HOW MANY LINES?! | Zepla checks out the 2.0-7.1 MSQ Dialogue Analysis [Final Fantasy XIV: Dawntrail]
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5 expansions of existence only for Krile's most spoken words to end up being "Wuk Lamat" 💀
In what was meant to be Krile's expansion to get any amount of time in the spotlight, this is diabolical.
That's the real kicker for me. Our girl was named dropped back in ARR and we finally met her in HW and several expansions later this is her legacy? Completely unacceptable.
They did my girl dirty. Like wtf.
So much for her having a LARGER role.
Thats insane 😭
im pretty sure we're all living in the wrong timeline
Krile's most common word: Wuk Lamat
That's actually the most insane tidbit to me
The biggest problem with Krile is she's always defined by the central figure of any plot she's involved in. In ARR and HW she's "Minfillia's friend", in SB she's the medium through which Zenos acquires ultimate power and in EW she's Hydaelyn's microphone. ShB might be the only time she proactively exercised any personal agency by taking charge of the Scion organization and recruiting mercenaries like Estinien to forestall the 8th umbral calamity long enough for the WoL and friends to get through the Tempest and vanquish Solus. Her story arc in DT felt entirely secondary and tacked on to Erenville's story when it should have been the other way around.
Wuk Lamat will have more lines than Alisaie by 7.3.
A character who was on the carriage with us at the beginning of the game.
And Blue Alisaie. He's been very quiet this expansion.
Sad they made this expansion revolve around Wak Lamat. No other character in any expansion got this much attention or dialogue. Still trying to understand why 😂😂
But was absent for most of ARR and HW
@@cosmosofinfinity Sure, but even if you removed those entirely, it's still 20 patches to 2.
Alisaie has been a presence in the game for 10x the amount of content as Wuk Lamat. 8 years of story compared to 7 months.
@@IronBearVA She's a writer self-insert. If you've ever been into reading fanfiction, she has all the hallmarks of an author self-insert.
A character that has been in only 1 expansion, ranks 3rd for most dialogue out of 6 expansions... Jesus...
The exp isn't even done yet either.
As someone who started playing right when Dawntrail released, it was jarring how much they pushed this one character after hundreds of hours of featuring fairly balanced cast of characters. It felt like a night and day difference once I got into the Dawntrail MSQ
@@matrixcom69 She'll be second place by the end unless they go hard with Alisaie.
Wuk Lamat is that one guy in your D&D campaign that thinks he’s playing by himself and talks over everyone.
i like WL but i agree she is fairly basic. She says a lot of the same stuff over again and retreads ground the whole expansion (havent played post DT yet tho)
@ post is a lot more enjoyable. At least what we have so far.
If this doesnt prove that Wuk is someone's super special awesome OC that everyone in the world needs to love...I do not know how else to phrase it. In short... that writer is the "that guy DM" who crafts a story for themselves not for the group to enjoy.
Jesus Christ, Wuk Lamat talks more in ONE expansion than almost anyone else in the game since 2.0 with the exception of the twins.
And they legit saw NOTHING bad with that.
and the expansion isnt even fully done yet lol that was just 7.0/7.1, lord have mercy
@@VantaBlack216 Yeah, she's 100% surpassing Alisaie by 7.3
to be fair, Alisaie doesn't talk to you till 3.4 (this is counting just MSQ, so coils don't count)
also it's kind of odd with the other scions like Thancred and Y'Shtola aren't really a part of Stormblood or Heavensward so that also reduces their lines.
but even with that, it's still insane how much she talks this expansion
I really have to appreciate that at the bottom of the list, I realize that they made me feel the way I do about Elidibus in only 10,744 words. Simply incredible.
Truly doing more with less. Brevity is the soul of wit, as the old saying goes
We didn’t deserve Themis.
Wuk Lamat having so much to say, while saying nothing meaningful at all.
You can only talk about how much you love peace and happiness so many times...
@@ToxicCalamari1 more time...
I showed this to someone and they went "So Wuk Lamat, really just never stfu huh"
I mean, they ain’t wrong though XD
The statistics do not lie lmao
Damn, Wuk Lamat using almost 5% of the ENTIRE msq's lines to say that she loves peas is crazy
It really feels like Yoshi P and Ishikawa took a vacation and handed writing to 4th graders for 7.0. They obviously weren't monitoring any progress during drafting, story boarding, and production. I feel a bit betrayed.
Them doing FF16 and other projects has had this effect on the game
@@Ourenthey were working on shadowbringers and endwalker the entire time ff16 was in development
Now compare that with Emet in ShB: He only started interacting with us halfway through the MSQ, yet from mid-SHB until the post-Hades cutscene, with less than a fifth of the lines Wuk has, he managed to capture the communities hearts. Or SHB Hythlodaeus, just there for a single MSQ cutscene, yet so well written and so much better received.
