What Dylan Johnson does very well is share the 'recipe'. You don't get this much anywhere. For me, he challenges the status quo, does tech chat very well (those funky bikes are pure nerd stuff), bubbles down the numbers nicely, and share the hustle so it just not 'I am a pro with insane engine and a vague way to get there, and I don't really challenge what the sponsors give me'. When you factor in the memes, the bonk bros, and that he might have 'killed the spirit of gravel' and you get a recipe for success in this gravel YT space. I own Conti RK 2.2s, and Rule28 stuff just because of him. Thanks for the drop on Christmas boys! (I am subscribed ;) )
I think D.J.'s experiments are great for us. I just hope you don't buy stuff just because a pro cyclists uses them, like those people who bought 165 cranks and blue BBs just because of Pogi.
Agreed. I don't watch Dylan Johnson for Unbound or gravel. I started watching Dylan Johnson for the training advice. Then it was great watching the Unbound videos where he put his advice into practice and was able to keep up with the improving field despite not being the most genetically gifted. It's a bit similar how I started watching Jesse's training videos and then moved onto watching the Nero Show, though I still wish Jesse did more training videos..
Great show this week gentlemen. Interesting take about whether or not 8-10 min videos are dying off in favor of Instagram reels. And if longer form content is more appealing. I'll need to test this theory out myself. When the content is both excellent and consistent like Dylan Johnson's is, folks tune in. It also helps that he only uploads once a month.
I've been paying for you to premium for the better part of a decade. I really do miss the 5 to 10 minute video format. I enjoy these long podcasts and honestly despite short reels. Thanks Patrick for putting out that exact length five to 10, sometimes 15 minutes. Enough time to learn something but not invest too much time
I have been watching him for years. From early crit videos when he'd visit LA as a pilot to the crazy long rides he does now. Indeed, always good content. And did Haute Route twice - and well.
Dylan's success is based on the trust his viewers have that he will tell us everything he is doing, and why, to compete at the highest level in US gravel, over all the known areas for cycling improvement.
Thanks for the climbing experiment and assessment of W/kg vs pure power. It’s a benefit to the community that x2 highly experienced and aspirational figure heads provide a balanced view on the importance of maintaining a healthy lifestyle and weight vs seeking pure speed uphill. A message that easily gets lost due to the cycling industry focus on weight and W/kg - a trap I have fallen into myself and still wrestle with
Thank you for the mention, gentlemen. It is really appreciated. Like Chris, I too appreciate the content coming out of Singapore and Malaysia. Happy New Year!
merry christmas. i don't really find those mainstream/popular cycyling youtube entertaining, nero show is one of my favourite cycling content this is basiclly the only thing i still kept listening/watching to. maybe i have been too deep in this rabbit hole. this thing should be much bigger, i believe in it.
Favorite alt-bike UA-cam channel is Ultraromance. That guy is about as far from Chris and Jesse as you get in cycling, but I enjoy the vibe of his videos.
It's criminal that Nero boys don't have 200k subs, let alone 100k. Imagine you never knew about this channel, and one day you find them with 100s of episodes to watch. oh the joy.
No it's very understandable. For the most part they just aggregate from others. Then they shout out a YT account that has multiple sexual assault allegations. This is why people won't sub
@@theverybestof2004 - There's thousands of channels on UA-cam that aggregate from others. Best performing channels are pretty much all reacting to other videos. Nothing wrong with that. Don't you discuss what you hear on a daily basis with your friends? That's pretty much Nero is doing. Discussing bike related topics that they've heard. PLENTY of us enjoy that and do that ourselves in our lives with riding buddies. - Do you genuinely believe when they shoutout a channel they know every bit of detail about the channel / person? Are you really gonna sit here and try to cancel someone based on "oh this channel has cool videos?" I watched oz cycle for years and learned a ton from him. Then I found out he killed his neighbor's dog and went to jail. Disgusting human being. But do I deserve cancelling because I didn't know that fact about him? I have never ever clicked on a video of his after finding out about that. I highly doubt Nero boys would shoutout channels they KNOW for a fact to be run by garbage people. On that note, I've listened to all the shoutouts and have no idea which one you are referring to.
@@8rk I never cancelled them, you did. In this rambling Ted Talk reply. And if you don't know who I am referring to that's your ignorance on show. I guess this does show the audience these guys are appealing to.
