Low Points for the Pittsburgh Penguins
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- I could have had Jagr as the lost asset, but that was also about the team being cheap and nearly moving out of Pittsburgh.
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Ran into Mark Cuban leaving a Stars/Pens game back in the 07-08 season. We were walking down the stairs after the game (Pens 3-2 in a SO, Crosby with the winner) and I got to have a 2 minute conversation with him because it was rumored that he was going to buy the Pens because he was a Pittsburgh native. I asked about the rumors of him buying or Mario moving and he looked at me and said quite frankly that Mario was just floating his name out there to get the city on board with a new arena and that Mario would never move the Pens from Pittsburgh. Definitely on my list of top 3 conversations I've ever had, and was surprised he entertained me. I told him he ought to think about it because the Pens were going to win the Cup in the next couple seasons. Also love that jersey, its much better than the RoboPens home jersey they wore during the mid 90s-2000 time frame.
Ah yes the Penguins, I can't wait until Crosby and Malkin retire and they find two more generational (or close to) players to win 2-3 more cups with, the circle of life
Pittsburgh sports All the time He has a right to be, those Devils teams from 1994-2004 would’ve won at least 2 more cups (1994, & 2001) if they had superstars like Lemieux, or Jagr.
It be like that.
But before you get a generational talent, gotta go through a sucky season or trade up in the draft big time.
@@poonking3628 well genius we would've also won again in 2018 but the league broke us up
Edmonton drafted like 5 #1 and they didn win anything from it yet since the 1980s
was one of those loyal 6000 fans as a kid when they were losing consistently and could not get enough of the pens and their blue jerseys..but these "low points" sure made drinking from the cup so many times thereafter oh so much more special...
I only wear the blue jersey for just that reason. Shows the loyalty and its the best looking jersey they ever made. For sure.
@@57beachboy no it isnt the skating penguin the one we won in is the best
@@hugh2hoob668it is 17 seasons missing the playoffs so far.
@@RobAndJuana still good for a 1967 team
As for the Robo Penguin, while it doesn't look bad, it is hated for what it means. The Pens won in '91 and '92 with the Skating Penguin. Then they turned their backs on it and won no more Cups with those players.
The reason for the dislike is superstition. That logo is jinxed. Howard Baldwin wanted a rebrand for the team to make it his.
No mention of the loss Michel Briere, I would say that was a low point. They say he was their "Mario" before Mario.
That was before my time as a fan, but very sad moment for the franchise.
He wasnt around long enough to be remembered tbh
He was never on Mario's level nobody is
Lost assets: Jagr, Zubov, Larry Murphy, Kevin Stevens, Pierre Larouche, Paul Coffey, Markus Näslund
Caps fan here. Upvoting this before I even start watching.
But without us where would the caps be too
Caps needed us we needed each other to survive
The caps need the penguins like they need a shank to the kidney.
@@hugh2hoob668 Yeah, but I think the Crosby-Ovechkin rivalry is all hype. Tom Wilson has now become the face of that rivalry. Also, don't forget Ovi and Malkin's beef in the late 2000's.
@@joshfriedman7099 you're an idiot wilson isnt even on their level
@@yutz2109 no idiot without us the Caps have no rivalry which puts fans in the seats
I had the white version of that jersey as a kid. I love them.
I know how much crap it gets, but I love me some Robopenguin!!
Really it's the yellow laser beam stripes on the shoulders that do it in for me.
This is my favorite jersey. I have a Mario and a Jagr in this jersey and when I where them to a game I get a lot of complements.
Same but I prefer the white one much more. I have a Mario version of the white one. I just don’t like the gradient that much, but I do love the logo.
Yeah it’s one of my favorite Penguins jerseys ever. It would be fun if they brought it back
The white version of this is my all time favourite.. such a great jersey.
The one you're wearing is my favorite of that era
When the stakes are really high, Mario is at the top of his game -- on or off ice.
With all he's done as an owner, he might have been HOF without his great playing career.
Except Game 7 in 96' still mad about that one lol
Life long Oilers fan, but as a hockey fan first I can appreciate the Penguins. 5 cups is something for any team to hang the toque on.
Oh and before you say anything about tanking to get the 1st pick equals winning a cup..... Well just saying (again life long Oilers fan), if tanking wins cups we should have won 2 or 3 in the past 10yrs.