I never want to see or hear "Wuk Lumat" after Dawntrail.
I mean compare that to Emet lines and it felt he said so much more stuff with impact.
And his count is both SHB and EW, if you just count SHB it's more like 300
issue is wuk lamat is only ever saying the same thing over and over "muh love of peace" and "we need to talk things through"
Yes, a lot of meaningful stuff and memorable lines, I miss him xD
Heavensward as an entire expansion and each of its characters said more than Dawntrail and any of its characters did. We need to go back to Heavensward, not just in terms of gameplay now, but story. It's gotten way too bloated, and for no real benefit
It's the narrative rule of, "less is more." If he tagged along with us for an entire expansion without rest and had something to say about every single thing that happened, it'd drag down his character. It's always a good idea to use fan favorites sparingly, or they cease to be as beloved.
...That, and Ishikawa just knows how to write dialogue and characterization better than whatever the hell the Dawntrail writing team did.
Yoshi-P must have been drunk or off his meds when he played DT... only way to explain him not noticing the udder saturation of Wuk Lamat in the story and screen time
Utter
@@RogsnutleLet him cook
@@RogsnutleLet him cook. Needed more milk
Get saturated by my udders
utter
Meanwhile Yoshi-P's response is "We feel like we misrepresented her, so we're going to include her in even more content so that players can get to know her"
As always, Yoshi-P is completely disconnected from the player base
he didn't play through it once, clearly. He was told to say what they needed him to say for pr sake.
It wasnt this way back in Heavensward its papa Square Enix playing him like a puppet
@@nord5802 And ironically, Heavensward has the least lines BY FAR and yet it's actively one of the most beloved expansions alongside Shadowbringers.
That means the expansion achieved so much with characters talking far less.
Yoshi wonders what happened as he silenced two of the most popular characters in Y'shtola and Thancred. Come on, man.
Wuk Lumat is the self-insert character your DM plays to show off to all the players at a D&D table.
Kriele was shafted.
Justice for my baby with an attitude.
Example, Xenos, we know his desire and motivations, in spite of him barely talking, and him being introduced in a relatively poorly recieved expansion. The character was written effectively.
It helps he was a physically domineering presence. He was introduced as a literal juggernaut, kicking even OUR ass after everything we've accomplished.
Hell, one of my favorite moments of his in the entire game was him saying nothing at all. When Alisaie simply told him to his face that he'd never get what he wants by just disregarding the intentions of others, and his only response was the most SUBTLE of eyebrow furrowing on a, "blink and you'll miss it," kind of level. Taking into account who he was and how much he stonewalled the words of others prior, it spoke so loudly even while he said absolutely nothing, and perfectly set up his later actions. Enough words to fill an entire monologue can be contained within a single facial expression at times; and especially in a visual medium, it's often far more effective to do so when possible.
- Be (officially) introduced in 3.0 as Alphinaud's mentor and a great scholar of Sharlayan, as one of the brightest minds of the Students of Baldesion;
- Is the adopted daughter of one of the greatest minds of Sharlayan ever and has the Echo;
- Plot relevant to many, many happenings of the world, including Alexander, Eureka, and entry to Sharlayan;
- Has been a pivotal character to ensure the safety of all of Eitherys;
- Debatebly the reason we could even access Alexandria and move the bigger plot of Dawntrail;
- Most spoken word/phrase in 8 years of existence: "Wuk Lamat".
Krile wasn't just done dirty, she was absolutely obliterated as a character. Though my first MSQ playthough of DT wasn't all bad, something always felt weird and off as i went through it and my opinions and feels of it seem to just get worse and worse as time passes. I really hope and believe they can turn this all back around into an amazing experience and story as we've had before, as they've shown they can do some of the most emotionally moving and interesting stories in gaming (including gameplay too).
at this point i believe they will make her sacrifice herself like Papalymo before 7.5 because reasons.
Remember when Yoshi P swore she was extremely important and even emphasized her outfit change?
Bro Wuk has more lines than Y'shtola already?? This is insane!!!
That's on a single xpac, that's bewildering.
@@Xport9it’s fucking crazy that the only two people above are basically the two “main” characters of the game… and even Alisaie is only like 100 lines above her.
It might be okay if she wasn’t also a pretty dogshit character.
@@ArCSelkie37
Opinion: I think Wuk Lamat is a pretty decent addition. Her writing could be better, though. She was fine during the introduction in EW, no idea what happened to DT.
Problem: She's essentially front and center of the story, that even WoL, you, is sidelined and is a janitor for her to do her laundry list of things. It's even more stranger when you look at that.
@ the concept of someone like Wuk Lamat is fine, as in having a major NPC you go along with to experience a new area with you… but the execution is awful.
