Evinrude etec 250 not reliable. Episode 1

[@surfsnow1984]

If it wasn’t fixed you should’ve refused to pay. Why pay for a job that wasn’t done? Think this is more of a video about the shop that ripped you off rather than the motor.

[@swag-saltwateranglerguys7767]

Keep in mind I called in to BRP and asked them where to take it, and they recommended this shop. That this place was the certified Etec dealer and that was the best place to take it. Look man I’m just trying to move forward I’m just trying to warn people that they honestly could care less about you once you’re out of warranty regardless of the circumstances.

[@stephanschouten8497]

@@swag-saltwateranglerguys7767 I hear you man, truly I do. But, every brand-every factory-has at least 1 bad product every Monday! Do not bash an entire brand because you had bad luck! I do hope so that they will fix the issue by replacing the entire outfit...I mean-they should give you a brand new one. But bashing an entire brand is not the way to do it I think. Best of luck bro....oh and please stay healthy! #Coronashitandstuff All the best to you, from Holland!

[@swag-saltwateranglerguys7767]

Stephan Schouten Bro they didn’t even offer me a discount on a brand new one. I went through the manufacture to find out what place to take it to before I got it fixed in the first place. I took extra steps to make sure I didn’t go to the wrong place and spend the money in the wrong spot. Then after I made my claim and explained all that again to them they did nothing. Cmon man. I wasn’t asking for a brand new motor. But they could give me a credit on what I spent towards one.

[@astroplutonium]

@@swag-saltwateranglerguys7767 always get a repair estimate and refuse to pay anything they have done that the cost has not been approved by you. At this point you might as well had left the motor there instead of paying 12k dollars and put it on a used one that works.... i mean i feel for you but they scammed you, i would take it the legal way...

[@bishop9598]

In the first 40 seconds, he identifies what caused the problem: ". . . I got some moisture in my gas tank and it ran bad one day . . ." What a lot of people do not understand is that with all these higher tech engines now (injectors in any modern OB are quite different than they were a decade ago), you do not want to get any bad gas, or allow your gas to get water in it (condensation).
It's not much different than the high tech engines in cars today. You do not want to get bad gas with them either and with all OB's, if you can stay away from ethanol, do it . . . as the ethanol attracts moisture. It's why they recommend filling up the tank right after use (and use a fuel treatment like Sta-bil, Star Tron, or similar). It's why these modern OB's are much more fuel efficient and less polluting than they used to be. With the new injectors, you should have the mind set to do everything that you can to eliminate fuel problems.
And, of course, make sure that the dealer / mechanic that works on your engine provides proof that your engine has been repaired (injectors replaced etc), before you pay them. Dealers (etc) are completely separate companies from the OEM, and it sounds as that is where your problem lies . . .
You've got to be smart and do your research on your power plant and who is qualified to work on it nowadays . . . so that you don't get ripped off. Once upon a time, shade-tree mechanics could "fix" most problems with engines (and such). Not anymore - and that applies to cars too.
"BRP doesn't care at all". I am sure they do, but they are not responsible for your problem, so why would you think they would reimburse you?

[@FishOnIsMyHandle]

If you supposedly spent 12k in repairs on an outboard to no avail you are far from being an 'experienced boat owner.' You are what we call PROFIT.

[@williamzender8683]

😂😂

[@joshfeister6566]

Yesssss

[@swag-saltwateranglerguys7767]

Hahahahaha this is somewhat true. I can put you guys on fish though

[@seadog2396]

Hmmm .... I feel your pain.
I have to agree with the above - you went waaaaaaay to far in.
I had a very similar problem with a brand-new boat and motor (inboard).
Got 5k into repairs just after the warranty expired.
Retained an experienced, talented attorney. Settled with the boat manufacturer for $40,000 - AND, the manufacturer had to take the boat back. That's right, eat it.
The problem boat was a 29-foot. I took the 40k and plowed it into a 40-foot boat from the same manufacturer.
The 40 ran perfectly well and was a real treasure.
Sometimes - you really need to get a lawyer. When I retained mine, all of a sudden the manufacturer TOOK ME VERY SERIOUSLY....

[@jimquantic]

How do you figure Fish on? IF/WHEN a company does not, or can not "make it right" then you must either scrap and buy another engine, or pay for repairs; sounds like it might be YOU that are inexperienced. I'm experienced AND lucky as I see it, my Honda just runs and runs and runs and, well you know--it runs. But many friends with other engines have spent far more than this guy chasing their tail. This make them all NOT experienced? Where are you coming from?

[@jessystine2197]

Transom bolts are to tight loosen them up take to water and run wide open until it flys off the boat.. problem solved

[@swag-saltwateranglerguys7767]

Jessy Stine Best advice yet

[@thorpeboat]

Jessy Stine good one,I just love it 👍🇦🇺

[@hughchristian1976]

Jessy Stine , You said what we all thought.

[@craigd51]

you got taken to the cleaners, you should never have paid that bill

[@nickcapello1908]

I won't b buying an E-tech now. Thanks

[@Rem1061]

Why pay if the work wasn't done? Require proof the problem is fixed before forking over payment, or require warranty on work in writing?

[@astroplutonium]

I agree, 12k USD should be good enough for warranty repair. Or else ask all your money back. Just go down with a lawyer for 15 minutes and you will see how they fold.

[@thisismecantuseeitsacz5823]

Dude if you spent 12000 on repairs you are WHACKO 😂

[@swag-saltwateranglerguys7767]

This Is Me Can’t u see It’s a CZ Aren’t we all

[@thisismecantuseeitsacz5823]

@@swag-saltwateranglerguys7767 naw man I would have traded that turd and got a Suzuki or Honda 🙈

[@edgendron3793]

This is total b.s you got hosed ..I can fix my own motors

[@thisismecantuseeitsacz5823]

@@edgendron3793 I agree they killed him on the price.Suzuki made videos to show you hot to change the impeller I watched it I think they have a lot of do it yourself videos

[@jrgen6599]

ed gendron try fixing a etec is like working on a mercury

[@tomrizzo1554]

This video almost makes me want to open a marine mechanic shop and get you as a customer I'd be rich

[@swag-saltwateranglerguys7767]

Tom rizzo lmao

[@swag-saltwateranglerguys7767]

@B lol good comment I missed this one.

