How to Throw MID RANGE - Disc Golf
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- Опубліковано 19 сер 2021
- In my opinion, the most under-appreciated mold in disc golf is the mid range. Usually, disc golfers either LOVE mid ranges and bag 5 of them, or don't throw any at all. Well, in this video, I'm going to show you the nuances of how to throw mid range - disc golf, and WHY it is one of the best, most consistent shots in your bag.
(And it goes pretty far as well 😉)
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Been struggling with my release for a long time. Finished work, watched this over dinner then went straight out and put your advice into action with my mako3 and buzzz and dude, the difference is amazing. Thanks Ben, each one of your videos I've watched have made a noticeable difference to the efficency of my practice and the quality of my throws.
Once again thanks a million, you have a great way of making things make sense in a way that the other experienced players on the course haven't been able to get me to understand. Looking forward to more videos!
Thanks so much for your comment, I really appreciate you taking the time to say that, it gives me inspiration to keep pushing on! Thanks so much for the support!
Man, you always come with a fresh perspective and different way of looking at things that always makes a lightbulb go off in my head. Thanks bruh.
Ben! That idea of "spinning the back of the disc towards the target" is genius!
Thanks so much Greg, i hope it helps with not only mids but with other shots as well!
Been playing for 5 weeks...Started out hating my Mid-ranges and putters...After gaining more throw speed, I can't control my (four) Destroyers, So I re-tried my Mids and Putters and now LOVE them!
That's awesome dude!! I feel like the natural journey is to come to love mid-ranges later in your game development
This channel needs to be MUCH bigger. Terrific tips and even better explanations!
I think you're generally right, but I'll critique your physics.
MR and DVR discs get their spin during the same duration of the release. Since the MR's rim is smaller, the distance from your pinchpoint to the center of mass is greater, resulting in a greater distance it needs to rotate around the pinchpoint in the same time as the drv. Because the MR needs to rotate further, in the same time, the disc needs to be rotating faster, causing more spin once you release.
Its not the radius from the pinchpoint to the edge of the disc that matters as much as the pinchpoint to the center of mass.
Total agree with your tether ball analogy explanation. Saved me from writing the exact comment.
A better analogy would be to compare holding a tennis racket at the end of its handle (MR) or middle of handle (driver)
Having a smaller rim would allow you to get more outside edge speed, and therefore spin, for the "same" amount of wrist moment.
If you have a weak wrist the driver might actually be "easier" to get rotating due to having a shorter center of mass to rotate
yeah i can't take a video like this at all seriously with such mistaken physics even if there is probably some truth underneath the concept
This is what I was looking for.
It's also important to note the difference is much more trivial between a midrange or a driver compared to what the weight of the disc is. If you want to throw farther, put more spin on the disc, and pull through faster....get a lighter disc, because there are scenarios that you'll want to use a fairway or driver instead of a midrange, and vice versa.
Ur Wrong. Mommas right
This is the dankest video I’ve ever watched. Thinking about spinning the back of the disc around in front of the pinch point just changed my game. Literally went out and instantly started threading gaps at different angles using this guide.
Thanks so much Cameron, I’m really glad it helped you out!!
Best spin vid I’ve seen. Got a sub out of it. Well done.
Innova sign this guy!
Great vid Ben. I love mids
I MEAN COME ON ALREADY RIGHT?!? Hahaha, thanks so much for watching!!
Great tutorial here. Thanks for taking the time to share your knowledge.
The “but” comment/picture had me dying!
Finland mentioned, thanks Ben. This is so good channel!
Sick video! Throwing the back end of the disc at the target is an interesting concept. I feel like that's why I tend to "griplock" because I am thinking about the front end to the target. I will have to try this on my next round. Midranges are my favorite discs in my bag beside my sidewinder. Gator3, Buzzz, Buzzz SS, Meteor are my go-tos!
Wow, I feel like I'm crushing Jawbreaker zone, Mako3 and Buzzz's now. Very straight and through gaps. I never gave mids a chance.
