I think they need to get another goalie, I think Woll would be a good fit for starting and Dennis Hilldebey as backup but in case that doesn't work out or Woll for some reason isn't ready for starting goalie they should get another goalie during free agency. PS: I don't see Samsonov coming back, the Leafs should let him go tbh
They obviously need a God damned all star goalie who can make his starts in the playoffs on top of a good d corp and good forward group. Then pay off the commissioner. lol Ya know, pro sports is fucking rocket science.
so why dont they lower the price on jerseys and the concession price inside the arena because eveyday joe cannot afford to go see games anymore its become a rich man tickets im from Montreal and i used to go see games regularly in the 90s and 00s now cannot afford to its ridiculus
This was great. 3 different GMs and a multitude of coaches have taken the heat for Shanahan's decisions over the last 10 years. They have answered all of the questions day in and day out. They have lost their jobs. The fact that Shanahan is still there is shocking.
@@snakecharmer3587 Honestly, I don't begrudge Shanahan all of the good he has done. I just don't think a good leader holds everyone around him accountable for the failure of his own vision while refusing to make adjustments.
@@kates6876 I think it’s more complicated then people think or the leafs would have won since 67 . Shanny has connections around the league and is a multiple Stanley cup winner and hall of famer . Leafs fans need to just be quiet. They don’t know what a winner looks like
@@snakecharmer3587 Agreed. I honestly don't care that the Leafs haven't won the Stanley Cup. It's more about showing progress. More teams mean it is harder every year. But by your logic, no one should have been fired to this point. It was hard for all of the coaches and GMs who work/have worked for Shanahan. They all have been held accountable, either by losing their jobs or by speaking to the media daily.
Sadly, it's a company after all. They didnt buy the Leafs hoping to make them win, they bought the Leafs as in investment to make more money. I dont think (sadly again) that they really care about the Cup
I actually don’t think that’s true. I used to, but honestly think of how much money the raptors generated by winning? Champ merch, more games, all around exposure. Stale play isn’t a good business model. I just think it’s incompetence lol
I’m so sick of this “I just got here” nonsense. When new management comes in in most other places the new guy usually goes “I didn’t hire you, I want my own guys that I pick in there” and does sweeping firings in the rest of management.
My race car has 4 tires and 20 lug nuts. Imagine if I kept changing my 20 lug nuts over and over hoping for a different result when all the while I needed 4 new tires. That's what the Leafs have been doing for the last few years.
Even worse is immature fans defending the decision to keep the losing president in charge like it'll actually get them something. Maybe they have financial interest in Shanahan's career, but even that isn't much of an excuse since you'd think they'd want him to, you know, WIN.
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing, over and over, and expecting different results. Vaas would have a field day seeing the Leafs management
As someone who follows the Leafs as my "other team," the Leafs have plenty of talent but collectively have no heart. They don't EXPECT to win; they HOPE they win.
Brendan, its time to go. Anybody can be replaced. The bullshit logic that it would be a bad time to jettison him, due to needing stability, doesn’t stand after ten years of Brendan’s con artistry.😊
Yup. It's absolutely ridiculous to listen to Shanny's words while he refuses to man up and gracefully resign. Par for the course in Leaf Land, I guess..
My biggest takeaway from that press conference is they are saying the right things, whether they do them or not? Who the hell knows. At this point I’m just tired of the excuses, I want to see change. Real change, not just lipstick on the pig.
Because Keefe is a horrible coach and should never had the job in the first place. Shanahan is accountable because over 10 years all his decisions failed.
I'm just really unsure of what the point of having a GM is if Shanahan is only going to greenlight moves he wants. Even when Dubas (who everyone apparently hates now) wanted to move off the core, Shanahan not only prevented that but actively worked against it and fired him. When Keefe was wanting different pieces to build a different toolset for utilizing different systems, he was given more of the same. Both Dubas and Keefe had to go, but let's not act like they were getting the moves they were asking for. Shanahan has to go. Don't replace him. Let Treliving go wild and a new coach force a new culture onto this team unimpeded by an overseer. Pelley can make sure the numbers make sense.
The Staff and Graph podcast talked about how Dubas couldn't get in touch with Shanahan during trade season, leading to the Leafs losing opportunities to make trades. The more we talk about this, the more upset I am that everyone else is a scapegoat for the Shanaplan. The press conference hanging Dubas out to dry was unnecessary and feels particularly egregious the more we learn.
I dunno why Dubas gets all the hate. His style didn't work out for Toronto, but how much of that was his moves and how much of that was management behind the curtains? I'm not sure we will ever get the full truth of it until all parties involved are out of the mgmt sphere.
@@lzrdwzrd999 Agreed. It seems pretty clear that keeping the core 4 and staying the course was Shanahan. Dubas is just the one who was held accountable for it. Then Shanahan came out and said exactly what Dubas said last year with zero accountability.
@@kates6876 Dubas bought his own ticket out of town when he gave his unadvised press conference last year. Lets not pretend he didnt openly muse about quitting for the sake of his family, lets not also not forget he said it was Toronto or nowhere and then days later moves to Pittsburgh. He had that gig in his back pocket and made a power play for Shanahans job and Shanny said nah. He was the author of his own demise, and the fact that Shanahan should have been canned at the same doesn't make Dubas any less culpable for his own firing. MLSE should have cleaned house.
Hey Leaf's Fans, I love Dangle's channel too. Just want to share my team channel, Low Quality Bruins Fan, shared a huge thanks to Leaf's Fans in his most recent last vid. Because 99% of Leaf fans were educated and cordial. He shared the difference of the Panther Fans comments in this 2 series. You all made us secondary fans of the Leafs because of you. I know you are looking forward to next season. See you then.
I just wanted to thank you for giving shelter to so many hockey fans out there. I yell and swear illogically at the TV like any other infuriated hockey fan, but my girlfriend says that at least I don't get as worked up as that guy from Toronto. 🤣 You may not know it but you're helping a lot of hockey fans manage their outrage at their teams and officiating, and how their non-hockey fan girlfriends and wives regard them.
