@@Cherllyio Bill: so.. what's ur preference of chaos? NHD: making the MC mentally unstable Bill: SAME BESTIE SAMMEEE * Insert teen girls squealing sound effect *
Macaque seemed pretty confused about what Nine Head was talking about when he asked him about his powers. I think Macaque just assumed that his shadow powers were just his own ability and never thought once about how he got them. Perhaps someone granted him this ability and he never knew.
Yea! Or like he... forgot? I really have to make a thoery one day about all this "forgotten memory stuff". But yea! it seems like he just assumed that: "Oh it just my powers". He possbily forgot that he made the deal, after he died? Idk- i will have to do some more resaerch :) Awesome theory!
@@Cherllyioin Jttw macaque is one of the primordials, not gods, but pieces of stone that existed before the gods and were brought to life by them. Macaque in the myth had the ability to hear everything past and future and be able to mimic anything, hence his ability to perfectly mimic wukong.though it seems that in monkey kid he doesn't have that ability anymore, not once do we see him knowing info by using his "six ears" This version of macaque likely trades away his omnipresence, a very op ability. Also macaque carried the will of the six desires who were killed by wukong at the start of the journey.He's the equivalent to wukong falling back into old habits. If macaque made a deal with someone there's a high chance it was either the six desires, or someone who wanted his omnipresence.
My theory about the deal, as soon as I noticed Macaque was confused when Xiangliu mentioned it, was that a Macaque of a previous cycle made a deal with a god/entity so powerful that it carried over into the current cycle. The Six-Eared Macaque's only abilities mentioned in JTTW were all just imitations of Wukong's powers and his many ears' ability to hear past/present/future. Meanwhile in Lego Monkie Kid, he has shadow/chaos powers and four of his ears are conspicuously absent. I think that some how, for some reason, the Macaque of a previous cycle "traded" his ability to hear the past/future in favor of the shadow abilities he had in s1-5 specifically so he could steal the chaos power from Xiangliu. If he did previously possess the ability to hear the future, the past Macaque may have been plotting against Xiangliu for a long time.
I don't think Macaque made a deal, my theory is that he was born with the chaos powers. There is no backup on the 'Macaque used to have white fur' theory other than that people loved a Macaque from a different Journey to the West adaptation where he had white fur. It's confirmed on Macaque's character sheet that his six ears are hidden behind magic. I think that the theory that appearances change after making a deal is totally right but I don't think it applies to Macaque, hence why I think he was born with the abilities. Macaque is the only monkey not born from a stone, which could potentially mean that he wasn't created by Nuwa but by someone else. He's certainly unstable where his powers are concerned which could indicate that he's a 'defective' immitation of Wukong in the sense that his body can't whistand the magnitude of his powers whereas Wukong can, which is why Wukong seemingly has limitles potential but Macaque has a level cap. I call him a 'defective immitation' of Wukong, not because I think he's a clone but that whatever created him certainly used Wukong as some kind of blueprint but used a dark academia moodboard. Macaque and Wukong are two completely different kinds of monkey, they confirmed that Wukong and MK are stone moneys but Macaque is a mystic monkey but the show hasnt explained at all what that means. If season 6 doesn't give us a Macaque origin story im gonna be sad. lol
@@saysikeern202I’m glad my rambling and conspiracy theories make sense lol. Here’s the thing, people are assuming macaque made a deal because Nine assumed he did. It makes sense to Nine, Nine got his powers because he made a deal but that doesn’t necessarily mean macaque did too. Not to mention macaque didn’t seem to know what he was talking about. Unless he made a deal and somehow forgot which seems like lazy writing, it would make more sense that he was born with them because that would also explain how he doesn’t know where these powers originate from. These are his powers and he seems to be able to gauge his limitations pretty well despite his instability. It’s more likely that he had a cap before the journey to the west but either experienced something traumatic during the journey like the erlang burning down the mountain which caused him to lose control and losing that level cap which he can’t handle OOOR, his cap was removed my someone. It’s confirmed by the show that Macaque has lived in the mountain just as long as Wukong has (if I remember this part correctly, I think it was season 5 episode 1 or 2 where macaque and wukong are screaming at each other about MK) that would mean that he was likely also born in the mountain.
