duane plummer a song by illa j that my friend showed me, he talks about how he doesnt rlly wanna just be known as j dillas little brother he wants to be his own thing although it is crazy that he didnt bring up j dilla in this video while using his brother's mpc😂
Yea but the mpc 3000 is just notorious with dilla using it .. he literally made star dust with dat 💩 literally.. gotta mention dilla to carry the torch my man ( if you understand how important that is ) but that’s another thing .. engineers dream what dilla did using the mpc 3000
Pro tip: you can simulate the "overdriven" MPC60 in the MPC Live by purposefully raising the volume before the MPC60 effects plugin. So say you set the MPC60 effect in slot 2, then in slot 1 you have for instance the AIR EQ or something, use that effects main output volume and set it at +12dB.. then in slot 3 you add another AIR EQ and set it's gain to -12dB. Now you've overdriven the mpc60 effect and it will definitely sound different to your "overdriven" test 2. This is a more like for like comparison if you are interested in the emulation of the MPC60, instead of overdriving the inputs or outputs of the MPC Live. Pro tip2: it's also fun to "under drive" the mpc60 effect.. send it a really weak signal, like -24dB down.. then compensate in slot 3. This brings a different tonality.
For me in both initial performances I like the 60 better. The overall tone is warmer, but I also get more details from the open hi-hats, more prolonged ringing. From the Live each instrument is more separate, with space around them, but the melodic sample is very receded. In the 60 everything is closer together and closer to my ear but the sample is very present.
I super appreciate the fact that you were able to talk about something you used Skillshare for/liked about it, rather than just rattle off a description of what it is - I think it shows proper integrity. I've seen Skillshare promos a thousand times, but yours made me want to go check it out - particularly that typography course! Dope comparison too, the MPC 60ii kills it imo, especially on the overdriven samples. Peace!
The MPC 60 can even actually brighten the sound (if you sample the sound in pitched by an octave at the source and then pitch it down the same amount in the MPC, it actually nicely invigorates the sound!) I think the power of the device just like with all old Akais comes from running the input stage reasonably loud: sounds so good with drums.
I really like Ricky's attitude, very chill but the best bit is the open mindedness, like the when he says inthis video, why not run a $4,000 synth into a $100 sampler?! Why not indeed! Actually I've ordered a P.O 33, because its really well designed, sounds rough and gritty (its 8 bit). It seems we live in an age of digital perfection, yet we seek imperfection. It reminds me of how something like handmade pottery is beautiful, in part due to its imperfections. The P.O 33 is a real winner, everyone should get one. Lots of fun, chic design and plenty of warm, digital dirt!
The 60 definitely has a more 'bottom-middle'-focused sound, while the Live has a lot more 'high' in the mix, especially noticeable with the driven samples. Both sound great, though. I'm positive with more EQing the 'high' could be tamed from the Live and give it the 'warmer mellow sound' of the 60. Kind of surprised they didn't account for that in their emulation/filter, but of course old equipment ages differently from unit to unit, so sound will vary.
If im not mistaken (which i often am) the 60ii applies a filter to reduce some high freq noise. Maybe this is similar to the sp1200 trying to filter out aliasing.. hmm
I definitely hear a more mids focused sound from the 60ii as well. Like a gentle high shelf + a very slight compression. The live is SOOOO close though.
That’s cool and all. The real problem is the lost low end on the live. You can eq and filter frequencies away. Adding ones that aren’t there is another story.
I pass the test and I can't wait for your upcoming MPC3000 comparison. You motivated me to repair my MPC3K display when I saw your other video back in April about "Think i found the best studio setup.. For me! // 2020 Music Studio Workflow" A week after I saw that video I was able to repair the MPC3000 from an iPhone 6 plus back-light display and a step up inverter board. Upgraded the ROM's to 3.5 and boy I'm glad to have this baby up and running. Seriously, all because of you and feeling the same way with good analog gear. Good job Ricky. I'm enjoying your videos a lot. Thank you
dope test! i knew the difference between them would be at the extremes of the frequency spectrum from 20hz-40hz and 14khz-20khz and the difference ended up being pretty clear. i was able to guess correctly except for the distorted samples. man does that MPC60 sound sick. i have an MPC Live, and im not ashamed of it... but the MPC60's pitchshifting, and saturation/distortion is pure 🤤
I guessed them all right . the 60 has a certain "lofi-ness" to it that can't be faked. I want my first mpc just can't figure if I should go new or old, I love the sound of both
I was quite surprised I liked the 60 more and I was rooting for the Live. Over my pc speakers I couldn't tell the difference but once I put on my good headphones the 60 pulled way ahead for me. I like the smaller footprint of the Live, the touch screen, and the lower cost, even thought I don't plan on purchasing either, but that 60 caught me off guard. Thanks for the video Ricky!
