Where Did The JOB QUESTS Go? | Zepla discusses a FEATURE from the Past [Final Fantasy XIV]
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I miss meeting up with Curious George, my favorite Warrior.
I miss job quest and people defending square enix saying job quest is unsustainable is just defending them for the wrong reasons.
I love job quests but also I still have lots left from lvl80 😂
Small indie company, please understand 🙏
I mean, I think it's a fair point. Counting next expansion, we will have had 8 new Jobs come into the game since they started doing role quests. That's 23 Job quest storylines in total for the quest team to work on compared to the 5 you get with role quests.
@GodOfWar187 id give all job quests away for more fun endgame content like criterion for example
So no counter argument then? They are unsustainable, that's just a fact. It's better to spend those resources on a new storyline for the new Eureka.
I was bummed when job quests were retired in ShB, but when role quests came, they were basically an expansion of the MSQ storyline. So I thought, "OK, this is actually good. If they can do the same for DoL/DoH in the next expansion, we'll be cooking." But then we got EW and DT role quests, which added very little to the MSQ and were just below average side quests. It's frustrating and leaves that feeling of, "We lost job quests for this?"
I had that feeling, but it wasn't for job quests. It was for how Endwalker was so much story condensed into one badly paced expansion, leaving out so many great aspects, only for Dawntrail. "They skipped two or three expansions worth of content for THIS?"
It's something Yoshi P keeps doing, and I have no idea why.
@@Kanaleah Is it Yoshi P or is it the fact they keep switching writers every 2 expansions which we do not know if he has anything to do with that perhaps the current writer wanted a break or a shot at a main line Final Fantasy like the ARR/Heavensward writer got to do FFXVI. Most long running series that have the same cast keep the same writer unless he or she passes away suddenly. FFXIV is like One Piece but the writer switches every 2-4 seasons. They then made it more complicated in Shadowbringers by making side content canon. Now we have what two different takes on time travel that contradict each other along with two ways aether work that contradict each other which both can be fixed with more story but will the next writer care enough to address it?
@@SiriusPharos It was Yoshi P who made this decision. Before Endwalker, Ishikawa had drafts going up to 8.0. It was Yoshi P's decision to consolidate them into a single expansion. Many interviews and comments from Ishikawa indicate they did not see eye to eye on many aspects of Endwalker. It was Yoshi P who took her off 7.x, who rushed to the end of the Hydaelyn/Zodiark arc, and quite frankly Yoshi P is not a very creative person. He is a corporate guy, his strength was management and putting the best people in the right positions, but he has faltered on this over time.
Yoshi P is apparently very hard to work with. So much so, that Matsuno refuses to work with him ever again, based on his various statements on Twitter.
Also, all side content is canon. It's just more dubious when it happens in the timeline.
@@Kanaleah Whats the source on this information? First time hearing about this.
At least with Shadowbringers it made sense. Given we were stuck in another world for that story. But they really could have gone back to it starting Endwalker.
I feel like when they started doing role quests, the expectation was that they'd put those resources into other content, but we haven't been getting more content. It's time to bring job quests back
I speak for my entire friend group (which we had this exact discussion a week ago) that we would all rather have job quests than the role quests or even majority of the side quests.
Some players never touch yellow quests, but they would touch 2 or 3 job quests.
At least a "check-in" or "capstone" quest for each job, each expansion, would be appreciated. I'm ok with the role quests, but I really would like to check in with the trainers and npcs we interacted with during the job quests.
And regarding Solar Bahamut I've heard the theory of it being Hydaelyn but they didn't want to have people summoning Hydaelyn and spoiling anything for sprouts so they went with a Bahamut theme again. And since canonically our WoL is essentially making up new abilities as they continue to progress once they're past the particular job's quests/trainers (lvl 70 for ARR - SB jobs, for example) the idea is our SMN WoL, now bathed in Hydaelyn's aether, crafted a new summon inspired by her, not only the crystals and summong circle, but the "blades" of the wings if you count them there are 14 to represent the reflections and source.