@Bri-gt1jt I would also add that in the flashback we got, it seemed that Mac had his powers for as long as Wukong knew him. Also where u say Mac lost control of his powers, I would relate that to the fight between Mac and Wukong where he was heard laughing manically and that mightve been due to his powers consuming him and causing him to embody them, to become chaotic.
@@saysikeern202 Yes I completely agree, and that was also exactly what I meant with macaque losing control. The flashback is the only instance where we can confirm that he was unstable. But he had his shadow powers before his fight with Wukong. His ears have always been hidden behind magic, even in the flashbacks which is why if Macaque HAS made a deal, which again I don’t think he has, it would’ve been between the time where Wukong had been imprisoned and the fight that ended up killing him. He still looks the same in all the flashbacks unless he’s been hiding his appearance behind magic which makes no sense because he clearly doesn’t seem to know what Nine is talking about. Even macaque is confused that he has chaos powers. HOWEVER he does seem to know exactly what his limitations are as seen when Nine has them all trapped and he frees them all. He collapses from fatigue and he knew that would happen. That’s why I say he has a level cap. It’s still all a theory but the possibility that perhaps a traumatic event or maybe a higher power, maybe the person that created Macaque, removed that cap and caused his instability. I’m relating it to adrenaline tbh.
I agree with this mainly because he is seen with his shadow staff in one of the flash backs in the brother hood so it doesn't make sense to me when he made a deal, also that still he still has his six ears so what would he give up a deal?
So... his deal kind of conitued over from the last cycle? That could be interesting! But... I do think it is from this timeline, since we are focusing on this Macaque from this timeline, and what he is dealing with. But stil, cool theory!!
love this theory RV sketch also mentioned in her own theory that in the lego set macaques face mask keeps growing in some sets, I also think its unlikly that Spider Queen or the hundred eyed demon would strike a deal since they're already kinda dead, and Mac struck his while he was alive
Oh yea! I have seen their theory! His mask could also have changed (along with other parts of his body). Also true that Spider Queen and the hundred eyed demon are deadddddd - but it would be kind of "chaotic" if they suddenly brought old characthers we thought were gone back to life :)
macaque's missing six ears could probably be him hiding them with glamor and his hearing seems to be really sensitive(im pretty sure they would be cus bro has six ears that can hear past, present and future.). Like When Pigsy was singing Macaque's ears start ringing while Tang's doesn't. Mac having white fur doesn't really make too much sense to me since in flashbacks he has black fur. Plus he was created from Wukong's mind and was basically the evil wukong (how Wukong managed to basically befriend his sort of evil counterpart is beyond my understanding but it hella impressive). Maybe he might have white fur or atleast a lighter colour of fur and only uses glamor to hide his fur so people can tell him and wukong appart. Either way this theory is really interesting and I atleast hope something like this or something similar happens in the show because it would be interesting
He could be hiding them with glamour! Maybe he does it wtihout even being like... aware of it? Like he has forgotten he has them ( he has some shaky memories after all). I do like the theory that Macaque comes from Wukongs mind, but it isnt exactly confirmed yet. Plus it could be diffrent in this show, with so many changes from JTTW to LMK already.
I thought it was confirmed that macaque just hides his extra ears with magic, not to mention he does have a scar over his eye as well, something else he also disguises
@@Cherllyio Yeah,it's not confirmed,but don't you think it's weird how they reference it? Consider "The Winning Side" where he splits the van to two,just like the interpretation of the story in the book.Why do I think it's important? Cause this far,the series seems to be pretty caught up in the allegories.Look at Mr.Tang's speech in "Benched" that references Tripitaka as the allegory of heart,or Ao Lie's speech in "Court of The Yellow Robed Demon" where he said "A sword is powerless without the hand that wields it",which can be taken as a reference to how he represents human will (seen on how he sent Pigsy to get Wukong in that chapter,'The Horse of Human Will sends Eight Rules',or sum like that). They even referenced the journey's meaning in S5's end monologue by Mr.Tang basically saying that it's not destination that matters,but the journey that they do. Also,this one seems really far fetched,but in a way,MK getting the most mental burden (from basically doing everything,just like Wukong back then) can be connected to how Wukong & Macaque are the allegory of mind (I mean,they're referred to as 'two minds'). But hey,that's my interpretation on it (holy moly this is long)
I have a theory connected to Macaque’s powers. When Wukong mentioned that he only trusts the people present, and Macaque reacted with surprise, I couldn't help but think of his reaction differently than what most people might think. Macaque’s response felt a bit off to me, despite it making sense in his situation. Given the strong hints-or maybe even a reveal-that Macaque might have struck a deal to gain his powers (since the original Macaque didn’t have these abilities), his reaction might indicate that he’s also unsure of himself. He could be worried that the demon he made a deal with will come after him, forcing him to betray everyone to pay off his debt. This could introduce a new villain they all have to face, with Macaque grappling with the consequences of his deal. It might even set the stage for a villain in season 7 if the series continues.
