Just watched it… Really good and the critics are wrong. There are some mistakes here, with the last 30 seconds in particular being a blunder, but… The acting is amazing. The court season of Arthur interviewing Gary was amazing. The music is actually good. I am going to give this a solid review. I feel some stuff could have been changed, but this overall really worked.
Nah, it was just the amount of singing, if they had cut if by half it would be fine but it just became exhausting because it went on and on. That and the last 20 min or so of the movie ruined everything. Aside from those 2 things everything else had potential .
Ironically, Warner's didn't even want to make 'Joker', when it became their highest-grossing cbm, wanted to make a sequel. Though I haven't seen Barbie, it's good that Margot Robbie had the power to decide 'no' to making a follow-up!
Lady Gaga only being in this movie for 22 mins is crazy given how much shes in the advwrtising. Thats about as much as his neighbour in the first movie and she wasnt on the poster
Yeah they milked the shit out of her, Sources are saying 40% of the people that watched the movie on the opening week only watched it because of Lady Gaga, it's a shame they cut a lot of scenes she was in but that's on Todd Phillips.
Movie was only done for lady gaga, to give her an acting job where she could sing on camera while at the same time cashing in on the success the first movie had
@@the_sam_strongher performance wasn't actually that bad I think she was good at her role just as phoenix was just came down to shit writing and shit director that didn't know how to make a grim dark musical
@@swjdnansjdjs4224 I heard she is in the movie for a total of like 20 minutes most of which is just Arthur's imagination and most of the songs feel out of place and unnecessary
Agreed... but then I thought which villain is this interesting? Scarecrow and mad hatter and the ventriloquist are interesting but don't have the star power that Joker has. If they did a Lex luthor film it would basically be a Trump documentary, if Trump was smart. Lol.
I just didn't see the need for a sequel, think you have the right idea though, perhaps a series like a rogue's gallery of films, where maybe at some point, the villains come together...
Another joker movie isn't the problem. The problem is turning the joker into something that it isn't. Like it isn't even the same thing anymore on any way whatsoever. A joker movie thats a musical is the actual joke of the thing but changing the characters too much is a joke too
Making it a musical was a huge mistake! Name 1 action musical 😂 70 of the top 80 musicals were kids films. The other 10 were either comedy or drama. Action musicals are not a thing for a reason
It wasn't a mistake - he did it on purpose. To repel the fans. He's not a fan of the genre. He's making sure no one ever asks him to make a superhero movie ever again.
I didn't even know it was a musical until now. Why would they do that? I love musicals, but. . .what about the vibe of oirignal film seemed like it would play into a musical well? The only beloved Batman muscial I can think of was a single episode from The Brave and The Bold cartoon, and I think a key reason that it was well recieved was because they were already dealing with an unabashedly campy interpretation of the characters and world.
@@tektyrant that’s not a thing! That’s a music album and they made music videos for it. It was never released in theaters as a standalone movie. If so, when did it come out in theaters and how much did it make at the box office? The target audience for musicals is mostly children and women. The target audience for action films is mostly men. Men aren’t paying money to see a song and dance number. I’m a huge Gaga fan and I was super excited to see her in the Joker sequel until I found out it was a musical. I’m not paying to see the Joker sing and dance🙅🏽♂️
The first joker movie got lucky, it told a story about society and mental health and just HAPPENED to have the Joker in it. WHY they thought making the sequel a musical and introducing Harley into this universe was a good idea i have ni clue
The first joker was good because it was basically a modern "remake" of taxi driver and maybe the king of comedy not seen it but might as well mention it
Even if they wanted to make the second joker movie more of like current joker, Batman is involved, and Harley, but a musical is the most dumb shit I’ve heard.
@@rustyshackleford6035 yes Wicked will make a ton of money because its a kids film, 70 of the top 80 top musicals are targeted towards children. Wicked is based on The Wizard of Oz and is rated PG not even PG13 but PG lol. Mattel already released Barbies for the Wicked movie. What about a movie based on a kids film made you think adult musical? The Joker 2 is rated R.