[@fordgtcs0796]

Right! Guys a fucking idiot! Who the fuck spends all this money on an engine just go buy a new one at that point 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️

[@astroplutonium]

Most marine workshops dont even need to be certified, its a qualified scam i tell you.... overpriced spare parts and unqualified work. If you find a good one, never let them go....

[@stevenope3152]

If you did any research at all on your own, you would have found all the reports of bad or dirty injectors cause your issue. If you spent $100 on the diagnostic software you would have been able to shut each injector off 1 at a time until you found the one that had no change in the way it was running. That would be the bad one. I can say this with experience. One of my twins had the same problem as yours. Did the research online. bought the software I needed to test. determined which one it was. ordered the new part online. Installed new injector and updated the coefficient file that each injector needs with the same diagnostic software. Found youtube videos on how to do it all. Fixed. part was $600. Software was $100. labor was free. I am not a mechanic. Just not afraid to do things myself. I love these engines. Big heavy 25' Hydrasports boat and the thing jumps on plain. 50MPH on the water. You need to learn to use the internet.

[@astroplutonium]

Etec are actually the easiest motors to diagnose and service at home of any other brand i know... so i totally agree with you. A cable, software and a little bit of youtube search would take you a very long way before forking out 12k... still that shop sounds awful. They could have at least helped him getting a used working one. At this rate he is going to pay more for them experimenting on it than the motor is actually worth...

[@astroplutonium]

Its not the engine that has the problem. Its the workshop. Bad workshops are an engines worse enemy... even abuse does not compare to a bad workshop.
I bought a seemingly good 115 Evinrude and when i went down to details the workshop had done EVERYTHING wrong... i had to change plug and index (1 was not indexed, 1 was NOT tighthend) had to change all filters that they ignored on every single year service for 10 years, i had to re-grease and change gear oil because they had used the wrong stuff, they had overtorqued all cover bolts and broke all fittings, i had to epoxy and fix all of them. Now it runs and purs like a kitten. No problems at all.
If you buy a Yamaha DONT TAKE IT TO THE SAME incompetent workshop you had your Etec. Good luck.

[@puzer1]

..." I really know what I'm looking for when I buy a used boat"...proceeds to buy an Etec...

[@swag-saltwateranglerguys7767]

puzer1 You my friend have one the best comment of the year award 🥇

[@Lelbek]

@The Casting Channel won*

[@bradenwuesthoff5639]

puzer1 hahahaha yamaha or honda all the way

[@gtray7]

And pulls it with a dodge…

[@charlesronk2989]

My lord there are some very unsympathetic posts on here. My old 1992 Evinrude 60hp died last fall and I was just looking at a 75hp E-tec. The more I look online the more I think I might either rebuild the one I have or just go with a Mercury. Thank you for sharing your story. Oh and by the way that 1992 Evinrude I took into the shop in 1996 because it was having trouble idling. They told me they engine was shot and needed overhauling and quoted me some outrageous price. I took it home and it had 138lbs in all 3 cylinders I cleaned the carbs and have been using it for 23 years. Seems these boat shops are master scam artists. Anyway if you ever do get a resolution I am curious to see what you found. Oh and might want to try to take a small gas tank with new fuel in it an hook it to the outboard and see how it runs. Good Luck.

[@t.j.johnson1697]

Sounds like your water, I mean contaminated fuel caused an issue and you have been going to incompetant mechanics.

[@swag-saltwateranglerguys7767]

T.J. Johnson I feel like they were very incompetent mechanics.

[@bullerman2]

First thing came to mind was contaminated fuel

[@Beachnative42]

@@bullerman2 or a bad cable ground or the cable itself is full of water

[@bobscruggs8886]

This reminds me of a 1978 Volvo I purchase I was a salesman and covered 5 states the car broke down so many times due to an electrical problem the dealer kept replacing parts well I broke down in the middle of cites on Route 95 and anywhere at anytime after just 10 months I took a financial beating and traded for something more reliable this car was not only a nightmare but dangerous to me and my family.
In boating your safety comes first not counting the fishing fun you have missed wish you the best.

[@MrPALEHORSERIDER]

How could you possibly pay a bill on a problem like that with out listening to it run. Your the problem not that motor.😂

[@swag-saltwateranglerguys7767]

MrPALEHORSERIDER lol

[@redline9579]

@@swag-saltwateranglerguys7767 your a fucking IDIOT its not lol

[@edgendron3793]

I. Have a 1985 115 merk and I took great care of her and she still runs AWESOME

[@Etrician55]

Have you had them change an injector yet? If you had a bad fuel issue its kind of the only thing it can be man......

[@swag-saltwateranglerguys7767]

yes i have still no go.

[@jschiro818]

But did you put the injector file in when you changed the injectors

[@wjohnson858]

I had a 2014 G1 250hp. Had water in the fuel at 35hrs. Hit a submerged object 35 miles offshore and had to replace the LU (under warranty)at 330 hrs. SOld the engine at 975hrs with the only repairs ever done was those listed and changing the plugs 2X. Replaced engine with 300hp G2. This is my 4th etec and all have basically been problem free engines. Sorry you had a different story than mine.

[@brockwilliams9254]

I had a 150 e tec on a bay bought I bought brand new. It left me stranded 3 times! All oil system related! I would never own another one. I finally sent so may emails and calls to evinrude they contacted the dealer I bought it from and told him to swap the engine for a new one. I refused. I only had 10 hours on the boat ! The second it was running and confirmed I sold the boat taking a $4000 loss. Like somebody on here said buy a Yamaha and call it done. Thanks for sharing.

[@rickdellinger7572]

You could have bought a new motor. !!!! Give it up. !!!!

[@dlach3139]

Bought mine 4 yrs ago. Ran well for 1 season and has been in the shop every year multiple times ever since.

[@jejoko]

How ridiculous would this all be if it was all just a primer bulb gone bad that collapses under the vacuum of the fuel pump.
My outboard was having misfiring issues and bogging out.
New primer bulb, problem fixed.
From there on I alway carry a new brimer bulb with me.