oooh! That could be really cool! It seems like in the next season, we are going to have a bigger focus on Macaque, so going deeper into his insecurites and so on, could be cool!
Your theories do you have a good points, but I think Mac was confused when he was asked about a deal so I think that it may have been caused by the lady bone demon when he was resurrected
@@Cherllyio Hey never watched any of your theories before so going in completely blind on this but I think one thing The Nine Headed Demon said might tell how Macaque got his powers. He suggests that he's known monkey King many times, but seeing how Monkey King had not seen him before (or he'd probably remember) most likely it was in the universe prior to this. So if that's the case I'd say the previous Macaque might have made the deal and thus because chaos is a power that transcends the universe he probably may have had it in the following existence.
I have a feeling its just a catalyst of LBD bringing him back. It's been said that LBD was the one to bring him back, and with how much knowledge she has and her understanding of destiny, I don't think its a stretch that she used the power of primordial chaos to bring Macaque back, this kinda infusing him with some control over it, and thus letting him unbind himself from The Nine Headed Demon's chaos bindings
Good point, though it does seem a bit weird someone who loves order, would give someone "chaos powers", and we do see him use shadow powers before he died... hmm
@@Cherllyio I suppose, but Macaque does not seem to understand what’s really going on with his powers, the only indication was him seemingly knowing his powers can effect those chaos bindings. But his reason for being alive again was entirely cause of LBD. It feels like she’s just the right fit, maybe chaos was just the only thing she could use to bring him back, and her believing she can reign in chaos due to her foreseen destiny may be why.
Ok this is my theory so the reason why Macaque's power changed red at the end is i think because his power reverted back to his original power which was "Chaos Energy" now this might be a stretch but hear me out we know in the old sets Macaque's clone color components were Red rather than purple shadowy colors i willing to bet when he was created he was a weapon of chaos hence why he kept saying the term Weapon during the time he was mentoring MK within that one episode and we know from the original Macaque never had "Shadow Powers" meaning he got these powers from a deal but who? I am willing to bet that the Red Phyton Demon Deal Theory might be true based of the info i mean the power is "RED" he got his powers from a deal based of what the 9 headed demon said also during the begging of S5 Wukong,MK and Macaque were brought to the place of the kings and that they were "Chaos" which backs up the fact that Macaque could have had powers related to "Chaos" and now you might say how about him being confused about his powers from a deal? If he got his powers from a deal he should know about it well what if he lost memories about it when he got resurrected we know for a fact Macaque is basically "DEAD" but got revived by LBD meaning maybe he hasn't fully got all his past memories and forgot about the deal or maybe he was affected by the scroll before and lost his memories about it or his memories were scrambled during resurrection or after making the deal to make him think he was born with those powers rather than a deal all in all i am excited for S6 ngl the animation on S6 still looks dope and gives similar vibes to the OG it might be more stiff and less flowy but it's still good can't wait for S6 and i hope they let WildBrain cook more rather than rush them like let em cook.
Holy shit that was long- (its awesome) i like the idea of him forgetting thanks to the "being dead thing", though I am going to theorise on that In a future video :)
I've Researched on this topic, and apparently a Red Snake Demon that can KINDA, SORTA make or use Shadow-like Powers. It's even Mentioned in Journey to the West, few times in the Book. Honestly, I feel like for Season 6, Macaque will end up just getting out of control due to that Red Snake Demon taking control of his mind, really. Then, the others will have to find a way to stop this new Enemy while also trying to save Macaque.