Did you guys ever watch chris horners grand tour stage reviews & classics? I haven't seen anything even close to that 👌 Awesome show, really like the content, merry Christmas
Good work again lads diving into the questions us club level riders ponder in those long kms. The honesty especially from Chris in this ep is great about thoughts on weight etc. Thanks again
I love Jesse’s passion & stubbornness. Chris has constantly raised eyebrows and a stifled smirk as he rants on 😂 I’m going to do a go fund me to buy Chris an iron 👍
Thanks for the Christmas Day episode!! On the cycling UA-cam discussion...I am probably as big a viewer of Cycling UA-cam as anyone, I also completely ignore Instagram, it has absolutely no value for me. One thing that I think drove views in some areas this year, specifically the pro cycling niche on YT was the collapse of GCN Plus, especially for those of us in the US who were left with a patchwork of costly options for viewing races. In that respect, the beneficiaries were channels like Lantern Rouge. I will admit that I resorted to using some of the bootleg channels on YT in order to get my racing content. As Patrick from LRCP has spoken on many times, there is a massive potential for live professional racing on YT, however, the way that the races are organized and the broadcast rights managed, it is nearly impossible to put together an organized way to broadcast the World Tour and other major races. I believe the cycling equipment/bike tech niche of YT content will continue to slow significantly. For me, a lot of the bike and equipment chat is getting boring and repetitive. The Asian market influence has lost the "shiny new thing" appeal and new bike and equipment releases from the major brands are repetitive and not inspiring in any way. I believe it is important to also note specific brands (and Teams) which have found a way to leverage YT in very successful ways. Silca comes to mind as a brand that while they solely focus on promoting their own products, seems to have developed a near cult-like following (full disclosure, I am a Silca fan-boy). The EF Education pro cycling teams should also be mentioned for their pro cycling team content, they are head-and-shoulders above anyone else, their team/race content is awesome. A final area that I would call out which you did not mention is the "cycling lifestyle" type of channel. Amy Cycling Adventures is a great example of that and a channel that has grown significantly over 2023/2024. Going forward, if we ignore the "racing enthusiast" audience, I would argue that those cycling lifestyle channels will grow to be more and more influential in attracting new cyclists to the sport. I believe you will see brands that will recognize this and support those channels more as they are relatively inexpensive to support and they will likely have a more direct link to the population that will consistently and increasingly spend money in the sport.
After 20 minutes of climbing, wind can play a huge role, and I did not hear much about this in the discussion. Winds, wind directions, air pressure, and weather conditions can play leading roles in dictating actual climb times, especially 20-minute climbs. Overall, time is sometimes not the end game. Mother nature can literally dictate so much. You might have had a more successful effort, better power, better heart rate control, and a better overall performance. Was this a faster effort even if not a faster time.
Air pressure? Wind, heat, rain, cold… sure but obviously he would mention it if he were bucking a huge headwind. From watching the video l don’t see any wind, the trees are totally still. Age… yep. I’ve seen the same thing being heavier with more watts more weight and more age.
@ajnevitt ummmm.... what forces are most when cycling that cause the largest drag when at maximum exhaustion speeds? Answer me this.. it is a simple question, so just a simple answer, please
I used to be 60.5 kg back when i did a couple everestings. I took up the gym and don't ride much and now im 76.5 kg. Now i am trying to dig myself out of a fitness hole. Not easy.
Great episode guys. The comparison of climbing then and now really resonated with me. I often look back over the times I raced and think was I fixated on watts per kg? I was 52kg max effort around 5 watts/kg. In pretty high level races even some with pro level riders when a race had long steep climbs I could finish them ‘in the bunch’. I’m 30 years older now 60kg about 4 watts/kg. My bike is 1.5 kg lighter and aero, even though it’s a ‘dog’ 795 LOOK blade. I don’t race but over all my training courses, I’m faster now than I was when I raced. Obviously on the steep climb max effort sections I’m wayyy slower. Every time my mind goes back to the way it felt being ‘super light’ and ‘flying up’ those steep climbs, sometimes even with pro riders. I wonder though if I had been 60 kg and still managed 5 watts per kg, what memories might I have from those racing days, hmmmmm
Rode my mountain bike on the trails with my sons in a trailer when they were young. It was quite a work out that they loved doing steep dirt climbs. Be fun was a 1:30 to 2:00 ride after work. Got me in really good shape at the time. That was more than a decade ago now. Could use that training weight now in a trailer vs my mid section.
I think people watch you for the banter and your vibe or/and the always very interesting chat with industry experts like Joe, Peak Torque, or Tour Magazin. Maybe also the training content because you guys are definitely super fit. But every time you drift into pseudo- and bro science without taking the piss out of it, the 100k subs go out of the window
I think world tour spec Jay Vine would get that handful of seconds without a doubt. It's a pretty relaxed, hanging with the fam spec Jay Vine for that last run.
I reckon you guys deserve 100k subs and beyond! But I think more shows with other cyclist UA-camrs, pros and amateurs and most importantly more gravel race videos they’re frickin awesome to watch.. especially if you’re like me and can’t ride due to injury!
Hey Chris! (I'm assuming Jesse doesn't read the comments) I have a sugestion for a recurring segment, basically the dream 1 complete bike, per parts, for example, the s-works frame, with crw wheels, an enve cockpit, shiamno dura-ace, but with cybrey carbon powermeter crankset, ceramic speed parts, (be as geeky as you want) silca bartape, silca wax etc etc, and then say a new part comes out, you would update said dream bike. No price in question, but the goal isnt also to have the most expensive piece of gear, its more of, if you could only have 1 what would it be and why.