@@MikeRotch-ur7sx is that why all the Dead Pool movies are rated R and have made BILLIONS? Joker 1 was rated R and made over a billion dollars, Joker 2 was also rated R and it flopped. NOBODY went to see it because nobody wants to watch an action packed adult musical. People were hyped about Joker 2 then they found out it was a musical and everyone said nah pass 🙅🏽♂️
Dc is wack anyways . This ain’t dc this is joker. The thing you call musical is how the character (the joker) thinks and lives his fantasies. Its part of his mind.. so I don’t understand how ya’ll base on your own feelings instead of whats going on in te movie itself
Well, yeah? What did they expect? They took a phenomenal first movie and turned the sequel into Judge Judy meets Andrew Lloyd Webber. Nobody wanted a courtroom, or a musical, let alone both
Joker is just one of many films that didn't need a sequel. Just pure greed wanting to soak for its worth. Don't think Hollywood has caught up with the fact that people just don't want it anymore.
I like the part where everything the sequel says is "if you didn't understand that this guy was bad and that liking him is bad, so instead of doing a real sequel, we're going to recap why you didn't get the first movie while making fun of you if you didn't get it," and people are just upset they didn't get a true sequel. Like... Joaquin Phoenix is known for being very abrasive when repeating himself, and clearly the director didn't like what people took away from the first one either, so they spent a ton of Studio money to flip everyone the bird... and you guys still aren't getting it.
A few days ago, charles was saying joker 2 would make another billion as a gotcha to people wanting to cancel Phoenix. Another L for charles. They start yo add up boy 😂
It's a weird thing to have taken a movie that has such a massive impact on society with incredible symbolic weight to an audience that resonated with the narrative. The world has never been lonelier and creating a character that embodied that loneliness so well while also emphasizing economic struggle, a declining mental health, social anxiety, a dislike for mainstream media, social instability and a system failing to support it's people in a meaningful way. Joker stood for something. It captured so many narratives and addressed how the persistence of the issues fan the flames that lead to chaos and then they made a sequel that had nothing of significance to say.
Keep in Mind that was the Best Joker of any DC Related Movie (Or Show) ever! When Heath Ledger was On screen, he had Everyone's attention. This Movie The Only Joker I seen were Me and the other 20 people who paid to see this Thing?
Don't make a musical sequel to a non-musical movie, and ESPECIALLY don't make a boring musical sequel to a non-musical movie. This deserves to bomb unfortunately, you can't be that out of touch with the original audience and expect to succeed.
Hi! If we are talking modern times box office first day release, they actually pre sell tickets as the people that actually want to see the movie need a guaranteed spot. Then at oct 4 3:00 pm then oct 5 1:00am they will add the additional ticket sales to get the initial box office. As of right now it’s at 50 million. Budget is predicted to be 200-250 million. I suspect they will do 75-100 million thru the weekend and an additional 25 in the following 2 weeks. That would make it a flop as it doesn’t cover budget. They would need 200% of current sales to reach budget. They could double current sales and still be a flop.
The fact that the director chose not to let him naturally evolve into the criminal mastermind of the underworld was a big mistake. They could've explained the shift in his lack of medication that initially surpressed his genius.
@@nikoenciso01 you just went out your way to read my comment and reply so clearly you care enough to respond with such a wet fart of a comment that it's almost a reflection of your entire personality and life story.
A musical? People really? This singing and dancing was in his mind, in the mind of the joker. It was his fantasy and his way of seeing things. The movie was 10/10 perfect, I enjoyed every single damn minute of the movie and people cry here cause they don’t like music and dance? Then don’t watch joker…
Lady Gaga wasn't that good. Putting her with Joaquin Phoenix was a mistake. Joaquin Phoenix is a fantastic actor. Lady Gaga is a singer. He unwittingly eviscerates her.
Yeah but the dude bros seem to think it’s all Gaga’s fault because apparently they believe she wrote the script, directed it, produced it, and edited it 😂
@@Oj12323 why would they change the casting? In fact legitimate reviews say her performance is actually a HIGHLIGHT of the film and they wanted to see more of the joker and Harley dynamic as opposed to her role being in the background of the court or as Jokers backup singer. How would recasting her save the film when it would’ve been the same script etc I guess you just gotta blame the woman even though Joaquin had a hand in the script and actually forced script changes on the spot … but ya know it was clearly the woman’s fault
Unpopular opinion..... the first Joker movie was dog shit and despite people's rose-colored glasses reviews they knew it was dog shit and that's why they didn't trust the second one not to be any better
Once I heard Gaga was HQ, I didn't even bother to find out anything about it any further 🤷 She's talented but idk why she thinks she can be HQ, Margot set the bar too damn high, that's just some shoes can't fill
Joaquin is an awesome actor but I personally thought the first Joker film was as overrated as Into the Spiderverse. I probably won't even bother watching the sequel.