[@swag-saltwateranglerguys7767]

Raw Fish extremely ridiculous lol but not the problem

[@nowmds1]

start pulling plug wires to see what cylinders arnt firing. should be a easy diagnosis.

[@carmelpule6954]

Listening to the rhythm of that engine, it is clear that it is injector problems and that owner was taken for a ride with all those invoices to pay.
Anyone who is interested should look at the high precision engineering that exists in those expensive injectors and they are rather delicate in nature to many issues. The companies and the technicians who gave this poor soul all those invoices knew what the fault was but did not tackle it straight away thinking that all people are so gullible.
Here is what is happening.
*The injector is to be made more tolerant of the imperfection which exists in the petrol we buy from petrol companies. It means that the injector needs to be made from more durable allow to meet the imperfections of the petrol supply from petrol stations.
The customer buying petrol from a petrol station has no control over the water due to the condensation in the storage tank at the petrol stations. The filters do not eliminate moisture in petrol and while the engine is working water pass through the injector tiny aperture in small amounts and this is not going to ruin the injector while the engine works. It is when the engine is switched off and laid up for a few days or more when the water becomes an issue as a few droplets of water may exist in the injector and start to form some surface corrosion of some form.
The corrosion does three functions, it will cause at the injector tip weakens the " voice coil" or the control coil for the injector action as this is electrical controlled and fuel cooled also. Any corrosion in the injector will inhibit the operation of the injector piston. Note that this is a high-pressure injector which operated at top dead center and not a low-pressure injection system that operates when the exhaust of the two strokes just closes.
Here is some information about it.
With two strokes there are high pressure and low-pressure injection systems. The E-Tec is a very high-pressure injection system. the FICHT and E-Tec systems are very similar but have some differences. The Ficht system, it is a direct injection system meaning that the fuel is injected directly into the combustion chamber when the piston is close to the top of its stroke. This concept is great for fuel economy, power, and emissions, but there are technical challenges with injecting fuel into a hot, highly compressed combustion chamber. The Ficht system injects the fuel by energizing a solenoid that serves as a plunger. The plunger pushes on a column of fuel that is piped to an injector. So, the order of operations is that an electric current is sent to a solenoid which causes a plunger to push fuel into the combustion chamber. The plunger is returned to its original position by a spring. When the plunger is pulled back to its "rest" position, it is re-filled with fuel ready for the next cycle. The big difference between Ficht & E-tec is that there is no spring in the E-tec system. The plunger is returned to its "rest" position by reversing the current through the solenoid which makes the plunger shuttle in the opposite direction. The reversing polarity design does have several advantages to be sure, including the fact that the plunger can return to position faster, and it is quieter than the old spring system. The E-tec system allows greater control of the solenoid that the Ficht system did. The computer does not allow the plunger to travel its entire stroke and the current is reversed pulling the solenoid back. This allows the computer to not only control when the fuel is injected, but how much fuel is injected.
The E-Tec Evinrude has great problems with the material used in the complex injector unit, as it is not so tolerant of the fuel on can buy from the petrol station. If one follows the forums and discussion on E-Tec in any country, the philosophy of the E- Tec and Ficht system are brilliant but their practicality and tolerance to the fuel any customer can buy from petrol stations are still far off from the satisfaction of the customer who is in no position to make perfect petrol with no water or ethanol in it.

[@davidwarren4569]

perhaps he is putting ethanol fuel in it.

[@phyllismurrietta9264]

It would effect all 6 not just 2

[@gregsmith8032]

So true I would swap inj an see if it moves to another cylinder I know he doesn’t have the computer to self test to find out which one is causing issue but in the shop I’ve gone back to old school diagnostic computer doesn’t do flow rate but if one is bad or causing prob spray some tuner into vst tank with old school fitting hose and run that thru injectors let sit for hr then run it up

[@worsel2113]

Sounds like a problem with the owner (water in gas) then repair shops. Does not sound like it's a problem inherent in the motor.

[@swag-saltwateranglerguys7767]

Worsel That’s how I felt 2 shops ago

[@bradenwuesthoff5639]

At my shop if we diag something and say you need this part and you buy it and it doesnt fix the problem, we pay for it because we diagnosed it wrong

[@roguewarr4662]

Your right about the miss fire condition. their is a serious problem when you pay good money to have a problem like that fixed , and they give it back to you in the same condition that you brought it in for .Should have never accepted boat back unless there was a water test...and everyone concerned was happy . Sound like someone was throwing parts at a wall hoping for one to stick.

[@rickdellinger7572]

I have a 1983 evinrude on my bass boat. Greatest motor ever made. Still running like new!!! Find a 1983 evinrude you will be happy!!!!

[@charlesdriggers199]

I would not have paid anyone until it was water tested. I would tell them up front that this is the way it is or go somewhere else. Evinrude used to be one of the best outboards made. Ever since OMC screwed them up and went bankrupt, BRP buying the brand, and still hearing of problems, I don't trust them. A Mercury man now, and not looking back. Yamaha and Suzuki are my next picks. I hate it for you. It is a hassle and expense that can drive you crazy.

[@hemipower63]

Charles Driggers Evinrude has always been garbage.

[@charlesdriggers199]

@@hemipower63 And how would you know? Post about things you know about.

[@iceyaj3167]

a honest and decent mechanic is hard to find these days. this is why i work on my own stuff. i replace the water pump and piston rings all at the same time on my 2 stroke Yamaha outboard that cost me 100 dollars and little of my time.

[@swag-saltwateranglerguys7767]

ice yaj I wish I knew how to do it

[@rogerslawncare7260]

Best thing is to turn the camera on unbuckle it from the transom and kick it off and let it rot right where it fell! And tag Evinrude in this video when you do it!!! Make a movement anti Evinrude movement that is!! Who wants to buy high priced 2 stroke oil plus gas anymore? No one buy a four stroke way less over head cost to run and better on the environment as well!!

[@swag-saltwateranglerguys7767]

Rogers’ Lawn Care I am sending the link of this video back to the claims department and I’m going to CC the top seven people on the board at BRP I have all their personal email addresses. I started this video because of that my friend that’s what this is about.

