🥊COMPARISON Bluetti AC200L and Bluetti AC200Max
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As a retired power production specialist for the federal government, I can attest that the power brick with dc7909 jack was a fire hazard in itself especially for people who use the device as their dedicated power source living off-grid. I have used my AC200P extensively as a primary source of power 24/7 for three years straight in order to thoroughly test the device and provide my assessment. Besides the power brick issue, this AC200P is pretty much bullet-proof - I mentioned to Bluetti for the DC 7909 jack to be removed from their 48V power stations and look what we have here. Way to go Bluetti, this is a huge step in the right direction. I currently use their AC300 with four B300 batteries connected to my 10K Renogy solar array and I look forward to the arrival of the AC200L in a few days. It's a revolutionary game changer.
Thanks for this video. It helped me out so much. I learned alot from the video. I just found this channel and subscribed.
Thanks Jason if you have any other questions let me know. Did you pick up a power station yet or are you still shopping for one?
Not yet I’m still shopping. I’m leaning towards a bluetti ac180.
Thanks for the video.
Thanks for watching
I think the reduction in battery cycles on the L is due to the faster AC charging. You should generally only use turbo charge mode if you have to.
@ 12:31 This is also commonly known as "Load Shifting," and it's a feature many, many end users, including myself, have been requesting to be added to consumer level power stations. Commercial level power stations have had this feature for years.
I am redesigning the electrical system in my truck camper and the 12v/30a is great for the 3 way fridge.
the 12v 30A on the Max is designed for vandwellers to run a 12v source to a fuse box for their builds.
This was exactly what I needed on a current van build. Not sure how I would power my 12v fridge, diesel heater and lights now without the 30amp 12v outlet on the AC200L?
@grahamisherwood2773 there is a 30A on the front of the AC200L now the 48v they have I hear there is some type of device coming out from Bluetti that will adjust the voltage, don’t have anymore on that.
They finally built a power bank that checks most of my boxes where I would consider buying this unit over the competiton. Great video.
Thank you
You asked about the 12v connection.
We use the 12v outlet on our AC200 Max for a T.R.A.P. offered by Disaster Preparer to protect it from an EMP/lightening/CME.
OK thank you also, there is a solution coming and once it comes out, we will review it so stay tuned
Nice video mate cheers
Thanks Chris 👍🏼
the older 12v/30A was great for van builds where they could hook it up to the 12v fuse box and run lights and other dc appliances out of it.
48v is better because its more efficient in net DC power out of the battery, less voltage drop in wires and safer/smaller/cheaper overall wires/fuses/bus bars as you're dealing with 8A now instead of 30A.
most automotive electrical systems are moving to 48v systems too.
and one could use step dowm converters for the current 12v lights or 24v ACs.
Thank you for such a well written explanation as to its use cases I stop listing in the hopes someone like yourself did indeed know 👌🤘
Excellent vid!
Peter thank you
How about a comparison between the eb55 and the ps54?
I want to use the system mainly to run my 12volt system. Without using the inverter unnecessarily. Any ideas as to which would be best the 30amp output or the 48 volt at 8 amps . ?
I wired my camper van so I could do my own custom setup but now have decided to go this route. I have 3 standard wall outlets/plugs and then some 12 volt items. I guess I could use that 12v outlet to hook up a fuse box to run my 4 or 5 12v items- lights, maxxair fan, water pump, etc. Do you think that would work? Also, as far as the 48 volt goes, would I get something that would switch that to 12 volt for those items? Thanks for the video. I think I'm going to go ahead and go with the 200L with the option of expanding with one more battery bin the future.
I wish I could help you with your question on the box you're looking to create but I really can't I will tell you they're working on coming out with an accessory for the 48 volt port, I don't have all the details yet but I do believe it might actually help you in your camper, I agree that the AC200L is the one to get.
3:43 i don't do wireless charging. i just do cable charging! :)
The 12VDC 30A was perfect for vanlife for feeding a fuses box with all 12V stuffs. The new unit seem to me a big downgrade from the previus version for Camper. I think I prefer the new Pecron E1500LFP than this AC200L for vanlife.