I won't watch it, the only musical I'll sit through is Willy Wonka (a horror movie disguised as a family film). And Lady Gaga was NEVER enough to sell me.
It's Hollywood's revenge for the success of the first Joker. They're even saying this movie is "owning the incels". Do NOT watch & give them your money.
How did she ruin it if she wasn’t a writer or director and is only in the film for 22 minutes ?? In fact her performance was praised and critics are putting the blame on Todd because he made the movie lol
@@armaniv6455 because her acting was mediocre through and through, she did okay playing a singer with Bradley Cooper but that's why it was good she's actually a singer in real life lol. I'm sure she pressured them letting them know she wants this part so bad but when it comes to cinema and art on this level you HAVE to have experienced talented actors and actresses.
@@gabrielsilvas692 except the film was planned to be a musical before she came onto the joker project. Again it seems when it comes to critiques Gaga’s performances in her films is always a positive - so again how did GaGa ruin this film if the direction wasn’t hers at all and it was actually Joaquin that suggested alterations to the script even during filming days ? I guess you gotta blame the girl because god forbid you blame the director ???
@@gabrielsilvas692 how would a talented actor have made this film better if it was the same script - again gagas performance has actually been positively reviewed for the film so how exactly did she bring it down ? You’re saying the same exact film would’ve done wonderfully had it been a different actoress despite the main complaint of the film being the direction ? Lol
@@armaniv6455 actually I'm not lol you clearly are on a ego trip about women rn so it's clear we won't have a constructive debate. My comment had NOTHING to do with gender so don't be so threatened lol it had to do with TALENT. And you are trippin if you think everyyy movie gaga has been in has been praised for her acting just stop. It's okay alright lol I wouldn't take offense to this.
Meanwhile A Star is Born was one of the biggest cultural films. Whether it was GaGa or another actress it would’ve been the same film. Most reviews praise her performance the issue is the script
@@armaniv6455 have you ever eaten a plate of dog poop? Probably not. Do you think you can answer whether or not you might enjoy it, even having never tried it?
So you’re saying had it been the same script and musical but a different actress it’d be a hit ? Seems to reviewers Gaga’s performance is the highlight while script sucks.
Just watched it…
Really good and the critics are wrong.
There are some mistakes here, with the last 30 seconds in particular being a blunder, but…
The acting is amazing.
The court season of Arthur interviewing Gary was amazing.
The music is actually good.
I am going to give this a solid review.
I feel some stuff could have been changed, but this overall really worked.
Win take people are way to harsh these days tbh 💯🔥
Movie was unnecessary and making it a musical was doubly so, L take Charles you watch slop media.
The first one ended perfectly, it really didn’t need a sequel.
they paid this dude to give it good review
No... how about we stop consuming garbage movies and vote with all dollars?
Turns out making a sequel from a movie with serious topics and tones, into a "musical" was a bad idea. Who would have guessed?
You should've seen the fan brain dead redditors
Probably how it was handled, you really think you can't have a serious musical?
@@2o3ief Considering what a musical does in any form of media? No actually I don't.
Nah, it was just the amount of singing, if they had cut if by half it would be fine but it just became exhausting because it went on and on. That and the last 20 min or so of the movie ruined everything.
Aside from those 2 things everything else had potential
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@@wittmoneyman watch Dancer In the Dark.
I dont know why studios insist on having unnecessary sequels, The first Joker movie was perfect as it was
Because it made a billion dollars so they had no choice but to make another one.
A real sequel could have done great if it wasn't a musical courtroom drama
you know how this one ends? lol.
Ironically, Warner's didn't even want to make 'Joker', when it became their highest-grossing cbm, wanted to make a sequel. Though I haven't seen Barbie, it's good that Margot Robbie had the power to decide 'no' to making a follow-up!