They know exactly what they're doing. Richest franchise in the league. Saps keep buying tickets and merchandise. Corporate honchos continue to spend millions entertaining clients in their private boxes. Everybody is rich and happy. Why change anything ?
Alright it’s been fun as a bruins fan watching you in shambles the past couple weeks. That’s probably the last vid I watch til we face off again next year so thanks for the laughs!!
What I have learned of my time wirkung in Marketing IS... Never trust anything someone of Marketing IS saying 😅🤷🏻♂️ The decision to keep Shanny IS mindblowing to me. IT Shows you, in my opinion it is Not about Winning... The sentence about "WE are Not here to sell tickets ..." Is just smart marketing
I recall several identical news conferences from the Maple Leafs in 1984, 1989, 1992, 1993, 1999, 2004 when I stopped being a Leafs fan. 2024 news conference - blah blah blah.
Think back to the 70’s and early 80’s under Ballard, yes he made money,but we noticed the arena not packed with people on week nights, I saw on multiple times whole sections in the upper deck empty! I was able to get tickets from scalpers ,less than face value! Could this happen again , I say so! They knew it! I know Leafnation is huge, but if they keep fleecing us fans, they will rule the day!
this is like a company I worked 5 yrs for who went thu in 15 yrs I know of, fired 22 managers and 22 supervisors but the regional manager is still there.... and the company is still rotten
The Bruins couldn't Move Coyle because who in the world want to pay 5.5 million for a fourth line center. Same goes for Marner, what team would be stupid enough to pay someone 11 million for two 30 goal seasons. The Leafs are stuck with him for the life of his contract, unless they buy him out. The major problem the Leasf have is 52% of their salary cap it tied up in 4 players. So it the 4 players do not produce, there is no supporting cast to back them up.
The definition of insanity is... Steve, you're insane for expecting a different result. Give it a rest. We already know this team will not win for a long time.
I'm surprised Shanahan is still employed there. It's been 10+ years. His fingerprints are all over this team. His influence has allowed this culture to continue. If he isn't fired, then the Leafs will not move on past the "failures" label that has been put on them, by their own actions.
I had someone point out to me recently that Shanahan probably didn’t fire both Dubas and Keefe last season to keep a scapegoat on hand to buy himself some time.
Brendan Shanahan says the accountability and responsibility is on him, if that were true he would not have a job still. It's up to the fans now. I know fans will continue to go to games so the Maple Leafs front office knows they still get a pass
I hope the Leafs can extend Domi because I think he deserves it; he plays with a lot of heart on a team that simply lacks it. I also hope they can keep Bertuzzi, he started slow but he gathered steam as the season went along and he's a battler. We need players like that a lot more than we do any of the 'stars' that vanish as soon as the playoffs begin.
FIRE SHANAHAN. The Leafs will do as little as possible to change anything. Keefe is gone: big deal. This is all falling in line for another failure next season. FECKING FIRE SHANAHAN. Are these feckers kidding? This Pelley dude will feck up. FECK UP, MOVE UP, like Dubas. FIRE SHANAHAN. Am I repeating myself?
Leafs window will close next year but reopen in 2 years. Marner and Tavares will come off the books . Easton Cowan will come up. Treliving will build a strong big d line and get a more physical team.
@@AHFP29 Mitch ain't waiving his father will not let that happen trust me . They are all about self and not team. Secondly , his value is low right now with his playoff performance and ending the season with an injury. His dad and agent will want him to build up his stock, kinda like Nylander prior to signing his extension. Nylander was the best player in the planet , signed his desk dnd came back down to earth .
@@peaceonearth7142 this is a shockingly dumb take. Willy’s pace was effectively unchanged after the contract, only really dipping when he was moved to a limited third line role towards the end of the season. Mitch knows he isn’t getting extended here - he can facilitate a trade to a market he wants + sign his $12-$13M extension for seven years this summer. Mitigates any risk of going into a contract year without a deal… he’s not going to go through this season without a contract and risk a massive injury or an off season lmaoooo.
If Berube has any Common Sense he’ll stay far away from the Leafs organization. The Leafs are as disfunctional a team as you can possibly get in hockey thinking they can win a Stanley Cup with a team built like an NBA roster with a core 4 taking up almost half of the salary cap. No coach, not even one as good at motivating and getting the best out of his players as Berube could win with a team constructed this poorly. I say it every year that the Leafs roster is flawed in design, yet the Leafs are content beating this dead horse into the ground year in and year out with their core 4.
@@ronmatthews2164 It’s not even the players fault that their performance is worse in the playoffs since they are playing against the most elite teams that can designate their top lines often as shutdown lines and still have enough depth to score goals whereas the Leafs don’t have that luxury due to having so much of their cap tied up in just a few players. Everything wrong with the Leafs is being caused by their bloated contracts to their top players and everything can be fixed if the Leafs ever want to by eliminating some of that cap weight to add more depth to their roster.
Well if Brendan Shanahan does leave Toronto, he could be useful in Detroit as we need some Red Wing fire power to help us win more games and simply find the right guys for playoff contention
The leafs don't lack the talent or skill. They lack in the intangibles, grinding out the boards to win a puck battle, blocking shots, make players scared to gain the blue line, battle in front of the net. If you're soft in all those areas, the other teams don't hesitate, flinch, or even get worn down, it's high end no contact beer league hockey. Good luck winning a cup with that level of Charmin softness.