My Red Mage job trainer went out for cigarettes and hasn't come back. He will one day though, I just know it. Arya does too, she's keeping the vigil.
A number of jobs took on Hydaelyn inspired abilities. The 100 RDM ability is a red version of her finisher from the duel against Venat.
The Arcanist npc left on a trip in 2.0 and never came back LOL
I was thinking how cool would have been if all job quest NPCs would have been our view in the world of how bad the "turning" was for the average person.
It would have given so much more urgency if you saw your teachers being affected or fight alongside you from ground level!
The RDM NPC could have shown being afflicted himself and you toghether with Arya would have to remind him that he is not alone, he has plenty of RDM disciples and citizens who belive in him. And at the end of MSQ you would have this hearth to hearth with him before he yeets himself out of the story.
Or DRK job quest where it would afflict you and you would have the DRK NPCs trying to help you and keep you calm by assuring you they have everything under control and you have to find your inner darkness and work toghether through this.
It's mostley just a though of what if, you get the idea.
I hadn't thought about these in a long time, but I really did enjoy the job quests when I first discovered the game. I loved getting to work with the Tonberry as a Scholar and the lore of Summoners. Also it's a little strange how little the game mentions Y'shtola's sister if you hadn't played these quests
While brief, you do meet Y'mitra in HW, during the MSQ, so even if you didn't do the SMN quests you do meet her sister. I do wonder if there was maybe some cut ARR quests or maybe 1.0 quests where you meet her regardless whether your SMN or not, because it is a little odd when Y'shtola says something like "Forgive me Mitra" at the end of the ARR patches. I just assume it's not meant to be anything more than her saying her personal goodbye's and not necessarily something the player would or need to actually know about at that point. If you did the SMN quests then you know, if you didn't, then you don't (yet) know.
If only we didn't lose skills every expansion
Imagine if job quests were made to be a sort of mini tutorial to teach how each skill is utilized in each 10 levels of an expansion? And they'd include an instance as a final exam at the end. That'd be so engaging
I remember YoshiP saying it takes too much time. Glad they instead focus their work on boring MSQ quests. Makes it easy to stay off
It’s seems like their responses to most of what everyone asks for is that “it takes too much time”. Do they have only 10 employees over there or something? Maybe they should not everything needs hours of dialogue to be satisfying content.
I would like to group up with the rogues Guild once again. I miss underfoot, vi'kabbe, and jacke
I wanna get back to upholding the code n sneakin in the darkmans!
I think it was a good idea to have a closure for job quests. However, I always welcome if they make a comeback but this time it's our turn to be a mentor and make an impact to this story.
I'd LOVE to be a Dark Knight mentor for a job questline. That'd be perfect
Yeah we should bring that back like when we did it for dragoon 50-60, learning new skills on the fly inspired by what we can teach our lower apprentices.
I don't feel like Job quests are necessary, BUT whenever it's brought up people say that Job Quests were removed cuz they were taking up too much dev time...and I have to fucking ask "Ok...where is that time being spent on now?!!??!!" There is literally nothing to fucking do in this game, but oh the devs are saving time by not doing the little job quests we used to get for every job.
They should evolve the idea of job quests to more tie into the respective cities and be more about the guilds in eorzea like the Monk reconstruction of Fist of Rhalgar, how the Viper organization works, or the evolution of Paladins/Warriors evolving past their mentors
Job quests were yet another piece of cut content that required too much "effort". Just like all of our missing dungeons, real relic content, Viera hats, and previous season PvP rewards. And we miss all of them...
Yeah, Covid and "spaghetti code" excuses were and still are way too convenient unfortunately. -.-
I want DRK quest level of writing again! That was PEAK! Also as a MCH I miss HILDA!!!
As a summoner I ask myself the same question regarding Solar Bahamut
I still wanted to find out what's Joye and Hilda doing now.
I loved job quests honestly wish they did them more like dark knight quest was so good
The sad part is, the gear you would get from job quests is now given out. They spent all that time and money creating job gear yet it's too much work to add a quest to unlock it?
Yoshi-p: "after looking at the statistics, job quest is too costly when 90% of the player base just auto skip. Rol quest is more than enough for those enjoyers".