Love your videos. Keep studying the game!
Thanks so much Mark, I'm so glad to hear you're striping some mids!
I currently throw my mids 250-280. My drivers don’t go much farther. Have played a local course 5 speed or less and only added 3 strokes to my normal score. Love the m4 and m3 from prodigy. I’ve only been playing for a year and extremely happy to have found your channel. Great work!
M3 and M4 are money! Might I suggest the Buzzz SS, Lion, and Gator3 as great mids as well!
I started with a shark, and quicky expanded to using big z buzz, big z meteor, and for laser straight shots, I use a fuse. So far, they have been great tools for fade, turn, and straight shots, plus the discraft mids are easy to throw forehand. I still have a lot of experience to gain, but I play every day, so I have learned a lot so far. Quite a challenging and addictive sport that gives you loud and concise feedback with every result.
This makes perfect sense. Now, trying to apply this to my discs
I found this video to be very helpful. Explanations were excellent. I'm hoping a how to throw drivers video is coming soon!
Thanks so much for saying that!!
Great info + entertaining = Top notch
I hope you're training hard in the off season and all is well with you. I needed a humor fix from ya. Great video. the tip of the whip is now in mine and my 10 year old prodigy sons vocabulary.😁💪👊
Great video. Can’t wait to get out and give your advice a try. I just subscribed
Mids and upshots are the best part of my game actually. I rely on mids or putters 85% of my game. More control, more accurate. Great breakdown!
Truly a tough part of the game to practice thats so essential! Thanks for watching!
Love this one❤
So much good info!
Some of us in the UK too! Nb. tetherball isn't really a thing here, but Napoleon Dynamite is my reference point for that. We do have swingball though. Otherwise, great explanations.
Omg how did I miss the Napolean Dynamite reference opportunity?!? But thanks so much, and shoutout to the UK!!
"Hey Deb wanna play disc golf?"
Great video Ben!
THANKS
Another good one buddy!!
Thanks big dawg 😤
I will try it!
Relearning my disc after playing for 2 years and plateauing at 200' for all my disc. Putters are golden now mids are my things and focus on mids awhile folks.
I have to agree, nothing more satisfying than hitting a stable Mid-Range exactly the way you want it, see it glide forever and have it spin out on the ground.
I started throwing two months ago and the Mako3 became my absolute go to disc (been playing one-disc-rounds with it and I have not lost any strokes)
Seeing a disc spin out on the ground is so satisfying
good tips but funny physics claims
Yeah I love the clear confident explanations but annoying when there a mistakes in the theory.
The overall principles are ok.
Just aced a 280’ hole today with a skull boy hex (very similar to a buzz), very strait predictable flight with a touch of fade. Love that disc
Hex is sweet... Feels better in hand too. And neutron is gold. Love it.
Nice ACE!! 😁
Hahaa the tether ball analogy actually made sense!
I love throwing midranges! So much more control, and on days when I’m not feeling it with my drivers I like to lean on my midranges. My favorites to throw right now are the Wasp, Buzzz (in crystal sparkle since I just can’t get myself to trust the ESP yet), and the Discmania Origin. I find that even though the Origin and Buzzz have similar flight ratings that their flights are different with the Origin being more under-stable. I feel like these 3 discs cover 99% of my midrange shots for my game from 250’ and in. I really enjoyed your video!
Try the axiom hex. It's a great Midrange
@@justindg21 I’ll have to see if I can pick one up when I can find one locally again. I almost picked one up this summer based off of how well it fit in my hand, but couldn’t quite pull the trigger at the time. Thanks for the recommendation!
Real good stuff dude
Thanks so much for watching Conor!
Great video.
New sub bro, nice video!
Laughed out loud at the "cold hard fax" 🤣
Wow! This video was actually a real eye-opener 😳 great explanation and no, swedes don't gave teather ball hahah
Have a great day man !