Id love if Treliving pulled this one out: Marner to Nasville (if he agrees to, he might, its a promising organization with at least a few good prospects like Askarov) in exchange for Juuse Saros and Dante Fabbro. I think the problem of scoring in the playoffs comes most notably down to coching, but this could fix the blue line and the issues in net. (Saros and Marner are both entering their last year of contract next season which imo makes this trade more doable for both teams)
he LEafs do not have to get VALUE back for Marner in a trade .The VALUE is the Cap space that they gain ( a couple of " cant miss" defence prospects and a 1st round pick would do it ) .As long as we waives and you get his cap hit off the books that is the name of the game .The UFA pool this summer is full of guys that have been absolute BEASTS in the playoffs recently ( Montour ,Marchesault,Stamkos ,Reinhart and Toffoli just to name a few ) One or more of these guys on the Leafs could carry them over the playoff hump
Exactly. Freeing up Cap Space with a Marner move is all the Leafs require. Marner can walk in a year with no return, let's just move that up by a full season.
I am glad you are doing this on your own. I really can't stand how you are being treated on the SDPN episodes which I watch because of YOU. I think your talent is greater than even your passion for the Leafs. Your timing and delivery is very important, and it is getting stepped on way too often. I'm sure your friend Sid Seixeiro would agree. I am not suggesting that you step away from your passion, or away from the unique brand that you have carved out. I am saying that you are unique and people that do not care about hockey one tiny bit enjoy your presentation. Don't let anyone's " shut up I'm talking " left arm, or anything else stifle you. I have been a Leafs fan/victim long enough to have seen them win Stanley Cups, and you have breathed new life into my own fandom. Thank you, Steve. I hope that you appreciate yourself as much as so many others do.
Shanny … it’s on me but Kyle paid the price last year and Sheldon gets that honor this year? Just go in and negotiate a nice golden parachute and move on.
Everyone talks about what a wonderful regular season team the Leafs are. I’m not so sure. Oh yes, they can easily get 100 points and make the playoffs no problem. But they never win the division and almost every year have to start the playoffs on the road. They COULD win the division if they would stop losing regular season games to teams like Columbus and Ottawa. Anyway, I think the goal should not only be the Stanley Cup. I would set the initial goal as finishing in the top 2 in the division, and preferably, first.
@@BrianTheLeafsGuy score more than 1G every 7 Playoff games? Sounds reasonable. Have more than 2pts in 7 Playoff games? Sounds reasonable as well. But he'd rather polish his Rocket than put in some hard work. And the Selke? He won't win, Barkov is a hell lot better player than Matthews will ever be!
it warms my heart seeing SDPN go belly up... i was rooting for the guys, but they've been dropping the ball and treating people like shit for months (lots of tea out there)
Shanahan did a decent job tanking, hiring Lou, and bringing in Babcock (before he went bonkers). It went off the rails when he fired Lou to promote Kyle. Kyle and Babcock were never on the same page, and then Kyle went and got Tavares. I love Tavares but they should have targeted a defenseman or 2. Tavares is a great hockey player, but just didn't gell on this team. Also didn't help that Lou punted Verhaeghe who developed into the greatest all-around hockey player. IMO a better coach will usher in a more defensive style of play that wins. Somehow Toronto will have to get a better defenseman.
I am amazed that the 4 weeks excuse, was used, at that level, you mean when you took the job you didn’t have a vision of what you wanted to do,you were hired as a CEO,
Steves like " wait a sec , not everyone listens to the pod , opportunity to cover the same topic again and make more cash " Can't blame you papa dangle
Tbh he needs to do it since the Leafs don't give him 4-21 more games a year. And this and the podcast are both his jobs and the podcast costs him money aswell.
If they get a second round win and show progress next season, he'll deserve an extension. Not sure if everyone can remember what Leafs nation was like the day before Shanny was hired. 1995-2015 were twenty tough years, we've now had ten fun ones.
99 and 02 had conference final runs and a bunch of fun playoff experiences from 99-04 until the lockout. Even the Muskoka 5 did better than the par 4. shanny to get an extension for a 2nd round expectation is so lackluster and destined for at best... at best 1 cup run with the best goal scorer of our generation who's a selkencandidate. We're forever fucked if that's the best we can do, with all this $ and culture.
At this point the only way to salvage the Leafs is to completely change the franchise. Name, logo, colors, everything. The heritage of failure is too heavy a curse.
You know why? Cause MLSE's goal is NOT to have the Leafs win a cup, it's to make money. They look at financial reports and see that the Leafs make a fuck ton of money, and that the ''Core Four'' generates fuck ton of it aswell. They optimize for profitabilty, not to win a championship. That's my take anyways
so you’re telling me that they’d prefer only having 3 home games to make money and 7 for the square being open, rather than potentially 16? wow, what a great business mind you are! MLSE should hire you！ …dope.
Do the math on averaging just one extra round per season in the Matthews era. Give you a hint it pays for Matthews and Nylander's next contracts in full.
@@Roller11111You guys forget they run 5 teams and not just the leafs, it isnt all about the leafs. As long as they make nore than last year they dont care. If the leafs somehow get to rd 3 or finals, then next year exit rd one again, they will see the team lost money from prior year, and then probably try to trade matthews. Until they fire shanny, this is how i feel MLSE runs things. It might be a curse to go deep in the playoffs, leafs need to be run by a different organization. Good luck with that.
Steve Im 65 and have seen 3 or 4 of these so called change over or new beginnings. They are a snow job dude, the corporate structure and greed for money caused the demise and crappy image of the leafs. I known you make a living of talking and rarely say anything definitive but more of the same buddy. Mario
As always, an excellent summary. No problems with Shanahan remaining to the end of his contract. If Leafs win next year maybe he gets a new contract. My expectation is Marner and Tavares will not waive their no trade and will be back next year. As always, there are 2 issues for the Leafs, contract negotiations and player development. Each player wants the most money AND a NMC? Really. Either you would like to be a Maple Leaf or not. When the Maple Leafs have leverage, the player still dictates all the terms. Fair compensation is a must, but it you have to know when to draw the line. Treliving has not got off to a great start with Willy's deal, but it might get better. The Leafs are the team that always trade their draft picks like they have a drug addiction. Let's get to the model Shanahan originally suggested, draft and develop. I think our development is there, but our Leafs absolutely LOVE trading picks for a whole lotta of nothing. If we do not get to the conference final next year at a minimum, Shanahan, Treliving and the entire management team need to be changed.