Oh yea! I have heard of that too! (RV sketch) though I dont... think so? Mostly because we are starting to separate from JTTW to other chinese mytholical creatures (Like the guardians and Nüwa).
I really like this theory but there is something that confused me. Macaque in the S4 flashbacks didn't have his six ears and his white hair so is it possible Macaque made the deal before that moment and before their fight. Maybe Macaque over time lost control of his powers which resulted in the fight between him and Wukong. If you answered this in the video I'm sorry it might have flown over my head.
Oh! I forgot to mention that-! I do think he made the deal before the fight (and probaly also before they met the brotherhood) and then when things started to get bad, between him and Wukong, he also started to loose control of his powers (because maybe his powers are connected in some way to his mental health if that makes sense?)
I dont know if you watched monkey king 2009 but macaque making a deal was a thing there and thats also how he gained most of his powers maybe you can find more parallels but theres so many similar stuff even to macaque having a different appearance and the deal changing how he looks over time a channel called monkie central is uploading them in sub monthly right now if ur interested
In the book it was said that he wasn’t the only six eared macaque and he was the last of his kind so maybe got it from the others either before or after they died so he didn’t make a deal hence why he was confused about a deal
sanmiao is also an ancient tribal confederacy in ancient china who migrated south and became several southeast asian ethnic groups iirc. not really relevant to the mythology in monkie kid, but it’s cool
I wonder if the Rakshasa will appear in this show, for those who dont know who those are they're essentially a race moslty malevolent beings with supernatural powers, as for why they could show up is due to one rakshasa known as the demon nonkey of destruction being responsible for the creation of the four spiritual monkeys of destuction(wukong, macaque, 2 others), while not the main threat Dmod might make for a good early season big bad giving Wukong and Macaque some existential drama as they find the dark truth of their origins and face their maker possibly acompanied by two long forgotten brothers.
I'm actually confused about that.Cause isn't Princess Iron Fan described as a Rakshasi (female equivalent)? Also,one of the descriptions of a Rakshasa is 'jailer/torturer of hell' that has goat or bull heads (DBK is said to be inspired by Ox-Head,one of Yama's agent).(Does this means Red Son's species is a Rakshasa? Makes sense I guess) So in a way they're already here. Man,I never thought Indian mythological creatures in China would confuse me this much.
My questions that you can answer (if u want): When did Mac make the deal? How was Mac able to "break off" Nine's chaos powers? Why is Mac's power thing suddenly orange and black instead of purple and black? idk maybe u already answered them in the vid and im just stoooobid. btw i like ur vids :)
Ok lets gooo: 1. I dont know when macaque made a deal (specically avoided it-) but I am planning to make a video about it!!! 2. Because the chaos powers are too much alike, meanning they push eachother away (like magnets) 3. I have no idea Also thank youuu :D
Nine headed demon, asks Macaque with whom he made a deal with to get his powers, which makes me think that Macaque powers are related to Chaos, which is not surprising, like Shadows being connected to abyss and dark magic and all of that and Macaque asks what deal? Which can mean two possibilities One: Macaque is lying and he really got some bad habits of making deals Two: Macaque has no idea what he is talking about, which leads to two other possibilities One that Macaque made a deal but doesn’t remember, which means his memories had been manipulated, or two Macaque is born with this power like we all assuming but there is a part of it a depth that even he doesn’t know yet, which makes me think there is still a lot about his past that we don’t know, we really don’t give him enough credit, I mean he is a celestial primate, beings that only had four of them in the entire world his shadows turning from purple highlighted to orange same as nine Power Aka the same as the “Chaos” and then that same power is seen in the staff, at the end and Macaque turn his head, after like he felt it Which makes me think, do you think next season will be Macaque Centric? I mean obviously MK is still the protagonist, and all but I mean we will get more of him, and even finally gets to see his past fully
Yes! I do belive it to be more "macaque" centered, but also Mei! Since it was both shown in ep 5 (seaaon 5), that there is still stuff with her going on, that their are setting up :)
ok just a heads up i wanted to ask this theory out by a person who actually searches about the character alright? so when xiangliu (i think i spelt it corretly?) said "im your old friend! you just don't remember..." i thought the in the previous cycle sun wukong was mk and when sun wukong jumped into the pillar it didnt work since he wasnt in his full power or something... so it didnt work so when the new cycle started xiangliu made sure he was in his full power mastering them with ease thats why he said "finally..." FINALLY???!!! (this is just a theory since i got skeptical since sun wukong doesnt know him... neither does azure, macaque, lady bone demon and other characters... xiangliu IS THE BIG BAD!)