If you know what to listen for it is extremely obvious and easy to pick out. The big changes are clarity, punch, detail, and headroom. The MPC 60 actually has less of all of these but it also has a low mid bump that warms things up and makes it feel punchier - EQ for free. I think to get it closer to the original resampling or or printing at much lower resolutions would do the trick. The SP1200 for example is 12 bit @ 25 kHz, the MPC 60 is 12 bit at 40 kHz, the 3000 is 16 bit at 44.1 kHz. In comparison, the live likely defaults to 24 bit at 44.1 or 48 kHz. By down sampling you are going to get a lot closer to the original sound by capturing the information the older units would have actually been able to capture and shave off the excess that gives it the modern feel. The only difference left will be the differences in the samplers soundcard that actually does the audio conversion. While the plugin gets you close, if you want it near perfect down sampling should get it to where it is near imperceptible. If it still isn't quite what you need a little shaping EQ or compression will likely do the trick.
The Live seems to do overdriven sounds better if you use reduced bitrate samples. I've been sampling on an old Yamaha SU10 and then resampling on the Live and that seems to give it the grit I was looking for.
The mpc60 sound is beautiful. That said, with the live you have flexibility that you can emulate that sound on the unit (or later in your daw) or go with a million other coloration type sounds. No right or wrong. I will say that I almost always run my Mpc live through analog gear at some point for a little mojo.
When you compared a/b on the music samples, it honestly sounded like it was mixed differently. “A” having a more “modern” sound, and “B” sounded like other aspects of the mix were emphasized compared to “A”.
Haha! Over-what?? That was gold. Great comparison - really wasn't much in it at all with the clean samples but when you used the clipped/over-driven set the differences began to show clearly. Both did sound great though. You've got some gorgeous MPC's - would love a 60 and 3000 one day.
I like your conclusion. I agree with you too. It's nice to mess about and find out if the emulation sounds like the real thing but at the end of the day a great idea will sound great on whatever you make it on. Anyhow thanks for reminding me that I have to finish restoring an MPC60 mkII that I have waiting to do a project with, lol.
I previously wasn’t into newer samplers because I felt like they were too clean to the point where they sound like your average DAW but with less capability. I preferred older samplers because the less advanced tech caused them to inadvertently have distinct sounds, making them useful for sound design. I think it’s very clever and forward thinking for Akai to create emulators for their older products. I would’ve never thought of a brilliant solution like that.
Been a feature of Maschine since day 1 (idk if it’s as good as the Akai version, but they got 60 and other models in there, more since newer versions of maschine as well, so the standalone might compete pretty well when it comes to sound quality, well see!)
@@JamieClark Maschine hasn't had the feature "since day one", they added the Vintage modes almost 2 years after Maschine was released. As for the modes, Maschine has the SP1200 but in varying modes and the MPC60. The Live has the SP1200, SP1200 Ring, MPC3000, and MPC60. Having both I feel like the MPC versions sounds better overall than the ones Maschine has, especially the MPC60. The MPC has had these modes since the Ren was released so many moons ago. That being said you can't go wrong with either.
You can also put the sampler effects into the insert chain and sample with it on to "print" the effect in. You can also actually change it so that the Live use the effect globally in the preferences so that it's basically on the master output. One thing Ricky is doing here that will really bring out the sound of the vintage plugins is to lower the pitch of the sample, that works exceptionally well for the SP1200 engine, but still works on the MPC60/3000 mode as well, though it doesn't get you the same crunch imo.
When overdriven the 60 retains a much smoother sound. It added some nice character to the sound. The live sounds good as long and it's not overdriven. Except on that one crash sample, the live handled that better than the 60. Still I'm impressed with the live.
you can also set the master outputs to various "vintage" modes in settings. so that way you're not using up an effects slot. fun video though! Test 1 I was kind of indifferent, test 2 I strongly suspected which one was the 60 and I was right (and preferred that one). You summed it up nicely in the end, though; who cares what you use to make music with, in the end it's what we're here for anyway :D
They both sound really nice! On the fence about a new sampler/sequencer. Replacing my Digitakt may be the call, but that MPC Live is pretty awesome. Thanks for the video! Amazing as usual.
Makes me want to sample my melodic material into my X from a 60. The percussive one shots were surprisingly close though. That second a/b test threw me. I was sure the louder one was the 60. I use the 60 vintage mode on all 3 of my modern units; Live, Force and X se. Set it and forget it. Sounds imperfect but better.
I am honestly amazed by the huge difference! Can u perhaps add a scope in a next video or so to show us what is going on? really intresting, thanks for showcaseing this.
