Does Southgate have to go all in with Phil Foden OR Jude Bellingham? 🤔 | ESPN FC Extra Time
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- Опубліковано 30 чер 2024
- Stewart Robson, Shaka Hislop and Steve Nicol join Dan Thomas on ESPN FC Extra Time to answer fans' questions and discuss:
0:00 Robbo's summer
1:02 Stevie wearing socks on the beach
2:47 Is it Foden or Bellingham?
3:19 Southgate's choices in Germany
3:57 Have international teams lost their style?
5:01 Importance of assistant coaches
6:04 Has Stevie played against George Haji?
7:44 Does Stevie like coffee more than tea?
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The chemistry the crew have is.. Something unique
The fact that Southgate never tried out a Rice-Bellingham-Foden midfield over THREE games is gross negligence to say the least
If he does that he will 100% be fired because of the English and Madrid media PR merchant Bellingham being forced to play out of position
@@Prasko131your wrong that would be Bellinghams true position CM
He tried it in warm up games. Didn't work. But I'd still try again.
😂 does Foden need 40 more caps to not be small, slow and weak?
4213 with foden playing as central cam and Bellingham and rice behind him should work
Socks on the beach is shocking 😂 “I’ve got to agree it’s not a good look” 😆
This show could win an Emmy for comedy. They crack me up every time. 😂
indeed. tremendous crew, especially the grumpy old men from Scotland and England.
Facts
Dan is so funny
1:40 Robo from the top rope 🤣'Lucky no one harpooned you' calling Stevie a whale 🤣
It's the lampard Gerrard debate all over again it's embarrassing
I have to say - I'm a Floridian, used to be as dark as a chocolate bunny when I was a kid, but i'm not any more and I've worn socks on the beach several times to protect my feet, which are far too white compared to my arms and legs which get a tan from playing a lot of tennis.
I love this random comment outta nowhere.
@@hungchoonghow5857 Had to defend the old man - he's just thinkin'. And socks on the beach actually feels pretty cool. :D
Steve with sox 😂
Lol Stevie took me back to my childhood with coffee made with milk, i used to drink it all the time. Nowadays people call it a latte!
Gheorghe Hagi man - everyone playing against Hagi feared Hagi getting the ball.
How did nagelsmann get wirtz and musiala In the same team then?
Wirtz plays on the right, Musiala as the 10.
But people complain about Foden being used in a similar way.
by being a better coach than Bareth Northdoor
@@joelww2501they don’t have wingers, they have 2 10s
@@chillies8845 Maybe you don't watch Germany or just have no tactical knowledge but they have only one 10 and it's neither of them, it's Gundo
Do you even watched game or you came from highlights kid ??🤡 musiala play everywhere he can he is free man in nagelsmann team and gundo press forward and writz is the ball carrier of the team .@@joelww2501
6:50 Gheorghe Hagi, no joke, guy was a very amazing player, they called him the Maradona of the Carpathians
“Have you ever had coffee? Well let me tell you about my black and white TV” 😂 bro I love Shaka
Socks at a beach on hot summer day! Way to go Stevie! :D hahaha
They can work together it’s just that Foden has to be in the role that Bellingham is in and put Bellingham farther back.
anything to fit the english man? foden super sub play the british boy bells
@@maricapitaljorswats6694 what?
@@maricapitaljorswats6694 It won't be long until these lot start saying that Foden's best position is right wing, where he played for his club, and start demanding him starting ahead of Saka.
@@Chip_FuseNah play him at 10, drop Bellingham to number 8, let Rice continue at 6, problem solved
@@abongilezolanipeterson5588 I'm talking about after that.
4:44 Shaka literally just proved the point of the question right & doesn't even realize it. Lol, some pundits this lot are
Shaka has low IQ it’s obvious , he makes me wince with his lack of knowledge.
Southgate out Ralph in!
Ralph Lauren?