It does seem like they know eachother from like a previous cycle, that Xiangliu remembers, but Wukong doesent. And it could be a possibility that Sun Wukong took the role of MK in some timelines! and the "full power"-thing? Yea! that is a possiblity too! Cool thoery! I will remember that!
@@Cherllyio Thanx :D that theory has been running around my mind and i couldnt tell anybody yet since my friend is on vacay... thanx fr heaing me out :D
I have been reading all of your comments. Allow me to put some input. During the final battle with the 9-headed guy, we see the orange stuff, the “chaos energy” right? We see 9-head guy asking about Macaque’s powers, mentioning a deal and Macaque having no idea about it. His powers seem to do some damage to the guy, separating him from the chaos briefly. Then, the conversation between him and MK happened and he mentioned someone was winning. What if that someone was the person Macaque supposedly “made a deal with”? And he doesn’t remember because his memories were altered or he was too young at the time? Because during the ending speech, he looks worried at his hand which goes from purple to orange. Not to mention Wukong’s staff at the end with orange sparks and Macaque is the only one who looked at it with concern. All I’m saying is that maybe Macaque will have a bigger role in season 6 and maybe our ship between Wukong and Macaque will get better or worse. Maybe we get to see what happened between them…
I now understand what nine meant when he said you and what’s remaining it means that other people will make deals with the gods so he’s saying that it (others making deals) will happen so u (mk) and the others will have to fight against them
This is unrelated,but have you considered making a theory about how there's been a big underworld theme going on? R.V Sketch's theory on LBD has me realising that we've got 2 major manipulator villains that are Diyu-related (if you think about it,Nine Heads can benefit from LBD's plan to erase the entire world) and 4 villains that are thrown out of there (all of which are Wukong's former friends,that's crazy). But also the theme of cycles and death,since Nine-Heads here is taking the place of Zhuanlun Wang,the King that is in charge of reincarnations.If you know where I'm going specifically with this one,it might explain Wukong's friends being gone (Like,the big idea of Buddhism basically,right? Though I think this might be too heavy to put into something like LMK tbh,and I'm sure some would agree).But yea,basically it's weird that Diyu comes up a lot.Macaque even brought up how Wukong's companions all came back (from how Wukong talks about his 'companions' and the brotherhood separately,I think he's referring to MK's friends which I'm glad that it's finally being pointed out). I got reminded of this when I remember that someone theorised Wukong met NHP in the previous cycle,explaining Wukong not remembering him (since you were planning on making a theory on LMK's 'memory loss').Plus,it's weird that they brought Diyu up again with the scene where he came back to Diyu's court room.
I do think they will have a focus on the underworld, espically with the 10 kings now dead (Nine killed them after all), and since Macaque "died" he could a good figure to put in there. Along with that, I have seen some theories that Ao lie might still be alive, but in the scroll, and since no one are watching the scrolls now, he can get out. Which woulf also create an interesting dynamic between Ao lie and Macaque (aka someone who knew wukong after he got better vs someone who only knew him when he had a lot of issues)
I thought Macaque made a deal with LBD to come back to life and that's why he was indebted to her doesn't that also represent when the Samadi fire cause the chains to go away bringing the saying 'It worked' and in season 4 the skull key was supposed to be brought by Macaque why? he made a deal with her, and he was supposed to bring back the key to get her back to life. I got this theory from S4 hope this is helpful
I don't want the show to end just so we can know what happened between Wukong & Macaque. Or what M.K. stands for either. The writers should figure out how to move forward without holding such things back. They always do that. "Oh, the couple gets together at the end of the story because we don't know how to write relationships in the present tense, only past." What the heck?! If their lovers than let them love. If their brothers than let them be bros. Just get that part Effing over with instead of string it along. This is part of what made me stop watching Miraculous. Don't You DEAR Turn LMK Into another Miraculous!