And sadly a hypothetical good Wuk is sorta irrelevant.
I mean, yshtola wasn't around for all of base HW, most of Base SB, and DT. She's not the "main character" of the expansion, so she's at most in 1/3 the cutscenes of any other expansion, at best.
I still can't believe Koana was gonna sacrifice himself for a cow. We should have let him at that point and get it over with lol
Yes. That part is so unbelievably stupid.
I felt like I was having a fever dream in that patch. Listening to him talk about "the head of wisdom is not without resolve!" in battle while making the most profoundly after school cartoon decision to do that like... was this wisdom written by a kid 😭
uhhh can you blame him? can you imagine having to had to deal with wuk lamat for ~20 years before we got there?
But did they talk to wuk lamat to make sure before posting that?
"Zeblah... lisn to meeeeh"
Best make that xbra'al first.
The thing is this: They all thought the community would LOVE wuk lamat. I dont think we were gaslit, I think Yoshida was gaslit by the people in charge of writing the story... I feel like it was entirely done by a separate team...
I know by the time most players had finished DT 7.1 and 7.2 were likely already in stone so to speak...
But if wuk is stull suffocating us by 7.3 then the devs have learned nothing. Having as much lines of dialog in 1 expac as alisae has in 6 is insulting.
And god poor krile... why do the devs hate her so?
I keep hoping that the yoshi interview where he said we will get more wuk lamat and that we didnt like her cuz of her lack of confidence (what) was a mistranslation...
Ya, we followed her around, which meant she was in 98% of the cutscenes. Alisae, if we wanna be technical, has probably been in 2 expansions worth of cutscenes.
Technically Alisaie barely appears in ARR (outside of Coils of Bahamut) and HW (only reappearing by 3.3 or 3.4 iirc) but that does not make it much better
@@Heldemon we followed Lyse around for a vast majority of stormblood, same with Hien, and combined they both don't even have the same amount as Wuk
@vincentbeton fair point on ARR honestly but she definitely starts speaking more in 3.X quests
@@Heldemon And yet she has more lines than Estinien and Aymeric in Heavensward, Lyse and Hien in Stormblood, Crystal Exarch in Shadowbringers, etc.
What's your excuse then?
This is why, as Zepla also alludes to, I call it the Expansion of Missed Opportunities.
The huge gap between Yok Tural and Xak Tural wasn't explored, Krile's backstory sidelined, how Tural experienced the looming Final Days... So many great opportunities squandered.
jesus christ i was wondering why people were hating on this character so bad (i am only in endwaker) and suddenly it all makes sense. are new players going to have to power through all 3k+ (surely 5+k by the end of the xpac) lines of wuk dialog forever more now? because that blows lmao
yoshi-p please enjoy your musclecat mommy on your own time jfc
If FFXIV isnt dead after disastrous 7.x patches and a 8.0 that doesnt kill FFXIV people should give the advise to people to play EW and then buy story skip to not suffer the shitshow that DT is.
Or depending on how worthwhile 8.0 and beyond turns out to be, common wisdom may even become to play the game up until the end of 6.55 and then just stop entirely. 😂
My imagination did a lot of heavy lifting to get me through DT I’ll say that much lmao.
The problem is not the amount of lines that Wuk has, the problem is what/how/when she's saying them.
@@donmarelio this is the way.
Maybe raha giving us the chance to say idk in 6.55 was a warning
That gave me false hope that she wouldn't be center of DT. Going into it on launch I was actually thinking we would have a chance to support another candidate
We still have yet to hang out with him properly. EW alluded to it, and DT was suppose to be his thing, but he's almost nowhere to be found. What is going on with the writing team? Lol.
@@gregorysmith9114 Wouldn't that be great a branching story that actually maybe changed the story slightly, I know it's a crazy concept for an RPG to have choice but damn that would be awesome.
3rd most lines in the game? I want a divorce from wuk lamat HELP
we all do, we should all go on a break till 8.0 and pray she's gone by then
I'd more prefer to be widowed.
Her actual word count being much lower than the characters around her also indicates that she's frequently butting into dialogues to say very little. No wonder a lot of Dawntrail's dialogues felt like they were dragging on while saying nothing.
I'm reminded of when Erenville is speaking with this Mom, coming to terms with things in that flower field only for Wuk to come in like "Hey this looks fun!" and derail the whole scene.
@@ToxicCalamari and then do the LITERAL EXACT SAME THING to krile and her parents.
Give Wuk the Moeynbryda treatment. NUFF SAID!
if we could have moenbryda in wuk's place that would be ideal 🤣
Man give Moenbryda some respect, don't put her in the same sentence as the rat and you misspelled her name booo gtfo
@@lycalohex do you really want that? I mean they kind of could have done that had they not established her death in Endwalker... prior she could have been brought back easily since her death was less definitive than Zenos in Stormblood and yet he came back. But on the other hand with the reflections and time travel involved they could use any excuse to bring anyone dead back.