@@ronnyron4681 play with style
I also understood Stevie the way he responded regarding drinking coffee. My understanding from his first answer was that he wasn't a coffee drinker before - as in, didn't regularly drink it. I wasn't under the impression he had NEVER drunk it. Dan always looking to wind him up.
Exactly.
England will need a miracle against Slovakia to go through!
Seriously?.. England have been poor but Slovakia?? Stick to netball girlie
@@thesaintst1851 England are in danger of getting eliminated early againts Slovakia
Going home soon
I’ll come back after the match to ridicule this awful comment
@@thesaintst1851actually.... we ( ICELAND ) beat England with disciplined defense and counterattacks.
I DONT SEE COPA AMERICA TEAMS STRUGGLING WITH STYLE AT ALL THEY SHOULD TELL MBAPPE THAT AS WELL 😂
It’s obvious to many people that Phil Foden and Jude Bellingham cannot play in the same team of Gareth Southgate is going to regularly both of them out of position. For England, Foden has been starting their games out wide as a left winger and whenever they have the ball, he’s drifting centrally which is an area of the pitch where he’s at his best and a concern for them in that regard is that the left side is often isolated and there’s no overlapping fullback or natural left sided winger when most of your attacks are on the right side and the player who starts on the left is occupying the same positions that Kane and Bellingham take up. For many years at Tottenham alongside Heung Min Son, Marcus Rashford and Raheem Sterling for the England national team, those profile of wingers have a great understanding when they play alongside Kane in attack and they need someone like that and they have to play Anthony Gordon more. I don’t want to make the “out of position” excuse especially when they can’t operate well in Southgate’s system, realistically speaking, he can play anywhere, Bellingham isn’t a natural attacking midfielder as he only played there because Real Madrid didn’t have a proper number 9 and in a team that has Foden and Palmer why is he still playing as a number 10.
He’s not going to dictate the pace of a game since he’s not that type of midfielder as in their last 2 games, he’s been regularly losing possession of the ball, his role is to make deep runs into the box and try to protect their defense. Kane is dropping way too deep and while that’s a frustration among fans and pundits, there has to be a more balanced approach when it comes to all 3 of their key players going forward. There is a stat that says that Foden has completed more passes to Pickford than he has to Kane and this is a sign of England’s lack of chemistry and all the best players on the pitch not clicking together. If you’re gonna play them in the same team then Foden should be the number 10 and then Bellingham should be a deep lying midfielder and the perfect partner next to Declan Rice. Here’s the thing what’s gonna happen with Kobbie Mainoo because with the way he played after he came on at half time as he was making passes and tried to impact the game, what do you do with him surely he has to start against Slovakia, what do you do with Cole Palmer as he had his moments off the bench, do you start him at right wing ahead of Bukayo Saka or do you accommodate Palmer play him at right wing and then put Saka at left back which is a position that he played in at the start of his career and there isn’t any proper left backs in the team. As we’ve said for many months, it’s difficult to really pick the best starting XI with the England national team and their continued poor performances in the group stages means that Southgate has a lot of changes to make before Sunday’s game to make sure that he’s getting the most out of these players because when you have a lot of talent in the team it doesn’t matter how good they are, you have to try and fit the right players in the best team rather than try to accommodate all of your best players because that has created a big imbalance and the signs that Jude Bellingham and Phil Foden can’t play together, England faced a similar situation when they had Steven Gerrard and Frank Lampard. With the way he has performed in the last 2 games, there’s a feeling that Bellingham is too comfortable in the team knowing full well that his starting place is secure and he won’t get dropped or subbed out even if he ghosts for 90 minutes. If you feel like Bellingham and Foden can’t gel together in the same team and Kane is going to isolated where he’ll be dropping deep and not get enough service, then don’t play one of them and if you want to play one of them, play them where they best fit in the team.
plz I cant read all
I'll give you a like for your pure passion and time taken to write this. Not everything is entirely Okay but nice work.