Oooooh boy... yea I am quiestioing that too- but... maybe it could be because he lost some meories after he died? I have seen some theories around, that LBD changed his memories about how he died, so maybe she also changed someting about how he got his powers?
My theory: If he made the deal before in another universe, he may not remember as he's been brought back. However the powers being powers of chaos can overcome that, meaning they came back to him when he was reborn from his stone.
Mabey just mabey the Diya ( the Hell where Macaque was send afther his death) chould be the chain too seeing there color where also blue so they chould also make it
Ohhh yea- same. Im planning to make theory about that, since there is so many chracthers who has lost their memories in some way, but there is just so many possbilites to what could have happend, so im still working on it-
I seen a person on their Chane say it was a red snake but one thing what ever the person said the one in the show said some of it with our kontak had session with me because of RV Sketch.not all make sense but some does look turn when that one snake 🐍 said it .
Huh... I dont think Nine is dead? It seems like Macaque already had chaos powers, before Nine, but he wasnt aware that they were chaos powers until now.
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Or maybe it was just Bill Cipher, Macaque made a deal with, who knows? :)
The next theory will be about Macaque and Wukong's forgotten memories.
Can we have some art of that LMK fans?
@@hybridvenom9 That sounds fun!
Ngl I feel like Bill and NHD would team up 😭😭
@@MikeMayCommitArson YEA- they would be besties
@@Cherllyio
Bill: so.. what's ur preference of chaos?
NHD: making the MC mentally unstable
Bill: SAME BESTIE SAMMEEE
* Insert teen girls squealing sound effect *
Macaque seemed pretty confused about what Nine Head was talking about when he asked him about his powers. I think Macaque just assumed that his shadow powers were just his own ability and never thought once about how he got them. Perhaps someone granted him this ability and he never knew.
Didn't he have something called a "shadow lantern" before he used shadow powers on his own?
@@mjcsandboxgames4021 yeah but it was never seen again after the fake mayor took it from Macaque
Yea! Or like he... forgot? I really have to make a thoery one day about all this "forgotten memory stuff". But yea! it seems like he just assumed that: "Oh it just my powers". He possbily forgot that he made the deal, after he died? Idk- i will have to do some more resaerch :) Awesome theory!
@@mjcsandboxgames4021 Oh yea!... Maybe it was given to him after he made the deal? A way for him to control his already unstable powers?
@@Cherllyioin Jttw macaque is one of the primordials, not gods, but pieces of stone that existed before the gods and were brought to life by them.
Macaque in the myth had the ability to hear everything past and future and be able to mimic anything, hence his ability to perfectly mimic wukong.though it seems that in monkey kid he doesn't have that ability anymore, not once do we see him knowing info by using his "six ears"
This version of macaque likely trades away his omnipresence, a very op ability.
Also macaque carried the will of the six desires who were killed by wukong at the start of the journey.He's the equivalent to wukong falling back into old habits.
If macaque made a deal with someone there's a high chance it was either the six desires, or someone who wanted his omnipresence.
My theory about the deal, as soon as I noticed Macaque was confused when Xiangliu mentioned it, was that a Macaque of a previous cycle made a deal with a god/entity so powerful that it carried over into the current cycle.
The Six-Eared Macaque's only abilities mentioned in JTTW were all just imitations of Wukong's powers and his many ears' ability to hear past/present/future. Meanwhile in Lego Monkie Kid, he has shadow/chaos powers and four of his ears are conspicuously absent. I think that some how, for some reason, the Macaque of a previous cycle "traded" his ability to hear the past/future in favor of the shadow abilities he had in s1-5 specifically so he could steal the chaos power from Xiangliu. If he did previously possess the ability to hear the future, the past Macaque may have been plotting against Xiangliu for a long time.
oooooh!! Planning ahead even in to diffrent cycles! My god thats genius! Cool theory'!