@@SiriusPharos spoilers
@ oh no, dw, i don't genuinely want moenbryda to take wuk lamat's place! i think they wrapped things up perfectly with moenbryda and she definitely served her purpose narratively. i'm just joking about it because personally i liked moenbryda a lot more than wuk and would have loved to see more of a character like moenbryda as opposed to wuk. but i totally understand the confusion! my bad for not clarifying 💕
I can’t wait for 8.0 and never hear about Wuk Lamat and/or Tural ever again.
In all honesty, I think that either the writer had a massive hate-boner for Ishikawa, wanted to re-write the entirety of 14 or wanted to put their own self insert into the game. Of course, it was probably all of the above.
In my personal head canon, I get the feeling the Yoshi P was told from higher up at SE to let the new people show their stuff.
There's just one issue with that.
Yoshi P IS the higher up. He's not only the leader of the whole dev team, he's a head honcho in Square Enix itself and one of the core guys in the group that handles EVERY Final Fantasy and figures out how to handle their development. At WORSE, there's 1 or 2 people above him.
@@AzureRoxe YEP.
YoshiP gets the call on what happens with FFXIV, since he's the handler of said product, and the fact that it's quality is marred with almost lazily written story and the game's quality, is very telling on where his headspace is right now.
Erenville getting more lines than Estinien also bothers me 😮
the people in this expansion talked too much and did too little. there's no reason erenville should have that many lines, let alone wuk lamat. the dialogue was overwhelming!
Estinien is not a person of many words and most of the time is away while Erenville also acted as a sort of narrator besides his normal conversations, so its "reasonable" the ammount of lines he gets
Yeah, not an Erenville fan at all, he seemed like a throwaway character that should have stayed that way and had too much focus even in Endwalker
@@masterblaster5186 Erenville has almost the same personality. Estinien was almost a protagonist in Heavensward, even with the narrator role it makes no sense for me that Erenville got more lines.
AND PEOPLE (including yoshiP) WONDER WHY PEOPLE HATE WUK LAMAT LOL (and htis is because of the character prioritisation and scripting being really bad. i wanna point this out because zepla started to meme on people syaing 'i hate wuk lamat' which is over simplifying a whole community lmfao. i hate her because of how badly they did everything, i think it's pretty obvious when peopel say they hate a character its because of the writing and so on)
The expansion isn't over. There's still a chance for first place.
12,183 lines of diologue in DT and Wuk is 1/4th of it, wow
Are you kidding me.. I knew it was super bad but this is just absolutely baffling. What the hell were they thinking (if they were thinking at all)?
Some characters have been there since 2.0, and they don't even have half the lines that Wuk does. That is wild!
No. Don't ever be apologetic for your dislike of Wuk Lamat. Yes, it's true, she's a symptom of bad writing, not the cause of the bad writing. But, to keep with the medical analogy, it is the symptoms of any illness that discomfort you the most. Not the illness itself. She's the "tank" for the bad writing. It's only natural that she gets all the aggro. Especially with how the writers so obviously tried to poorly use her as a tool for their story's progression. If you want to criticize the writers, you first attack their most used tool. In this case, Wuk Lamat.
This is what happens when you let the writer put their self-insert fanfiction into the MSQ
In reference to the amount of lines in HW, one famous quote comes to my mind which goes something like, "If I had more time, I would have written a shorter letter." Which just goes to show that how much people talk in the recent expansions, yet say so little. In my opinion, the best writing was for the Crystal Exarch in ShB. His every line felt like it was written and then re-written and distilled by poets or literary experts. The vocabulary he uses, the phrasing, the idioms, the structure and add to that, an excellent delivery by the VA, in my opinion, makes G'raha's lines in ShB as some of the best works in this game so far.
I really have to wonder how this happened. And what they were trying to accomplish with the character. Like a child could even tell that the character was overwhelmingly made so suffocating in how they were implemented. They wanted this character to be huge and this is what proved it. Out of the whole 5 expansions she had more dialogue than most of the characters that have been in the game since day 1 how!?!?
Edit: even out of all the hours of voiced cutscenes as well
In short...This is Yoshi P's Jar Jar Binks
I doubt even in heindsight after 20 years that Wuk will be liked or meme'd fondly as George Lucas Jar Jar...
Because most of those character aren't in half the expansion's, and in the ones they are, they aren't the "main character" so they'll be in 1/3rd the cutscenes of an expansion and not have nearly as much to say in the ones they are in.
holy jeez.. no wonder i was sick of Wuk Lamat after 7.0 ..
they compressed all of an entire Alphinaud's dialogue across all the expansions into 1 expansion for her.
edit: wait that' says 5000 lines.. not 3000 for Alphinaud.. lol.. make that Alisaie instead
And since the expansion is still a few main patches from ending, Wuk Lamat will easily surpass Alisaie.