Bluetti has something coming to help with that, stay tuned to the channel and I'll introduce you to that
I like the wireless chargers on my AC200 MAX but I have to remove my iPhone cover to make it work.
There is not enough new on the AC200L to get me wanting it over my AC200 MAX.
BTW, you have to add the weight of the charger to the AC200 MAX.
I like the wireless charging also
I was one of the first to order the new L with the BF sale. Should get it in a few days. When AC charging, there are 3 modes available: Silent, Standard, and Turbo. Turbo as stated is 2400W and provides 80% charge in 45 minutes (full in 90 minutes I think). Standard charges at 1200W ("more friendly to battery") and is fully charged in 3 hours. Silent charges at 800W "quiet low power operation for long battery life." AC+PV together in the three modes are limited to the same 800W, 1200W, and 2400W, respectively, so you probably wouldn't be using solar with AC going because there would be no benefit. (For PV only charging, the limits are 800W, 1200W, and 1200W.) Looking forward to additional boondocking power for RV, emergency power at home, and potentially lowering home electric bill.
I use the barrel plugs a lot! I power my star link though them. More efficient than going dc to ac back to dc. I also run my Astro photography rig through them
Thanks for sharing that Brian 👍🏻
@@TechMadeEzy bluetti needs a hybrid of the two models! I like the internal charger of the L but the ports of the max. And even though I don’t really use it all that much the wireless charger on top is cool too.
Wireless charging is convenient but not very efficient. You can still put your phone on the top and charge it (faster) with the cable
Efficiency would relate to power losses during the process, but if it is only taking more time to achieve the same result, effective is the word you're looking for
@@joebloggs6131 My phone gets hotter when wireless charging vs plugged in.
Heat is the BS indicator of efficiency.
Great to see they are upgrading their displays as Ecoflow was so much nicer, now seem to be on par. I still don't like the plug on the AC input though
Why don’t you like the plug?
@@TechMadeEzy I'm in Australia and really like the IEC plugs and sockets if not using our standard 250v type
I use the 12v/30 amp out to charge my RC car lipo cells. My DC charger takes DC input so i can do 360watt lipo cell charging in the field dc to dc with no extra conversion. 48v is even better. some dc lipo chargers have amp limits.
Ditto, +1
Does it work with lower voltage solar panels? The website says 12-145V instead of the 200p wanting atleast 35V. Example a single 200w 18v panel
Hi it has to be above 12v or it won’t work and no more than 145v, if the panel is 18v then it should pick it up
Very nice upgrade on the 200L. Only real head scratcher is no wireless charging on the 200L. Must have been a cost saving measure. Thank you for the comparison video.
or a space saving measure, i would 100% trade wireless charging for an internal charger, so I dont have to deal with the brick
You can buy a wireless charger that plugs in the USB ports if you really need one. That’s not a deal breaker tbh.
@@mclaine33 pay more money and then also have to buy an external wireless charger? not a desirable take IMO
Any positive /negative comments on Bluetti customer service - this is a big purchase and I would really be disappointed if they don't provide good support.
Bluetti and EcoFlow are the big players in this catagory. I haven't had to reach out to customer service much but let's see if anyone has any experiences they would like to share.
I have reached out and it is beyond TERRIBLE. My Bluetti AC 200 L will not connect with my Apple phone 15 on Bluetooth. I have tried every which way to get some help from customer service. or tech service. Answers come from China at a different, with all kinds of platitudes about getting someone to help after a month of NOTHING I'm over them. I want to send the machine back. It is a great machine, but not if I can not connect my phone to it and get the info from it. Oh, also they are not really in Las Vegas. @@TechMadeEzy
the 12v / 30a was nicknamed the vanlife plug. brilliant way to power 12v circuits like lighting or diesel heater... this 48v socket has just ballsed that up!! I was waiting hoping the touch screen was going to disappear, now there isnt a 12v/30a im just going to find a different solution
Thanks
Use a DC to DC step down transformer to go from 48v to 12v. They are cheap and there's tons of UA-cam videos showing to to do this.
Or consider Pecron E1500LFP because he have the 12VCD/30A
48v is way more efficient since the battery inside runs at 58v IIRC. just use a 48v to 12v converter. heck some appliances are more efficient at 48v or 24v than running on 12v.