Tyler put out a video about a fondo he did a few years back that he won and he was very lean, and did this year that he did well but was a bit slower but heavier and fitter. He noted that he felt much better and could have gone more but he was absolutely crushed and wasted and took a while to recover. Do you notice the same thing being a bit heavier and stronger, that you recover faster? And Jasper Verkuil did Haute Route at 80kgs and placed top 5…just saying.
As ever, really enjoyed the podcast. Listen every week (usually work). The main topic was interesting with Chris's power and weight being up but speed down. Being a heavier rider, you're better suited to gravel than road with a lot of climbing now. Not that you're heavy, by any stretch! I'm 203cm, 102kg, 4.3w/kg FTP and climb well for my size, but there is no way I can keep up with normal sized people on climbs. One thing I do have is some strength in repeatability - is that something you've noticed with the weight gain? Less absolute speed up the climbs but more of an ability to repeat efforts. More glycogen storage and less cumulative fatigue in larger muscles? Either way, Merry Christmas, Happy New Year and thanks again for the great content. Should you ever make it to Sweden and want to experience world class champagne gravel, look me up.
The sad truth is that the fastest ‘you’ is the lightest ‘you’ that hasn’t lost power. I think a sensible model - as an amateur racer - is to find this mass and increase it by 5%-7% in order to sustain a healthy lifestyle.
The changes in power resulting from changes in body weight and general shape may point in opposite directions for different efforts. Summer-Me, 65 kg and in shape: 370 W 20 min, 1000 W Sprint Winter-Me, 67 kg and out of shape: 350 W 20 min, 1100 W Sprint
for Patrick Lino: how does he compare the Enve SES 4.5 and the No6 50/58? similar depth and width wheels but the No6 50/58 are about 200g lighter and have carbon spokes
Fast twitch fibers just have the potential for faster contractions, but it doesn't mean that Chris has to do velodrome racing to activate them. Generally speaking as long as Chris was pushing to limit on his climb, his body will have to eventually recruit his fast twitch fibers. The reason why his extra muscle didn't help as much is because the benefits of extra muscle are correlated with your cross sectional area, but mass scales with volume so in general you don't really get stronger pound per pound
I'm interested in the Lifetime Grand Prix Series business model. we did the doco shows for Ironman Tri's, races like Cape to Cape etc for years, multi camera post produced is a lot of work per episode. Facebook Live pretty much stopped all this and now i see a turnaround as people running these events realise their sport live is mostly quite boring for the masses. Lifetime turn around a show in 48hrs for YT, personally I think this new Super League Road series here in Aus should have gone the same way. they met with a mate of mine about TV, the company he works for does the TDU, proper live TV is big $$. Unless it's a big classic or the worlds, most people are asleep watching a RR after 25min
My own experience is every climbing PB I have is an outlier statistically. The other thing is most of my top 10 times on all climbs are on aluminium rim brake bikes...
Is there a chance that 68kg Chris with slightly higher power resists fatigue enough better that it creates a situation where if there's a critical climb 100mi into a race you actually go a bit faster on that climb because 62kg Chris is more cracked and get get as close to peak numbers?
I love Dylan Johnson because his science training was relevant to ALL cyclists, and then he brings all cyclists over to his race recap videos whether or not we ride gravel or not.
FYI I listen to this video while riding. Interesting that even though you mentioned Durian Rider a couple of more times you didn’t see get to include him in you cycling channels to watch. Sure Durian is a bit of a meme but he is influential and whether you like it, he is a very good climber. He also has considerably more subs that this channel
Almost overnight when GCN became independent the content became way better. I had stopped watching completely, but i am back now. Not religiously but i still do watch it. Sadly the best content used to be Bike Radar but the guys that made it so good have left.
I'm guessing that this is well understood and obvious to most, based on how it was presented in the conversation, but can you help me understand why the w/kg necessary to maintain speed decreases the more watts and weight an individual carries?
For a few reasons: 1) bike weight is a bigger percentage of total mass for lighter riders 2)a rider that’s twice the weight and twice the power won’t punch twice the size hole in the air. 3)misc. resistance like rolling and drivetrain friction do scale with weight & power, but like air resistance, still disadvantages lighter riders.
Tyres definitely matter uphill and those have changed a fair bit during the last 15 years. And while tyres technically are bike independent that doesn't quite work anymore with rim brakes limiting you to 23mm
You have a 7km climb in Sydney??? Pardon me for being an ignorant euro-twerp but I have watched you guys since the begining and I thought the area around was just a flat desert wasteland, since you ride round and round in that park all the time😂😂 Anyways, great show. 100k subs coming soon.