@@AzureRoxe ohhh mann.. .lol
The writers really bungled up with Wuk Lamat, trying to develop her way too fast, in a story that achieved such success because it took its time with developing its characters.
Take Alphinaud for instance. In ARR the general opinion ranged from 'tolerated' to 'disliked', only for Heavensward to knock him off his high horse and undergo some serious development.
And that's the issue with Wuk Lamat. Instead of giving her time to cook, they shove her down our throat while she's still raw, while barely letting us sample anything else before getting right back to her. Any flaws she may have are consistently downplayed. Big mistake, as she really needs a 'Crystal Braves' moment like Alphinaud had. Imagine if he got coddled like she's been.
The thing to focus on is not just how much Wuk Lamat speaks, but how like 8/13 of the other characters on the list have some form of Wuk Lamat as their top 3 spoken words.
So it really is the case of "When Wuk Lamat isn't on screen, everyone should be asking 'Where's Wuk Lamat?'"
This is absolutely the case of someone's pet character and some form of toxic positivity within the company not stopping it. The amount of pure favoritism of this character is insane. I know for a fact there had to even still be several rewrites especially from how many scenes seemed like they'd be voiced but then weren't. That screams that they added it last moment and couldnt pull VA back in. Same with Yshtola's poor VA quality.
I'm also gonna go out on a limb and say that since the CBU3 are so fearful of negative player feedback, that whole "FFXVI is bigoted" event from not featuring more dark skinned characters in 16 might have actually affected them.
So for Dawntrail they likely had people telling them "Oh you don't want to have the scions help the local natives with anything, the scions shouldn't be the ones to save them, it should all be Wuk Lamat. Or else you'll be told that you're bigoted for making a white savior story". So they just went along with it. That's legit the only thing that makes sense to me. They must have noticed it might not go well.
So basically.... Sweet Baby Inc Gave them the good ole struggle snuggle session to tell CBU3 on how to make the game more the modern audience.
felt like Wuk only referred to us as "hey you" most of the game
After doing hard frequency analysis, we get the final result, which is translates as word "Wuk Lamat" 🙂Now I know what there will be ahead when I sometimes travel forward from Stormblood...
In my own opinion, The major issue is Squares attitude towards thier products, they are no longer a company filled with passionate people that want to make new games because they love the medium and want to make new exciting experiences for people to enjoy.
They are simply a dollar printing factory who will try anything they possibly can to make another quick buck no matter tha back lash and good will it destroys,
The reality is that FF14 is just the biggest and most lucrative cash cow the company has and unless they start to actually take a major financial hit nothing will change. And even if that does light a fire uner thier butts i dont know if i trust Square to deliver a quality product anymore.
This makes me laugh. I told people that the writers were shoving Wuk Lamat into scenes she had no reason to be in. Now look where we are. haha
Fingers crossed that if Wuk Lamat keeps trying to be the Main Character, she will soon adopt our defining trait of just nodding at everything too.
Anyways, I am actually surprised Tataru ended up so low. She rarely stays in the spotlight, but she has short appearances all the time yet they barely add up I see
Alphinaud yaps a lot in Heavensward, but he never felt so overbearing given the quality of the writing and of the characters (Ysayle and Estinien primarily but also Aymeric and Lucia).
This is what I think should be the aim of each expansion - give us a good ensemble of distinct characters that contribute to the plot in meaningful ways. I really hope they take that feedback on board in 8.0.
20:38 wait hold on. They planned a Garlemald expansion and scrapped it ?? That's unfortunate news to me. Now I'm even more bummed out.
Wrapping up Garlemald in 1 chapter was certainly super rushed, I bet they had all sorts of plans. However the way they did it was good enough. Endwalker had a lot of story to wrap up in 1 expansion.
I mean, they didn't do an entire Garlimald expansion, but they had major parts in all the previous expansions anyway, and wrapped it up with "there's literally nothing left anyway" so it's fine? I don't really see what else they could do honestly - exploring dominated lands? They already did that in stormblood
Such a missed opportunity 😢 I think it would’ve been a good expansion too. Guess sill settle for Meracydia expansion next I think.
We were told that we'd have a Garlemald expansion and get to explore it fully pretty much since their Heavensward streams, it was one of the core things everyone looked forward to in the future.
@@jamesgregory3169 Them being involved and us actively exploring their lands and capital isn't the same thing in the slightest.
Idk how you're so dumb that you don't realized that.