I like your ending point about the MPC 60 winning, but not entirely winning. The MPC Live is doing an emulation of the 60, and can do an emulation of the 3000 etc. This is a big point - while it might not do emulations with 100% accuracy, it has its own sound, and it also has the emulations. Its all good ^_^
they are really close in tones, but the hats give it away Mpc60 is a hint dirtier then the live I have both of them too the ASR10/ Sp1200/ MV8000 as well and I have sampled Alot of stuff playing with the Tones of each. ALL are a beast in their own way
as an owner of the 60 I was surprised at how clean it was when I bought it. Now I'm so happy it is, drums that come from it are punchier than anything I've ever used but doesn't color the sample to the point where its always crunching and aliasing
also in terms of distorting the inputs, I did read a long time ago that the A/D converters have some sort of noise reduction circuit built in, which might be why it "controls" the gain, might. be a really discreet and simple compressor in there. Also none of that may be true lol
The mpc 60 emulation in the one and live is quite good. Its way better than i anticipated and is way better than what i remember the maschine attempted to do
its very close but if you run it hot its not even close its like old mpcs have compressor on main or something. How do you think OG mpc 2000 would compete with new one way worse than 60 and 3000 or similair? i dunno if i should buy new MPC live or old mpc 2000 original one. I have roland mv 8000 now but i have same worflow as you thru ableton,
Hi Just completed a degree in Sound Engineering and Music Production- we studied this topic in class with out great tutor Sam Willis - 8bit /16bit analogue being continuous vs digital being limited - great video - but what’s most interesting is that the Live sounds so very very close - you’d be nit picking to find a huge difference and whatever one has over the over can be gained through plugins - maximum respect to Roger Linn - the MPC 60 is the legacy instrument whose workflow still beats a DAW - simplicity/ limitation breeds creativity
I saw the video with some friends that have MPC Live and they failed the test. I don't have MPCs but as a fan of ricky I pass the test. The key is to hear not the drum part (you can hear something with the OHH and rides) but listen to the chord. the original 60 " knead" the sound while the mpc seems to be more clear but a little bit closed on the medium high frequencies. This probably due to the digital processing that tend to "spread" the sound's frequencies to the same level acting allmost like a glue comp. Maybe to avoid peaks in the final master track.
It will be cool try to recreate mpc60 effect manually with air lofi fx on Live. Reducing sample rate and bit depth with fx may give other results. At least it's worth to try.
i usually find downsampling effects disappointing but AIR Lofi is one of the best i've used. i usually just forget about trying to emulate a specific sampler and tweak it to the exact vibe i want.
The 60 has a real analog vibe. You can really hear the difference with percussive sounds and bass sounds. A reason why the 60 is still Gs. But like you said. It’s all preference 💯💯💯
Most of the “Analog” sound people talk about is usually the lack of brightness. Newer technology is usually going to be more brighter. Also digital sounds have less of headroom when it comes to driving sounds for a nice “Distortion”.
Joshua Keddie over sampling doesn’t fix all problem and sometimes it creates others. Now to be honest I’m no expert in the subject but even in traditional music recording it’s understandable that “you can’t polish a turd” so if your sound source is already at its limit then just over sampling will just create other problems. ua-cam.com/video/l0CsAqCtZXo/v-deo.html
This is fantastic and the format you did was perfecto. Didn't have to jump through hoops to find out which was which. I liked 1. A, 2. B. Both! Dang...the 60 definitely has a better overdriven sound which I suppose is expected. My S950 gonna get some more love now. Bro, inspiring me to do a Live vs SP1200 shootout.
I don't really have a pony in this race because I don't use samples in my work and the MPC has always been way out of my price league, but I still liked your video. I like your style, man. Thanks.
Ricky Tinez I used to have an MPC60 II that was modded by Forat with the Output Boost Modification on the Stereo and all 8 direct outs $300 - The MPC60 is 12-bit resolution vs/ MPCLIVE 24-bit.
I actually liked the MPC Live's sound in the A/B test better. The drums sounded nice on the 60 felt like they were pumping but the Live sounded less muddy to me.
You had me at more bass. Just got a yamaha a4000 in a trade and have an s3200 coming in another trade. The asr10 has never been happier. The Live is sounding pretty darn good though. look forward to that mpc3000 vid!
If you ran the master out through your sp 404, shouldnt it colour the live signal with its unique sound? I‘ve got an sp404 and I am thinking about getting a live 2 for its versatility. Your video makes me question if I can get the sound from it that I indend to.
Hey, could you make a video about the rytmic possibilities in a mpc? I mean what is the usp of mpcs in this topic and did anything change from the older ones to the new ones?
I got it right both times and preffered the 60 both times. But I was second guessing myself, thinking maybe Akai made the emulation exagerrated ending up 'more 60 than the 60'. My first guesses ended up being correct though. The 60 sounds smoother, and more glued together.
Thanks for the comparison! Those high harmonics on the MPC60ii seem to almost overflow in the digital domain, the distortion sounds like bit shifting, and the mix to my ears has more compression.