They need to make another cinematic universe 🥲
Lady Gaga only being in this movie for 22 mins is crazy given how much shes in the advwrtising. Thats about as much as his neighbour in the first movie and she wasnt on the poster
Yeah they milked the shit out of her, Sources are saying 40% of the people that watched the movie on the opening week only watched it because of Lady Gaga, it's a shame they cut a lot of scenes she was in but that's on Todd Phillips.
@@TheMolabola I think if they went with the original Harley killing joker plot, it would have been even worse.
Movie was only done for lady gaga, to give her an acting job where she could sing on camera while at the same time cashing in on the success the first movie had
@@the_sam_strongher performance wasn't actually that bad I think she was good at her role just as phoenix was just came down to shit writing and shit director that didn't know how to make a grim dark musical
@@swjdnansjdjs4224 I heard she is in the movie for a total of like 20 minutes most of which is just Arthur's imagination and most of the songs feel out of place and unnecessary
17 SONGS! Most musicals have an average of 6 to 8 songs. What were they thinking?
The movie was 2 hours and 30 minutes.. So..
They weren't thinking, they were singing.
That’s “entertainment”
Making it a musical was a marketing blunder.
They should have done that for broadway. Huge mistake on their part
They’re so out of touch
It was barely a musical. Movie was great, the way it sets Arthur as the first joker, and shows how his legacy is not only seen but followed was grand
Right it's like if George Lucas had randomly decided to make the empire strikes back musical instead of keeping it a space opera
Making harley quinn a lesbian lady gaga was bad too
Again it would have been better for Todd Phillips to make another DC Villian movie in the tone of the Joker, instead of a sequel.
i appreciated the ending of this film.
Agreed... but then I thought which villain is this interesting? Scarecrow and mad hatter and the ventriloquist are interesting but don't have the star power that Joker has.
If they did a Lex luthor film it would basically be a Trump documentary, if Trump was smart. Lol.
I just didn't see the need for a sequel, think you have the right idea though, perhaps a series like a rogue's gallery of films, where maybe at some point, the villains come together...
He did confirm that this is the last joker. && He's going to focus on more rated R villans stories and origins
Another joker movie isn't the problem. The problem is turning the joker into something that it isn't. Like it isn't even the same thing anymore on any way whatsoever. A joker movie thats a musical is the actual joke of the thing but changing the characters too much is a joke too
1.) shouldn’t have been a musical
2.) Shouldn’t have ruined the character
3.) should not have happened
Exactly.
I agree 100%.
The movie didn't ruin the character.
@@vinizinhutopblud go and watch Dark Knight,then think again about defending greedy guys and actors.
@@blackresc0034 it's so dumb to compare movies with different directors, different actors, story, characters and intents
Making it a musical was a huge mistake! Name 1 action musical 😂 70 of the top 80 musicals were kids films. The other 10 were either comedy or drama. Action musicals are not a thing for a reason
It wasn't a mistake - he did it on purpose. To repel the fans. He's not a fan of the genre. He's making sure no one ever asks him to make a superhero movie ever again.
I didn't even know it was a musical until now. Why would they do that? I love musicals, but. . .what about the vibe of oirignal film seemed like it would play into a musical well? The only beloved Batman muscial I can think of was a single episode from The Brave and The Bold cartoon, and I think a key reason that it was well recieved was because they were already dealing with an unabashedly campy interpretation of the characters and world.
Epic: the musical.
Say thanks to Lady Gaga.
@@tektyrant that’s not a thing! That’s a music album and they made music videos for it. It was never released in theaters as a standalone movie. If so, when did it come out in theaters and how much did it make at the box office? The target audience for musicals is mostly children and women. The target audience for action films is mostly men. Men aren’t paying money to see a song and dance number. I’m a huge Gaga fan and I was super excited to see her in the Joker sequel until I found out it was a musical. I’m not paying to see the Joker sing and dance🙅🏽♂️
This was a movie for lady Gaga not the joker. My boy got a huge payday, I don’t think he cares that it bombed.
She’s only in it for about 22 minutes of the two hour run time so it’s evidenced the movie wasn’t for her at all
How is it a Lady Gaga movie when she's barely in it, you just seem to hate women instead of the 2 men that actually had influence over this movie.