Yes I use the wireless phone charging and love the convenience of this feature......
I don't know why they removed that feature off of many of their new power stations thanks for your feedback I feel the same
L is for low cost I think this is a cost reduced model with some new features and minus some
Bluetti AC180P who bought what are the disadvantages?
Hello I’m new to your channel and to these types of power stations. I have one question, I have a 33’ boat and it has air conditioning and heat, refrigerator (small) battery charger onboard installed ect. Now my boat does have a generator, but I was thinking this would be even better because of fumes and fuel consumption. Would either one of these units plug into my boats 30 amp hookup for power while I’m at anchor??? Or would would the power needed be to much and I should save the money and run my onboard generator???
Hi Michael I hope you are a subscriber. to answer your question that type of power station would be a larger power station a little bit heavier, but most of them will actually be expandable as well giving you additional runtime if you decide to purchase additional batteries. I’m going to link a video we did on a comparison, but you’re gonna want to keep an eye out for the delta pro in the video. I think it’s a good idea just to watch the video because I go over all of the differences and I hope it really helps. You just have a basic understanding after that we can talk more. There are definitely other PowerStations to look at that would have that type of outlet. Here’s the link for the video let’s stay in touch.
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in north america what do we us 48 volts for other then a bass boat trolling motor and starlink.. id rather have the 12 volt 30 amp and the L has two 100 usb but can only use one at a time so it basically has one to use and one to look at.. over all in usa i thing the max is best for us here.. and you know they could upgrade the dame max with the same window to look at.
Outstanding review. Question… what’s the cable that must be used to charge the unit from a generator? Thanks
Hi thanks, when charging from a generator you would just plug it into an outlet like you would at home, but make sure your generator has a pure sine wave outlet, some gas generators don't so be sure.
@@TechMadeEzy if the outlet is not pure sine wave… could you use a converter cable/ plug to make it pure sine wave ? I thank you in advance for your service and cooperation
No, not that I know of. It’s more complicated than that.
@@TechMadeEzy I just found out that my inverter generator is pure sine wave. Read the user manual 😀😀. Thanks for helping 👍
Well I guess I won't be buying one of these after all. I was looking to purchase this unit for the 12 volt system in my sailboat and my RV. They did away with the 30 amp 12v outlet I need. Major disapointment. Great review! You just saved me a lot of money
Stay tuned a device will be coming out that will solve your challenge
@@TechMadeEzy Thank you
Thank you for your support
I miss noise test, which one is louder? I would buy ecoflow delta 2 max over bluetti ac200max, because it is way more quiet when its under heavy load
AC200Max definitely louder in every way
Seems like one would be better off to buy 2 B300 expansion batteries for the most power.
AC200L + 2*B210 = 6,348Wh;
AC200L + 1* B230 = 4,096Wh;
AC200L + 2* B300 = 8,192Wh.
Does the 200L or any solar generator have low temp charging protection? Was just thinking about taking it camping but it would be exposed to below freezing temps.
Your best bet is grabbing the manual from their website and looking at the operating conditions and a list of temperatures. I also included temperature notes in the video on the 200L ua-cam.com/video/hUvceu7n6WY/v-deo.htmlsi=VepJzFX29Efor990
It got me thinking why someone hasnt put in a low temp disconnect to protect the battery if you tried charging it below stated limits. *Or do they? You need to try putting some in a freezer and then try charging. Tons of batteries have it now.@@TechMadeEzy
Have you tried charging two 100w USBc devices at the same time?
No I haven't
@@TechMadeEzy 😬 mine crashes and shuts off the USB ports when using both 100w USBc ports at the same time (it seems to happen if you pull over ~145 watts). Just was seeing if you also had this issue as well since I can't use both of the 100w ports to their full potential 😔
@Jasonoid ouch
@@TechMadeEzy so what about yours?
Haven’t gotten to it yet
i guess i will replace my AC200P as soon as the AC200L is finaly at retail in europe.
I have the AC180, in the mornings and evenings, when the panels aren't getting enough sun, the solar charger relay clicks on and off constantly for about an hour. Does the AC200L do the same thing?