Incredible, non-bias comparison. Can you do the MPC 3000 next? Thanks for this great content! As someone who loves samplers, I really been enjoying your channel.
I like the 60ii when it comes to the distortion because you know you’re going to get that heavy, crunchy sound and when used properly it can drive (pun not intended) the dance floor nuts, and I do like some distortion in my beats sometimes
Hey Ricky! Would be cool to see your workflow when using the 60 some time. I’m a fellow 60 owner and tbh haven’t busted it out for a while as I kinda got bored with having to use it’s clunky chopping engine every time I turn it on (of course I have Zip’s with samples saved but I always like sampling new stuff into it) Would love to see how other people quickly sample into it and get a beat going on it.
romain jub well there’s a few big differences. You have to consider that you have 20 seconds of sampling time on a 60, also no filter and the only stereo sampling has to be created after sampling two mono sources. Oh and no digital in. Would love to see if Ricky uses the 60 any differently. I know if I had both I’d probably use the 3000 a lot differently. I’d definitely utilise that digital in (though I did see he has a USB card on his 60)
Interesting: for the clean I much preferred the overall sound on the 60. For the distorted/overdriven I liked the Live quite a bit more especially that aggressive high end. I think I overdrive and distort my drums 99% of the time, it’s just baked in to my music at this point, so for the specific sound I like to make the live has the edge for me. But real talk when you start mixing and hitting the eqs you can get both to sound excellent, but this was fun to see these differences under a microscope!
same dude i liked live more when overdriven it was dirty as hell but nothing eq can do. If you eq it properly they would sound excactly the same i guess
a bit off subject , but I have the og mpc60, but I must admit the II just looks cooler. They’re identical inside right? Maybe it’s a grass is greener thing :)
Preferred B, had a nicer swing , more round bottom end, kinda hoping it was the new mpc , no such luck. Also transients seem sharper on the 60 for some reason.
illa j lend you his mpc and you didn't even mentioned it on the title as a clickbait. u r a real one enrique.
Fr. Btw I borrowed this from Illa J, nbd.
yo WHAT?!?! Illa J letting you borrow his mpc... holy...
I was fucking surprised as well
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@@soularslaps he didnt even mention j dilla ...j dilla arguably the greatest hiphop producers of all time
duane plummer a song by illa j that my friend showed me, he talks about how he doesnt rlly wanna just be known as j dillas little brother he wants to be his own thing although it is crazy that he didnt bring up j dilla in this video while using his brother's mpc😂
Yea but the mpc 3000 is just notorious with dilla using it .. he literally made star dust with dat 💩 literally.. gotta mention dilla to carry the torch my man ( if you understand how important that is ) but that’s another thing .. engineers dream what dilla did using the mpc 3000
Pro tip: you can simulate the "overdriven" MPC60 in the MPC Live by purposefully raising the volume before the MPC60 effects plugin. So say you set the MPC60 effect in slot 2, then in slot 1 you have for instance the AIR EQ or something, use that effects main output volume and set it at +12dB.. then in slot 3 you add another AIR EQ and set it's gain to -12dB. Now you've overdriven the mpc60 effect and it will definitely sound different to your "overdriven" test 2. This is a more like for like comparison if you are interested in the emulation of the MPC60, instead of overdriving the inputs or outputs of the MPC Live.
Pro tip2: it's also fun to "under drive" the mpc60 effect.. send it a really weak signal, like -24dB down.. then compensate in slot 3. This brings a different tonality.
Thanks for this comment!
I will try this.
@@oracle-0018 you wont come close to the 60 regardless
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Much closer !
You are wrong-beware the power of the mpc live!
please make a video about this....or i will
@@snubdawg1386 Go for it! I haven't made youtube videos in a decade. :)
This is the best comparison on UA-cam💯💯💯
For me in both initial performances I like the 60 better. The overall tone is warmer, but I also get more details from the open hi-hats, more prolonged ringing. From the Live each instrument is more separate, with space around them, but the melodic sample is very receded. In the 60 everything is closer together and closer to my ear but the sample is very present.
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i think this is my new favorite comment haha! Thanks Alden!!
I super appreciate the fact that you were able to talk about something you used Skillshare for/liked about it, rather than just rattle off a description of what it is - I think it shows proper integrity. I've seen Skillshare promos a thousand times, but yours made me want to go check it out - particularly that typography course! Dope comparison too, the MPC 60ii kills it imo, especially on the overdriven samples. Peace!
7:16 its the low end content the emulation just isn't getting "right" for my ear. Side note super jealous of your fully working 60ii
I did this exact comparison with my mpc 1000 and the live. I love how identical they sound as well
The MPC 60 can even actually brighten the sound (if you sample the sound in pitched by an octave at the source and then pitch it down the same amount in the MPC, it actually nicely invigorates the sound!) I think the power of the device just like with all old Akais comes from running the input stage reasonably loud: sounds so good with drums.
i think MPC 60 more crispy ... am i right ?