[@Artoconnell]

you can buy the engine brand new for about 14 rigged..New...Mismatched tires and wheels on the trailer...you can buy a newer...2 -3 model year engine for 6500 on ebay,

[@bigjoe5659]

I don’t understand why people are so rude. The guy put his trust in his mechanics and they robbed him. Not everyone is a mechanic.

[@swag-saltwateranglerguys7767]

Thanks joe

[@bigjoe5659]

No problem it’s the truth. Sorry your going through this.

[@swag-saltwateranglerguys7767]

Joe Kioske I should of got a Suzuki

[@gregsmith8032]

If you still have any trust in great power an fuel economy that this engine has take off the injectors number them to the cylinders send them out to cleaned an tested Fla fuel inj service in Saint Petersburg

[@swag-saltwateranglerguys7767]

Greg Smith source one marine did that already with no luck.

[@michaelteeple8704]

Comments about not paying till its fixed are pretty stupid. They dont water test cause your boat dont leave till its paid for. This is where knowing your shop comes in but they cant have a mechanic working all day for free and he shouldn't just be stabbing at it either. Try that get a warranty in writing shit and see how that goes. Basically youll be dragging your boat from shop to shop wasting everones time. At some point be best to fix it yourself. Probably electrical. They can be hard to track down if its intermittent.

[@user-lp9ye1po3w]

You are absolutely being taken for a ride or the dealership mechanic is completely incompetent. I would love to hear what their justification for replacing the EMM is. You can get the diagnostics cable and software for like $15 and you can see everything the dealer does as well as have access to a suite of diagnostic tests. This is almost certainly the injectors and could have been fixed maybe 100-300 bucks DIY or like 1000-1500 at a stealership. Water in gas causes problems on any engine of any year or make, buy and install a $30 water/fuel separator and save yourself from future headaches.

[@swag-saltwateranglerguys7767]

Tim Lukacik I know I was taken for a ride. Very upset and thanks for the comment. I’m sure Brp is watching this video

[@chrisp2876]

@@swag-saltwateranglerguys7767 Mechanical contrivences fail, as do electrical and electronic. Your beef is with the dealer who are ripping you off. But getting BPR involved may help motivate the dealer to make good. You may even consider consulting a lawyer. If it helps you feel a little better, BPR won't be getting my business now.

[@swag-saltwateranglerguys7767]

@@chrisp2876 I am just trying to get them to hold Source one marine THAT THEY TOLD ME TO GO TO accountable. Thanks for the comment. Subscribe if you like fishing videos.

[@ikizem]

@@swag-saltwateranglerguys7767 Do you have water/fuel separator installed??

[@swag-saltwateranglerguys7767]

Igor Kizem I have one installed

[@haps4me858]

Are your spark plugs indexed correctly? You are getting screwed by the outboard shop. Hope you got it sorted out.

[@dirtychina5964]

It absolutely sounds like they seen you coming and sure sounds like some more dirty fuel to me. Not being a macanic or even ever having $6100 to throw at somthing I would try polishing the fuel and cleaning the injectors .

[@johnelsonjr.6008]

You need to find a Mechanic that knows how to Repair your Evinrude. I have never Owned an Etec but...I have Owned Evinrude and Johnson Outboards , Different H.P. sizes and configurations and have Never had problems. Whatever you decide to go with as your Next brand of Outboard , Best of luck to you.

[@petertaylor3424]

Brp evinrude is not a good outboard like the old johnson was .

[@waynecarey8268]

as simple as it sounds check the install on your plugs ...the gap needs to face the injector port take the plugs out and mark the gap side with a marker and reinstall with the mark facing the injector port..I learned this the hard way my etec was doing the exact same thing

[@swag-saltwateranglerguys7767]

Wayne Carey I appreciate the tip

[@barthutchison4207]

Possible crankshaft seal or crankcase leak? It would still show compression in the combustion chamber. Spray some carb cleaner around the engine when it's running and listen for changes. Also spray bottle with water for possible electrical arcing

[@swag-saltwateranglerguys7767]

Bart Hutchison thanks for the tips Bart.

[@ebsell]

I can Evenrude outboards for 30 years up until 2007. Had great luck with them until the Etecs. Total garbage for commercial use. The trouble with these motors is you can’t take the ECU off one and just put on another motor the same. The ECU has to be sent to BRP to be programmed for that specific motor and serial number. If your going to a Yamaha Mercury or a Suzuki do yourself a favour and go Suzuki.

[@swag-saltwateranglerguys7767]

Wasup Fool No I went to source one Marine who is a e-tech dealer. the one they told me to take it to actually lol. Anyway they sent it to brp just like you said problem is I don’t think that was the problem 🤔.... it didn’t work obviously lol

[@barthutchison4207]

Friend had one under warranty and after the fifth time going back to the dealer replacing the ecu fixed it. Less than 50 hours total time. Him and the sea tow capt became friends after 5 tows. Lol. My main complaint is once it threw a code the motor would not run again, not even an emergency limp mode and for that reason I'll stick with Yamaha.

[@swag-saltwateranglerguys7767]

Bart Hutchison haha great story. Him and the sea tow captn became friend lmao that’s etec bro

[@drakeastro8131]

This kind of repair nightmare is what i dread the most.
I have been stung like u once but not as much and does give u many sleepless nights and know how u feel. Incompetent workers just replacing everything are not mechanics.
I can replace most things on my outboard except for the powerhead and a real mechanic will properly diagnose the issue before repairs and $$.
Only exception is when u have an intermittent fault and then u have to just try anything.

[@swag-saltwateranglerguys7767]

Yes they told me there was nothing they were going to do for me. Because my motor was out of warranty. They turned my claim down. Not to mention they never got back to me ever I had to call them multiple times over and over and over again just to get simple answers. I’m still very upset if you would like any follow-up videos about my motor I’m taking it out this weekend and will be more than happy to share how it starts up and idles.

[@cmelich79]

Hope you finally figured it out. If you still have this motor. The problem is the Reed Valve, 3 and 5. They get loose and can actually be ingested and bye bye engine! When loose it makes the engines think the cylinders are heating up.. I've been digging a lot on these engines. Some posted in 2019 with the same exact issue you have and after almost a year... He finally got to the bottom of it.. Good Luck!