his extra ears are hidden by magic
I don't think Macaque made a deal, my theory is that he was born with the chaos powers. There is no backup on the 'Macaque used to have white fur' theory other than that people loved a Macaque from a different Journey to the West adaptation where he had white fur. It's confirmed on Macaque's character sheet that his six ears are hidden behind magic. I think that the theory that appearances change after making a deal is totally right but I don't think it applies to Macaque, hence why I think he was born with the abilities. Macaque is the only monkey not born from a stone, which could potentially mean that he wasn't created by Nuwa but by someone else. He's certainly unstable where his powers are concerned which could indicate that he's a 'defective' immitation of Wukong in the sense that his body can't whistand the magnitude of his powers whereas Wukong can, which is why Wukong seemingly has limitles potential but Macaque has a level cap. I call him a 'defective immitation' of Wukong, not because I think he's a clone but that whatever created him certainly used Wukong as some kind of blueprint but used a dark academia moodboard. Macaque and Wukong are two completely different kinds of monkey, they confirmed that Wukong and MK are stone moneys but Macaque is a mystic monkey but the show hasnt explained at all what that means. If season 6 doesn't give us a Macaque origin story im gonna be sad. lol
Love this theory, it encompasses my ideas perfectly!!
@@saysikeern202I’m glad my rambling and conspiracy theories make sense lol. Here’s the thing, people are assuming macaque made a deal because Nine assumed he did. It makes sense to Nine, Nine got his powers because he made a deal but that doesn’t necessarily mean macaque did too. Not to mention macaque didn’t seem to know what he was talking about. Unless he made a deal and somehow forgot which seems like lazy writing, it would make more sense that he was born with them because that would also explain how he doesn’t know where these powers originate from. These are his powers and he seems to be able to gauge his limitations pretty well despite his instability. It’s more likely that he had a cap before the journey to the west but either experienced something traumatic during the journey like the erlang burning down the mountain which caused him to lose control and losing that level cap which he can’t handle OOOR, his cap was removed my someone. It’s confirmed by the show that Macaque has lived in the mountain just as long as Wukong has (if I remember this part correctly, I think it was season 5 episode 1 or 2 where macaque and wukong are screaming at each other about MK) that would mean that he was likely also born in the mountain.
@Bri-gt1jt I would also add that in the flashback we got, it seemed that Mac had his powers for as long as Wukong knew him. Also where u say Mac lost control of his powers, I would relate that to the fight between Mac and Wukong where he was heard laughing manically and that mightve been due to his powers consuming him and causing him to embody them, to become chaotic.
@@saysikeern202 Yes I completely agree, and that was also exactly what I meant with macaque losing control. The flashback is the only instance where we can confirm that he was unstable. But he had his shadow powers before his fight with Wukong. His ears have always been hidden behind magic, even in the flashbacks which is why if Macaque HAS made a deal, which again I don’t think he has, it would’ve been between the time where Wukong had been imprisoned and the fight that ended up killing him. He still looks the same in all the flashbacks unless he’s been hiding his appearance behind magic which makes no sense because he clearly doesn’t seem to know what Nine is talking about. Even macaque is confused that he has chaos powers. HOWEVER he does seem to know exactly what his limitations are as seen when Nine has them all trapped and he frees them all. He collapses from fatigue and he knew that would happen. That’s why I say he has a level cap. It’s still all a theory but the possibility that perhaps a traumatic event or maybe a higher power, maybe the person that created Macaque, removed that cap and caused his instability. I’m relating it to adrenaline tbh.
I agree with this mainly because he is seen with his shadow staff in one of the flash backs in the brother hood so it doesn't make sense to me when he made a deal, also that still he still has his six ears so what would he give up a deal?
The thing is that Macaque may not have made a deal at least in this universe as he doesnt seem to know what nine is talking about
So... his deal kind of conitued over from the last cycle? That could be interesting! But... I do think it is from this timeline, since we are focusing on this Macaque from this timeline, and what he is dealing with. But stil, cool theory!!