Nah I just hate gaga and her spirit cooking ass
The first joker movie got lucky, it told a story about society and mental health and just HAPPENED to have the Joker in it.
WHY they thought making the sequel a musical and introducing Harley into this universe was a good idea i have ni clue
The first joker was good because it was basically a modern "remake" of taxi driver and maybe the king of comedy not seen it but might as well mention it
Even if they wanted to make the second joker movie more of like current joker, Batman is involved, and Harley, but a musical is the most dumb shit I’ve heard.
We live in a society!
There is no luck. JOKER was anti-dependency, lashing out at phony support systems
I agree the first one was just luck. I personally never liked it and thought it was overrated
That movie was doomed the moment they said it was more or less a musical. People really don't want an adult version of High School Musical.
I Predict Wicked is going to make a ton of money 💰🤑
@@rustyshackleford6035 yes Wicked will make a ton of money because its a kids film, 70 of the top 80 top musicals are targeted towards children. Wicked is based on The Wizard of Oz and is rated PG not even PG13 but PG lol. Mattel already released Barbies for the Wicked movie. What about a movie based on a kids film made you think adult musical? The Joker 2 is rated R.
No they just want to watch comic book super heros/villain movies for children.
@@MikeRotch-ur7sx is that why all the Dead Pool movies are rated R and have made BILLIONS? Joker 1 was rated R and made over a billion dollars, Joker 2 was also rated R and it flopped. NOBODY went to see it because nobody wants to watch an action packed adult musical. People were hyped about Joker 2 then they found out it was a musical and everyone said nah pass 🙅🏽♂️
Rocky horror exists, and people love it, but this isn't the movie people wanted nor a good movie or musical
The whole thing looked over hype and Gaga’s involvement was just unnecessary but they keep trying to make her like some modern day Barbara Streisand.
I mean she was literally in a highly successful Streisand remake
They messed up big time, making it into a musical. Batman and dc fans didn't want that. Hope it tanks.
Batman is bored now. Without Joker theres no Batman.
This movie was NOT made for DC or Batman fans - I don’t know why people find this so hard to understand
Dc is wack anyways . This ain’t dc this is joker. The thing you call musical is how the character (the joker) thinks and lives his fantasies. Its part of his mind.. so I don’t understand how ya’ll base on your own feelings instead of whats going on in te movie itself
@@ezra8545 perfectly said!
@@angieshultis6099 thanks, it may sounded a bit rude but I am so tired of people not understanding 😵💫🫢
Well, yeah? What did they expect? They took a phenomenal first movie and turned the sequel into Judge Judy meets Andrew Lloyd Webber. Nobody wanted a courtroom, or a musical, let alone both
😂😂
"A phucking musical." - Vigo, John Wick
😂😂
📝
These kinds of movies don't need that much budget lol.
Hey, "You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain"
Joker is just one of many films that didn't need a sequel. Just pure greed wanting to soak for its worth. Don't think Hollywood has caught up with the fact that people just don't want it anymore.
I like the part where everything the sequel says is "if you didn't understand that this guy was bad and that liking him is bad, so instead of doing a real sequel, we're going to recap why you didn't get the first movie while making fun of you if you didn't get it," and people are just upset they didn't get a true sequel. Like... Joaquin Phoenix is known for being very abrasive when repeating himself, and clearly the director didn't like what people took away from the first one either, so they spent a ton of Studio money to flip everyone the bird... and you guys still aren't getting it.
we're laughing, they graped the joker, and we're laughing
“Musical? Count me in!”
-no joker fan ever
A few days ago, charles was saying joker 2 would make another billion as a gotcha to people wanting to cancel Phoenix.
Another L for charles.
They start yo add up boy 😂
I can’t stand how this guy’s voice always rises then lowers
He’s annoying in general
Needs to slow down. He’s got marble mouth
It's a weird thing to have taken a movie that has such a massive impact on society with incredible symbolic weight to an audience that resonated with the narrative. The world has never been lonelier and creating a character that embodied that loneliness so well while also emphasizing economic struggle, a declining mental health, social anxiety, a dislike for mainstream media, social instability and a system failing to support it's people in a meaningful way. Joker stood for something. It captured so many narratives and addressed how the persistence of the issues fan the flames that lead to chaos and then they made a sequel that had nothing of significance to say.