I'm new and only 3 weeks in. I'm not fast enough to throw anything higher than a 7. My main plays are a fairway driver, to a mid, then I worry about my approaching. This makes the most sense and has been what has allowed me to par more often than not. Mids are the most versatile discs, specifically due to their low speed and ability to hold angles during those slow speeds. I can't imagine how mundane and limited a game would be not having the ability to shape my shots on a wooded course.
I got 2 makos 2 roc3’s, method and a buzz, just love the midranges
That sounds like an allstar lineup to me!
Spinning the back side of the disc works! I'm throwing putter cleaner, more accurate and lower to 100ft. Makes putting easier.
First time watching 😎
Wobble town New Zealand, love my mid ranges especially the Buzzz and the NZ made RPM Kotuku, both the only two discs I've thrown aces with
New Zealand represent!!! I’ve never tried any RPM discs, I’m down to give them a toss!
I just came back from a field session where I tried this. WHAT!?!? Not only are my Roc3s more comfortable with a pinch/modified fan grip, but I gained distance and accuracy. Felt weird but that’ll just take some getting use to. Crazy!
Did you get that disc in Mt. Airy at the Nati store? I live in florida now but I used to play Mt. Airy all the time. Great course
Hey Ben! Doesn’t this vid belong on your second channel, Ben’s Average Mid??? Bu-dum-tss!!
Sorry that was rough 😬🙈😂!!
Great vid as always!!!
Ben’s Average Mid just doesn’t have the same ring to it 😂😂
That channel just doesn’t go as far, but it’s more accurate.
Mids are a great way to practice and develop. I bag 60% Mids and Fairway myself.
Thx dude!!
Of course Jax, thanks for watching!!
Thx, from Wobbletown, TX!
I would get a t-shirt that has that on it
I see you rocking The Nati!!
The one and only baby!
That's crazy I just started putting midrange s in my bag I always buy them and never use them and I kinda wanted to get back to basics recently and I started use ing all my midranges now I fricking love them my favorite disc lately has been the buzz the rock the hex and the pathfinder I use them so much more now and I gotten so much better in the woods it's not even funny I was playing like +5 to+10 at home woods courses now I've been playing even 0 to -5thats a huge difference all from using all the midranges I already has crazy right!!!!¡!!!!!!!!!!!
The Buzzz is phenomenal.
That's an awesome story Taylor, that is a monumental difference!! I hope this vid helps shave off even more strokes!
On the index finger, does the rim seat into the crease of the first knuckle/joint? This is most natural for me. If I deep seat the disc in my hand the pinch point is more the fleshy area between 1st and second knuckles. I throw decently either way. Is there a more correct way. The pivot seems more pronounced in the crease of the knuckle but sometimes wonder if that interferes some with ejection. Thoughts?
The way that I do it, is the pad of my pointer finger and the joint right behind it make almost a 90 degree angle, so that the real point that I'm pinching is the bottom most point of the rim of the disc. This helps me get all of the real "squeeze" onto the nose or the rim of the disc, and then the fingers that fold in behind it really just support the flight plate to help with angle control. I would think that having it deep in your hand looses some of the snap, as if you're sliding the disc further down the tip of the whip in that analogy, but it's really up to you and whatever works best for you, go with it!
Yes it does
Fairway drivers for life, best balance for distance and control.
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This affirms my love for the 3 MD3s in my bag
Currently bagging 4 MD3s 👌👍
@@harrisc2093 a man of culture
High roller I see
@@BensBigDrive I snagged a bunch of them before the announcement about leaving innova bc its my favorite mid and I had a feeling. Cant wait to see how the new ones compare.
@@BensBigDrive if only money translated to skill....
I carry quite a few mid ranges, but because I play shorter park courses and my max range is 300, I find myself using mostly drivers (Mamba) and putters. I do love breaking out my Mako 3 or Buzz.
Try playing some mid-only rounds, I bet you'll come to like what you see!
If the courses are shorter it would seem counter intuitive to use drivers… at least I hope you mean fairway drivers.