@@user-jz5hb6fm4i I cant even read that I swear
@@BlueThanosMaster 😂😂 just pick out Important parts
Like where ever you see Bellingham and foden,Southgate etc
that was truly a random bit to get hagi in there, but stevie was right: hagi on his day was messi but with even more tricks. i don't think roberto carlos is recovered yet from that night in istanbul.
Bellingham’s abilities have been overstated just because he plays for Real Madrid, he was playing in the weakest La Liga in over 40 years and never thought he was even close to being England’s best player, he just played in much weaker league that made him look better like Kane getting his best career statistics in the Bundesliga because much easier and kind of ruined him as an England player because he has lost his sharpness playing in a lower quality league.
England are not passing the ball well enough in midfield to be playing only one player with pace in an attacking position in Saka. Gordon has to go on the left so you have two players with speed on the counter that push defensively lines back stretching teams more and giving the midfield more time and space to play. This is a.very simple thing to do that will make England play a lot better, but the fact most people think Southgate is such a bad coach he will never do it shows why England will never win anything because the FA wanted to give him an extension to next World Cup, showing how clueless the decision makers are at the FA.
Bellingham is overrated after all. You blames Southgate for England bad football and now you blames La Liga and Bundesliga for being weak. Even Kane can't win a weak Bundesliga playing for the strongest club in Germany.
The premier league is so overrated technically
@@rohithraman6488 yes Premier League is so overrated that when a Premier League player goes to another league he performs even better because it is easy. Does that sound like overrated to you?
@@Delboy0It's not playing Bundesliga or LaLiga though, that make it easy, it's being on Bayern and Madrid, which are superteams in their leagues. I'd suggest, playing for City makes Foden look better as well, wouldn't you agree?
That said, I do believe Kane's lack of pace is a huge problem, and I agree on Bellingham's flaws being hidden by the brilliance of his Madrid teammates. Also, Palmer and Foden are your most technically gifted players and Saka is the fastest, so you should build around that. I also agree on England needing a true (and pace-y) LW.
@@Delboy0 I'm not saying the prem is trash. I enjoy watching it but I'm just saying that a lot of english football fans (I live in england myself) think the prem is the best league in the world from a technical standpoint but that isn't the case. The prem is mostly pace and power over technical ability. La Liga values technical ability over physicality. And besides you're saying Kane playing in an easier league is making him play worse for England, yet Messi won the world cup as a PSG player
4:21 very good observation. I think the same. Players with flair and fast paced fluid matches does exist as much anymore. The game overall has gotten stiff.
I think Robbo and Steve may be old enough, or Just Steve, but in those days, we had CAMP coffee, it was like a thick brown syrup in a bottle that was poured into a cup and then filled with water and evaporated milk out of a tin was added..
You can still get Camp coffee. Myself and a few other family members went through a Camp coffee phase a few years back
@@jaysmith2858 I did not know you can still get it- but we use to have it.. I can only liken it to Italian Cafè ristretto, syrup and a quick gulp
@@ToniPhillips-tc9cl We used to heat up a mug of milk and then add a spoon or two of the syrup. By Stevie's definition it would be classed as a "frothy coffee". We just called it a milky coffee.
@@jaysmith2858 Quiet funny the old ways, we use to have it with Ideal evaporated milk in it.. Milky coffee, that reminds me of the 60's when we use to shake the glass milk bottle up and down to see if there was any cream that would come back to the top pof the bottle..
Interesting food for thought to ponder show by the ESPN...
Germany benched Wirtz to give Musiala some balance around him. England could learn from that.
I love watching Austria they play attacking football & solid defense in the back. Would not be surprised if they win The Euros.
We need them all to try a frothy coffee next time 🙌
It's time to try out the Rice, Bellingham and Foden in midfield and Saka, Palmer, Gordon and Eze to play the wings. One more creative body to break down the Slovakian low Block.