On the bright side I've been watching Easton Cowan play in the playoffs and this guy is going to be something special. He can fill a hole on the skill side in the future.
@@JarradBruessel32 Rielly makes 7.5 and is a non factor. Hes a 2nd pair defenseman whos paid like a #1. Hes a big reason why the powerplay sucks because he has no shot. The team went 5-0 when he was suspended. Get rid of him now before his skating drops off. Once that happens its over.
He gave a job recommendation to a guy he knew was a sexual abuser. That guy went on to sexually abuse more people in that position. Quenneville should never be allowed to work in hockey ever again.
Steve always gets very upset when people in the hockey world don't take accountability for their actions, but he's apparently just going to pretend like he didn't make an entire video that was basically spreading misinformation about a new hockey league. The hypocrisy is insane lmao.
What changes do you think the Leafs need to make? Might make a video with the best / most creative answers 😉
I think they need to get another goalie, I think Woll would be a good fit for starting and Dennis Hilldebey as backup but in case that doesn't work out or Woll for some reason isn't ready for starting goalie they should get another goalie during free agency.
PS: I don't see Samsonov coming back, the Leafs should let him go tbh
Trade Marner and Johnny T
Both parties have a NMC to work around but since Marner is kinda the odd man out I’d like to see a trade with Isles. Marner for Sorokin and Dobson
I honestly think Marner,Tavares and Sammy should go. For what exactly? We NEED a solid goalie and some defensive depth.
They obviously need a God damned all star goalie who can make his starts in the playoffs on top of a good d corp and good forward group. Then pay off the commissioner. lol Ya know, pro sports is fucking rocket science.
"We don't care about selling jerseys, we care about winning."
I'll believe it when I see it.
Well jersey selling is a must because after every first round exit leaf fans burn their jerseys and have to buy new in the fall
@@samspade4050 Very clever of them (chortle chortle).
That’s a number one lie. It’s ALL about selling jerseys.
so why dont they lower the price on jerseys and the concession price inside the arena
because eveyday joe cannot afford to go see games anymore its become a rich man tickets
im from Montreal and i used to go see games regularly in the 90s and 00s now cannot afford to its ridiculus
This was great. 3 different GMs and a multitude of coaches have taken the heat for Shanahan's decisions over the last 10 years. They have answered all of the questions day in and day out. They have lost their jobs. The fact that Shanahan is still there is shocking.
Without shanny the leafs still would be a crappy regular season team
@@snakecharmer3587 Honestly, I don't begrudge Shanahan all of the good he has done. I just don't think a good leader holds everyone around him accountable for the failure of his own vision while refusing to make adjustments.
@@kates6876 I think it’s more complicated then people think or the leafs would have won since 67 . Shanny has connections around the league and is a multiple Stanley cup winner and hall of famer . Leafs fans need to just be quiet. They don’t know what a winner looks like
@@snakecharmer3587 Agreed. I honestly don't care that the Leafs haven't won the Stanley Cup. It's more about showing progress. More teams mean it is harder every year. But by your logic, no one should have been fired to this point. It was hard for all of the coaches and GMs who work/have worked for Shanahan. They all have been held accountable, either by losing their jobs or by speaking to the media daily.
Shanahan is a phycopath
The fact Shanahan still has a job is ludicrous. MLSE doesn't care about winning, just wringing as much money out of the fans as possible.
Why do you deposit cash to support this team
@@alltheworldsastage. If you watch the games on any of the legal Canadian feeds you are paying MLSE.
Sadly, it's a company after all. They didnt buy the Leafs hoping to make them win, they bought the Leafs as in investment to make more money. I dont think (sadly again) that they really care about the Cup
I actually don’t think that’s true. I used to, but honestly think of how much money the raptors generated by winning? Champ merch, more games, all around exposure. Stale play isn’t a good business model. I just think it’s incompetence lol
You realize winning would make them more money right?
Woll spraining his back carrying this team is appropriate.
Lmao
lol
I’m so sick of this “I just got here” nonsense.
When new management comes in in most other places the new guy usually goes “I didn’t hire you, I want my own guys that I pick in there” and does sweeping firings in the rest of management.
My race car has 4 tires and 20 lug nuts. Imagine if I kept changing my 20 lug nuts over and over hoping for a different result when all the while I needed 4 new tires. That's what the Leafs have been doing for the last few years.
As a car guy, I want to endorse this comment.
"Change is coming"....fires a secretary. Tell me you're about the bottom line ($ NOT winning a SC) without telling me you're about the bottom line.
Even worse is immature fans defending the decision to keep the losing president in charge like it'll actually get them something. Maybe they have financial interest in Shanahan's career, but even that isn't much of an excuse since you'd think they'd want him to, you know, WIN.
How does the phrase go? “What’s the definition of insanity?….”
Doing the same thing over and over again
That's not correct at all.
Einstein I think. Doing the same thing over and over expecting different results is the definition of insanity?
Leafs trying to convince others they are a cup contender.
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing, over and over, and expecting different results. Vaas would have a field day seeing the Leafs management
As someone who follows the Leafs as my "other team," the Leafs have plenty of talent but collectively have no heart. They don't EXPECT to win; they HOPE they win.
Brendan, its time to go. Anybody can be replaced. The bullshit logic that it would be a bad time to jettison him, due to needing stability, doesn’t stand after ten years of Brendan’s con artistry.😊
Yup. It's absolutely ridiculous to listen to Shanny's words while he refuses to man up and gracefully resign. Par for the course in Leaf Land, I guess..
Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.
New goal song
Sorry. You will get fooled again.
@@tryingtobefairandobjective3480 by Who?
Won't get fooled again perfect song for leaf fans.
My father would be so proud. His favourite band being quoted as a critique of his passion. Wanting this team to win a damn cup.