Joaquin Pheonix did NOTHING wrong. The writers kept forgetting what characters they were writing.
yeah,he went there for 100m dollars. Totally cared about movie plot😂😂
They screwed up the legacy of the first one.
What legacy ?
Keep in mind, Heath Ledger only had over 30 mins of screen time in the Dark Knight yet it feels like he's in the whole movie!!!!
Keep in Mind that was the Best Joker of any DC Related Movie (Or Show) ever! When Heath Ledger was On screen, he had Everyone's attention. This Movie The Only Joker I seen were Me and the other 20 people who paid to see this Thing?
Joker Musical? That’s a pass, he’s suppose to be a psycho killer with lots of trauma. That’s why the first movie went crazy.
Gaga does not fill the screen
this has always been my problem, she sells me gaga, I'm not getting anything else in anything she does.
Same.
Don't make a musical sequel to a non-musical movie, and ESPECIALLY don't make a boring musical sequel to a non-musical movie. This deserves to bomb unfortunately, you can't be that out of touch with the original audience and expect to succeed.
Who cares how much it makes.
It is a really good film. ❤
I am just burned out on Lady Gaga. She seems to be more excited about her celebrity associations than her own work.
Obviously.
Well, she's been around for 15 years so that makes sense. But imagine how bad the movie would be with Ariana Grande in the role.
@@aisle_of_view
She's going to be playing Glinda on _Wicked._
Yes. I loathe it: I was hoping Glinda was played by Amanda Seyfried.
@@charlee_hotel She is an awards grubber. She is after the EGOT. And she'll get it too. She'll get them all.
@@aisle_of_view I don’t know why either of them would play the role tbh
Who tf thought a joker musical was a good idea?
The movie isn’t even out yet?!
Hi! If we are talking modern times box office first day release, they actually pre sell tickets as the people that actually want to see the movie need a guaranteed spot. Then at oct 4 3:00 pm then oct 5 1:00am they will add the additional ticket sales to get the initial box office. As of right now it’s at 50 million. Budget is predicted to be 200-250 million. I suspect they will do 75-100 million thru the weekend and an additional 25 in the following 2 weeks. That would make it a flop as it doesn’t cover budget. They would need 200% of current sales to reach budget. They could double current sales and still be a flop.
@@squarecircleCoDame Good point I got my tickets for Saturday but yeah that's not good 😢
I feel like people who are fans of joker aren't necessarily musical fans like myself
I'm a fan of Joker and Musicals Wonka was my favorite movie last year I haven't seen this movie yet I'm going to so ... 🤷
Good for u buddy stunning and brave@@rustyshackleford6035
I hate musicals and I love joker. I had no idea joker was a musical going into it so I was shook.
Its gotten bad reviews but i wouldnt trust rotten Tomatoes in General
Oh plenty of reviewers outside of RT are hating it too. Its deliberately made to not go anywhere and repel fans of the first.
@@jimboh.2654 that is true but for once Rotten could be right
Imma be real I just didn’t want to see Lady Gaga in that movie bruh
The fact that the director chose not to let him naturally evolve into the criminal mastermind of the underworld was a big mistake. They could've explained the shift in his lack of medication that initially surpressed his genius.
Nobody cares
@@nikoenciso01 you just went out your way to read my comment and reply so clearly you care enough to respond with such a wet fart of a comment that it's almost a reflection of your entire personality and life story.
A musical? People really? This singing and dancing was in his mind, in the mind of the joker. It was his fantasy and his way of seeing things. The movie was 10/10 perfect, I enjoyed every single damn minute of the movie and people cry here cause they don’t like music and dance? Then don’t watch joker…
There are so many layers to the story.
Well done.
I watched it at the early IMAX event. The movie spoon-fed you the whole time with all the songs and was ridiculously telegraphed because of it.
This is like when someone cooks something for you but didn't even bother to taste it themselves
Just the preview in theaters looks absolutely AWFUL.
Lady Gaga wasn't that good. Putting her with Joaquin Phoenix was a mistake. Joaquin Phoenix is a fantastic actor. Lady Gaga is a singer. He unwittingly eviscerates her.