Stewart's disgust at his neighbours 😂😂😂😂
Dan, leave Stevie alone 😂😂😂😂😂
Stevie is a true Brit, pink, covered up with white socks ❤
how the f has bellinghams worki rate become the problem Rob?
robbo is so harsh but too funny !!! dans giggling also adds to Stevies shame !!! best laughs ever
No matter whom southgate picks, they will blame southgate anyway
Had to rewind the tape😂 Dan asked "did you drink coffee before you moved to America" (presumably meaning the US) which does not establish if he had tried or had on occasion but implies a habit. Verdict-Dan guilty of perjury!
What difference does RVN bring? Well what about helping out Hojlund? What about teaching Utd players how to finish? Everybody was complaining we didn't score enough last season and now Stevie thinks RVN won't make a difference?
Players that play a lot of games for their clubs (especially those that made deep UCL/EFL runs) are just tired. Things haven't quite been the same since that scandalous winter World Cup in Qatar.
Against Slovakia, it is obvious that they will be defensive and allow England to have the ball.
So, the midfield should be about opening up defense rather than ball winner.
Go with Gordon, rice, mainoo, foden. Either Saka with Trent or Palmer with Walker. One speed and one technician is the better combo.
Slovakia will have no clue what's coming to them.
But later stages against stronger opponents, England may have to do the opposite that's where counter attack will be the play. Then it will be Bellingham replacing foden and Watkins for Kane for more legs and energy. Palmer, Kane and foden will come on when opposite took a lead and sit back.
VAR has changed maybe ruined THE FLOW Of THE GAME,
I do socks on the beach all the time that sand be hot man lmao
How one can watch these 2 players and think it’s one or the other for the same position is hilarious Bellingham played as a 8 his whole career until he got to Madrid & played a position that only exists if you play without a striker
no it exists with a striker like HAALAND who does not drop back, kane literally drops back for ball so many times
No matter who’s in charge this players don’t work together
Foden is the most disrupting source in the English team taking up positions and stopping the flow and momentum.
Shaka laughing is really how we all be with our boys 🤣🤣
Kane is holding the team back, they need to play Foden and Bellingham upfront and then maybe for the second half bring Kane. Also Madison and Grielish should have been in the team as holding midfielders
Robbo is rights, Foden plays on the left for City when Doku is on the bench .
I think football is pass each others and move forward. the problem is between England players they pass the ball but all player are stand still.they are not making space for receiving ball that is the england players problem ?
And when a player like Bellingham does move forward after passing, either Trippier or Foden passes it back to Rice or Juhi. It's frustrating to see, especially after seeing Vini receive the pass from Jude and moving forward, always forward, all season. Off the ball Jude's also moving forward, it creates confusion to the defenders on who to mark.
It's a simple solution, and it's a beautiful thing.
Over on the right wing, it's the same thing with Walker and Saka. But when Saka decided to move and Walker passed, England's first goal came. When Walker decided to move and cross, England's second goal came. That's how simple it is.
Put Walker around centre back. Trent at wing back. Foden on the bench. Jude 10. Simple tings
It should be both lol. We get told from you talking heads bow good these two players supposedly are. They should be good enough to adapt to any system or tactics.
Bellingham always demand the ball in Foden and Kane position which affect both of them
You gotta love the English thou😅
Pep aint never played Foden as a 10 yet Jude Bellingham has played 10 for 2 season Dortmund an Madridz but the underlying fact is what Pogba faced at Man Utd,, Pogba had Pirlo an Vidal, in France he had Kanye an Matuidi or Rabiot,, in Man Utd he had Fellani or Matic😅😂 but never Fellani Matic with Pogba, forget Fellani you could have had Ander Herrera Matic an Pogba
Van Nistelrooy is for Hojlund’s development.
Yeh. Arsenal fan btw. Having RVN to help develop the strikers is a no brainer. I don't agree with Stevie's take. RVN was an elite finisher
Man UTD coaching staff is medicocre Stevie is absolutely clueless.