I’m stealing “poop on velcro” as a phrase now, thanks Steve.
My biggest takeaway from that press conference is they are saying the right things, whether they do them or not? Who the hell knows. At this point I’m just tired of the excuses, I want to see change. Real change, not just lipstick on the pig.
Steve Dangle has spoken... A new hockey league begins
May the meme live forever
Hahaha that was ridiculous
He is offering to you your annual Kool-Aid. If you think he know anything you don't, drink more Kool-Aid.
@@tryingtobefairandobjective3480 Holy smokes man try English!
Love you and your content Steve, hope you’re doing well with all the stress of this time of year. : )
I saw a report title that says it all, "We Need Change, Not Empty Words"
If accountability is on shanahan then why did keefe gets fired
That's the million dollar+ question.
Because I think Brendan hired him and now he took responsibility and fired him!😂😂😂
Because Keefe is a horrible coach and should never had the job in the first place. Shanahan is accountable because over 10 years all his decisions failed.
I'm just really unsure of what the point of having a GM is if Shanahan is only going to greenlight moves he wants. Even when Dubas (who everyone apparently hates now) wanted to move off the core, Shanahan not only prevented that but actively worked against it and fired him. When Keefe was wanting different pieces to build a different toolset for utilizing different systems, he was given more of the same. Both Dubas and Keefe had to go, but let's not act like they were getting the moves they were asking for.
Shanahan has to go. Don't replace him. Let Treliving go wild and a new coach force a new culture onto this team unimpeded by an overseer. Pelley can make sure the numbers make sense.
The Staff and Graph podcast talked about how Dubas couldn't get in touch with Shanahan during trade season, leading to the Leafs losing opportunities to make trades. The more we talk about this, the more upset I am that everyone else is a scapegoat for the Shanaplan. The press conference hanging Dubas out to dry was unnecessary and feels particularly egregious the more we learn.
I dunno why Dubas gets all the hate. His style didn't work out for Toronto, but how much of that was his moves and how much of that was management behind the curtains?
I'm not sure we will ever get the full truth of it until all parties involved are out of the mgmt sphere.
@@lzrdwzrd999 Agreed. It seems pretty clear that keeping the core 4 and staying the course was Shanahan. Dubas is just the one who was held accountable for it. Then Shanahan came out and said exactly what Dubas said last year with zero accountability.
@@kates6876 Dubas bought his own ticket out of town when he gave his unadvised press conference last year. Lets not pretend he didnt openly muse about quitting for the sake of his family, lets not also not forget he said it was Toronto or nowhere and then days later moves to Pittsburgh. He had that gig in his back pocket and made a power play for Shanahans job and Shanny said nah. He was the author of his own demise, and the fact that Shanahan should have been canned at the same doesn't make Dubas any less culpable for his own firing. MLSE should have cleaned house.
From what I saw and heard yesterday, nothing is changing. I'll believe it when I see it.
2 years my friend . Window will close next season but reopen in 2 years trust me .
Great content (from a 75 year old long time Leafs fan in Sotland). Myabe the new voice is giving you more gravitas!
i don’t even watch press conferences anymore. i get better information from SteveDangle anyway. thanks for the catch up
havent watched pressers for a few years now... it became 100% lies so why bother
The volume was on level 1 anyway, so it was impossible to hear. Worse than their usual media scrums.
Hey Leaf's Fans, I love Dangle's channel too. Just want to share my team channel, Low Quality Bruins Fan, shared a huge thanks to Leaf's Fans in his most recent last vid. Because 99% of Leaf fans were educated and cordial. He shared the difference of the Panther Fans comments in this 2 series. You all made us secondary fans of the Leafs because of you. I know you are looking forward to next season. See you then.
President Brendan Shanahan needs to fire himself because the condition of the Maple Leafs is on him (his own words).
I just wanted to thank you for giving shelter to so many hockey fans out there. I yell and swear illogically at the TV like any other infuriated hockey fan, but my girlfriend says that at least I don't get as worked up as that guy from Toronto. 🤣 You may not know it but you're helping a lot of hockey fans manage their outrage at their teams and officiating, and how their non-hockey fan girlfriends and wives regard them.
Leafs management are a bunch of cowards. They don't have the imagination it the courage to make the necessary change
FIRE THAT FECKER SHANAHAN
They know exactly what they're doing. Richest franchise in the league. Saps keep buying tickets and merchandise. Corporate honchos continue to spend millions entertaining clients in their private boxes. Everybody is rich and happy. Why change anything ?
@@billboggs6641 Calculate the money generated by one home game in the playoffs. It all goes to ownership.
I think our winning move is adding Nazem Kadri back to the team and letting him and reavo run the 1st line
ha, what an absolute joke that is. HAHA
t. Stars fan
Nazem Kadri for a 1st + Cowan 👍
Ryan Reaves has less than zero respect for Nazim Kadri. They are polar opposites.
If Kadri came but that would definitely give the team more playoff success
Ew.
Flyers fans watching this - “Hey! I’ve seen this one!”
Maple leafs fans - “what do you mean it’s brand new”
Alright it’s been fun as a bruins fan watching you in shambles the past couple weeks. That’s probably the last vid I watch til we face off again next year so thanks for the laughs!!
What I have learned of my time wirkung in Marketing IS... Never trust anything someone of Marketing IS saying 😅🤷🏻♂️
The decision to keep Shanny IS mindblowing to me. IT Shows you, in my opinion it is Not about Winning... The sentence about "WE are Not here to sell tickets ..." Is just smart marketing
This is a better breakdown than the press conference! For 1, we can hear this! Lol
Anybody out there actually think you can install GRIT, GUTS, a WORK ETHIC in a bunch of millionaires??? 😂😂😂
Austin was sick and he still came back to play and don't tell me he had a cold or food poisoning. That is grit.
Guys that win the cup are also millionaires, they just have fans that don't see them as godlike before winning anything so they need to prove it.