I really like Ricky's attitude, very chill but the best bit is the open mindedness, like the when he says inthis video, why not run a $4,000 synth into a $100 sampler?! Why not indeed!
Actually I've ordered a P.O 33, because its really well designed, sounds rough and gritty (its 8 bit). It seems we live in an age of digital perfection, yet we seek imperfection. It reminds me of how something like handmade pottery is beautiful, in part due to its imperfections. The P.O 33 is a real winner, everyone should get one. Lots of fun, chic design and plenty of warm, digital dirt!
I met Ricky in Los Angeles at a Synth showcase in 2019 and he is a cool dude.
This video was so helpful man, i never had an mpc or listened to one live, and u showed why some ppl prefer one besides the other. Good content
The 60 definitely has a more 'bottom-middle'-focused sound, while the Live has a lot more 'high' in the mix, especially noticeable with the driven samples. Both sound great, though. I'm positive with more EQing the 'high' could be tamed from the Live and give it the 'warmer mellow sound' of the 60. Kind of surprised they didn't account for that in their emulation/filter, but of course old equipment ages differently from unit to unit, so sound will vary.
If im not mistaken (which i often am) the 60ii applies a filter to reduce some high freq noise. Maybe this is similar to the sp1200 trying to filter out aliasing.. hmm
I definitely hear a more mids focused sound from the 60ii as well. Like a gentle high shelf + a very slight compression. The live is SOOOO close though.
That’s cool and all. The real problem is the lost low end on the live.
You can eq and filter frequencies away. Adding ones that aren’t there is another story.
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Yeah, that's something that surprised me about their 'emulation'.
@@doppelganger8659 Yep. MPC 3000 in particular is so well known for the low end. Emulators don't quite have it yet I'm afraid.
wow i was not expecting to be able to pick out the mpc60 so easily in the blind test.
the real question is why the MPC Live look like the AKAI Tomcat
for real, I bet they’d sell more of them if they looked like their classic samplers
@@DaveyReynolds I'm surprise there no classic gray or blue 2000xl version... That would be sexy on the MPC Live ii
Looks like one of the mpcstuff.com skins. They make a 2000XL classic skin too.
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This comment still gets me 😂
I pass the test and I can't wait for your upcoming MPC3000 comparison. You motivated me to repair my MPC3K display when I saw your other video back in April about "Think i found the best studio setup.. For me! // 2020 Music Studio Workflow" A week after I saw that video I was able to repair the MPC3000 from an iPhone 6 plus back-light display and a step up inverter board. Upgraded the ROM's to 3.5 and boy I'm glad to have this baby up and running. Seriously, all because of you and feeling the same way with good analog gear. Good job Ricky. I'm enjoying your videos a lot. Thank you
dope test! i knew the difference between them would be at the extremes of the frequency spectrum from 20hz-40hz and 14khz-20khz and the difference ended up being pretty clear. i was able to guess correctly except for the distorted samples. man does that MPC60 sound sick. i have an MPC Live, and im not ashamed of it... but the MPC60's pitchshifting, and saturation/distortion is pure 🤤
I guessed them all right . the 60 has a certain "lofi-ness" to it that can't be faked.
I want my first mpc just can't figure if I should go new or old, I love the sound of both
I was quite surprised I liked the 60 more and I was rooting for the Live. Over my pc speakers I couldn't tell the difference but once I put on my good headphones the 60 pulled way ahead for me. I like the smaller footprint of the Live, the touch screen, and the lower cost, even thought I don't plan on purchasing either, but that 60 caught me off guard. Thanks for the video Ricky!
If you know what to listen for it is extremely obvious and easy to pick out. The big changes are clarity, punch, detail, and headroom. The MPC 60 actually has less of all of these but it also has a low mid bump that warms things up and makes it feel punchier - EQ for free.
I think to get it closer to the original resampling or or printing at much lower resolutions would do the trick. The SP1200 for example is 12 bit @ 25 kHz, the MPC 60 is 12 bit at 40 kHz, the 3000 is 16 bit at 44.1 kHz. In comparison, the live likely defaults to 24 bit at 44.1 or 48 kHz. By down sampling you are going to get a lot closer to the original sound by capturing the information the older units would have actually been able to capture and shave off the excess that gives it the modern feel.
The only difference left will be the differences in the samplers soundcard that actually does the audio conversion. While the plugin gets you close, if you want it near perfect down sampling should get it to where it is near imperceptible. If it still isn't quite what you need a little shaping EQ or compression will likely do the trick.
The Live seems to do overdriven sounds better if you use reduced bitrate samples.