Bad writing. Can't really blame the actors/actresses. Perhaps they shouldn't have agreed to do it though.
Yeah but the dude bros seem to think it’s all Gaga’s fault because apparently they believe she wrote the script, directed it, produced it, and edited it 😂
This movie so bad if joker was real he would've "grabbed" the whole staff
It’s cos it was made to a musical and it had lady Gaga
If you knew Joaquin Phoenix personal views you would understand why.
Is it because he dislikes sequels in real life? My sister is a huge fan of Joaquin Pheonix, and that's what she told me. From what I've heard.
Blame that thing they call lady Gaga
How ? You’re saying she wrote the script, directed the film, and edited the cut ? Swap GaGa for another actress and it’s still the same film
@@armaniv6455 yeah you would think they would change casting but no
@@Oj12323 why would they change the casting? In fact legitimate reviews say her performance is actually a HIGHLIGHT of the film and they wanted to see more of the joker and Harley dynamic as opposed to her role being in the background of the court or as Jokers backup singer. How would recasting her save the film when it would’ve been the same script etc I guess you just gotta blame the woman even though Joaquin had a hand in the script and actually forced script changes on the spot … but ya know it was clearly the woman’s fault
@@armaniv6455 nah you don’t get it do you lmao keep being brown tongue fanboy
@@armaniv6455 stop being a fanboy and look at her contact ffs
I lost all faith in this dude after that god awful Napoleon movie
Unpopular opinion..... the first Joker movie was dog shit and despite people's rose-colored glasses reviews they knew it was dog shit and that's why they didn't trust the second one not to be any better
It was just a Remake of Taxi Driver and The King Of Comedy.
Guess They Couldn't Find Anything Good To Copy This Time.
@@racerx3673they could’ve easily replicated Kingfischer
It's funny cause he said he would come back if the script for Joker 2 was good 😂
I haven't watched it, but simply being a musical alone cannot be the reason this movie failed. There must be something else.
Once I heard Gaga was HQ, I didn't even bother to find out anything about it any further 🤷 She's talented but idk why she thinks she can be HQ, Margot set the bar too damn high, that's just some shoes can't fill
Meh…
It’s a different rendition of Harley. This Harley isn’t a camp Harley. Not to mention critics trashed both suicide squads and birds of prey
This comment doesn't make sense. Robbie's Harley doesn't even fit into this universe
Joaquin is an awesome actor but I personally thought the first Joker film was as overrated as Into the Spiderverse. I probably won't even bother watching the sequel.
Joaquin Phoenix Is Experiencing What I felt with Warriors Of Virtue 2 Return To Tao 11 years ago RIP Kevin Todd Smith
Lmao,,,, dude … that’s is the most obscure thing I’ve ever read in my life 🦘
Poor Ares Died Making A Low Budget Hong Kong Film.
I never missed an episode of Hercules/Xena.
I won't watch it, the only musical I'll sit through is Willy Wonka (a horror movie disguised as a family film). And Lady Gaga was NEVER enough to sell me.
I miss Heath... that Joker 2 would've ROCKED
It's Hollywood's revenge for the success of the first Joker. They're even saying this movie is "owning the incels". Do NOT watch & give them your money.
I already got my tickets 🎟️ for Saturday and sounds like you already watched it 😜
The studio got greedy and Phoenix got stupid after the first Joker Phoenix said he would never do a sequel.
Soon as i heard lady gaga was involved i knew it would be awful.
I ain't watching that dumpster fire 🤣🤣
Sometimes, I wonder what River Phoenix, Joaquin's brother would be doing if he were still alive.
Making great movies
Lady Gaga and the musical is what killed the movie
I told yall lady gaga was going to ruin it, idc how bad she wanted it. We need talented "ACTORS" for these charachters.
How did she ruin it if she wasn’t a writer or director and is only in the film for 22 minutes ?? In fact her performance was praised and critics are putting the blame on Todd because he made the movie lol
@@armaniv6455 because her acting was mediocre through and through, she did okay playing a singer with Bradley Cooper but that's why it was good she's actually a singer in real life lol. I'm sure she pressured them letting them know she wants this part so bad but when it comes to cinema and art on this level you HAVE to have experienced talented actors and actresses.