I recall several identical news conferences from the Maple Leafs in 1984, 1989, 1992, 1993, 1999, 2004 when I stopped being a Leafs fan. 2024 news conference - blah blah blah.
This right here. 2019 was it for me, I still pay attention to the news cause let’s face it it’s a train crash you can’t look away from.
Good one, agreed with all your points, thanks for giving voice to the concerns of us Leafs fans.
"Winning Championships can sell many jerseys" - Homer Simpson
Think back to the 70’s and early 80’s under Ballard, yes he made money,but we noticed the arena not packed with people on week nights, I saw on multiple times whole sections in the upper deck empty! I was able to get tickets from scalpers ,less than face value! Could this happen again , I say so! They knew it! I know Leafnation is huge, but if they keep fleecing us fans, they will rule the day!
this is like a company I worked 5 yrs for who went thu in 15 yrs I know of, fired 22 managers and 22 supervisors but the regional manager is still there.... and the company is still rotten
…..was he the owners son-in-law? 😂
The Bruins couldn't Move Coyle because who in the world want to pay 5.5 million for a fourth line center. Same goes for Marner, what team would be stupid enough to pay someone 11 million for two 30 goal seasons. The Leafs are stuck with him for the life of his contract, unless they buy him out. The major problem the Leasf have is 52% of their salary cap it tied up in 4 players. So it the 4 players do not produce, there is no supporting cast to back them up.
The definition of insanity is...
Steve, you're insane for expecting a different result. Give it a rest. We already know this team will not win for a long time.
Just the fact that Shanahan still has a job proves that they are not serious
I'm surprised Shanahan is still employed there. It's been 10+ years. His fingerprints are all over this team. His influence has allowed this culture to continue.
If he isn't fired, then the Leafs will not move on past the "failures" label that has been put on them, by their own actions.
I had someone point out to me recently that Shanahan probably didn’t fire both Dubas and Keefe last season to keep a scapegoat on hand to buy himself some time.
Good point, but it's the season they finally made the 2nd round, I think most fans were expecting a run back. The contracts, though, were surprising.
My heart sincerely goes out to you all. Somehow , the nightmare has worsened. Just omg.
Are Leafs moving to Major League Hockey?
Brendan Shanahan says the accountability and responsibility is on him, if that were true he would not have a job still. It's up to the fans now. I know fans will continue to go to games so the Maple Leafs front office knows they still get a pass
I hope the Leafs can extend Domi because I think he deserves it; he plays with a lot of heart on a team that simply lacks it. I also hope they can keep Bertuzzi, he started slow but he gathered steam as the season went along and he's a battler. We need players like that a lot more than we do any of the 'stars' that vanish as soon as the playoffs begin.
FIRE SHANAHAN. The Leafs will do as little as possible to change anything. Keefe is gone: big deal. This is all falling in line for another failure next season. FECKING FIRE SHANAHAN. Are these feckers kidding? This Pelley dude will feck up. FECK UP, MOVE UP, like Dubas. FIRE SHANAHAN. Am I repeating myself?
Nothing is changing lol. Mitch won't waive, Willy, Mo and Mathews all just reupped.
Its going to be another year of the same before we see changes.
I think it’s very possible marner waives; clear to me he doesn’t want to be a leaf.
Leafs window will close next year but reopen in 2 years. Marner and Tavares will come off the books . Easton Cowan will come up. Treliving will build a strong big d line and get a more physical team.
why wouldn't mitch waive lol it's basically a guaranteed extension for him at a great number
@@AHFP29 Mitch ain't waiving his father will not let that happen trust me . They are all about self and not team. Secondly , his value is low right now with his playoff performance and ending the season with an injury. His dad and agent will want him to build up his stock, kinda like Nylander prior to signing his extension. Nylander was the best player in the planet , signed his desk dnd came back down to earth .
@@peaceonearth7142 this is a shockingly dumb take. Willy’s pace was effectively unchanged after the contract, only really dipping when he was moved to a limited third line role towards the end of the season. Mitch knows he isn’t getting extended here - he can facilitate a trade to a market he wants + sign his $12-$13M extension for seven years this summer. Mitigates any risk of going into a contract year without a deal… he’s not going to go through this season without a contract and risk a massive injury or an off season lmaoooo.
How many years you been saying this, kid?
Been waiting on change since '14..and realistically since '94..ive been a diehard since 93 and I feel that I will never see a Cup in this city
Great content!
Craig Berubie will have Matthews, Marner and especially Nylander crying after he lays into them.
If Berube has any Common Sense he’ll stay far away from the Leafs organization. The Leafs are as disfunctional a team as you can possibly get in hockey thinking they can win a Stanley Cup with a team built like an NBA roster with a core 4 taking up almost half of the salary cap. No coach, not even one as good at motivating and getting the best out of his players as Berube could win with a team constructed this poorly. I say it every year that the Leafs roster is flawed in design, yet the Leafs are content beating this dead horse into the ground year in and year out with their core 4.
@@BobbyBoucher228
Great points and the core 4 all perform at a way lower level every year in the playoffs.
@@ronmatthews2164 It’s not even the players fault that their performance is worse in the playoffs since they are playing against the most elite teams that can designate their top lines often as shutdown lines and still have enough depth to score goals whereas the Leafs don’t have that luxury due to having so much of their cap tied up in just a few players. Everything wrong with the Leafs is being caused by their bloated contracts to their top players and everything can be fixed if the Leafs ever want to by eliminating some of that cap weight to add more depth to their roster.
Well if Brendan Shanahan does leave Toronto, he could be useful in Detroit as we need some Red Wing fire power to help us win more games and simply find the right guys for playoff contention
The leafs don't lack the talent or skill.
They lack in the intangibles, grinding out the boards to win a puck battle, blocking shots, make players scared to gain the blue line, battle in front of the net.
If you're soft in all those areas, the other teams don't hesitate, flinch, or even get worn down, it's high end no contact beer league hockey.