I've been sampling on an old Yamaha SU10 and then resampling on the Live and that seems to give it the grit I was looking for.
The mpc60 sound is beautiful. That said, with the live you have flexibility that you can emulate that sound on the unit (or later in your daw) or go with a million other coloration type sounds. No right or wrong. I will say that I almost always run my Mpc live through analog gear at some point for a little mojo.
my roommate just walked in on me telling my computer "it's overdriven" lol
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Or would it be overdrove??🤔
@@MrSirrah84 overdrived 😂
When you compared a/b on the music samples, it honestly sounded like it was mixed differently. “A” having a more “modern” sound, and “B” sounded like other aspects of the mix were emphasized compared to “A”.
That’s what I hear with this live in all the different comparison videos 👍
The kick was much quieter on the B in both, which basically made the whole thing pointless
Love this jam at the end !
Haha! Over-what?? That was gold. Great comparison - really wasn't much in it at all with the clean samples but when you used the clipped/over-driven set the differences began to show clearly. Both did sound great though. You've got some gorgeous MPC's - would love a 60 and 3000 one day.
yooo that mpc live customized look so drip
I like your conclusion. I agree with you too. It's nice to mess about and find out if the emulation sounds like the real thing but at the end of the day a great idea will sound great on whatever you make it on. Anyhow thanks for reminding me that I have to finish restoring an MPC60 mkII that I have waiting to do a project with, lol.
I previously wasn’t into newer samplers because I felt like they were too clean to the point where they sound like your average DAW but with less capability. I preferred older samplers because the less advanced tech caused them to inadvertently have distinct sounds, making them useful for sound design.
I think it’s very clever and forward thinking for Akai to create emulators for their older products. I would’ve never thought of a brilliant solution like that.
Been a feature of Maschine since day 1 (idk if it’s as good as the Akai version, but they got 60 and other models in there, more since newer versions of maschine as well, so the standalone might compete pretty well when it comes to sound quality, well see!)
@@JamieClark Maschine hasn't had the feature "since day one", they added the Vintage modes almost 2 years after Maschine was released. As for the modes, Maschine has the SP1200 but in varying modes and the MPC60. The Live has the SP1200, SP1200 Ring, MPC3000, and MPC60. Having both I feel like the MPC versions sounds better overall than the ones Maschine has, especially the MPC60. The MPC has had these modes since the Ren was released so many moons ago. That being said you can't go wrong with either.
You can also put the sampler effects into the insert chain and sample with it on to "print" the effect in. You can also actually change it so that the Live use the effect globally in the preferences so that it's basically on the master output.
One thing Ricky is doing here that will really bring out the sound of the vintage plugins is to lower the pitch of the sample, that works exceptionally well for the SP1200 engine, but still works on the MPC60/3000 mode as well, though it doesn't get you the same crunch imo.
When overdriven the 60 retains a much smoother sound. It added some nice character to the sound. The live sounds good as long and it's not overdriven. Except on that one crash sample, the live handled that better than the 60. Still I'm impressed with the live.
I appreciate your non-bias approach to reviewing this man!
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One of the coolest people on here and your temperament is great. Fantastic vibe!!
Love your videos and style, informative and very enjoyable. Sad to have missed saying hi when you were in London last year
Definitely needed this. Would love to see a comparison with Maschine’s MPC60 mode as well 👀
that would be embarrassing for the maschine
you can also set the master outputs to various "vintage" modes in settings. so that way you're not using up an effects slot. fun video though! Test 1 I was kind of indifferent, test 2 I strongly suspected which one was the 60 and I was right (and preferred that one). You summed it up nicely in the end, though; who cares what you use to make music with, in the end it's what we're here for anyway :D
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Hey Ricky, I appreciate all your videos and vibes.
Cool comparison!
Such an awesome video, really enjoyed watching this! I'm amazed by how the MPC 60 sounds.
You are my favourite for all the technical stuff. Really appreciate the videos
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They both sound really nice! On the fence about a new sampler/sequencer. Replacing my Digitakt may be the call, but that MPC Live is pretty awesome. Thanks for the video! Amazing as usual.
Makes me want to sample my melodic material into my X from a 60. The percussive one shots were surprisingly close though. That second a/b test threw me. I was sure the louder one was the 60. I use the 60 vintage mode on all 3 of my modern units; Live, Force and X se. Set it and forget it. Sounds imperfect but better.
Next video, can you have a conversation or run an experiment on _how_ to get those smooth vintage sounds from a new age machine like the MPC Live?
Slate digital has a set of vintage tape and compressor emulators that can do miracles to your channels and master bus.
De-tuning on those old samplers is the business. I like how you auditioned the individual drum hits, also goes to show the 60 sums the mix better.🎧
didn't expect the MPC 60ii to sound so much better, more glued together and less highs
Dope bro, love to see others that do the type of tests I do
I am honestly amazed by the huge difference!
