherine Howard represented the Catholic interests at court. That is precisely why Cranmer and the Seymour brothers ultimately brought her down.
She may grow old without a husband, but at least she'll have her head...
And she did get a husband, one that didn't chop her head off.
Is it just me or did everyone in ‘The Tudors’ seem so unrealistically good looking for the era?
Yepp….Hollywood fantasizes it….back in those days there was rotten teeth from lack of toothpaste/fluoride/floss and no braces….no makeup, no shampoo/conditioner….they looked way different (worse) back in those days.
Agree. Not a documentary on certain historic events but modern, very commercial series designed to be attractive to the audience
That and they didn't have the makeup that we do..
The the premise of a bodice ripping drama. Everyone is suppose to be hot, modern, and messy lol.
If you put the actual unattractive people in the film, you won't watch the movie, and they would be broke.
The Howard girl resembles more an insipid 21st century California girl than a 16th century Tudor. Totally unbelievable though the Mary character is spot on.
She definitely is a Regina George of her day.
She's straight from the musical "Hairspray".
Mary drawing metaphorical blood before they even called her Bloody Mary....
Wrong Mary
@@allanfifield8256…no, this is indeed Mary I, aka Bloody Mary
@@violetlavi2207 Thank You
I love her "mean teen girl" characterization
"I am removing 2 of your maids from your service," and then her dad removes her head! Karma?
I'm pretty sure irl the real Katherine Howard held more decorum than this portrayal. But yeah, she and Mary did not get along, and their argument did end with the crown removing 2 of Mary's ladies so that Lady Mary would...'behave.'
The ham actress trying to portray Catherine Howard acts like she's throwing a wobbly because she couldn't get tickets for a Harry Styles gig.......
@@MargaretMcLaughlin-c7dthat would sum up Katherine Howard. She was so so young and as far as we know behaved like a spoiled brat, thinking her looks would be enough.
This Katherine Howard is ridiculous. The actress is playing her like she’s in Heathers or some other teen movie. Katherine was young but I doubt if she acted like that.
Totally agree. She did not act well in this escene, but also the dialogues are very bad written
I agree with you 100%. But this the show "The Tudors" so I kind of gave it a leeway since everything is very soap-opera-ish.
she did take away 2 maids away from mary in reality
To think, this was the original actress chosen to play Dayanerys in GOT. So glad they changed.
@@nathanandcaraparryWhat she was brilliant in The Tudors. She's nothing like this in real life. She's supposed to be acting like a little girl because the character is naive. Emilia Clarke who ended up playing Khalisi wasn't good at all. She sounded like she was reading off a script and her personality although more bubbly in real life and not a narcissist tyrant wasn't't far off her on screen character.
Lady Mary at the end will have the last laugh
I see parallels with Mary and Anne here.
Honestly, while I'm sure the real Katherine Howard wasn't like this, the Katherine Howard in this show was so insufferable that I didn't even feel bad about her losing her head. Not after the way she disrespected Mary.
one was a teen ... a very young teen the other was older.... the young was not educated almost at all ...while she was educated from birth to be a queen... the difference between them is enoumous... She was braty because was yong stupid and did not understood anything regarding life politics ... anything.... unfortunately for her the second a few month past and she did not get pregnant her faith was sealed ... she was a pon in man games and she did not realised it ...not even when she died ... Ane that was much older and smarter and did fulish things ... she had no chance at all
Really? I felt more sorry for her than anything. She was too young to have the amount of power she did, and not taught proper royal manners
This actress gave Catherine Howard all the gravitas of a bad-tempered Prom Queen.
This scene here, btw Mary and Catherine Howard, was a reflective version btw Catherine of Aragon and Anne Bolyen. ❤
Except comparing Anne BOLEYN to Catherine Howard is like comparing Albert Einstein to Donald Trump.
The characterization of Katherine is almost comedic ; who thought direction like this was a good idea ? It bloody well wasn't!
Well she is meant to be a teenager
@violetlavi2207 of that descent and of that time period it's just not believable a young lady of this status would behave like this
I was looking for this comment! It looks as if the character was taken out of any of those mean girls movies of the 90's. Bad acting worse direction.
@@violetlavi2207but not a 1990's teenager.... She behaves as if she comes straight out of one of those cheerleading movies.
But her Uncle, the Duke of Norfolk, could have given her a few lessons in Royal behaviour. No wonder Henry got tired and was prepared to believe the accusations of adultery.@@violetlavi2207
This is the most ludicrous portrayal of Catherine Howard: would Henry have REALLY married such a silly little bratty airhead? It's laughable!!!
Well she was a teenager in real life. How much more mature do you think she acted?
I'm afraid this particular actress was a total ham. Back to drama school, methinks.@@violetlavi2207
Oh absolutely, he was dazzled by her looks and she was fun, vivacious and just the thing a man in midlife crisis thought he wanted. If he kept her as a mistress instead of marrying her it would have been better for everyone.
Just like high school 🏫. Times change but girls never do 😂
“Perhaps you’ll never be married and will grow old a maid” 😂😂😂🤭 how petty lmao.
For me i think its actually so funny
Liking CLOTHES? DANCING? How horrible!
It might be seen as "horrible" if you were struggling to get by.
Queen Catherine of Aragon was directing battles while her husband the king was abroad. Yes for a consort, queen, such things, instead of ruling and being a role model for her people can be seen as frivolous and not worth the position.
@@benjalucian1515 You're right! A person can't possibly like clothes and dancing SOME of the time! Rulers NEVER have downtime! If you like those things they take up every single second of your time and attention. I mean, every single king in history never hunted, jousted, prayed, danced, wrote poetry, gambled or did anything except rule!!!!!!
@@letolethe3344 But we're talking about Catherine Howard and Tudor queens.
She's a teenager foe f××× sakes. Lol!!
Before when previously listening to this scene, I thought mary was rather truthful, but upon retrospection, she was quite cruel in a brazenly misogynistic fashion to her step mom.
I thought the Tudors didn’t show their hair
I’m fairly certain they did, but not from the front because of the headdresses they wore
They showed their hair. Or else we wouldn’t know the hair colours of any of Henry’s queens
Why does Katherine look like a twelve year old?
It's probably just to demonstrate how much younger she is in comparison to much of the cast. Instead of hiring new actors to portray age, they tried to keep the same ones the entire time. You can age them up and still come out with them looking pretty youthful. So looking like a 12 year old isn't historically accurate, but here it's socially accurate.
@persephonehades7547 oh, I see. That's very interesting..
Because Katherine is a teen girl. She was around 17 when wedded to Henry and 18 when she died.
As old as twelve?
Lady Mary you'll always be remembered. Mistress Howard, not so much.
In a nut- shell perfect meaning🤝🏻
Why do people like a mass murderer more than a poor innocent child? It’s really weird and creepy
Why do people like a literal disgusting human being more than a innocent child
@@Dsha2012 FRRR katherine was only estimated to be 15 or 17 at the max.... so weird.
Girl😂
I hate monarchy
Monarchy hates you back.
She was only nice to Jane and Anne in real life probably only Anne.
I think you char
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Misarable Mary
How can she be pregnant at 17!!!! Mary
Because at the time people, men and women started taking adult roles as young as 15 if not 14. Men sent to war, ruling over castles, working in the mines and fields, women getting married and bearing children.
She was 17 and married for a little while now, perfectly normal at that period in history for people to expect her to be pregnant. And in fact we are much more fertile at 16/17 than say 25 so it's very easy to get pregnant at 17.
Read "Romeo and Juliet". Juliet 's mother made a remark at what age she gave a birth to Juliet. Happened then and happens now. Unfortunately.