Good luck winning a cup with that level of Charmin softness.
What series did you watch? They were doing all those things the last 3 games. They just can't score and their powerplay sucked.
Id love if Treliving pulled this one out: Marner to Nasville (if he agrees to, he might, its a promising organization with at least a few good prospects like Askarov) in exchange for Juuse Saros and Dante Fabbro. I think the problem of scoring in the playoffs comes most notably down to coching, but this could fix the blue line and the issues in net. (Saros and Marner are both entering their last year of contract next season which imo makes this trade more doable for both teams)
Steve Yzerman would pull that out. Treiliving will more likely get fleeced like he was in Calgary. A mediocre GM with nothing to show for.
he LEafs do not have to get VALUE back for Marner in a trade .The VALUE is the Cap space that they gain ( a couple of " cant miss" defence prospects and a 1st round pick would do it ) .As long as we waives and you get his cap hit off the books that is the name of the game .The UFA pool this summer is full of guys that have been absolute BEASTS in the playoffs recently ( Montour ,Marchesault,Stamkos ,Reinhart and Toffoli just to name a few ) One or more of these guys on the Leafs could carry them over the playoff hump
Exactly. Freeing up Cap Space with a Marner move is all the Leafs require. Marner can walk in a year with no return, let's just move that up by a full season.
Great coverage!
How long until the premiere of Brendan Shanahan: An Era Wasted?
With a foreword by UrinatingTrees.
I am glad you are doing this on your own. I really can't stand how you are being treated on the SDPN episodes which I watch because of YOU. I think your talent is greater than even your passion for the Leafs. Your timing and delivery is very important, and it is getting stepped on way too often. I'm sure your friend Sid Seixeiro would agree. I am not suggesting that you step away from your passion, or away from the unique brand that you have carved out. I am saying that you are unique and people that do not care about hockey one tiny bit enjoy your presentation. Don't let anyone's " shut up I'm talking " left arm, or anything else stifle you. I have been a Leafs fan/victim long enough to have seen them win Stanley Cups, and you have breathed new life into my own fandom. Thank you, Steve. I hope that you appreciate yourself as much as so many others do.
Doing the hard, dirty thing, is FIRING Shanahan. Get it done!
13:59 he probably means Toronto wants to get a top-tier goon/enforcer like the Rangers did by picking up Rempe
Shanny … it’s on me but Kyle paid the price last year and Sheldon gets that honor this year? Just go in and negotiate a nice golden parachute and move on.
Everyone talks about what a wonderful regular season team the Leafs are. I’m not so sure. Oh yes, they can easily get 100 points and make the playoffs no problem. But they never win the division and almost every year have to start the playoffs on the road. They COULD win the division if they would stop losing regular season games to teams like Columbus and Ottawa.
Anyway, I think the goal should not only be the Stanley Cup. I would set the initial goal as finishing in the top 2 in the division, and preferably, first.
Brad Treliving talking about hard sexy things is hilarious.
Yeah...... His version of "Truckulent".... Its just dry humping
NHL needs to fix the player taxes from Canada to the US ,they make a lot more in some States
When the Leafs get a serious coach, I think Auston Matthews will show his true colours.
...what does this even mean?
Yeah,...define true colours..im curious
He has already been
Matthews won the rocket and is nominated for the Selke (best defensive forward)... What more are you expecting from Matthews?
@@BrianTheLeafsGuy score more than 1G every 7 Playoff games? Sounds reasonable. Have more than 2pts in 7 Playoff games? Sounds reasonable as well. But he'd rather polish his Rocket than put in some hard work. And the Selke? He won't win, Barkov is a hell lot better player than Matthews will ever be!
Unsexy ... Our skilled players HAVE to play like they ARE going to get hurt. You rock Steve.
Can't wait for that 3 on 3 League, lets goooooo
it warms my heart seeing SDPN go belly up... i was rooting for the guys, but they've been dropping the ball and treating people like shit for months (lots of tea out there)
@@AHFP29tea such as?
a no nonsense coach is what we need and I will love to see that man push these talented players to the next level (hopefully)
Shanahan did a decent job tanking, hiring Lou, and bringing in Babcock (before he went bonkers). It went off the rails when he fired Lou to promote Kyle. Kyle and Babcock were never on the same page, and then Kyle went and got Tavares. I love Tavares but they should have targeted a defenseman or 2. Tavares is a great hockey player, but just didn't gell on this team. Also didn't help that Lou punted Verhaeghe who developed into the greatest all-around hockey player. IMO a better coach will usher in a more defensive style of play that wins. Somehow Toronto will have to get a better defenseman.
looks like good times ahead for this guy. Go Habs Go!!!!!!!!!!
If Rod Brind'Amour becomes available i think he would be a great fit with the leafs
Brendan Shanahan is somehow under the same union as Angel Hernandez
I am amazed that the 4 weeks excuse, was used, at that level, you mean when you took the job you didn’t have a vision of what you wanted to do,you were hired as a CEO,
Steves like " wait a sec , not everyone listens to the pod , opportunity to cover the same topic again and make more cash " Can't blame you papa dangle
hes gotta capitalize on lost MLH
Tbh he needs to do it since the Leafs don't give him 4-21 more games a year. And this and the podcast are both his jobs and the podcast costs him money aswell.
Didnt they say this the last 5 years?
You know Marner is gona shine once he’s out of Toronto and Austons spotlight
Likely…look at Hyman..
That's pretty much a fact. Also a fact that ppl are gonna rag on the Leafs saying yOu sHouLdA kEpt hiM
@@foxlake6750 Hyman is twice the player Marner is.
@@foxlake6750 Marner won't get the luck of playing on MacDavid's wing.
Good vibes since 1959.
I wish you would touch on what players will be available more often, who's at the end of their contracts on other teams.
Just watch shanahan get a contract next season after second round.