So many characters from job quests i would love to see back, they need to bring job quests back
Shocking, but expected. Just look at the current event ongoing now compared to its predecessors over the years. There has been little investment in making the game fun for a while now. They just want to continue down the road of making an online visual novel while they invest 75% of company revenue gained from this game into nfts and other garbage nobody wants.
I would love them to bring job quests back. The issue they gave for ShB onward not having them is just having too many jobs and having that many extra quests was getting too much, but if they literally just had 3 quests instead of the usual 5/6, with shorter storylines to match (just remove the needless fluff), then you're looking at a similar number of job quests total as there were in ARR/HW.
See its dumb they dont bring these back. They dont have to be around us learning new skills. But it can actually be us mentoring up and comming jobs, solving problems, and etc
The idea that you are high enough level that you mentor the next generation of heroes is such a good concept
I been looking everywhere for lady Levava to tell her we went to the space
first time they added role quests in shadowbringers i figured it was a matter of ressource management. they just cant keep adding new classes and add more job quests. they simply dont have the capacity. which of course is insane, square should give them more manpower to expand the game.
I agree with the justification for WHY job quests weren't continued: it wasn't sustainable in the long term as they add jobs every expansion. But I think a decent workaround to this would be if, instead of ROLE quests, they put the job NPCs into groups, like their own adventuring party, and we joined them. So, say, you'd have group 1 being NPCs from DRK, SMN, SCH, and RPR being brought together (in, say, a tavern), and we'd join them on their quest to do something, and get to see them interact or something. Honestly, like long-running mini-campaigns with these characters, some of whom we actually like that can continue each expansion or something. I just wish we had more to do with them... I go back to talk to them each expansion to see if there's new dialogue with them (they addd new dialogue to some of them with ShB and EW). I mean, I think this would be a far better idea that what we got for the DT role quests...
To be fair, I fully support the role quests but only in SHB and EW. There was an actual THREAT to us, to our allies - all of them were about uniting people (or lore in the case of SHB). In DT, the "villains" are just sore losers who got too much into roleplaying a villain. Personal vendeta is fine but come on.. at least try to be menacing or evil, don´t just go around tickling people. Personally, I didn´t like any of the role quests of DT. It worked in SHB and EW so they had to copy paste it and force some "conflict", stupid as it may be.
But on the other hand when the MSQ could have benefited in the case of Endwalker patch msq it would have been amplified if they could have pulled on the building blocks that were the ShB role quest but they cannot because the player is no forced to see that content or Warring Triad.
At least we got a hand-waving explanation for Phoenix being us surrounded by light-aspected aether and that being what Phoenix was suffused in. And the three big summons can be explained with our journey to Elpis and learning the core of Creation Magic, as well as the Lopporrits knowing the true method to summoning Primals. But Solar Bahamut has zero explanation, aside from the implication that it's Hydaelyn or Bahamut's "True Form" as per Yoshi P's claim. Which was a BS spoiler-free explanation from Yoshi P because Bahamut was a regular golden dragon that otherwise looked like the rest of his siblings as per the official drawing ffxiv released of Midgardsormr's 7 spawn.
But so many of us don't like the ugly Digimon-looking summon. And I'm sure Venat is rolling in her grave seeing that THAT THING is how we perceived her
I definitely agree that they should bring back job quests. It's yet another reminder that when it comes to FFXIV, Squeenix (or at the very least Creative Studio Unit III) has been consistently striving for the absolute bare minimum for years now.
SE: "Best we can do is use your sub money for more investments into nfts and the blockchain."
Job quests were the second best part of the game outside of the story and the game hasnt felt the same without them. I know its more work for the dev team but role quests werent and arent it. I dont hate most of them but they arent as memorable or as fun as learning more lore about your class and having a real unique storyline.