It's about 2 hours south of Sydney. There are quite a few great climbs of approximately this size (although this would be one of the biggest) within a few hours of Sydney. By the way Sydney is actually very hilly but they are short and punchy. I live in the same suburb as what I think are the punchiest in Sydney - they are around 100m elevation but are very steep hitting 20%ish.
Sydney riders are puncheurs, it’s all rolling hills and rarely flat. Our roads are rarely smooth, it usually varies between asphalt hot-mix with many potholes, chip seal or cracked concrete slabs with seams running through the middle.
If you compare Chris’s performances by 20-min compound score, his 2018 self was 1.4% better. To break even with ‘18 Chris, ‘24 Chris could either lose 1 kg or raise 20-min power by 2.5 watts. Side note: I had AI tell me where 2024 Chris is faster than 2018 Chris. It estimated that 2024 Chris is faster on everything under 6%
7kg heavier and 6 years older.. and you’re only over a minute slower up the same climb. That’s a great effort. I think you could match your PB time without changing anything. Try doing the climb with a tailwind. You’ll smash it. You look healthier at 68kg. Even without a tailwind I think you can match your PB. You’re already not far off it TBH.
What Dylan Johnson does very well is share the 'recipe'. You don't get this much anywhere. For me, he challenges the status quo, does tech chat very well (those funky bikes are pure nerd stuff), bubbles down the numbers nicely, and share the hustle so it just not 'I am a pro with insane engine and a vague way to get there, and I don't really challenge what the sponsors give me'. When you factor in the memes, the bonk bros, and that he might have 'killed the spirit of gravel' and you get a recipe for success in this gravel YT space. I own Conti RK 2.2s, and Rule28 stuff just because of him. Thanks for the drop on Christmas boys! (I am subscribed ;) )
You can fit 2.2 on a gravel bike? My Canyon Grizl only takes 2.1 and I am already suprised by that...
Dylan is a lot of fun because hes a total nerd that believes his stuff and doubles down with good results
Agree. Dylan didn’t start as a primarily race recaps channel. He succinctly explains the science behind becoming more fit on the bike.
I think D.J.'s experiments are great for us. I just hope you don't buy stuff just because a pro cyclists uses them, like those people who bought 165 cranks and blue BBs just because of Pogi.
Agreed. I don't watch Dylan Johnson for Unbound or gravel. I started watching Dylan Johnson for the training advice. Then it was great watching the Unbound videos where he put his advice into practice and was able to keep up with the improving field despite not being the most genetically gifted. It's a bit similar how I started watching Jesse's training videos and then moved onto watching the Nero Show, though I still wish Jesse did more training videos..
You guys are unsung heroes. I honestly can't understand why you don't have a following 10 times greater. Keep it up. I know you will break through!
Tbf they are at the bleeding edge of cycling podcast listenership and cultural relevance at the moment
Tell your friends and enemies
Great show this week gentlemen. Interesting take about whether or not 8-10 min videos are dying off in favor of Instagram reels. And if longer form content is more appealing. I'll need to test this theory out myself. When the content is both excellent and consistent like Dylan Johnson's is, folks tune in. It also helps that he only uploads once a month.
I've been paying for you to premium for the better part of a decade. I really do miss the 5 to 10 minute video format. I enjoy these long podcasts and honestly despite short reels. Thanks Patrick for putting out that exact length five to 10, sometimes 15 minutes. Enough time to learn something but not invest too much time
Jasper Verkuijl makes the best cycling racing videos on youtube IMO, he is one of the few I will watch all videos. He does't upload that often though.
I'll check it out!
I have been watching him for years. From early crit videos when he'd visit LA as a pilot to the crazy long rides he does now. Indeed, always good content. And did Haute Route twice - and well.
Seconded. Dude is a f*&kin monster as well.
Technical skill on the bike
Jasper’s videos are amazing, his multi-day stage race video series are killer.
We follow Dylan not because of his content because he is Dylan. He is a UA-cam personality hands down.
🤯🤯 thanks for the shoutout guys. crazy!
Jasper, love your content. Well deserved.
Thank CHRIST theres finally something interesting online on Christmas Day
Dylan's success is based on the trust his viewers have that he will tell us everything he is doing, and why, to compete at the highest level in US gravel, over all the known areas for cycling improvement.
Thanks for the climbing experiment and assessment of W/kg vs pure power. It’s a benefit to the community that x2 highly experienced and aspirational figure heads provide a balanced view on the importance of maintaining a healthy lifestyle and weight vs seeking pure speed uphill. A message that easily gets lost due to the cycling industry focus on weight and W/kg - a trap I have fallen into myself and still wrestle with
Thank you for the mention, gentlemen. It is really appreciated.
Like Chris, I too appreciate the content coming out of Singapore and Malaysia.
Happy New Year!
Nice one, glad you like the show!
merry christmas. i don't really find those mainstream/popular cycyling youtube entertaining, nero show is one of my favourite cycling content this is basiclly the only thing i still kept listening/watching to. maybe i have been too deep in this rabbit hole. this thing should be much bigger, i believe in it.