[@bobczz3919]

They need to give your money back. If not take them to court.

[@erichildreth7562]

Wow sorry that you are dealing with this issue. It sounds like it is an injector issue or it may be something as simple as a fouled spark plug. My cousin bought an old bass boat that had a mercury 150 two stroke on it and it ran exactly like what yours is doing. We did a compression check on each cylinder and all but one had 150psi. One cylinder had 0psi and after we removed the cylinder head there was a hole in the piston. He looked online and he swapped the whole power head on that motor. It was fine after that. Please keep us posted as to what your issue is with your motor.

[@swag-saltwateranglerguys7767]

I haven’t done a follow-up video yet but basically it left me stranded. I’m hoping to resend this video to BRP and have them do something about it being it’s been so successful

[@nunyabizness6734]

So, you either got bad gas from a station, used gas with ethanol (hygroscopic), or you have a leak in your tank/fuel lines... did you ever bother to figure out which of those it is?

[@flemingmattox2128]

I own two etecs, essentially the same, but mine are 225s.
First, I am sorry for your problems. I had similar fuel issues on my low hour engines, esp the starboard engine. The guy I had bought the boat from had disabled the water/fuel alarm and I toasted my injectors on the engine. Took me 6 mo to get the injectors--$3k and then another $2k to put them in and get them set up. Replaced/upgraded the fuel pump too.
You can pull the injectors yourself, plenty of videos on how to do this and test them yourself. Make sure you MARK each injector as they are not interchangeable. If the injectors are bad, well, the cure is more money for new injectors.
As for your bad gas, I installed a clear goldenrod separator ahead of the first fuel separator system. The goldenrod is clear and has a quick release valve at the bottom. Saves you from having to unscrew the metal filter to check for contamination. Also remember, if you get the fuel alarm, both filters are filled with water and you need to get this cleaned out ASAP. The water in ur injectors is like acid. Eats those things up. Unscrew and dump your filter in the back of the boat, then pull off your engine cover and unscrew and dump this filter as well. remember to be careful with the filter under the cowling, it has the two wires that sense water. Do not bend or damage these. Once the water is cleared, immediately start your engine back up and let it run for 10-15 mins.
That's a nice boat, I would get comfortable with pulling the engine apart and putting it back together. People are getting less and less enthusiastic about working my engines, so it may behoove you to get in there and take things apart. You will learn a lot in the process! --and drop parts in the water.

[@bendasuleiman7679]

Evenrude very-very powerful maintenance low.fuel economy.easy repairing.10years is My enjin Brand evenrude no problem.. thanks evenrude

[@gregsmith8032]

I’ve been a johnrude Yamaha merc mech for 28 years an yes there has been issues with them like all others on market let’s get on the diagnostics

[@philliphimebaugh1488]

Thanks for showing us. I would have been absolutely furious !!! If they tried that with me and held my boat ransom I'd probably have done something I'd regret.. I feel for you bro..

[@swag-saltwateranglerguys7767]

Phillip Himebaugh thank you

[@chrisking7255]

I’m a marine mechanics, where I work we’re selling/maintaining outboards,also a Evinrude dealership. Those g2 and + are the easiest outboards to work on and diagnose. These are very high tech engines and reliable as fuck is maintained well!! You bought a used etec with 400h on it ..did the ex owner really took care @ the engine or did he abused it? Ran it carelessly while having an issue? How can you be 100% sure ? 400h ain’t much if maintained, but 400h with a dumb owner = 1500h+ lol .. when you bought the engine, was it still under warranty?

[@darrenalkire5281]

Anyone who says they have had good luck with e tecs is either lucky or they dont use it. A good friend of mine is a Evinrude tec and tells me they are nightmares and blow powerheads right and left and said forget about getting the integrated steering option they constantly fail. My own thoughts on e tec technology is if it was so great why don't they use it in cars or motorcycles, or airplanes? None use any form of Direct injected 2 stroke engine. Old 2 strokes were great when they were simple and it was okay to be smoky polluting and gas guzzeling. To make a inherently dirty and fuel inefficient 2 stroke for the modern outboard emissions control era they had to make a simple 2 stroke engine very complex it just wasn't meant to be. E tec fan boys say 4 stroke is too complicated too much to break. Thats bs almost every other engine in the world now is 4 stroke. How often do you have problems with the valve train on a modern car? The valve trains on 4 stroke engines are probably more durable than most automotive ones. I am a outboard tech and I never see valve train issues with suzuki or yamaha or honda. Never a broken timing belt or chain and when you do a valve adjustment they are rarely even .001 or more off. This is servicing 100s of outboards.

[@jfisk60903]

they charged you $6100.00 to FIX it. its not fixed, take it back and make them fix it at "their" expense. don't be a sucker man. take them to court if need be. it's all bull shit if it ain't fixed, sounds like they aren't qualified to work on an e-tec engine.

[@swag-saltwateranglerguys7767]

bama Fan source one marine in Hudson fl, smh there are my premier etec dealer

[@swag-saltwateranglerguys7767]

And I hate them lol

[@454RagingBullSS]

The best and hardest part about gambling is knowing when to get out, cut your losses and learn some lessons. Good luck with the new outboards.

[@swag-saltwateranglerguys7767]

454RagingBullSS The hardest part about gambling is paying the Bookie on Tuesday

[@454RagingBullSS]

@@swag-saltwateranglerguys7767 At least they will give you a known flat rate before you place your bet, if you go for a double or nothing and loose that's on you.

[@swag-saltwateranglerguys7767]

454RagingBullSS Yes with an opportunity to actually win something I would sign up for that

[@callitasuseeit.6564]

What’s the latest. My Etec 225ho has been great and I run it hard in saltwater. Should of called BRP direct.

[@jamesb.hallmd9899]

Injector!! Did you get it fixed or sold it?

[@swag-saltwateranglerguys7767]

selling it

[@mikeelder9263]

I have been in boat dealerships that had snotty attitudes. They only provided quality service only if you were there to drop a lot of money, otherwise they wanted you to get off their lot.