Dawntrail is the only expansion where I think it would have been a detriment to have the entire MSQ fully voice acted, just because of Wuk... Can you imagine, not only having Wuk around all the time, but also having to listen to all of it? Which is actually quite sad, I really like Sphenes voice actor, I wouldn't have minded having her entire dialogue fully voice acted.
No i dont think hate is an overreaction to wuk lamat. I imagine that if she was a real person, and she came over your house, how many times would she be able to do that before you start to slam the door in her face and completely avoid her? Especially if she is gonna come to you in the middle of the night or drag you across the city just to say some of the things she said...
I think after the first visit, she would've no longer been invited to my house. Second visit i would start to actively avoid her. And past that, i would be actively hostile. You dont get to wear out your welcome as much as she does, and me still showing good will. But im anti-social, and i cant handle people as clingy? As her. She would drive me insane.
"You want to learn about your grandfather Krile?...Nah lmao."
"Krile learned about where she came from!...Offscreen!...But hey have an echo cutscene lmao"
"Here is an earring by your grandfather. Only our new character's nephew can use it by the way so good job being the delivery girl for the characters who matter lmao."
"Here are your parents. Anyway here is some ice cream now say goodbye to them and move on...oh, you want to learn about the Milala? That's fine, we can do that, by the way we're going to have Wuk Lamat complaining the entire time because "me not smart" is funny lmao"
"Big and key part of the Dawntrail story" and it's just the biggest middle finger possible to the people who actually wanted to see more of Krile. They even topped it off by making Krile's most said word in all her years in-game be Wuk Lamat. Dawntrail really did my girl Krile dirty with how they used her and it seems like the devs just REALLY don't like her at all and they made that pretty clear if that is the case.
I honestly think it was a complete blunder to elevate Ishkawa to an Executive Position. Its clear that she's more of a "in the trenches" kind of person over a "strategist" type. The proof is just how this Fan Fiction of a script was approved with little to no guidance from Ishkawa herself. She allowed this writing team to push through their OCs and sideline the player when the reality has been the Player is the main character of the story.
Wonder where Wuk would place if you remove the amount of times she repeats herself
I haven't touched DT yet despite buying it on release because the post-EW story has bored me half to death and at this point I just don't know how I'm going to make it through. Story used to be my favorite aspect of this game. And now it feels like homework.
Post endwalker was miserable story and content wise
@@OfficialDjTalksick Yeah, I almost can't believe I'm still trudging through it? I kept hoping it would get better, but it's gotten consistently worse, and the thought of tackling DT at this point knowing that it embodies everything I hate about post-EW genuinely makes me wonder why I bothered even buying the expansion. I've occupied myself with deep dungeon and PVP, because those are both things I've always enjoyed, but I have genuinely never dreaded touching MSQ until now, and it kind of breaks my heart :( Yoshi P's apathetic response to the criticism has only deepened my belief that I just shouldn't bother. If the people who make the game don't care, why in the world should I, you know?
@@OfficialDjTalksick And DT somehow managed to be worse in all aspects.
Story sucks absolute ass and the content amount is laughable, made even worse with them now doing 1 patch almost every 5 months only.
@@RiseInAfterlife still feel redeeming garlemald was a mistake
A society built on the oppressed and propaganda who feared demigods being summoned suddenly are just cool with us after two days
I get the people were never at fault but they had generals willing to delete themselves for the empire along with all their men
I’d rather them use one of them named houses making a power play after the defeat of zenos and the former emperor for the post patch content
But naw let’s be lazy and make ff4 references and then make an expansion that is just an ff9 reference we hammered in for no logical reason
This level of overexposure, of focus, is like they put someone that had barely written a fanfic in charge of such an important charge...
Narrative was everything: And we get some amateurish watpad worthy level of basic character, common writting errors and in the process damaged most likely irreversibly a 10 year worth progress. That Krile most spoke words are "Wuk Lamat" made me cry, is so unfair, so bad, i don't know what the fan base did to deserve this.
Wuk Lamat also destroyed the world-building, she is so overwhelmingly exposed to everything in this expansion: what was supposed to be world-building became merely another way to expose more of Wuk Lamat which non-sensically knows absolutely nothing of her own world - which she wants to lead. Thus Tuliyollal never develops, the maps themselves are just there for Wuk Lamat.
I live with the Andes right out my window, i feel like the whole world was completely wasted on her coming of age journey. I was so hyped for visiting a south american inspired region but it all got completely eclipsed by Wuk Lamat.
10 year old characters, a brand new world, nothing of it was worth since Wuk Lamat permeates everything - I thought this was our future, our story.
its a fan fic of a girl boss troon furry, its beyond cringe
Yoshi P once said that FFXIV is heavily inspired by WoW, yet one of the biggest mistakes WoW did in Wrath of the Lich King was its overexposure of Arthas, who appeared a bunch of times throughout the questline and dungeons.