If England wants to go far in the tournament bout of the can’t play they only get in each other way only one can always get on the ball if u look in the last game Bellingham sit back on let phi in the game
Southgate OUT!! Just imagine if England can’t make it to the final? They will never get an easier root to the final ever again. I don’t see England even getting to the final if I’m truly honest.
Every time England have world class players they want to drop them. Truly pathetic.
Southgate has to bench one to get the best out of the other
Also so you can start Palmer
That makes no sense. Ghostingham has been playing in his main position, Foden has nothing to do with that
Foden over Bellingham England need creative midfielders
Should be palmer. If u know u know.
What is this bs!?….now coffee debate!?
Southgate needs to resign and gtfo. That’s the only thing he can do that can make this team play better.
i like stevie ....
Hire zidane as thier next coach!
Who would you choose
Bellingham or Foden? 👇
Southgate too united please 😂😂😂😂
England going home next week
This euro has to be the worst euro of all time barring spain games and other small team games it was boring and it has no big tournament feel to it
💩🤡
neither but drop phoden and put in cole palmer
How many world cup southgod won?😅😅
Easiest money Shaka has ever made. He basically didn't say a word or have any questions to answer.
Great job, wish it were me
😂this is just a segment fool
SOUTHGATE IS BETTER THAN BERHALTER
Having watched all 3 England games I’m leaning towards Bellingham and Saka are vastly overated
3 games. Yeah.
Foden and Kane too
😂😂
One of them should be dropped for sure but Jude is never a better number 10 than Foden
FF on the right, Saka at left back and JB actually playing as a 10!!!
Or try JG at left back.
😅
Stevie Nichols doesn't get that Man United brings Van Nistelrooy in. But Stevie Nichols doesn't get a lot of things.
He is brain dead
La liga is a league where 20 teams compete to face RM or barca in final
Bundesliga is aleague where all teams compete to lose by bayern in final
Serie a where all teams compete to face psg in final
Premier league a league where all teams compete to face liverpool or man city in final
There should be limits set by uefa
as to how much a club can spend on a player or else they wont be allowed to compete in champions league.
I dont know how ppl accept this
Shaka always with the moaning zesty ahh laugh
Very forced
It won't make a difference England will lose
What’s with 5 minutes of boring holiday drivel?!…..we’re not interested!
who's we?
@@dreddmann6532 go google if you’re too thick to understand
If you want to win Euros go with Foden in 10 and Bellingham in 8 alongside Rice/Gallagher. If you want to appease social media experts keep on with Bellingham as focal point of attack and get kicked out of Euros in Round of 16.
THESE GUYS CAN'T CRITISISE SOUTHGATE WITH ALL THAT SQUAD BUT THEY CAN CRITISISE TEN HAG THE WHOLE SEASON....😂😂😂😂
Both are overrated highly if you watch games den youll understand they are not special but English media is special in prasing they are playing for worlds best team around them many suparstar so opponent teams mark others players more so they have good numbers but in england they are main players when opponent mark them they struggling to perform similar to club .
I am letting it ride, they need mor playing time to find chemistry. Palmer was decent but 90% were penalties, Gordon wasn't the best due to Newcastle's results. Southgate needs to get his midfield straightened out, Mainoo should be aside with Rice, only change I would advise.
Do you even watch the Euro? In 20 minutes Palmer did more than Ghostingham in 3 games. Stop talking about club football and nostalgia, the season is over
@@Prasko131 bellingham 90+1", bellingham 90+2" bellingham 68", +6 Points :) Thanks varca for the free league
Comment without watch the game, or you dont have any brain.. which one?
The banter at the beginning is pretty inane. I d rather you got on with the analysis
Foden would make a bigger impact than the overated Bellingham.
Both are overrated
Steve Nicol is so thick
Bellingham is overrated and this tournament is proving that
Il cameratismo e il sostegno qui sono palpabili, e ci ricordano che siamo più forti insieme.💖