Keep up the great work Shannon!
People forget Edmonton had tons of #1 picks and only just now are good with mcdavid total hypocrites some fans can be
I mean look at who they drafted with those picks though. This doesn't just include first overall picks btw, just look at all of their "good" picks in the last 10 years. Taylor Hall (future league MVP), Ryan Nugent-Hopkins (solid #2 center who's consistently produced), Jordan Eberle (great scoring top 6 winger), Oskar Klefbom (top pairing dman), Darnell Nurse (top 4 dman, who's still growing), Leon Draisaitl (art ross winner, probable 2020 MVP), Connor Mcdavid (generational talent), Kailer Yammamoto (top 6 winger whos still growing), Evan Bouchard (low end NHL level dman whos ready to make the jump to the league next season). See my point? This doesn't even include all the other players they've drafted outside the first round that are great players, and some other first rounders that I haven't mentioned yet. (Puljujarvi, Bear, Benson, Lavoie, Jones, Marino, Khaira, Gustaffson, Rieder, Ganger, Petry). The only real BUST that the oilers have had in drafts has been the obvious pick in Yakupov. As well it's uncertain right now whether Puljujarvi is a bust yet. The oilers issue isn't drafting. It's asset management and trading. They consistently make terrible trades, their value in drafts is always bad, and they have suffered because of it. The oilers are good at drafting, just TERRIBLE at putting a team around those drafted players. You hate to see it. I really think that with the right management the oilers are ready to make that next step. Imo all they need now is another top 6 winger and an actual reliable goalie (maybe target Jarry/Murray at the expansion draft?) and they can really start to compete.
@@joellitt-jukes9715 yeah that's why getting players means nothing without good management
I love the words low points mixed in with Pittsburgh Penguins😍
I know but sadly every time they get a low point, they get the 1st overall pick that changed their franchise and the league... then proceed to win a few cups just to piss off every non penguins fan lol
FUCK THE PENS
@@jessiegandhi4340 it's super lucky and undeserved bc their fanbase sucks ( I'm a salty sabres fan )
Jessie Gandhi geez as a Flyers fan I wonder what it's like to sink that low to get franchise saving players because my Flyers Org. has never experienced that because The Flyers history has always been mediocre to good and to have very good teams and never hit the basement as a team to hit the jackpot on draft day It must be nice I guess ?
Same
The Howard Baldwin owned Penguins made the playoffs every year during his eight years as an owner, including a Stanley Cup win. But Baldwin and his ownership group had amassed a massive player payroll and played in an aging arena. Players were asked to defer their salaries, but financial pressures caught up with the owners and they filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy in 1998.
Mario Lemieux was retired and the team still owed him $35 million in deferred salary. The ownership mortgaged the future to keep the small market penguins competitive.
Any jersey with the Pigeon is usually despised by the local faithful.
It is frequently misrepresented that the Penguins were bankrupt twice. It happened once. In 1975, the Penguins were put in receivership by the IRS because the owners did not pay the withholdoing taxes. Had the Penguins beaten the Islanders in 1975, the ticket deposits in escrow for the third round would have been used to pay those taxes and no receivership. In the 1974-75 season the Pens had the 5th best record in the NHL and attendance improved significantly. The city built the Section E balconies in 1975. This and Michel Briere's death were two of the low points early on.
Management decided to build the team from the ground up after the 1982 loss to the Isles. A team of patchwork veterans never wins anything. The bad attendance in 1983 and 1984 was indicative of the massive steel industry layoffs that clobbered the area. You want a low point? The 1987-88 Pens had a winning record and 81 points - and finished last in the Patrick Division. They had a better record than six playoff teams that year. Another low point.
Baldwin never had the money to operate an NHL team. He overpaid salaries and had no plan to replace the Civic Arena, which was obsolete in the 1980s. There was no problem with attendance or TV ratings. It was all Baldwin. The Pens could have been in on the new stadium/ballpark, but Baldwin begged out. Low point. Baldwin bought a team with a solid minor league system and wrecked it. Low point.