Man, that Kholusia music brings back some potent memories. As somebody who started around the time of the WoW exodus, FFXIV got me through Covid and made me feel so close a community that bonded over an incredible shared journey and forged real love and hope. Now it all feels like a dream that I’ve awakened from and the sadness is hard to describe…
When I first jumped into this game , I thought 'wow this is so much better than buying job skills from the trainers'. I still feel that, but maybe half as many would be nice. Without a sort of goodbye to bookend it, Felt like the narrative just forgot about them. Kinda too late now, so a check-in quest-line would be nice at this point 📖
I think like most things they said they wanted to do it to "save time" and release other content but then its worth questioning where that content is. I miss job quests a lot and didn't find the capstone role quest to be good. The entire role quests in dawntrail were entirely forgettable. I liked the shadowbringers one since it enhanced the world but dawntrail was a snoozefest.
WHen I hit 80 on the class, and then realize, I still haven't done the job quests past getting the job.
I REALLY liked how they did crafting job quests in stormblood, where they GIVE you the materials you need.
The ShB ones and on get kinda difficult at times.
I would love to see a beast tribe version of a job where you can do a daily every day as that job, getting a job specific glam / title / minion / or whatever. Instead of what we have know where we just get the job artifact gear as soon as we hit max level.
I don't think time gating 23 jobs is very smart idea. 99.9% of player base would hate that and most would skip that gear cause you can get a crafted set 1000 times faster
@@vytasffbismarck7001 It's was purely for Glam and have nothing to do with gear progression. just a small cosmetic reward for people who really like their job. kinda like League / Rivals proficiency system. Get a shiny Job icon or something idk
@@ISS-V-X currently it is a part of gear progression, its the first set you are supposed to get once you reach the level. so what you are asking is for an additional time gated set. having two job specific sets at the same time doesn't make much sense to me but whatever
First of all artifacts is the poop gear you can get at max level even at expansion launch (just get Tome gear wtf?)it can only be part of progression once per each role because next time you max level same role so they can just share at no point should you ever use Artifact gear for a stat.
And second I never say it should be time gated make it kinda like Tank you “insert Tank job here” achievements and by purely for glam I mean Ilvl 1. They can just do same thing they did with Virtu gear from PvP (old artifact gear diff color set) and give it to us after completing set amount of duty on your job. Better yet Artifact gear with VFX as a reward. Give us job theme mount or something.
@@ISS-V-X you said you want beast tribe dailies, that's literally the most time gated content, which takes almost a month to complete. As for hard to get glamor we are gonna get it soon with new relic grind, not quite AF but that's about as close as you gonna get to grind fancy gear, just like eureka and bozjas
One possible cool way to implement the mentor thing is that they use the feature which allows you to control the actions of an NPC, thus allowing them a chance to shine for a change.
Because almost everytime the WOL is assigned a mentor role they have to do pretty much all the work in the end 😅
Issue is some of these stories are tired and would be horrendous when expanded (and the 80 job quest in ShB capped most of them pretty well). A middle ground would be to involve the characters from job quests into the role quests, but then it would require like, having most X jobs to level cap to be able to do the role quest.
I miss the job quests a lot. 🙁
Honestly, I liked more of the role quest stories than the DT msq. As silly as some of them were I felt they captured that light hearted vacation feel.
Job quests are fine just don’t link skills to them
Stormblood warrior job quest line was a complete fever dream. Idk how they follow that up.
My boy gorge and the most holy of quests
Maybe, and I'm not sure... They called Bahamut "Solar" not because Hydaelin is from the sun, but because she is in opposition of Zordiark that is on the moon. We do fight Primals summoned by Fandaniel that have "Lunar" in the name (Lunar Bahamut for exemple).
The Azem Crystal does not depit a constellation but the alchemical symbol of the sun
After having experienced Post-EW MSQ, Myths of the realm, EW MSQ and EW role quests, I am currently not excited for the current writing team to write more quests. Or should I say, I don't wanna them defile my beloved job quest NPCs.
If only the game had the tech to be able to turn the Hydelyn summon into something else until you completed the trial fight in EW, like how WOW changes lore important characters like Khadgar into "Dalaran mage" when you have Khadgar following you on a quest and you come across another player on the same quest. So there isnt two Khadgars running around.