Cool
Two drivers usually: Valkyrie and Eagle. Three mids: Mako3, Rat, Roc.
Now THAT is a bag I can get behind
@@BensBigDrive Thank you! A lot of trial and error. I know I don’t consistently throw past 400ft, and the course that I play doesn’t require it, so I’m fine with a simple bag.
Still trying to figure out midranges, my putter is my go to haha
Sounds like there might be some benefit to drawing an arrow on half of a disc pointing out to use first to point the shot, but also to have a visual reference in your hand once it is coiled up.
I drew a hammer on one of my wife's Leopards and told her to grab the handle and throw out the head of the hammer. Definitely helped her visualize what I had been trying to explain.
How do you grip your midrange? Are you using a power grip, fan grip, or a hybrid?
I use a power grip for almost every backhand outside of 100 feet. I don't necessarily recommend that, but it's just a skill I haven't developed yet to throw new grips.
Grip should always be first thing and wish more Pros and commentators would cover it.
Nice music 🎵
Dear Ben,
Please stop spying on me. How did you know I carry four destroyers?
It goes without saying that anyone with "strength" in their youtube name has at least 4 destroyers in their bag
@@BensBigDrive if you’re not overshooting the basket by 100+ feet are you even trying?
@@SmartStrength not in my book
Throw your putters and midranges like an ultimate disc. Throw your drivers like drivers.
Here we have some good editing xD
I can throw around 350 feet on flat ground with my drivers and about 320 with my mids...I rarely find I need a driver
i can throw my Mako3 330ft - 350ft i feel i should be able to get more i think im throwing slightly nose up.. but still 350ft with a Mako3 or my Jay is a crush.. i can even get my Pig to 315ft-330ft
also thumbs should always be behind the flight plate not on the edge or hanging off the edge as you lose control of angle much easier and thumb can fully slip off during release also skewing disc.
I really pissed off my buddies last week when I got the low score throwing only two discs: a Buzzz and an Aviar.
I agree with most of your stuff, but I respectfully disagree with the midrange pinch point. Most midranges are a slightly bigger circumference than drivers (why they can max weigh 180 g). You need more spin on them than drivers. Throw midranges better you will throw drivers better. Look at ultimate players playing disc golf. They get crazy spin on their dinner plates of disc
I can throw my uplink at least 350. 400. I feel as if I throw it just as far as my new cloud breaker. Wraith. The farthest shot I throw is with my shryke. That's my 500 plus disc. But be able to throw a midrange that far is solid.
Ben, I did not really track the first 2/3 of this video. I am not sure the rather all analogy worked. You realize that you made a video about throwing disc but only threw one disk at the end? Supporting the whole disk made sense.
That idea of "spinning the back of the disc towards the target" is really helpful. All the physics stuff and midranges-get-more-spin-theory is not...
Innova probably need a UA-camr like Ben. Their pros don’t really contribute anything like this, unlike other companies, like Discraft with Brodie, Uli, Paige and Paul, Discmania with Simon and Eagle, and Trilogy with all their content from DD and Latitude64. And obviously Prodigy have Thomas, who sneaks into every other video.
Can I send this comment to innova? Hahaha jk, but thanks so much, I really agree, Kona Panis does a great job with social media but innova is seriously lacking in the youtube front!
You should do lessons. I would happily pay for you to help me with my form.
Thanks so much Jeff, I appreciate that! When the offseason comes and I get some time, I'll think about it!!
Denmark… i live in wobletown… sadly😫😫😫
I'll forward this to Nate Sexton.
If this were real, this would be the best thing ever
@@BensBigDrive I wish I had that kind of pull, haha, but he's the one pro who doesn't use midranges.
i call orbital mechanics to the rescue :D
most top pros have ~6 distance drivers in the bag
we have it in Finland Suomi perkele
why wouldn't the measurement be to the center of the disc (center of mass)? the center of the disc is whipping around, so it's not twice as far, it's only a little. There's probably more in throwing technique that has an effect on spin.