A previous Pittsburgh mayor, Bob O'Connor, wanted the Penguins to leave and wanted an NBA team to come here. This is why there was no impetus to get a new arena until after he died. The Penguins put together a deal where Isle of Capri would have paid for a new arena - but the board appointed to issue the gambling license gave it to Don Barden - who managed to lose money operating his casinos. Low point. Who turns down a free arena? A bunch of dolts appointed by Fast Eddie $pendell, the tax raising lying sack of $**t from Filthydelphia, that's who.
So, the noisiest bunch of anti-Penguins whiners come from Filthydelphia - who lost the A's, the Warriors, nearly the Eagles because Leonard Tose went broke gambling in Atlantic City - the city that went broke in 1990, who had its school system seized by the state not long after, and foistered Eddie $pendell on the rest of the Commonwealth - and Washington, who needed Penguins fans to sell out their home building. Hey Caps fans - 2-9 all time in the playoffs. Don't you miss Joe Gibbs?
One other point - many NHL teams have faced lousy attendance - the Red Wings during the Dead Things era, the Blackhawks before Bill Wirtz died, the Devils (why does the NYC metro area have three NHL teams?) the Islanders after the cup years ended, the old Minny North Stars to name a few. Even the Blues were in bankruptcy and were going to be moved to Saskatoon. The Sabres were in bankruptcy as well. Bankruptcy had nothing to do with attendance.
In 1998 the wonderful people running the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania allocated hundreds of millions of dollars for stadiums for the Pirates, Phillies, Steelers (with Pitt football) and Eagles (with Temple football). When the Pens didn't try to get in on that is puzzling to me. It wasn't as though they weren't looking for a new building at that time. I believe just 3 years later Allegheny County voters rejected a plan to increase the sales tax to pay for a new building. The money eventually came from gaming revenue but I thought they were gonners in 2007. There was a proposed casino w/ arena whose bid was rejected and right after the mayor of KC said Christmas had come early. I really thought they were done.
My first Pens jersey was a Jagar with that logo.
Andy Chiodo had a pretty good career with WBS but didn't really get a chance here in PIT. He DID end up becoming our goalie coach, though.
Pittsburgh broke my heart 3 years ago. Seriously I was really depressed for a week and even to this day, that game 7 double ot loss still hurts a little bit.
The one we’ve all been waiting for in this series
Low points for Pittsburgh?!
Oh! The early 2000's!
And before they got Super Mario!
Only 4 seasons including the lockout before sid came
And we made playoffs every year in the 90s you have no numbers for you facts lol
Longest drought is pretty much the: let's found a franchise player before bankruptcy ! To be fair, there where still a few pretty good players before the arrival of Lemieux and Jagr but nowhere near close to build around...Lost assets could be Ron Francis ? Or Maybe Martin Straka ? Some depth can be good sometime...Also the mini drought of the beginning of the 2000 was pretty hard to live throught...Also imagine long term if Angelo Esposito played like in the international level or the junior level...Sad end...
As much as i love "Big Kjell" Samuelsson he was not a scorer, but he must have to played more than 100 games for pitts? Longest stick in history? What a team player though!
Wendell young is the only player to win all four cups. Turner, Calder, Memorial and Stanley. His nickname was Ringmaster. The guy knew how to win.
Yinzers love that jersey!!
I thought Pens fans hated the Robo Penguin? I don't necessarily like that jersey but I think that's the Pens best logo
jasonfire34 I think we used to because we had just won two cups and we choked in the playoffs, didn’t win the cup with the logo, and some enjoy the classic look. Now everyone loves it, but it wasn’t loved for superstition.
Wrong
That logo was bad luck
@Atheos B. Sapien you misspelled Northside lol
Agreed: love that jersey.
I love that jersey too would be cool if they mixed it up with the new logo pens fan since 80’s
Some Andy Chiodo fights on UA-cam.
I'm probably going to get shot for this but I have two words why Tom Barrasso isn't in the HOF, Dave Volek! Even though I am a Penguins fan, 1993 still hurts. I thought there were games when he couldn't stop a beach ball.
I love that jersey!
How come Pittsburgh is always getting bankrupt?
over 50 years? thats not always.
Fair weather fans?????
You must be from Toronto
The period before Mario Lemieux and Sidney Crosby we're huge low points.
Only 4 seasons including the lockout for sid
That's one of Pittsburgh's better jerseys.