Guess thats too much to expect of a company who is using this game to stay alive. Maybe the mobile version will add this feature and extra egi glams before we even have the chance to ask for it?
Sydonic Scribe already predicted that solar bahamut is related to hydaelyn a long time ago. Something about the WOL summoner being so strong as to create their own versions of primals
This talk of jobs reminded me that I haven’t touched the new DT jobs yet. I got done with the MSQ and have only logged in to keep my house 😅
I have said this for years ever since they removed the job quests, I always prefer unique job quests over generic role quests any day of the week, especially since I don't play one of each role meaning I will never see the conclusion of those quests, and I'm not going to level those roles for the sake of just those quests especially with how awful ffxiv's leveling is outside of the MSQ
It might be cool to have some job quests built into the relics for each expansion.
I think you are a tutor in some job quests like HW Dragoon. TBH some of the more older jobs have storylines that really overstayed their welcome and im not even talking about Paladin. I do like when they unapologetically use those characters in other content, they dont need to be Estinien level but seeing the ninja quad in the field operation zones was nice.
I'm genuinely hoping we get to see Sidurgu show up somehow, somewhere, someday. Having him sit forever in The Brume just feels like a fate he doesn't deserve.
I had hoped that the role quests would at least include the scions like in ew we got the city leaders. Y’shtola foe magic, Thancred tank, Urianger heals, Estinien melee, and G’raha did first meet us as an archer. Missed opportunity to make them relevant to be there.
Solar Bahamut is an embodiment of Hydaelyn
DT job quests were a snorefest, they felt too much like Hildibrand quests with comic reliefs in every damn cutscene
I really enjoyed the ARR and HW job quests, allthough with Stormblood it felt like they were already declining with only some being still strong.
And that's not even including the fact that you used to learn new abilities from them, which Stormblood only kept for the level 70 ones.
The biggest offender imho is the "Paladin" quest, which kind of forgot that you were actually a paladin and went back to you being a gladiator. And conveniently around that time, certain other job quests like the samurai one made gladiators - who are supposedly among the best disciples of war when it comes to raw combat skill - seem like total chumps compared to samurai. The biggest slap in the face was when Aldis was like "well, I couldn't get better as a gladiator so I became a samurai".
They done paladins dirty.
Take SCH for example…it ends on a cliffhanger. IIRC you go off in search of Lily, essentially the proto fairy which Eos and Selene are just aspects of. Its never resolved and instead “here you go here’s seraph!” Who was never mentioned lore-wise to my recollection. Makes no sense 🤷
The Job quests were uneven. Some Jobs had good ones, some had forgettable nothingburgers. I wish they'd put all the effort and budget for storytelling into the Job quests and artifact / relic obtainment and make the massively long MSQ optional.
I think they should edit the role quests of Shadowbringers to make them canon and in the MSQ along with Warring Triad before they think about any follow up to the Endwalker patch content. I also think they should do away with role quests in general because they present the same problem Crystal Tower, Alexander, The Twinning and Coils of Bahamut present when the story starts to consider things canon. If they do not make the role quests of Shadowbringers fold into the MSQ when they finally bring Zero back it will be a weaker experience for not using Unukalhai and Cyella.
As for job quests I think they would just complicate things where they have already complicated the story by making side content canon. There is also what I from a outside perspective see as a waste of resources when the game has alternate versions of cutscenes depending on if you did side content before reaching that part of the MSQ.
Hi there! Resident Summoner lover and lore buff! I have an answer for y’all about Solar Bahamut!
So as we all know, summoners have the capacity to evoke egis, aetheric entities made from aether being meticulously organized and formed together while be influenced by the ambient aether within that is absorbed by us when we fell a primal and their form dissipates. Phew! That was a mouthful! Mmmkay. So during the end of Shadowbringers we encountered Lunar Bahamut. A version of Bahamut that was gnarled and deformed by the twisted corrupt version of tempering that Anima and its towers caused. Then later, we encounter and defeat (sadly) Hydaelyn. Solar Bahamut is what happens when the Warrior of Light becomes so proficient at summoning, they construct a new Egi. One that combines the influenced nature of Lunar Bahamut with the Light and sheer power of Hydaelyn! This is why the wings are made of swords (Hydaelyn’s favorite weapon), and it summons her glyphs when using special abilities.