Somehow Yoshi P looked at that and said "let's do it, but FAR worse".
The moblin culture didn't make sense either. They kidnapped people and enslaved them. Suddenly a person shows up and says 'Hey, don't enslave people.' And on a dime these people just.... Change.
I'm sorry but change doesn't just happen like that. We've seen how people are slow and/or stubborn to change in their ways in the course of FF14's story itself, not even pulling from RL as a source for this.
And that's just commenting on the moblin culture, leaving out basically ALL of the rest of the Dawntrail story.
In the earlier expansion, The Characters were talking TO US , the WoL.
Now?
The game is talking to Itself with Itself...
The writing is horrendous.
I agree with most of your points except the “it’s weird to hate Wuk Lamat”
It’s a fictional character that grew to be vastly obnoxious for me, just because I grew to actually hate having to interact with her does not mean it’s a personal attack on anyone besides *that* character and *that* experience.
Not on the writing team, not on the people that found her endearing, not on anyone. She is fiction.
It would be weird to not have emotions about her in general. XIV’s story and its ability to incite feeling is/was its biggest selling point.
It’s equally ok to absolutely adore her as it is to be properly repulsed. 🤔
Broke Lamat. “PAAAHHHHPAAAHHHH”
PEAS AND HAP PEA NESS!
wuk lamat said calmly
That’s Wuk Toomuch
Reminder that Yoshi P has said a few times that they start writing the story for each expansion 2 years ahead of its release. I believe they finish it early in the expansion, but I dpn't have a concrete memory of that being mentioned.
Thinking about that and the stuff SE was pushing at the time, I'm beginning to think some people were right.
He did not play DT to its entirety, likely.
This is what I think happened. Same with any of the other devs - not one of them sat down and played 7.0 in its entirety. They might all have played a few quests here and there (out of order) to test stuff out, but nobody tested what the player experience was going to be. Maybe Wuk Lamat talks... a decent amount for any given quest, but when you put the whole experience together it compounds like crazy into this character who won't leave you alone and refuses to stfu.
lol the fact that Yoshi P himself saying maybe we misunderstood her and they need to address her more in the story was the very telling
The irony is none of this would be a problem if Wuk Lamat was actually a well written character. We'd be loving it. Instead it's a disaster we can't escape from throughout the whole Dawntrail MSQ.
There is 0 chance Yoshi-P played through this. They are coasting on goodwill and seeing how much they can get away with and still keep subs going, that's about it. This is the abuse phase of the FFXIV community that WoW-players went through. Kind of sad I quit before Shadowlands to see this game go to that as well.
I'd honestly love to see any dev or even Yoshi-P himself play through the entire game without skipping and not complaining about anything, especially in DT. There is no way they touched it and were content about it to ship it off.
But like you said, this does feel like Shadowlands to me (since I quit near the end of it to try FFXIV). At least Shadowlands had Sire Denathrius who was a pretty damn good villain that needed more screen time and the zones were interesting. Can't remember a single zone in DT...nor a single character but Wuk and Sphene...Koana I guess. Yeah that's it.
@@AukaisihirKoana needed more time, his VA was a lot better than Wuk Lamat’s
@@Izigurand And he had far better character growth, even if we can ignore he almost got himself killed just to save a damn cow...
@Izigurand I would had been more interested probably if he was in the spotlight yeah.
@ Too bad his autonomy got stolen by being tempered by Wuk Lamat
It's just absolutely insulting at this point. How the characters we care about got treated in Dawntrail and had to go along with the dumb Orange Cat the writer loved so much and her stupid plans.
Also, so many lines and not one worthwhile thing said in all of those.
Cause I can't, for the life of me, remember a single good thing Wuk Lamat said.
Only wasting my time and patience with peace, tacos and Speeeeen.
Where are all the "wuk lamat was not the problem" crowd?
A legend to surpass the Minfillia memes
Ironically Zepla was one of them when Wuk absolutely was one of the core problems alongside the horrid writing.
Y'shtola is literally the representative of the game in stuff like Dissidia and Theatrhythm, how the hell did Cheetahmen Action 52 overtake her in dialogue in just one or two patches lmao
If I'm being super generous I guess I could be charitable and say that it's just a side-effect of the voice acting getting more and more expansive per expansion? But even then, all of us were asking for more Scion voiced dialogue, and we were all making jokes about how they must've all gotten too expensive and prolific as actors now for smoll indie megacorp to afford. Oh, wait.
Article: "Square Enix has confirmed that it has cancelled a number of unannounced game projects because they don’t fit with its new strategy."
"The new report says profits were down nearly 70% from the previous year, partly due to “the recognition of ¥22,087 million ($141 million) in losses on disposal of content as an extraordinary loss”.