Can u perhaps add a scope in a next video or so to show us what is going on?
really intresting, thanks for showcaseing this.
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I can hear it...I use an MPC LIVE, but still keep my 5000 around because even it sounds slightly different...just found your channel...subbed👍🏻
I like your ending point about the MPC 60 winning, but not entirely winning. The MPC Live is doing an emulation of the 60, and can do an emulation of the 3000 etc. This is a big point - while it might not do emulations with 100% accuracy, it has its own sound, and it also has the emulations. Its all good ^_^
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Can’t wait for the mpc 3000 test
Whoaaaa that’s Illa J’s MPC? Crazyyyyyy
they are really close in tones, but the hats give it away Mpc60 is a hint dirtier then the live I have both of them too the ASR10/ Sp1200/ MV8000 as well and I have sampled Alot of stuff playing with the Tones of each. ALL are a beast in their own way
That brain fart was definitely how it feels to live with wild fire smoke
Same...
as an owner of the 60 I was surprised at how clean it was when I bought it. Now I'm so happy it is, drums that come from it are punchier than anything I've ever used but doesn't color the sample to the point where its always crunching and aliasing
also in terms of distorting the inputs, I did read a long time ago that the A/D converters have some sort of noise reduction circuit built in, which might be why it "controls" the gain, might. be a really discreet and simple compressor in there. Also none of that may be true lol
The mpc 60 emulation in the one and live is quite good. Its way better than i anticipated and is way better than what i remember the maschine attempted to do
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its very close but if you run it hot its not even close its like old mpcs have compressor on main or something. How do you think OG mpc 2000 would compete with new one way worse than 60 and 3000 or similair? i dunno if i should buy new MPC live or old mpc 2000 original one. I have roland mv 8000 now but i have same worflow as you thru ableton,
Hi
Just completed a degree in Sound Engineering and Music Production- we studied this topic in class with out great tutor Sam Willis - 8bit /16bit analogue being continuous vs digital being limited - great video - but what’s most interesting is that the Live sounds so very very close - you’d be nit picking to find a huge difference and whatever one has over the over can be gained through plugins - maximum respect to Roger Linn - the MPC 60 is the legacy instrument whose workflow still beats a DAW - simplicity/ limitation breeds creativity
I think you’ve mixed yourself up there, mate. Bits aren’t analogue, they’re strictly a digital process.
I saw the video with some friends that have MPC Live and they failed the test. I don't have MPCs but as a fan of ricky I pass the test. The key is to hear not the drum part (you can hear something with the OHH and rides) but listen to the chord. the original 60 "
knead" the sound while the mpc seems to be more clear but a little bit closed on the medium high frequencies. This probably due to the digital processing that tend to "spread" the sound's frequencies to the same level acting allmost like a glue comp. Maybe to avoid peaks in the final master track.
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It will be cool try to recreate mpc60 effect manually with air lofi fx on Live.
Reducing sample rate and bit depth with fx may give other results.
At least it's worth to try.
i usually find downsampling effects disappointing but AIR Lofi is one of the best i've used. i usually just forget about trying to emulate a specific sampler and tweak it to the exact vibe i want.
I am really curious about this too
If air lofi was on he wouldn't have been able to tell a difference the mpc plugin is garbage. The air lofi should have been used.
I find AirLofi to do a much better job downsampling and adding alias effects than the 1200 emulation. Sounds much better
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The 60 has a real analog vibe. You can really hear the difference with percussive sounds and bass sounds. A reason why the 60 is still Gs. But like you said. It’s all preference 💯💯💯
Most of the “Analog” sound people talk about is usually the lack of brightness. Newer technology is usually going to be more brighter. Also digital sounds have less of headroom when it comes to driving sounds for a nice “Distortion”.
Oversampling solves the headroom issue pretty well digitally
But analog drive definitely has its own beauty
Don't know how to break this down to the "analog" people... Both machines are digital samplers.
Gabriele Catalano I was talking in reference to things like the Analog Heat, or running a 303 through stomp boxes
Joshua Keddie over sampling doesn’t fix all problem and sometimes it creates others. Now to be honest I’m no expert in the subject but even in traditional music recording it’s understandable that “you can’t polish a turd” so if your sound source is already at its limit then just over sampling will just create other problems. ua-cam.com/video/l0CsAqCtZXo/v-deo.html
I appreciate this video just got a MPC live 2 and wanted to know the comparison, drums are close but the MPC 60ii samples are warm grit's
This is fantastic and the format you did was perfecto. Didn't have to jump through hoops to find out which was which. I liked 1. A, 2. B. Both! Dang...the 60 definitely has a better overdriven sound which I suppose is expected. My S950 gonna get some more love now. Bro, inspiring me to do a Live vs SP1200 shootout.