No it isnt flying caps logo fan lol
Might have jake back the pens look good
It’s a nice Jersey but I prefer the penguin with his hockey stick 🏒 logo we are spoiled with our pens but when they start losing some fans are fair weather but as a yinzer I can tell you this Mario saved the penguins twice once as a player once as an owner
I still feel your take on things is spot on as always
Thanks for your posts
Can I have two tickets to Pittsburgh
I wish they would have some more Low points as I'm not a big fan of Pittsburgh :)
watch em go bankrupt again and win 2-3 more cups in pittsburgh within the next 20 years
Hi
Penguins fans and band-wagoners will tell you that Crosby is the Goat and their franchise is the best in the 103 year history of the NHL. Those years where they sucked, tanked for Lemioux and nearly moved, never happened according to them.
Josh Friedman Fans of teams not nearly as successful will talk shit on them like you do. I’ve been a fan for a very long time. Pre-Lemieux. Pens have had 4 players better than anyone on your favorite teams history. Turn green sucker.
@@justinwalters7953 '3. Ovechkin is better than Malkin, hands down.
@@justinwalters7953 And they lucked into getting those four hall of famers. Never forget the tank for Lemioux.
103 years!? you're literally the dumbest caps fan
Original 6 teams arent even 103 years old lol
@@joshfriedman7099 not hands down both are elite
Malkin has 2 more cups and more assists
No that's the ugliest jersey they've ever worn
Pittsburgh is a small working town one of the best in USA
People here dont waste money on a loser other fanbases could learn a thing or 2 from us as long as you keep showing up management wont change a damn thing your wallet is a powerful weapon in sports
#Vivalarobopenguin
Awful fanbase
Again, you must be from Toronto. Most self rightous nhl fans are. Or Philly, of course.
@@57beachboy neither, but the pens fanbase is completely fairweather.
You don't know what you are talking about.
Doubt you'll see this now but have you ever thought of an iconic hockey moments playlist? Seeing Pietrangelo's name always reminds me of "the save"
Also: WTF!? They lost 25 millions in the mid-90's after they won two cups!?
Also, I hope to see another rivalry video in the future. Maybe Leafs-Bruins or Rangers-Devils?
Pittsburgh only cares if the team can win a cup tbh
@@hugh2hoob668 Yeah, same with the Pirates. When the end of this amazing run they had comes it will be like PNC Park is now.
Don't like Pittsburgh (nothing to do with Crosby) but I do like their jerseys.
That jersey is great, but that logo was a huge mistake. The white jersey with that logo was the worst in the Penguins history.
If Pittsburgh left the NHL market the Capitals and Flyers would've went under too they *NEEDED* us without their rivalry with us
they too would die out eventually you better believe it
Haven't watched yet, but we better get a shout-out for Mike "He Tried" Bullard!!!!!!
Lots of history - good AND bad - with my beloved Penguins. I saw many, many games with them wearing that jersey but never liked it and was ecstatic when they brought back the skating Penguin with the "Vegas Gold." Nicer jersey from that era was the simple "Penguins" across the black.
I’ve been a huge Pens fan ever since I was in grade school, which coincided with Lemieux coming into the league. The only time I’ve ever cried after any game, any sport, was after David Volek scored in game 7 OT in 93. My main point of this comment is that I’ve seen some BAD Pens teams in my lifetime. Sure we’ve had incredibly talented teams, but a lot of people don’t remember how ugly things were at times on the ice. For example, in 02-03, they lost 19 games in a row. Zigmund Palffy said he’d rather sit at home than play for this team (and he was playing with Lemieux!!) There’s a reason they picked first or second in the draft 4 years in a row. The Crosby lottery was pure luck though.
As a Penguins fan, I never liked that logo, but that particular jersey was cool.
exactly
It was bad luck in 1993 we lost to the isles in it
that logo looks like its for an airline
Am I the only one who thinks this is the best Penguins jersey? I probably am.
It was bad luck
Is it me or the 5 years without a 1rst round pick might hurt them long term in the next few years ? So little draft picks, the depth is gonna get low soon...
Yeah pretty much everyone knows this though. Like everyone knows the Penguins are gonna be DOGSHIT after the Crosby/Geno era, including the Penguins themselves. That's kinda the idea. That's very clearly what they are going for. You win as MUCH as you can right now with Sid/Geno and then after they are gone you deal with the rebuilding then. Hence why they trade their first round pick basically every year and they continue to get established players while giving up prospects in trades.