@@gabrielsilvas692 except the film was planned to be a musical before she came onto the joker project. Again it seems when it comes to critiques Gaga’s performances in her films is always a positive - so again how did GaGa ruin this film if the direction wasn’t hers at all and it was actually Joaquin that suggested alterations to the script even during filming days ? I guess you gotta blame the girl because god forbid you blame the director ???
@@gabrielsilvas692 how would a talented actor have made this film better if it was the same script - again gagas performance has actually been positively reviewed for the film so how exactly did she bring it down ? You’re saying the same exact film would’ve done wonderfully had it been a different actoress despite the main complaint of the film being the direction ? Lol
@@armaniv6455 actually I'm not lol you clearly are on a ego trip about women rn so it's clear we won't have a constructive debate. My comment had NOTHING to do with gender so don't be so threatened lol it had to do with TALENT. And you are trippin if you think everyyy movie gaga has been in has been praised for her acting just stop. It's okay alright lol I wouldn't take offense to this.
why would they make the sequel into a musical? just... why?
I didn't even know it was out 😭
Not out yet comes out tomorrow I have tickets for Saturday
@@rustyshackleford6035 how's it lost money if it's not out
Joker 2 was god awful lol, I rarely regret seeing a movie but I definitely did this time.
Go woke go broke
Seems like the sequal was made by the people that werent happy the 1st movie was a succes
If there’s no Batman in it no one cares 😂
Batman wasn't in the first and it made fat loot
The director himself did it on purpose. He doesn't want to do sequel from the first place but fans and WB want him to do it
It's because lady Gaga is in it. That's why no one is taking it seriously.
Meanwhile A Star is Born was one of the biggest cultural films. Whether it was GaGa or another actress it would’ve been the same film. Most reviews praise her performance the issue is the script
@@armaniv6455 neat... we were talking about the joker movie....
I saw the movie Thursday night.
The performance from lady gaga and Joaquin Phoenix was great, but they didn't have a great script.
I'll be cold in the ground before I willingly watch a movie with Lady Gaga in it
Horrible Singer.
Terrible Actress.
And Yet She Continues to Get Roles 🤔.
So how do you know you won’t like it ?
@@armaniv6455 have you ever eaten a plate of dog poop? Probably not. Do you think you can answer whether or not you might enjoy it, even having never tried it?
Making a movie that hates its fans and a musical was one way to ensure your film will flop
If James Gunn’s Superman doesn’t do well WB/DC should just wrap it up for good. DC should maybe sell itself to Disney.
Why, so Disney can ruin it even more?
I just watched it was PAINFUL! I was so disappointed. It was a MUSICAL! We nearly left after the 40th song !
most depressing franchise ever
He took a pay check to take a dive ,he knew she was poison
Should've been Margo Robbie as Harley Quinn instead of lady gaga
This movie will be lucky to see $500 mil
We don’t want a musical
Dafuk you thinking making it a musical 😂😂
Lady gaga is the one to blame here! 😂
A frickin musical 😮
BECUZ NO REAL JOKER FAN OR HARLEY FAN WANTS A MUSICAL. THAT AND WE DONT WANT MAN GAGA PLAYING AS HARLEY. 🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢
Not watching a musical
Its cause they made it a musical
Still don’t understand the hard pivot to be a musical seems so random
What can you expect? Dc fans do NOT want a lady blah blah musical
Sir GaGa Ruins Every Movie He's In.
@@racerx3673you mean the 2 other movies that turned out to be massive hits ??
This is because they made this movie a fkn musical!!!!
Ain't that special! First One was garbage, and this one? This Movie needs an Enema....
I never got the hype for the first one. I didn't intend on watching the 2nd. Now I probably never will
Putting that lady gag as harley turns out an epic failure wow shocker 😮
The reason is lady Gaga. That ruined the movie
So you’re saying had it been the same script and musical but a different actress it’d be a hit ? Seems to reviewers Gaga’s performance is the highlight while script sucks.
The second i heard the word "musical", i stopped caring about the movie
why does Hollywood keep thinking musicals would definitely get us to watch any??
I’m not watching another Lady Gaga plant.
The more accurate title would be Joker 2 Bombs
It's as BAD as they say ! Very slow very boring 😞 🤦🤷 DON'T WASTE YOUR TIME AND MONEY. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.