This is a good question and one that I thought about, and the reason I put it this way is because practically, when you put spin on the disc, you're spinning it around the rim of the disc at the pinching point you've made with your fingers. After it leaves your hand it'll stabilizes and spins around the middle, but when instructing, I focused on the rim of the disc because that's the part your hand has control over. Thanks for your insight!!
Wobbletown Finland confirmed.
Did I see a "The Nati" stamp on one of your discs in this vid?
The one and only!
@@BensBigDrive thanks for the reply! Love those guys and that shop. It was my home away from home when I first started playing in 2012.
@@s_p_harris of course Sam!! And I have a great love for the Nati, I played my first “big” tournament up there when I was 16 and I remember that being the first time I really got the sense for how big and awesome the disc golf scene actually is!
Didn't have to do my boy Logan like that.
He did it to himself, BBD arch nemisis
You forgot about putter gang. I bag more putters and fairways than anything
The few, the proud, the brave
@@BensBigDrive hahahaha t
Wobble town
Tasmania
You didn't cover how much power should be put in a midrange throw
I don’t power grip mid ranges lol
Careful there bud, we can clearly see your phone # on the bottom on your driver @3:07 and pretty much the rest of the entire video lol.
Call for a good time
@@BensBigDrive lol word dude
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Let's go, wobbletown down under!
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Eyyy boys, come over here. I've found a memer.
I couldn't hide it forever
How does this theory affect people that use a fangrip on midranges instead of a powergrip?
I only throw mids and putters with a fan grip. I just recently added a couple fairway drivers to force power grip. I see some field work in my future. Trying the grip feels awkward.
I think the power grip only works well with drivers. Obviously hands are all different. But if I try to power grip a putter or mid, I get either a solid pinch/fan grip or an unstable power grip where the disc flops around if I move my hand up and down.
Yeah... I'm really struggling to make sense of the physics of the pinch he's talking about
@@balance_dg He sounds WAY smarter than me so he's Gotta be right. 😁
@@balance_dg
I started playing in the 1990s. So there were no wide-rimmed drivers. When I would go to grip a, say, Innova Cobra (a mid before any discs were called mids), I could "power grip" easily with my index finger. But my ring and middle fingers, being longer, had to be unnaturally forced into the rim position. So just because it felt solid, I used a pinch grip (some people call it fan, but to me that's with fingers close to fully extended) with those fingers. A pinch grip to me is where fingers are nestled on the underside of the flight plate as close to the rim as they can be short of forcing an unnatural power grip and losing control, by causing a wobbly hold.
Compare to any 10 speed or above where it's not only easy but a good idea to power grip with every finger (unless you have huge hands). Scott Stokely pinch grips drivers. He's like 6'7" or something. BTW, I only started throwing these wide-rimmed drivers two years ago because I quit DG for a long time thanks to tendonitis from shooting basketballs. So I had to figure this out recently.
I think he's saying a power grip with the index finger is a pinch point of control, or "the tip of the whip" allowing you to get more spin. IOW, literal pinch, not the grip. Which is true, but like so many terms and concepts in disc golf can lead to confusion because the pinch grip is a thing some teachers say. While to others the exact same grip is a fan. Hope that didn't make the confusion worse.😆
Why not show the disc being thrown ?!?!
really just boils down to that would be a such a technical shot that my camera's abilities/filming by yourself that it would've prolly been impossible. But thanks for watching!!
There's a Wobble World in India.
3 high high speed, 6 fairways, rest are mids and putters
That sounds like a bag built for scoring
Your 'physics' seems messed up.
Can you show the equations that back up your claim that it's twice as hard to generate spin on a 20mm rim vs a 10mm rim?
What you're saying is that it takes twice the effort to spin a driver compared to something smaller. From my experience I'd bet not.
The way you phrase it any putter would have many times the spin rate of my 14 speed drivers. That's just not how it plays out.