The grey shoulders is probably why people hate the jersey.
It suits the theme of the city though. “Steel” city. Steel is greyish.
A really simple stretch, I know.
That's their best jersey
No it isnt lol
Barrasso was a fun name to say as a silly little boy among other silly little boys, at an age where we're just finding out about certain bad words.
They need to bring back that logo
That is by far my favorite Pens jersey.
Favorite jersey, by far
They literally brought in the coach from Miracle
Craig Patrick was also our GM he was herbs assistant
Mario was great but no, he wouldn't have gotten close to Gretzky in points even without the back problems. The gap was too big. Goals though, that could have been possible.
Closer than you think... Gretzky averaged 1.921 points per game. Lemieux averaged 1.883 points per game which included his last 2 seasons when he could barely skate; he only played 36 games in those 2 seasons and was a shell of his former self. Until then he was averaging 1.925 points per game. If he had played as many games as Wayne, it would have been very close. And keep in mind, Mario had to sit out a ton of games during what should have been the prime of his career. Who knows what that points per game average could have been. Of course, we will never know, but I do believe he would have been very close to 99's records.
@@paulhines5010
The games Mario missed were in the dry ninties. I can't see him hitting the same kind of points there, as in the eighties. There is a reason why Gretzky slowed down, and it's not only due to age.
All you people who hate the penguins better get used to us, we will be around as long as hockey is being played
Lol
@@KevinJL technically pittsburgh did have hornets pretty old hockey team
Was a big fan of Rick Kehoe-not so much the Pens...
All they've done is tank for generational talents. Should've moved them to KC.
Kansas wishes!
Their fans will pretend that never happened and flaunt their five cups in your face. You were warned. Here come the rudest and most insufferable fanbase in the NHL.
From: A Caps fan
Your bias against them is just as bad as the part of the fan base that knows nothing
Josh Friedman I would expect nothing more from an idiot Capitals fan. Your team has been good once. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Aside from Ovechkin, who I love, your franchise hasn’t had anyone good enough to tie Lemieuxs, Jagrs, Crosby’s, or Malkins skates.
@@justinwalters7953 Most other fan-bases have a bias against them at this point. It doesn't help that their fans are unable to take any form of criticism.
Mario would’ve past Gretzky in all categories had he played as many games. Before he retired the first time, Lemieux had a ppg avg over 2. Had he been healthy and played at 100% I’m not sure what his ppg would’ve been
True, but you can't live your life arguing and debating hypothetical situations. Mario "would have" passed Gretzky if he didn't get hurt. Yeah. Maybe. But at the end of the day. He didn't pass Gretzky. He wasn't even close; and he DID get injured. So. Tough shit. You can't debate what "might have" or what "would have" happened, you have to use what DID happen; and what DID happen was Gretzky has well over 1000 points more than Mario, he still leads the NHL in all time goals (although Ovi is coming lmao) and he still has countless scoring records, whether it be playoffs, regular season, goals, assists, PPG, whatever it may be. If you want to try and say Mario "would have" passed Gretzky then I could just as easily say that I "would have" been an NHL player if I was a couple inches taller. But at the end of the day I'm not an NHL player and Mario didn't pass Wayne. See my point? This is coming from a Pens fan btw, no bias here.
Bandwagon Penguins fans probably don’t know how bad the Penguins were in their first 20 years or just pretend they don’t exist. 🤪
Well sorry that I wasn't born until the late 90s to see them be bad. We know it existed. We're just tired of hearing about it. I know I'll still be supporting them after 87 and 71 retire
51 years old. Father was doctor of Pens throughout all the Blue/White Jersey years up through and past Lemieux. Some of best memories were from those early years. Got to hang out with players in locker room after wins. Saw guys get stitched up during games. Absolutely loved thise early years of Pens. To this day i only eear the blue jersey.
Was watching the pens since the 1980s
And we have 5 cups so shut it most successful expansion team
20 years for an expansion team is nothing dumbass
The pens still have the most cups outta the 1967 teams
You're the one that's hockey ignorant lol
Another twit. I have been a fan since 1974 - in all likelihood longer than you have been alive, because NOBODY born in the 1960s was named Kyle.