I don't really have a pony in this race because I don't use samples in my work and the MPC has always been way out of my price league, but I still liked your video. I like your style, man. Thanks.
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Illa j is the brother of the great j dilla for those who don't know.. Props Ricky!! Great video as always
I wonder if the older MPC has a stronger HF filter on the AD converter, why it sounded less hash ?
Could you do a comparison with samples where you on the master output channel add AIR Lo-Fi and set it to 12bit / 40 khz
Ricky Tinez I used to have an MPC60 II that was modded by Forat with the Output Boost Modification on the Stereo and all 8 direct outs $300 - The MPC60 is 12-bit resolution vs/ MPCLIVE 24-bit.
Great video bro keep up good work! I can’t wait to get a Mpc live
Who would give thumbs down? Love these comparison videos
If you can please add a spectrum analyzer next time...for us nerds 🤓
or just load one in your daw and monitor while watching?
I actually liked the MPC Live's sound in the A/B test better. The drums sounded nice on the 60 felt like they were pumping but the Live sounded less muddy to me.
You had me at more bass. Just got a yamaha a4000 in a trade and have an s3200 coming in another trade. The asr10 has never been happier. The Live is sounding pretty darn good though.
look forward to that mpc3000 vid!
If you ran the master out through your sp 404, shouldnt it colour the live signal with its unique sound? I‘ve got an sp404 and I am thinking about getting a live 2 for its versatility. Your video makes me question if I can get the sound from it that I indend to.
Hey, could you make a video about the rytmic possibilities in a mpc? I mean what is the usp of mpcs in this topic and did anything change from the older ones to the new ones?
Nailed the A/B test. But Then again, i have been using the MPC60 for 25 years now :)
I got it right both times and preffered the 60 both times. But I was second guessing myself, thinking maybe Akai made the emulation exagerrated ending up 'more 60 than the 60'. My first guesses ended up being correct though. The 60 sounds smoother, and more glued together.
Thanks for the comparison! Those high harmonics on the MPC60ii seem to almost overflow in the digital domain, the distortion sounds like bit shifting, and the mix to my ears has more compression.
Awesome comparison 👏! Thank you!
Incredible, non-bias comparison. Can you do the MPC 3000 next? Thanks for this great content! As someone who loves samplers, I really been enjoying your channel.
Hey ricky great video as always !
You put the same link for mpc 60ii and mpc live in the description ;)
I like the 60ii when it comes to the distortion because you know you’re going to get that heavy, crunchy sound and when used properly it can drive (pun not intended) the dance floor nuts, and I do like some distortion in my beats sometimes
Hey Ricky! Would be cool to see your workflow when using the 60 some time. I’m a fellow 60 owner and tbh haven’t busted it out for a while as I kinda got bored with having to use it’s clunky chopping engine every time I turn it on (of course I have Zip’s with samples saved but I always like sampling new stuff into it) Would love to see how other people quickly sample into it and get a beat going on it.
Same workflow as his 3000
romain jub well there’s a few big differences. You have to consider that you have 20 seconds of sampling time on a 60, also no filter and the only stereo sampling has to be created after sampling two mono sources. Oh and no digital in.
Would love to see if Ricky uses the 60 any differently. I know if I had both I’d probably use the 3000 a lot differently. I’d definitely utilise that digital in (though I did see he has a USB card on his 60)
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I really love this kind of videos, a comparison reveals a lot. Like, yeah, some vintage gear sounds better (for me) despite technological advances.
People who make a lot of money from music are not interested in the tiny subtlety
@@fantasyproduct1042 People who make a lot of money from music pay people to have subtlety ;)
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There are definitely some differences. But nothing u couldn't achieve with a little bit of Eq and some Distortion.
Interesting: for the clean I much preferred the overall sound on the 60. For the distorted/overdriven I liked the Live quite a bit more especially that aggressive high end. I think I overdrive and distort my drums 99% of the time, it’s just baked in to my music at this point, so for the specific sound I like to make the live has the edge for me. But real talk when you start mixing and hitting the eqs you can get both to sound excellent, but this was fun to see these differences under a microscope!
Same same
same dude i liked live more when overdriven it was dirty as hell but nothing eq can do. If you eq it properly they would sound excactly the same i guess
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I gussed it Correctly. (MPCLive-A 60ii-B) Liked them both. Kool stuff.
a bit off subject , but I have the og mpc60, but I must admit the II just looks cooler. They’re identical inside right? Maybe it’s a grass is greener thing :)
Nice one! This was real good of you sir!
Preferred B, had a nicer swing , more round bottom end, kinda hoping it was the new mpc , no such luck. Also transients seem sharper on the 60 for some reason.
The older MPC sounds a bit dull and warm. However, I love that sound. Both are great.
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