[@Artoconnell]

Y's lower unit to beat up? what year is the engine? if the lower unit is that beat up..the rest of it is no better.

[@swag-saltwateranglerguys7767]

2006 I had a skeg guard on there that rubbed the paint off over time.

[@stephanschouten8497]

Well, it's sad you have some bad luck with your engine. But...one question remains now...after more than 1 year...did you get it fixed, or did you spend another 12K on it?

[@swag-saltwateranglerguys7767]

New mercury pro xs 250

[@stephanschouten8497]

@@swag-saltwateranglerguys7767 So now you have warranty :-) Enjoy the engine bro! :-)

[@swag-saltwateranglerguys7767]

Stephan Schouten thanks man

[@DARKHAWK0092]

skipped through the video, did they every say anything about the case half? the anaerobic seal.

[@swag-saltwateranglerguys7767]

DARKHAWK0092 The next thing they wanted to do was go inside the powerhead and check the sleeves of the cylinder heads they think one of them might’ve been rotated. Sounded like another six grand to me so I said no

[@DARKHAWK0092]

@@swag-saltwateranglerguys7767 I'm sure uve heard it in the comments already but next time you take it to a shop. At least come to an agreement that you wont pay full until you test it. You could have easily gota new motor my now.

[@sailboatbob3969]

since it wasn't under warranty Before taking it to someone, did you try the simple things? Did you change the plugs? do you have the right plugs in it? how about the wires did you replace them?
Have you tried a another gas can? get a gallon but Sea Foam in there and follow those directions
if it sat before you got it. they might have used car gas and the lines or carbs have a tiny blockage. it doesn't take much at all.

[@SimpleGreen2017]

I agree with your logic here. Remember to index the plugs correctly. Open end of the electrode should face injectors. It's common to need up to 12 spark plugs to put new plugs in a V6 etec

[@puzer1]

@@SimpleGreen2017 ...he's been to 2 certified Evinrude dealers...how many times do you think those spark plugs have been checked...

[@SimpleGreen2017]

@@puzer1 certified dealer does not necessarily mean quality service. Just saying. It's easy enough to check if it has bebecause usually the technician that installs the plugs will mark the plugs with sharpie to indicate the direction the electrode will face.

[@ammoalamo6485]

I can't get a trusted mech for any small motor item where I live here in North Texas. I take things in, describe the problem, tell them what I want and don't want done, then when I go to pick it up they have invariably replaced parts that did not need replacing, that I specifically told the service writer not to replace... and they charge me for replacing a complete assembly, only to discover they kept half the assembly and only replaced some parts of it, though I paid for the whole shebang the decided to save their time and parts whilst charging me full price. I think the only way around this is to get a part time job as a service writer so as to learn all the tricks they use to NOT fix the problem while still spending loads of YOUR MONEY on stuff that will not correct the original complaint. Service writers who get paid on commission of the total bill are guaranteed to NOT FIX the problem, because the continuation of parts and labor expense is what keeps them in commission checks. Until customers understand where their money is going, until they get a firm written and enforceable contract for work to be done and have that contract signed and in hand before any work starts, we all can expect to be overcharged and under satisfied time and again. It is a scam, one of the worst, and it permeates every mechanic system that uses service writers to generate sales of time and parts. If they don't just want to replace modules say NO WAY unless they are willing to RENT a new module for a day to see if that corrects the problem, otherwise the customer replaces part after part after part and no one ever can say when it will end.

[@strata114]

With all that junk in the garage there is no way that you can truthfully say that your boat motor and trailer also lives comfortably in there.

[@swag-saltwateranglerguys7767]

Lido Buddy that garage can fit two full-size firetrucks in there.

[@STEVIE1959]

I know it's an old thread but heres the first thing to try, unhook gas from main tank and connect to six gallon portable tank with fresh non ethanol gas , make sure you know if the oil injector is still used , run on portable tank if problem continues its not your fuel tank or gas, move to injectors as you have already had the electrical parts replaced good luck , I know it sucks...….stevie

[@swag-saltwateranglerguys7767]

Stevie Donaldson we tried that already good tip though. Thanks for the advise.

[@seadog2396]

P.S. The next time you have a serious engine issue, Always call the Factory Directly. Make nice, use manners, tell your story, and ask the Factory contact where there is a Factory-trained tech near you.
Man, these dealers just took you for a ride.

[@Randall_Marsh]

I am having a very similar problem with a Yamaha F150. Running rough, wont rev a as high as it used too. Low hrs ( around 140). Perfect compression, passes leak down. First mechanic did complete service - no fix -. Said it was a temp sensor - no fix. Did the ECU, $1200 - no fix. Said it was the TPS was out of spec and needed adjustments. The mechanic adjusted then took it to the lake for a test run. He said he got it to 5100 rpm but that the prop was wrong and the motor is under sized .... blah, blah, blah.
I took it straight to the lake, engine wouldn’t get over 4200 rpm.
The boat used to do 43mph at 5400rpm with the same prop. It’s at the second mechanic now.
I see the comments about people saying how it’s your fault for letting a company rip you off, that’s BS!! How is it the boat owners vault for depending on a boat mechanic to fix there boat. Not everyone is an expert on outboards.
He’ll most BOAT mechanics don’t know what to do if there is no code given when they run diagnostics.
Seeing what you’ve been through worries me about my situation, did you ever get to the bottom of your problem?

[@RLC2020]

Bring it to me. I'm no mechanic, but i could use $6000 right now...

[@fullmarineservices5420]

I have a Suzuki 200 the warranty is great customer service is great and very fuel efficient Suzuki definitely a good motor

[@swag-saltwateranglerguys7767]

Full Marine Services that’s what I want to get

[@melrose9252]

Full Marine Services Inhave has the same service with my Merc.

[@vmonroig21]

The Casting Channel you said you spent 12k trying to fix it you can get a 250hp suzuki for 15k 16k I paid 10k for a 175hp Suzuki from dusky marine
Or try outboard specialties in Pompano

[@swag-saltwateranglerguys7767]

vanessa M I will look into both those places thanks for the advice.