Favorite alt-bike UA-cam channel is Ultraromance. That guy is about as far from Chris and Jesse as you get in cycling, but I enjoy the vibe of his videos.
Hell yeah brother
It's criminal that Nero boys don't have 200k subs, let alone 100k. Imagine you never knew about this channel, and one day you find them with 100s of episodes to watch. oh the joy.
No it's very understandable. For the most part they just aggregate from others. Then they shout out a YT account that has multiple sexual assault allegations. This is why people won't sub
@@theverybestof2004
- There's thousands of channels on UA-cam that aggregate from others. Best performing channels are pretty much all reacting to other videos. Nothing wrong with that. Don't you discuss what you hear on a daily basis with your friends? That's pretty much Nero is doing. Discussing bike related topics that they've heard. PLENTY of us enjoy that and do that ourselves in our lives with riding buddies.
- Do you genuinely believe when they shoutout a channel they know every bit of detail about the channel / person? Are you really gonna sit here and try to cancel someone based on "oh this channel has cool videos?" I watched oz cycle for years and learned a ton from him. Then I found out he killed his neighbor's dog and went to jail. Disgusting human being. But do I deserve cancelling because I didn't know that fact about him? I have never ever clicked on a video of his after finding out about that. I highly doubt Nero boys would shoutout channels they KNOW for a fact to be run by garbage people. On that note, I've listened to all the shoutouts and have no idea which one you are referring to.
@@8rk I never cancelled them, you did. In this rambling Ted Talk reply. And if you don't know who I am referring to that's your ignorance on show. I guess this does show the audience these guys are appealing to.
Did you guys ever watch chris horners grand tour stage reviews & classics? I haven't seen anything even close to that 👌
Awesome show, really like the content, merry Christmas
Chris Horner aka The Horndog?
Listening to this podcast while on my bike. Merry Christmas lad from half way across the world in Canada.
Happy New Year!
Another great episode. Chris have a post ride latte on me. Just no cake with it 😉
HAHA!! Thanks Richard, much appreciate.
Good work again lads diving into the questions us club level riders ponder in those long kms. The honesty especially from Chris in this ep is great about thoughts on weight etc. Thanks again
Thanks mate! Much appreciated.
I love Jesse’s passion & stubbornness. Chris has constantly raised eyebrows and a stifled smirk as he rants on 😂 I’m going to do a go fund me to buy Chris an iron 👍
HAHAHA!!!
Thanks for the Christmas Day episode!!
On the cycling UA-cam discussion...I am probably as big a viewer of Cycling UA-cam as anyone, I also completely ignore Instagram, it has absolutely no value for me.
One thing that I think drove views in some areas this year, specifically the pro cycling niche on YT was the collapse of GCN Plus, especially for those of us in the US who were left with a patchwork of costly options for viewing races. In that respect, the beneficiaries were channels like Lantern Rouge. I will admit that I resorted to using some of the bootleg channels on YT in order to get my racing content. As Patrick from LRCP has spoken on many times, there is a massive potential for live professional racing on YT, however, the way that the races are organized and the broadcast rights managed, it is nearly impossible to put together an organized way to broadcast the World Tour and other major races.
I believe the cycling equipment/bike tech niche of YT content will continue to slow significantly. For me, a lot of the bike and equipment chat is getting boring and repetitive. The Asian market influence has lost the "shiny new thing" appeal and new bike and equipment releases from the major brands are repetitive and not inspiring in any way.
I believe it is important to also note specific brands (and Teams) which have found a way to leverage YT in very successful ways. Silca comes to mind as a brand that while they solely focus on promoting their own products, seems to have developed a near cult-like following (full disclosure, I am a Silca fan-boy). The EF Education pro cycling teams should also be mentioned for their pro cycling team content, they are head-and-shoulders above anyone else, their team/race content is awesome.
A final area that I would call out which you did not mention is the "cycling lifestyle" type of channel. Amy Cycling Adventures is a great example of that and a channel that has grown significantly over 2023/2024. Going forward, if we ignore the "racing enthusiast" audience, I would argue that those cycling lifestyle channels will grow to be more and more influential in attracting new cyclists to the sport. I believe you will see brands that will recognize this and support those channels more as they are relatively inexpensive to support and they will likely have a more direct link to the population that will consistently and increasingly spend money in the sport.
Thank you Jesse and Chris for a great Christmas Present 🎁 show was perfect fun for Christmas morning.
Christmas miracle
After 20 minutes of climbing, wind can play a huge role, and I did not hear much about this in the discussion. Winds, wind directions, air pressure, and weather conditions can play leading roles in dictating actual climb times, especially 20-minute climbs. Overall, time is sometimes not the end game. Mother nature can literally dictate so much. You might have had a more successful effort, better power, better heart rate control, and a better overall performance. Was this a faster effort even if not a faster time.