If they get a second round win and show progress next season, he'll deserve an extension. Not sure if everyone can remember what Leafs nation was like the day before Shanny was hired. 1995-2015 were twenty tough years, we've now had ten fun ones.
99 and 02 had conference final runs and a bunch of fun playoff experiences from 99-04 until the lockout. Even the Muskoka 5 did better than the par 4. shanny to get an extension for a 2nd round expectation is so lackluster and destined for at best... at best 1 cup run with the best goal scorer of our generation who's a selkencandidate. We're forever fucked if that's the best we can do, with all this $ and culture.
@@badbob233 Strange definition of fun
I enjoy the emotional investment people put into games :)
Is Sheldon about to be announced as the first coach in the history of the MLH?
What about Joel Quennville?
He's still suspended
At this point the only way to salvage the Leafs is to completely change the franchise. Name, logo, colors, everything.
The heritage of failure is too heavy a curse.
I told you Steve !!! For the past 2 years I said the Leafs will not win a Stanley Cup until John Tavares is traded.
You know why? Cause MLSE's goal is NOT to have the Leafs win a cup, it's to make money. They look at financial reports and see that the Leafs make a fuck ton of money, and that the ''Core Four'' generates fuck ton of it aswell. They optimize for profitabilty, not to win a championship.
That's my take anyways
so you’re telling me that they’d prefer only having 3 home games to make money and 7 for the square being open, rather than potentially 16?
wow, what a great business mind you are! MLSE should hire you！
…dope.
Do the math on averaging just one extra round per season in the Matthews era. Give you a hint it pays for Matthews and Nylander's next contracts in full.
@@Roller11111You guys forget they run 5 teams and not just the leafs, it isnt all about the leafs. As long as they make nore than last year they dont care.
If the leafs somehow get to rd 3 or finals, then next year exit rd one again, they will see the team lost money from prior year, and then probably try to trade matthews. Until they fire shanny, this is how i feel MLSE runs things. It might be a curse to go deep in the playoffs, leafs need to be run by a different organization. Good luck with that.
Steve
Im 65 and have seen 3 or 4 of these so called change over or new beginnings. They are a snow job dude, the corporate structure and greed for money caused the demise and crappy image of the leafs. I known you make a living of talking and rarely say anything definitive but more of the same buddy.
Mario
Y'all can stop trying to be first. The NSFW bots will beat you to it. 😂
As always, an excellent summary.
No problems with Shanahan remaining to the end of his contract. If Leafs win next year maybe he gets a new contract.
My expectation is Marner and Tavares will not waive their no trade and will be back next year.
As always, there are 2 issues for the Leafs, contract negotiations and player development. Each player wants the most money AND a NMC? Really. Either you would like to be a Maple Leaf or not. When the Maple Leafs have leverage, the player still dictates all the terms. Fair compensation is a must, but it you have to know when to draw the line. Treliving has not got off to a great start with Willy's deal, but it might get better.
The Leafs are the team that always trade their draft picks like they have a drug addiction. Let's get to the model Shanahan originally suggested, draft and develop. I think our development is there, but our Leafs absolutely LOVE trading picks for a whole lotta of nothing.
If we do not get to the conference final next year at a minimum, Shanahan, Treliving and the entire management team need to be changed.
On the bright side I've been watching Easton Cowan play in the playoffs and this guy is going to be something special. He can fill a hole on the skill side in the future.
sorry we don't want 5'11" 185 lb guys unless he is another max domi
@@RobertSmith-bn3zw good thing you will never be a GM for any team with that genius.
Thoughts on Shanahan?
As a Red Wings fan I love the guy. My step dad is a leafs fan so he probably has a different opinion.
10 years 1 playoff win. 10 FUCKING YEARS , 1 PLAYOFF WIN !!!!!!!!!!!
It's on him
I think Shanahan set this team up for failure.
I love that we acquired Willy Nylander and Auston Matthews.
I am not happy with the rest.
@@koshka02 he didn't mean to draft those guys, we just sucked. He really didn't do anything to help this team
Steve should be the next leafs coach. He knows this team better than anyone.
I want to click "like", but I am laughing SO hard I can't see the icon.......
Reillly, Marner, Tavares, Shanahan, and the rest of the coaching staff gotta go
And Samsonov, Klingberg
Reilly isn't an issue really. You need a guy like him.
@@JarradBruessel32ya, reilly is a good hockey player.. just not a #1 dman expected to carry 5 others.
@@JarradBruessel32 Rielly makes 7.5 and is a non factor. Hes a 2nd pair defenseman whos paid like a #1. Hes a big reason why the powerplay sucks because he has no shot.
The team went 5-0 when he was suspended.
Get rid of him now before his skating drops off. Once that happens its over.
@@JarradBruessel32 Rielly sucks. Team was 5-0 when he was suspended. He makes 7.5 mil and has the losing mentality. Hes got to go
@Steve what do you think of a Cowan-Minten-Lisowsky fourth line?
When are the leafs going to the MLH?
Love your video. Leafs need a coach who will hold the players to account!
I am fully aware Quenville hasn’t been reinstated yet. But why is nobody talking about this guy as an option for the job??
Really?!
He gave a job recommendation to a guy he knew was a sexual abuser. That guy went on to sexually abuse more people in that position. Quenneville should never be allowed to work in hockey ever again.
Say sike right now
Because he more than likely won’t be back. Plus he most likely wouldn’t be going to leafs if so
You just mentioned it
15:20 Toronto selects from the London Knights, Easton Cowan
Steve always gets very upset when people in the hockey world don't take accountability for their actions, but he's apparently just going to pretend like he didn't make an entire video that was basically spreading misinformation about a new hockey league. The hypocrisy is insane lmao.
How do you figure? He publicly announced that he was retracting everything and did. Fuck else you want?
@@davehalcrow6733 he didn’t even apologize for spreading misinformation. He just blamed his sources and moved on. Take some accountability
20:18 I must admit my first thought was for him to be going to Pittsburgh. Although New Jersey does seem like the perfect fit.