[@vmonroig21]

@@swag-saltwateranglerguys7767 and you should take fuel lines off at primer bulb and check your fuel for water you could have a hole in your tank.i also was chasing down problems because of a hole in the gas tank for year and a half I found out after I repowered and broke down first day because of water in the gas .thats after boat center of ft Lauderdale said they pressure tested the tank which they didn't .

[@fredthompson2501]

Are your plugs indexed correct and fuel pressure in correct range and injectors pulse way may be out of time do you have water filter on fuel line

[@swag-saltwateranglerguys7767]

Fred Thompson yes I have a water fuel separator on the fuel line

[@fredthompson2501]

One thing do you get a knock sensor reading

[@hookednrolling2009]

It's not the motor it the tech working on motor I love my 300 etec mine not under warranty either I do my own work. Well my brother does it with me I have evinrude computer program to run my own diagnostics start from basic check spark no spark go from there if spark is good then check fuel ,compression first so on and so forth if I can't fix it then I take to markey marine in Key largo to dave good luck did you fix it yet JT

[@brianbethune862]

Go to this website,etecownersgroup.com ,The people there are very knowledgeable,helpful and kind.I believe they also have BRP's ear.If anybody on this planet can help you they can.If they can't help you .you might as well buy a new motor and start over.

[@dancheesman1752]

I bought a brand new 2007 Etec. It always had an over heating problem. Out of warranty I replaced the whole port side of engine head. The mechanic said it had a white scaling inside port head. Said he never saw that before. It seemed to have corrected the problem. I think this had been my problem since new. Much more to my story with the trouble shooting and would be more than happy to share my info with you if you want to discuss. If I have any problems this year I’m selling and putting on a Yamaha

[@joemills3018]

You couldn’t remember when you picked up from mechanics. Didn’t you do a test run before picking up?

[@swag-saltwateranglerguys7767]

They wanted to pursue other problems that they thought it was. I had already spent a bunch of money and didn’t want to spend anymore on that motor.

[@hankschrader149]

Wow, just wow! Those service shops should be bending over backwards for you, not to mention BRP! What a joke, that sucks having to put all that money in and to gain NOTHING from it. I will never buy an Etec they were all the rage when they were first introduced but not impressed esp after seeing your video. Thanks for posting drop the hammer on these shops and BRP

[@swag-saltwateranglerguys7767]

Hank Schrader just warning people bro. Thanks for listening

[@405fishing5]

Everyone dissing evinrude in the comments when I’ve had all the other ones except Suzuki and let me tell you they don’t even come close to my 2019 evinrude it is much faster, and more aggressive than any other motor I mean there are videos where evinrude motors are over powering every other motor.

[@swag-saltwateranglerguys7767]

Bass Fishing from Jon boat Buddy this video is about how reliable it is there’s no doubt it has the most torque the least amount of weight. But come on bro a 19 is of course going to be reliable. We are in 2019.

[@melrose9252]

Bass Fishing from Jon boat It’s not if the Evinrude ETEC breaks down but when. Evinrude’s sales are so flat because they can’t compete with the new lighter and faster 4 strokes from Mercury, Yamaha and Suzuki. They are horribly unreliable engines.

[@darrenalkire5281]

Power doesnt matter when it does not run

[@na-et2gp]

It'll be interesting to see if evinrude continues to service and provide parts for etecs in the future or if evinrude owners will be left out to hang again like with the ficht line. I always considered the etecs interesting but I've seen too many broken down and a few catch on fire over the years. Hope you got a few bucks for it and ended up with a more reliable outboard before they fired everyone and announced they're getting out of the outboard business

[@gatewaymofreight]

I would for sure check fuel delivery and check the reed valves on that engine

[@chrisbinder2580]

Every engine in the world can have something break, in your case it sounds like there has been 1 problem the entire time but you have had a bunch of incompetent mechanics that are part changers wasting your time and money.
I do not believe Evinrude makes a bad engine at all.. I do however think that it is possible they are not providing the proper training for their dealers.

[@melrose9252]

Chris Binder The Evinrude’s are too complex and costly to repair. 2Strokes just don’t like to be environmental friendly.

[@panamafishingbass]

@@melrose9252 lol Evinrude complex and not environmental friendly

[@shannonjurgens3667]

Hold on here. You are upset at Evinrude due the incompetency of the dealers? I’m really confused.

[@bradford216]

I see they put a couple injectors in from what I could see of the report, but have the reeds been replaced or inspected at least? I have seen cracked and broken reeds on this vintage of etec 200-250 which cause rough idle and missing.

[@swag-saltwateranglerguys7767]

Gary B I’m not sure buddy I’m not a technician but I do have all the printouts. I have them scanned I got to figure out how to link them to this video I’m kind of new at this UA-cam stuff.

[@sailboatbob3969]

MIGHT HAVE FOUND THE "PROBLEM" it seems from what I was told it's not really an uncommon problem....A 2 cycle doesn't use any values.....BUT there is a reed value system in place. From what I was told. If you do NOT use the recommend oil...it can cause it to carbon over...and hence cause it to run rough at idea....The suggestion was, find and clean the reed, and use whatever oil Evinrude says works best and might fix the problem. hope this help...I'm really surprised Evinrude couldn't tell you this....they have to know this is a possible problem.

[@swag-saltwateranglerguys7767]

They were no help thank you for the tip.

[@troybachhofer1001]

No big deal.. it's just a timing problem. Sounds like it's off by one tooth..

[@gatewaymofreight]

that's sounds like a fuel delivery problem, had a merc do that

[@FloridafishingwithRick]

Did they ever mess with the fuel pump?

[@swag-saltwateranglerguys7767]

Rick Warn Yes I replace the fuel pump. Wasn’t the problem

[@FloridafishingwithRick]

@@swag-saltwateranglerguys7767 that's crazy they let it leave the shop running like that.

[@buellakas]

Hi. Whats the point paying that? Maybe just get rid of it and get new one.

[@swag-saltwateranglerguys7767]

GJD'vids I just did

[@fishmandad588]

Hey felt the same way,so do what I did get rid of it slim

[@NorthlanderMN]

Did you get it fixed. I think timing is off. Get 1-2 gallons of gas and a can of Seafoam. It might help. I store my boats outside with a cover for much of the year in Minnesota.