Air pressure? Wind, heat, rain, cold… sure but obviously he would mention it if he were bucking a huge headwind. From watching the video l don’t see any wind, the trees are totally still. Age… yep. I’ve seen the same thing being heavier with more watts more weight and more age.
@ajnevitt ummmm.... what forces are most when cycling that cause the largest drag when at maximum exhaustion speeds? Answer me this.. it is a simple question, so just a simple answer, please
War bei dem Rennen auch dabei 😅 Grüße von P29. Es war genau so hart wie es im Video gezeigt wird 😊. Macht weiter so!
I ate a lot of Christmas cookies this week. I mean *a lot*. So this is the content I needed today.
Haha yeah I was thinking the same. Will I be fitter after a few days of eating mainly cheese 😂
This was a great episode, loved the whole thing
its been 4 minutes mate
@@lbanezjs1000 hahahaha
I used to be 60.5 kg back when i did a couple everestings. I took up the gym and don't ride much and now im 76.5 kg. Now i am trying to dig myself out of a fitness hole. Not easy.
Y’all got my sub thanks for the great shows guys.
Great episode guys. The comparison of climbing then and now really resonated with me.
I often look back over the times I raced and think was I fixated on watts per kg?
I was 52kg max effort around 5 watts/kg. In pretty high level races even some with pro level riders when a race had long steep climbs I could finish them ‘in the bunch’.
I’m 30 years older now 60kg about 4 watts/kg. My bike is 1.5 kg lighter and aero, even though it’s a ‘dog’ 795 LOOK blade.
I don’t race but over all my training courses, I’m faster now than I was when I raced. Obviously on the steep climb max effort sections I’m wayyy slower. Every time my mind goes back to the way it felt being ‘super light’ and ‘flying up’ those steep climbs, sometimes even with pro riders. I wonder though if I had been 60 kg and still managed 5 watts per kg, what memories might I have from those racing days, hmmmmm
Your content keeps getting better guys, very insightful. Keep it up
Much appreciated!
Rode my mountain bike on the trails with my sons in a trailer when they were young. It was quite a work out that they loved doing steep dirt climbs. Be fun was a 1:30 to 2:00 ride after work. Got me in really good shape at the time. That was more than a decade ago now. Could use that training weight now in a trailer vs my mid section.
thanks for another interesting podcast guys, especially for getting this one out over xmas
Happy Christmas. Thanks for another year of top notch content.
I think people watch you for the banter and your vibe or/and the always very interesting chat with industry experts like Joe, Peak Torque, or Tour Magazin. Maybe also the training content because you guys are definitely super fit. But every time you drift into pseudo- and bro science without taking the piss out of it, the 100k subs go out of the window
I think world tour spec Jay Vine would get that handful of seconds without a doubt. It's a pretty relaxed, hanging with the fam spec Jay Vine for that last run.
You guys should do the 7 day haute route alps
I reckon you guys deserve 100k subs and beyond! But I think more shows with other cyclist UA-camrs, pros and amateurs and most importantly more gravel race videos they’re frickin awesome to watch.. especially if you’re like me and can’t ride due to injury!
If you have a break from the test you will find your WKG goes up because your hemoglobin will still be up for at least 6 weeks.
Merry Christmas and thanks boys for the 2024 content. Looking forward to your cycling insights in 2025!
Appreciate it! It’s going to be a big year.
Hey Chris! (I'm assuming Jesse doesn't read the comments) I have a sugestion for a recurring segment, basically the dream 1 complete bike, per parts, for example, the s-works frame, with crw wheels, an enve cockpit, shiamno dura-ace, but with cybrey carbon powermeter crankset, ceramic speed parts, (be as geeky as you want) silca bartape, silca wax etc etc, and then say a new part comes out, you would update said dream bike. No price in question, but the goal isnt also to have the most expensive piece of gear, its more of, if you could only have 1 what would it be and why.
That’s a great segment. It’s certainly one we want to hit regularly with every guest we have on the show
@Chris Miller - Have you gone up Barrengarry on the S5? Would like to see the comparison of an all out effort on the aero bike vs. the TCR.
Not an all out effort. I’ll try over the next few weeks
21:50 "It never gets easier, you just go faster" - Velominati
That's from Greg LeMond :)
Tyler put out a video about a fondo he did a few years back that he won and he was very lean, and did this year that he did well but was a bit slower but heavier and fitter. He noted that he felt much better and could have gone more but he was absolutely crushed and wasted and took a while to recover. Do you notice the same thing being a bit heavier and stronger, that you recover faster? And Jasper Verkuil did Haute Route at 80kgs and placed top 5…just saying.
On Christmas Day?! We are SPOILED 🎉❤
As ever, really enjoyed the podcast. Listen every week (usually work).