Most PowerStations do that you normally don’t wanna have the solar cable connected when you’re not charging just disconnected. I don’t know that it’ll cause damage but it might.
relays are built to do that task specifically - since the sun may or may not be out when charging or attempting to charge the device
I would love to sell my generator and go battery/solar, but here's my dilemma. As I understand, you should only store your batteries at no more than 80% capacity, so when the power goes out in a rain/snow storm, I'm working with a system at 80% capacity and since there is no power or sun light, I can't pass through charge for additional wh power🥴. Now if I only keep my generator gas tank stored at half full, and I need additional run time, I can just add gas. So, until I can have a battery/solar system ready to go at 100% capacity, sadly it looks like my noisy gas generator will be my emergency standby solution. Hopefully someday there will be a battery/solar system that can be charged to 100% and stored for that lights-out day. As always, I love the reviews and your honest perspectives. Enjoy them all👍😊
Thanks Frank
I would recommend buying a system with expansion batteries and once you have all of those around 50% if your power goes out you’ll be OK and you can even charge via solar while you are discharging powering your devices in your home.
I would not get rid of the generator, as you will need redundancies. I went without power and water for 8 days. I have 2 Hondas 2200 that I had to use. Here is the problem. I normally would run both of them every 6 weeks using non-ethanol gasoline. To my surprise when I needed to charge my power banks I could not because one of the Hondas would not start. The second started because I had converted it to propane. Soon after we recovered from the storm I converted the other one to propane too. Now both will run with with gasoline or propane. Others justify not changing to propane because gasoline is cheaper, which is true, but if you were in my situation. We could not pump gasoline for days because the grid was down. With propane you are good to go because it won't go bad.@@TechMadeEzy
But the AC200MAX can recharge at 1400 watts (900w +500w) in both sides. The solar can range from 10-145/15a and 10-60v/10a on the MAX. Does the AC200L have the A/C adapter for MC4 from the solar side. I do like the upgrade and redesign but 200 watts can be a big difference when off grid. Great video.
AC200L recharges via AC on turbo mode 2400w
Definitely quicker
Can you plug in a washer dryer using the 30amp? Or does that require 240? Looking to figure out the best solution on limited budget for a house back up. Already have the hookups for gas generator
This is 120v most electric dryers are 240 V
What would you recommend for this then? I know Ecoflow just released a plug and play home battery system, buts it's very expensive. What would be the best solution or product to handle 120/240 home backup?
@@TechMadeEzyalso keeping in one that there's some really good deals on the Max right now, $1249 on Amazon. Thinking this will handle most things in the house but also thinking about the major appliances like well, furnace, washer dryer.
Here is where you wanna be if you’re thinking about going to 240 V keep in mind this link will bring you to the Delta pro page look down further for the different options right now there’s some really good sales so make sure if you do buy something select the coupon before check out
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This is great, really appreciate this
Any chance you could do a video of a really simple thing for you, I'll bet, How to get Bluetooth set up on the AC 200 L and set my iPhone 15 set up. Get them to talk to each other. I have spent 4 weeks trying to connect with Bluetti, but no luck. They have VERY POOR customer service and NO tech service. I sure hope you can help me. The machine seems to be ok just not completely connected. I have a major problem with finding the correct serial number. The one on the bottom does not match what the onboard screen shows and what Bluetti says it should be. PLEASE HELP, Thanks. Crt. Did I say I'm a 79-year-old senior who has his head swimming over all this tech stuff?
I wish I could help and just post a video. Are you in the states? Have you called or emailed Bluetti?
Im building a bus and was going to wire in the ac 200 max using the 12v 30am plug can i do the same with the 48v 8amp plug? I still think the max is the better buy because you can get the max for $1,300 the 200 l is $2,100. Is the 200 l $800 better?
The 200l will have an accessory coming out soon that will give you that ability. Not sure when at this time . Stay tuned to the channel
bluetti will be releasing the D40 voltage regulator in the near future.
Wonder what you use 48v 8amp connection for
it's a closer voltage to the internal battery so more efficient dc output.
you can use 48v appliances and/or use step down converters to 24v and 12v.