On a non lore level, this was their answer to giving us a non spoiler version of Hydaelyn. If sprouts saw summoners calling forth Hydaelyn, it would give away the fact that one, she’s a primal. And two, we defeat her.
Huge fan of job quests! They were very cool :] The role quests for ShB and EW were pretty good but DT was lacking severely by comparison. DT role quests made me miss job quests a lot :[
I always felt like the bahamut we had from the get go is demi bahamut or like a dark bahamut. Maybe not zodiarks but a lesser form. Solar bahamut feels like hydaelyns boon to summoners. Honestly maybe the lore is just that we beat her last expansion and we have grown to be able to incorporate her power into a summon- though summoning her wouldve been better. Now we need ashen phoenix, shiva, ramuh, leviathan + etc lol.
Please don't send me back to George (Warrior). All I wanted was for him to take a tumble down a jagged cliff.
What if Dancer went to new areas and learned new dances, even if just different animations. Nah, that's too much work for them.
I'm so mad that they got rid of job quests before Paladin ever got one.
I liked the job quests, but as someone who plays on multiple characters, they're a slog to go through over and over, and you can't skip them on secondary characters because vital skills are locked behind them.
I kinda liked the Shadowbringers ones. The EW ones were a slog and I still haven't finished them all because they are basically an hour of yapping followed by 5-10 minutes of actually doing something. I liked the physical ranged though because it was amazing seeing Yugiri and Brosetsu again. I haven't touched DT still and doubt I will for a long time. I understand they were crunched for time with SHB and EW, but that time has long since passed. Bring back the job quests.
I think the Job storylines should be brought back as Sidequests. And they don't have to be all at once. Just stick some here or there whenever a patch is light on content.
I only did 2 or 3 of the DT role quests before I cancelled my sub and I felt like they were entirely filler and were only there because people expected them to be there.
I miss class trainers and quests in WoW and wish they’d do a lot more with it. Both for wow and ffxiv I’d want them to be actually good.
Loss of job quests yet another aspect showing that perhaps multiple jobs an expansion was a bad idea in the long run.
It shoulda been hydealen. The main defense I see is People saying that summoning her would be a spoiler for new players which makes no sense. Her not actually being a giant rock doesn’t spoil anything in the story, and it could be easily explained that it’s the wols personal connection to her that let’s us summon her instead of her defeat but is not like we’re ever gonna get new smn lore anyways so whatever
They could add job quests with no story as a hall of the intermediat(id prefer a solo duty with almost EX difficulty). Fight a manifistation of the soul crystal and proof that you know the in and outs of your job. The reward will be a job specific mount. Then again this whould create allot of technical dbt with new jobs or the removal of skills
Summoners kind of break the lore. The fact we're summoning specifically the Eikons really draws a lot of questions. The fact multiple societies fell to even summon their Gods just for us to casually summon it as a Pet really makes it hard to believe in the Main Plot when you're a Summoner. Summoners if anything should have the most lore significant quests every single patch just because they're so rare in the stories setting. Lore wise the MC is one of the few Summoners in all of the world. It would make sense Hydelin would to be summoned but it also significantly undermines the entire plot of ARR. We see lots Black Mages in the forefront of the story solving the issues or Cids Technology. We never see Summoners in the Main Story and I just have a million questions as to why that is? The fact Summoner is even a class at all is still weird considering everything the main plot has been doing. Whenever I walked around the world map and did all the side quest and raid series there's clearly a lot more going on in the lore than the main story. The fact they're so disconnected makes everything much more harder to understand. The fact the entire NieR raid happens without any of the main casts is crazy. There's just so much content in FF14 that is disconnected for no real good reason. Like how is a Summoner not the main villain of the entire story? There's many plot holes with how they did their Job Quests and the overall story of FF14. There's too many factions that have no interconnection whatsoever. Dawntrail especially makes all these stories feel completely isolated from each other. All that lore and narrative build up.... For Wuk Lamant. Something had to of happened at the writers table. Once the Garlean Empire stopped being evil and all Ascians defeated they really didn't know what to do. Just started tossing cameos and references left and right with no real thought. The narrative peaked and ended with "Endwalker" so it's ridiculous how much of a filler Dawntrail story is when there's a million other things they could've done.