The main topic was interesting with Chris's power and weight being up but speed down. Being a heavier rider, you're better suited to gravel than road with a lot of climbing now. Not that you're heavy, by any stretch! I'm 203cm, 102kg, 4.3w/kg FTP and climb well for my size, but there is no way I can keep up with normal sized people on climbs. One thing I do have is some strength in repeatability - is that something you've noticed with the weight gain? Less absolute speed up the climbs but more of an ability to repeat efforts. More glycogen storage and less cumulative fatigue in larger muscles?
Either way, Merry Christmas, Happy New Year and thanks again for the great content. Should you ever make it to Sweden and want to experience world class champagne gravel, look me up.
Great stuff guys!
Appreciate it!
Love you guys! Merry Christmas 💯
Another cracking episode
Hi Chris, do you have any thoughts on the Ccache 40mm disc wheelset? Always interesting listening to your show.
Merry Christmas Guys, much love from Arkansas
The sad truth is that the fastest ‘you’ is the lightest ‘you’ that hasn’t lost power. I think a sensible model - as an amateur racer - is to find this mass and increase it by 5%-7% in order to sustain a healthy lifestyle.
I would love to see a comparison pre & post weight gain over a 20 minute flat or rolling terrain.
I did the trailer thing with my two kids. They liked it for a while, but they always went to sleep. Made the hills hard(er)
The changes in power resulting from changes in body weight and general shape may point in opposite directions for different efforts.
Summer-Me, 65 kg and in shape: 370 W 20 min, 1000 W Sprint
Winter-Me, 67 kg and out of shape: 350 W 20 min, 1100 W Sprint
I miss the daily vlog from Xmas between Xmas and Nye!
no.1 podcast on the no.1 day
The no. 1 day of the baby jesus' life. Amen brother, amen. Time for some soaking.
"System weight" 😂 32:51
When my kids were little they did hours in the sled. They would watch movies and loved it. 2 hrs sleeping and 2 hrs on a movie…
be nice to provide height along with weight. I'm 187cm so 68kg sounds uncomfortably thin for me - my lean weight is 72kg and my heavy weight is 78kg.
Healthy weight for 187cm guy would be between 80 - 90 kg.
@@tongotongo3143
Nope.
65-86kg
It's really not helpful to make stuff up.
Please, please, please do the ten week program to beat your old time. Would be awesome to see how you do it.
Hey Joe, I think you’re right, I might have to give it a go
for Patrick Lino: how does he compare the Enve SES 4.5 and the No6 50/58? similar depth and width wheels but the No6 50/58 are about 200g lighter and have carbon spokes
Will put it on the list.
Was there a difference in the wind speed/direction on both days? That could make a massive difference
Coyles kid in the trailer won’t be going to sleep. Be like bring in a bloody NASCAR in Centennial 🤣
😂😂
Trailer ✅
Kids ride shotgun/ Mac ride next. Probably won’t work on a TCR though.
I don’t think it matters if they sleep in it or not.
re the climb, any noticeable difference in weather? ie best time was in a cooler time of the year
It was definitely cooler on the day of my PB.
Jesse riding around with the "sled" will be like polar adventurers doing dryland training pulling on a tire 😅
🤣🤣
Poor Jesse has been called out 😂 Let’s see if he gets the 500 logged.
You 2 are the best cycling podcast....even with chris constantly referring to himself in the 3rd person
Get Patrick to mention his new Tideace Noah gravel bike build. Proper aliexpress Chinertown job.
Merry Christmas, Y'all 🎄🎉🎅🥳
Anyone have a link for the 2018 vlog of the same climb they mention? I searched for that climb's name and couldn't find it.
Episode 113 | 20min Max Effort
ua-cam.com/video/jylDkjwXXHs/v-deo.html
I am watching this and I am thinking have you guys considered wind effect? That can easily justify the difference.
I like this channel way more than GCN.
Full gas is full gas, no matter how strong you are. Max efforts hurt maximally.
You cannot cheat Father Time.
Thanks for the kudos! 😎
😎👊
CONCLUSION: weight does matter (a lot) -
i know that being at 82kg (185cm tall)
exactly the same as me. Getting dropped on the 1+ min climbs 😂
Fast twitch fibers just have the potential for faster contractions, but it doesn't mean that Chris has to do velodrome racing to activate them. Generally speaking as long as Chris was pushing to limit on his climb, his body will have to eventually recruit his fast twitch fibers. The reason why his extra muscle didn't help as much is because the benefits of extra muscle are correlated with your cross sectional area, but mass scales with volume so in general you don't really get stronger pound per pound
Weight/volume and cross sectional area would go up at the same rate because the muscle has a fixed length.
I'm interested in the Lifetime Grand Prix Series business model. we did the doco shows for Ironman Tri's, races like Cape to Cape etc for years, multi camera post produced is a lot of work per episode. Facebook Live pretty much stopped all this and now i see a turnaround as people running these events realise their sport live is mostly quite boring for the masses. Lifetime turn around a show in 48hrs for YT, personally I think this new Super League Road series here in Aus should have gone the same way. they met with a mate of mine about TV, the company he works for does the TDU, proper live TV is big $$. Unless it's a big classic or the worlds, most people are asleep watching a RR after 25min
were you drafting the 1st time up the climb?