[@swag-saltwateranglerguys7767]

Middle of North America I did not I am purchasing a new motor next month. I’m thinking the mercury 250 pro xs selling the old eTech for 1000 to a boat mechanic my mom knows lol. He offered to look at it to fix it and I told him no way bro don’t even look at that butter unless you want to buy it. 😂

[@DV-nh5bt]

Check spark if they are in right positions

[@JB-bb1zw]

Thank for posting this dude, im seeing alot of complaints on etecs, im looking at a boat now that has twin 2012 etecs w/ 600hrs, my offer will be hull value minus the repower labor fee to go to zuki's, yammy's or merc's., cause as far as im concerned the etecs have zero resale value and im gonna have to pay to pull them off. So thats coming off the hull value,,, if he doesnt take my offer so be it, ill just look for another boat,, i dont want etecs

[@ralphyvazquez1471]

You should have evenrude co. Check the Reid valve. May that's the problem

[@swag-saltwateranglerguys7767]

I Filed a claim with them and they didn't do anything at all. I Just wanted them to hold source one marine to make sure the boat was fixed. They did not help at all.

[@seadog2396]

With all due Respect, you don't sound like an experienced boat owner to me.
#1. NEVER pay for repairs until you have tested the boat at the repair facility.
#2. ALWAYS get a lawyer if they can't fix it 100%.
*See my story elsewhere here....
*You make a decent video, but you've got a Lot to learn about boat dealers.
P.S. The majority of mechanics at boat dealers are, in reality, auto mechanics who were looking for work and just happened upon the boat job.
You must Verify that anyone touching your engine has been through a Factory training program.
I'm not blowing air here - I've been on the water for 65 years. Fact.

[@wassawbound2926]

How did this end up? What year is the boat? Are you sure your tank is good? Have you tried running the engine off a portable tank?

[@TheBabyOstritchesCold]

Sounds like you did everything besides clean the moisture from the tank lol? Also if you did do that maybe your ran the fuel to rich? Causing the spark plugs to foul? Anything around fuel or what makes cylinders fire lol

[@glensims7959]

If you think those same "techs" can keep a Yamaha or a Suzuki running...... you've bumped your head. You're running on 3 cylinders bro.

[@swag-saltwateranglerguys7767]

Totally agree using a brand new shop just got a mercury 250 XL I was totally running on three cylinders

[@gregsmith8032]

Take off the intake cover start it put your hand briefly over intake throttles one at a time they all should have the same hard suction if not three possible problems broken crank sealing rings,crankcase mating surface leaking , rotated sleeves (last one is a big highly unlikely ) if those are bore scoped an checked ok with smoke machine next would be check coils ohm out an spark output run at night look for arcing if ok check injector plug to computer wire with ohm meter with a copper wire for continuity if ok with wiggle check on wire side for broken pin next go check flywheel pickup see if it has starter gear metal on it if so remove an clean off with SS brush if rusted check output with ohm meter set to 20vt ac see if it puts out voltages next check fuel rail screens in injectors for blockages also check fuel pump pressure an if it holds pressure after cycling pump , check inj for leaking into cyl bore scope if ok check fuel pump power supply from power dis panel relays etc also power out put from stator checkpoints this all can be done in any order but all of this is probably re hash from postings but to tell you I took a 3.3 ltr 2010 turned it into a oceanpro carbs heads electronics flywheel heads had to be mod for dome pistons but after that it was a monster had to re prop up three pitch sizes more power better fuel at Cruising sold all efi and no problems old school simpler fix just missing the clean idle it’s a lill choppy but instant beastie when throttled

[@swag-saltwateranglerguys7767]

Greg Smith I wish I were confident enough to pull this off

[@kingo389]

So he had bad fuel, misfire on cylinders and did anyone look at the injectors? Sounds like some bad diags not the motor. quick fix, move around the plugs, wires, coils even the injectors and see if the misfire moves. Bam 1200 grand please.

[@swag-saltwateranglerguys7767]

Gavin Clark checks in the mail lol

[@hookednrolling2009]

Read the leds on the emm get a evinrude shop manual or find some body that can scan computer I do all my own work on my motor if I can't then I take to David at markey marine in KeyLargo Fla love my 300 etec couldn't give me a four stroke only one I would even consider is a zuki best warranty than etec 6 yrs top to bottom trying to get my kid to dump that merc and get zuki 200 hp JT do you still have your etec ?

[@swag-saltwateranglerguys7767]

Hooked-n-Rolling Offshore 2009 yes I still have it.

[@hookednrolling2009]

The Casting Channel philip turn Key on not starting have seen your leds on emm light 1 3 4 should come light 1 is top light with water on yours is a 07 mine is 08 with new power head full dress by Evinrude in 2010 anyway crank engine until running 2 seconds all lights should be on then turn off in sequence 1 2 3 and last 4 your motor and my motor are same Evinrude shop manual so above and let me know if any lights r on or blinking while Key on or runningthanks I'll sub that way I'll be notified when you comment or email at [e-mail] I'll see if I can help you out I'll run it by my brother what the lights r doing thanks John

[@swag-saltwateranglerguys7767]

Hooked-n-Rolling Offshore 2009 I will email the receipt on Monday there on my work pc.

[@hookednrolling2009]

The Casting Channel thank black out your personal info my brother is meticulous when he works on something he will read your report and think about it if you could tomorrow just turn Key on and see if lights 134 come on or blinking that is first step and let me know in e mail thanks do compression check on 3 and 5 cylinder run on water and check lights while running thanks need these answers first JT

[@gbass7328]

Coil packs, fuel injectors or fuel pump? What ever happened to that motor?

[@gerardhaubert8210]

Have you inspected, cleaned or replaced your injectors?

[@swag-saltwateranglerguys7767]

yes all three

[@tomrizzo1554]

I'm still interested in knowing what was the end result was . And I do feel for you

[@swag-saltwateranglerguys7767]

Tom rizzo as of right now it left me stranded when I used it and my buddy towed me in

[@swag-saltwateranglerguys7767]

I will update you guys if Brp does anything

[@tomrizzo1554]

Thanks