According to the report, these losses were based on “the termination of development efforts for some key pieces of content in the Digital Entertainment segment”, essentially meaning game cancellations."
lololololololol
The amount of Wuk lines is too damn high!
Yeah, I would have rather had an expansion of just our character and this random major character, when written well and we slowly get to like, adventuring and just exploring some new land.
Wuk Lamat needs to disappear.....she is like cousin Oliver from the Brady bunch.......she's destroying the game
Legit, I can't go through patch MSQ cause of her.
I like how Urianger ranks 59 less lines than Krile, but 2,595 more words
I don't think he played it. Quite a lot of this same problem where characters say a lot about nothing is in FF16 as well. Same studio, same bad standards and bad QA.
Modern day writing is so shit, this just goes to prove it. Hiroi needs to be banished back to the shadow realm, where he only is allowed to make side quests. Also, Yoshida is so full of shit, calling her a 'complex character.'
While I can get what you're saying about critiquing the writing instead of the character, with Wuk, our only frame of reference is the one presented to us. An idealized Wuk isn't canonical.
Also we're not Jedi. It's okay to hate a fictional character. It won't make us fall to the dark side.
Tbh, what I ended up hating about Wuk wasn't even her dialogue. It was her attitude and her facial expressions.
And the devs wonder why ppl are sick of her already... Not to mention the majority of her lines are just mostly her whining... though to be fair, she is in 6.5 as well, so 1 base expac and 2 of the .x, and she has 3rd most lines and 5th most number of words said...
It feels vindicating have Zepla back. Reminded of why they were the best XIV vids and content. Great mix of insight and cosy entertainment. Just a real shame that insight doesn't have anything much positive it can find. Giving Zepla something positive to enthuse about week be one of best things about the game getting it's sh1t back together.
All is far from lost and can quickly be fixed if CU3 start making small changes and just keep that momentum up. But they've got no room to move in the wrong direction anymore. No more tone deaf content choices, no more silence and poor response in the face of major crises like Stalkergate.
The characterization (and not character) stuff really makes a ton of sense. That was something I noticed but never had a name for throughout dawntrail. Good distinction
It makes sense that Wuk Lamat has the 3rd most lines of any character, because it felt like Dawntrail's story took about as long to get through as the rest of the game combined. Guess all it took was 3,077 lines to shatter the confidence in a beloved franchise.
HW had the most impactful and emotionally gripping story of them all and did it in the fewest amount of words.
The best expansion by a long shot, and they knew how to tell that story with player being involved
damn that sucks if we were supposed to get a Garlamald Expansion cause I WANT THAT ARMOUR SETTTTTTTTT
so it's wild when they analyze the lines from Dawntrail and of couse Wuk Lamat is the number one "word" said but when then you see that not only is her proper name number one but also Third Promise (Wuk Lamat) and Lamaty'i (Wuk Lamat) are also all in the top 20 words that puts times she's referred to by name or title at 481 which is only exceeded now for top word in any one expension by the number of times the Warrior of Light is referred to in ARR
Reading 3.5 expansion's worth of Wuk Lamat lines in Dawntrail was exhausting.
Re: the PC Gamer article, saying that Wuk isn't a terrible character and that it's just a problem with characterization as a whole is a cop out. It's also an example of gaming journalists playing their favorite non-video game: tut tutting gamers and pretending to have some moral authority (which they, of course, don't actually have).
That's impressive. What a weird expansion DT was.
He was working on ff 16 while letting the team handle a lot on their own in dawntrail
At least delegate competent writers, not these hacks
@ well he thought they were because the writers contributed well received parts of ew
@@AlchemisticXL77 Them contributing here and there and them writing an entire expansion isn't the same thing and i'm shocked Yoshi P didn't realize that.
To you comment about Zenos and the Garlemald expansion. What happend to Gaius and the Shadow Hunters in Endwalker? Gaius said something about how his presence would confuse individuals and was off to do other things while we (the player) tend to rebuilding Garlemald
The kicker is her comparison to Lyse now falls completely on its face seeing the latter takes just about 10% of the lines in Stormblood. Wuk Lamat takes 24%.
Okay but Estinien's 2nd most used word being Alphinaud is pretty wholesome.
I hope this shut up people who said that lamat wasn't too much in msq xD
There is a reason why I hated DT. It was all Wuk Lamat talking crap over and over.
13:45 "places where I had expected her to appear"
You mean everywhere?
Wuk Lamat being in THIRD for most words so far is actually insane. There IS NO WAY. We are being bamboozled, right?
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imma be honest really feels like Yoshi-p and the rest of the people that gave us the msq before DT are just coasting now waiting for square to message and be like "hey we need you to work on this other game" so they can finally leave this behind, they probably got to the end of EW and basicly "alright its done we're finished now we just coast till they decide to put this on maintenance and make a new one"