My own experience is every climbing PB I have is an outlier statistically. The other thing is most of my top 10 times on all climbs are on aluminium rim brake bikes...
Is there a chance that 68kg Chris with slightly higher power resists fatigue enough better that it creates a situation where if there's a critical climb 100mi into a race you actually go a bit faster on that climb because 62kg Chris is more cracked and get get as close to peak numbers?
*can't get as close to peak numbers?
You should mount a kids seat on a carbon tail fin, better performance and faster down hills
16 watts is not much, whats the error margins and fluctuations with any ftp test?
I love Dylan Johnson because his science training was relevant to ALL cyclists, and then he brings all cyclists over to his race recap videos whether or not we ride gravel or not.
good chat today gents, what is the road to better?
FYI I listen to this video while riding. Interesting that even though you mentioned Durian Rider a couple of more times you didn’t see get to include him in you cycling channels to watch. Sure Durian is a bit of a meme but he is influential and whether you like it, he is a very good climber. He also has considerably more subs that this channel
If gravel had any future on youtube Keep Smiling Adventures would be doing good numbers but they are ok without anything breaking through.
Wait, can you explain why a heavier person doesn't need to match watts per kg please.
Trailer is great to go on adventures, lots of bike tracks, going to the park etc. Training... not so much.
Chris the easiest way to drop weight and gain power is to ride a 7kg do it all aero bike and get rid of the S5 :)
Almost overnight when GCN became independent the content became way better. I had stopped watching completely, but i am back now. Not religiously but i still do watch it.
Sadly the best content used to be Bike Radar but the guys that made it so good have left.
Independent isn’t how I would describe GCN…Elitewheels, Pinarello, Orbea, Wahoo advertising channel
Out of interest for context, how tall are you Chris? Love the episode 👍
175cm
Who's old mate in the Australian national champ kit at 1:07:15? 🤔
I'm guessing that this is well understood and obvious to most, based on how it was presented in the conversation, but can you help me understand why the w/kg necessary to maintain speed decreases the more watts and weight an individual carries?
If on the flats it's pure physics, more mass = more force =more speed
150w on a flat road by a 50kg rider is already harder than 150w by a 70k rider
For a few reasons:
1) bike weight is a bigger percentage of total mass for lighter riders
2)a rider that’s twice the weight and twice the power won’t punch twice the size hole in the air.
3)misc. resistance like rolling and drivetrain friction do scale with weight & power, but like air resistance, still disadvantages lighter riders.
Tyres definitely matter uphill and those have changed a fair bit during the last 15 years. And while tyres technically are bike independent that doesn't quite work anymore with rim brakes limiting you to 23mm
Don’t understand I can get 32’s on my rim brake bikes but stick to 25 front 28 rear.
@adammillsindustries. Example my 2011 Shimano 105 rim brakes barely take 25mm
@@PHHE1 Well 23 are great for climbing. Less system weight and they stretch out a bit on a modern wheelset too.
@adammillsindustries.yes my 2017 Black Inc rim brake wheels take 28’s front and rear just fine.
Isn't the festive 5 a normal training week for most?
You have a 7km climb in Sydney??? Pardon me for being an ignorant euro-twerp but I have watched you guys since the begining and I thought the area around was just a flat desert wasteland, since you ride round and round in that park all the time😂😂
Anyways, great show. 100k subs coming soon.
Not in Sydney.
It's about 2 hours south of Sydney. There are quite a few great climbs of approximately this size (although this would be one of the biggest) within a few hours of Sydney. By the way Sydney is actually very hilly but they are short and punchy. I live in the same suburb as what I think are the punchiest in Sydney - they are around 100m elevation but are very steep hitting 20%ish.
Sydney riders are puncheurs, it’s all rolling hills and rarely flat. Our roads are rarely smooth, it usually varies between asphalt hot-mix with many potholes, chip seal or cracked concrete slabs with seams running through the middle.
If you compare Chris’s performances by 20-min compound score, his 2018 self was 1.4% better. To break even with ‘18 Chris, ‘24 Chris could either lose 1 kg or raise 20-min power by 2.5 watts. Side note: I had AI tell me where 2024 Chris is faster than 2018 Chris. It estimated that 2024 Chris is faster on everything under 6%
I’m in the MTB YT bubble and Dylan Johnson came up through the algorithm..😊
Interesting. Maybe that’s key to his success, multiple bubbles
7kg heavier and 6 years older.. and you’re only over a minute slower up the same climb. That’s a great effort. I think you could match your PB time without changing anything. Try doing the climb with a tailwind. You’ll smash it. You look healthier at 68kg. Even without a tailwind I think you can match your PB. You’re already not far off it TBH.