I dont have any particular feelings about job quests or role quests. Which I think is bad. Questing in this game is particularly dull. However, there were some fun moments in job quests where you can use skills to progress the quest.
I just wish there was more to the questing experience rather than just having hit-or-miss fetch quests just to get our capstone abilities or job gear. Escort missions as tank where you have to use your defensives on an NPC or stand in front of them for wild charge mechs would be cool. Or quests where you'd have to find some relics as black mage and cast the right spell on it based on a clue. Idk. Something more interesting than walk n talk n fight the next mob.
I liked the Dawntrail role quests because I like when FF14 goes goofy -- but yeah, I understand that I'm in the minority here. Individual job quests would be nice, so long as we get better design than the Paladin Job Quest, a job based around tanking and protecting people, that is focused on one-on-one duels.
I never did the job quests and really cared for them tbh. I do wish theyd come back and give us something worthwhile to do it for. Or- honestly my main gripe- is if they made it voice acted, id actually not skip it.
Outside of msq- if it is not voice acted- i do NOT watch it. Im not here to read all day especially when im literally missing the cutscene because by the time im done reading ive already missed whatever happened and im just staring at someone.
Job quest vs role quests dont matter. What matters is a good and engaging story behind the quest. I'd be fine with role quests, just turn them up to 100 like back with shadowbringers.
As much as I enjoyed the Role Quests in ShB and EW (DT Role quests were just not it. after the first CS when you unlock them, I knew I'd be skipping through them.) I do miss the job quests.
I think the issue is some jobs had more closure then others, each expansion would need to figure out how to keep each job going story wise plus theres the fact that theres like 19 or so jobs and counting. So personally i dont mind the role quest i just wish those roles mattered more, like the tank quest for DT you fight with another tank, like why am i even here?
We need more story content like job quests back, they can dump all the lore and story exposition in there and have a more focused msq.
Just cut all the yapping and only give us the important plot points that we need at that point.
Some mobile gatcha games have a far better story than what dawntrail had.
I always find it weird people miss job quests. Like do you remember how many of them were absolute nothingburgers? Black Mages and Paladins had absolutely nothing of significance going on with them after ARR. Some might argue Paladins didn't even have anything going on in ARR. Some were great, like Dark Knight, but those were the minority. Most job quests were absolutely nothing but a waste of time.
At least when role quests were introduced they once again had a point and a story significance. Of course that's out of the window with Dawntrail, but that's no reason to bring back something that was overall even worse. Forcing the writers to come up with storylines for every single job every single expansion is an absolute waste of dev time and resources.
My issue with job quests are how inconvenient they are
As long as abilities aren't locked behind it, just let cool gear be the reward
I think job quests were mediocre at best, and something that made leveling jobs a lot more miserable. My problem with role quests on the other hand is that the stories are still kinda uninteresting, apart from ShB ones that out of the three set of role quests we gotten so far were the best by far. Still, Im grateful to the Twelve I don't have to go through a boring uninteresting story with every single job I level.
Oh my god Square Enix! Right now you could swing a shrew blindfolded and hit 10 things people want. Do something! (and Speech bubbles is still one of them)
Do SOMEthing!
Better to have job quests than an MSQ.
Nowadays the only reason to play jobs is for the damage and how it feels to play. That is not sustainable. Every new job is increasingly obsolete. I miss when people mained jobs for their identity within the world.
This even extends to actions. Capstone actions especially used to have so much identity and that was part of what made them satisfying. Now that so many capstone skills are devoid of meaning, they are far less satisfying.