@@mas921 48V appliances are uncommon/unusual in the US. Virtually everything I've found has been 12V (TVs, refrigerators, water pumps, lighting, etc.). The older 12V 30AMP was ideal for a single wire connection to a 12V DC distribution panel to supply an entire camping van's electrical system.
As far as efficiency, if you use a step down converter, that simply adds the same drag on efficiency that Bluetti would have had if they built it into the system. But now it is an extra purchase, extra installation, extra thing to mount and extra bit to manage. Further, the 48V is only 8 amps, which at 85% conversion efficiency nets you 27 amps at 12V, less than the old port's 30 amp.
48V may work in other areas where it is more common (e.g. Europe). But this change is a step backward for US builders.
Will the ac200l have a 12v/30amp plug?
They are coming out with an accessory soon that will I believe make that possible, stay tuned
Where can you get a spare solar connector from? what is the name of it?
The solar cable you mean? For which power station?
@@TechMadeEzy AC200L
@johnlackner1193 you should be able to grab that on Bluetti‘s website
So why are people excited about 48v output?? !2v 30amp sounds way more useful to me, I'm guessing the 48v port will have some sort of expensive addons to give you lower voltages to suit your needs, Just sounds like another way to gain more of our hard earned cash more addons?? Tell me of I'm wrong and have missed something as I've not seen anything published about this port and its been out for a few months in the USA. Don't get me wrong I'm purchasing the 200l as there are other benefits I'm just at a loss for what the purpose of that 48v port will be.
I don’t have any experience using it but I hear it’s beneficial especially if you have an RV / camper
Great to lose the brick! 1200W solar a big plus! I rarely use wireless charging so no big deal.
With no touch screen, how do you disable Bluetooth or WiFi?
Hi, I don't think you can disable bluetooth or wifi but if you could it would be through the Bluetti App.
@@TechMadeEzy Downloaded to manual, you can thu a series of button presses on front panel.
@s.mendez7160 OK thank you I was unaware
And I just bought an AC200Max a month ago. Figures lol
I was itching to buy that one too but the power brick dc7909 jack is its greatest shortcoming - I got the AC200L on its way. Bluetti is going to release the B210 external battery upgrade soon as well as the D40 48V to 12VDC voltage regulator for van life etc.
Dumb question: What is the 48v outlet for?
I wish I had the answer. I’ve never used one, but someone will probably reply. Sorry I couldn’t help with this one
Charge your ebike😎
My e-bike has a standard ac plug but I guess they make some with that ?
I asked myself the same thing. What runs on 48v (inverters maybe)? I think they dropped the ball on that one(swapping the high amp 12vdc for a 48v jack).
100% agree. Some trucks and maybe European vehicles use 48 volt systems, but virtually everything I try to buy for a van - TVs, water pumps, fans, lights, etc - come in 12 volt with no 48 volt option. And converting 48 to 12 just means I have to add an extra step to undo their change to 48 volt, netting a lower amp capability (was 30 amp, would be 27 amp with external voltage converter).@@daemoncan2364
Have you heard that your voice sounds similar to Howard Stern?
I think his voice sounds like mine 😊
I don't like that it only has one battery port to expand with. I like to do mine in slow increments when I'm buying stuff. And I don't like that it doesn't have that much more output as far as the inverter I'd rather get the $3,000 and it also doesn't have enough extra storage so to get something bigger and more expensive and more heavy I don't know I'm not sold on it and not impressed but I'd love to hear if this new battery that might be bigger coming out and would be interesting to see if a bigger battery coming out would still charge with 600 watts of solar
You plug extra batteries into the other batteries thus daisy chaining them together.
By summer 2024 solid state battery technology will be replacing these.
Basically everything that was poor on the ac200max has been improved
Yeah. They cut corners on 200L
Share your thoughts
Oh yes, I'm in California. Bluetti does not respond at all. You get in a ridiculous squirrel cage with their e-mail. Blah, blah, yak, yak. Repeating the same questions and not helping at all. Can you explain why you could not do a video that would be of immense help? They say someone will call, in 4 weeks, nothing.
Sorry to hear that