And this makes it so that leveling jobs every expansion is an annoyance instead of fun. It used to be fun to do the story incrementally, see the new actions and what they mean. Playing jobs just to experience their story was worth it. I've barely leveled any jobs to 100 despite playing the game every day. It's just not worth it to go through that just to play the jobs how they're meant to be played, when I'm never going to play them. That means that a HUGE portion of the total gameplay in 14 just doesn't exist to me.
The difference between "I'm an X job who is the hero" vs "I'm the hero who is just playing X job" is a massive difference to how immersed it feels to be in the world.
Imagine if we got an expansion with non-linear zones, and each job had their own MSQ level of writing story. Everyone travels the world experiencing it differently. You see someone on a different job and wonder why they're at place and what they're doing for their story. Everyone would be chatting with each other, talking about their stories, trying to get their friends to do the job the played next. It would feel both like an MMO and like and RPG again.
So true !
I personally didn't like job quests, but just because I don't like something doesn't mean it shouldn't be implemented for people who do enjoy it. I'd rather level, get my abilities and move to high-end, end-game content, and not waste time on job quests.
Too many jobs , too many quests to make , the quality will be garbage
I leveled an alt to 100 on another region’s data center while doing PvP. I love the unique lore in job quests, but I also appreciated how newer jobs don’t lock skills behind them; it made ARR MSQ progression way smoother. Now, my LV100 Pictomancer is fully set for everything up to Stormblood.
Less quests. Higher quality. Most of the quests in this game is not that fun to go through.
I do miss Job quests....
voice side content go back and voice old contetent would drive up replay ability
It's a crime that the weapon storyline is unvoiced.
Quick " Job Quest Tier list "
Dawntrail for me just felt like spinning wheels. The most basic amount of stuff to do with no real meat, no real weight, nothing to make any of it feel like it matters. Even the end stuff with A it was a serious matter to be sure, but I feel nothing when I think of them.
The role quests are a joke, no I mean an actual joke, a spoof, a parody of actual content.
New moves being learnt from Hydaelin would have been a nice concept, if they had committed to it. I know Solar has the seal we have known since ARR, but why? Its an empty gesture with no real meaning.
I want to stop being negative about XIV Ive not played since Sep and I miss feeling the way about the game I used to.
but you can't go home again.
I'm fine with job quest as long as they dont lock skills behind it.
This is my thoughts on it, they are great for stories unique to your job... but for the love of god don't make me stop what im doing to spend a load of time unlocking a core skill (especially as some of the job quests are quite long). Hell give cool rewards like job specific cosmetics or other things that are fun, but not required to function as a class.
i think canocically they should not, at some point WoL just makes up their own shit.
@@lunatic447that would be cool to see them evolve jobs and develop new skills the jobs never had before post lv100
Abilities just randomly getting added to kit doesn't feel as good as being explained by lore thats for sure.
Please understand. 10 yen indie company with billions of dollars. Must fund FF7 remakes and suck off consoles (Sony) instead of making money and improving their cashcow. They are doing this out of spite partially. I guarantee you
I liked ShB and EW rolequest but DT was really bad for me. Story made no sense to me.
Trouble with so many jobs, is if they're not invested in making it 'good', most of them will likely feel phoned in.
Given that Zepla finds the prospect of doing 5 role questlines daunting, can't imagine 20 job questlines would be better received.
Job quests aren't sustainable. The number of job quests that they would need to create increases every expansion.
I'd rather they used to dev time to create more meaningful repeatable content instead of a bunch of one and done quests. My main problem with Endwalker is that they sank way too many resources into one and done stuff like Hildy and Tataru and we spent 90% of the expansion just having nothing to do.
Oh man, it would be so hard for the little indie company to keep up!
@@palladiamorsdeus90% of the time the complaint of it being unsustainable is just flat out wrong but the real argument is if its worth the time more than if they could. I wouldn’t want to see them return if they cant manage to write engaging story for it.
A cool idea would be if they didn’t want to write stories for every one of the jobs they could give us a revamped replacement for the FC Squadrons system where you build up a guild recruiting members using them in dungeons and using the systems from Island Sanctuary to build a new guild hall like place for the job of your choosing