love this theory RV sketch also mentioned in her own theory that in the lego set macaques face mask keeps growing in some sets, I also think its unlikly that Spider Queen or the hundred eyed demon would strike a deal since they're already kinda dead, and Mac struck his while he was alive
Oh yea! I have seen their theory! His mask could also have changed (along with other parts of his body). Also true that Spider Queen and the hundred eyed demon are deadddddd - but it would be kind of "chaotic" if they suddenly brought old characthers we thought were gone back to life :)
macaque's missing six ears could probably be him hiding them with glamor and his hearing seems to be really sensitive(im pretty sure they would be cus bro has six ears that can hear past, present and future.). Like When Pigsy was singing Macaque's ears start ringing while Tang's doesn't. Mac having white fur doesn't really make too much sense to me since in flashbacks he has black fur. Plus he was created from Wukong's mind and was basically the evil wukong (how Wukong managed to basically befriend his sort of evil counterpart is beyond my understanding but it hella impressive). Maybe he might have white fur or atleast a lighter colour of fur and only uses glamor to hide his fur so people can tell him and wukong appart. Either way this theory is really interesting and I atleast hope something like this or something similar happens in the show because it would be interesting
He could be hiding them with glamour! Maybe he does it wtihout even being like... aware of it? Like he has forgotten he has them ( he has some shaky memories after all). I do like the theory that Macaque comes from Wukongs mind, but it isnt exactly confirmed yet. Plus it could be diffrent in this show, with so many changes from JTTW to LMK already.
I thought it was confirmed that macaque just hides his extra ears with magic, not to mention he does have a scar over his eye as well, something else he also disguises
@@Cherllyio Yeah,it's not confirmed,but don't you think it's weird how they reference it? Consider "The Winning Side" where he splits the van to two,just like the interpretation of the story in the book.Why do I think it's important? Cause this far,the series seems to be pretty caught up in the allegories.Look at Mr.Tang's speech in "Benched" that references Tripitaka as the allegory of heart,or Ao Lie's speech in "Court of The Yellow Robed Demon" where he said "A sword is powerless without the hand that wields it",which can be taken as a reference to how he represents human will (seen on how he sent Pigsy to get Wukong in that chapter,'The Horse of Human Will sends Eight Rules',or sum like that).
They even referenced the journey's meaning in S5's end monologue by Mr.Tang basically saying that it's not destination that matters,but the journey that they do.
Also,this one seems really far fetched,but in a way,MK getting the most mental burden (from basically doing everything,just like Wukong back then) can be connected to how Wukong & Macaque are the allegory of mind (I mean,they're referred to as 'two minds').
But hey,that's my interpretation on it (holy moly this is long)
I have a theory connected to Macaque’s powers. When Wukong mentioned that he only trusts the people present, and Macaque reacted with surprise, I couldn't help but think of his reaction differently than what most people might think. Macaque’s response felt a bit off to me, despite it making sense in his situation.
Given the strong hints-or maybe even a reveal-that Macaque might have struck a deal to gain his powers (since the original Macaque didn’t have these abilities), his reaction might indicate that he’s also unsure of himself. He could be worried that the demon he made a deal with will come after him, forcing him to betray everyone to pay off his debt. This could introduce a new villain they all have to face, with Macaque grappling with the consequences of his deal. It might even set the stage for a villain in season 7 if the series continues.
oooh! That could be really cool! It seems like in the next season, we are going to have a bigger focus on Macaque, so going deeper into his insecurites and so on, could be cool!
Your theories do you have a good points, but I think Mac was confused when he was asked about a deal so I think that it may have been caused by the lady bone demon when he was resurrected
Hmm.... I dont think he got it from LBD since she is all about "order", so he likely just made the deal before he died. But still, cool theory!! :D
@@Cherllyio Hey never watched any of your theories before so going in completely blind on this but I think one thing The Nine Headed Demon said might tell how Macaque got his powers.
He suggests that he's known monkey King many times, but seeing how Monkey King had not seen him before (or he'd probably remember) most likely it was in the universe prior to this. So if that's the case I'd say the previous Macaque might have made the deal and thus because chaos is a power that transcends the universe he probably may have had it in the following existence.
@@tsunertoo9149 That could be a possbility! Chaos powers are shown to be weird, and we still have a lot to learn about them.
If your explanation video happens next season just like last time with MK, I’m gonna lose my mind
Well... good luck bud :)
I have a feeling its just a catalyst of LBD bringing him back. It's been said that LBD was the one to bring him back, and with how much knowledge she has and her understanding of destiny, I don't think its a stretch that she used the power of primordial chaos to bring Macaque back, this kinda infusing him with some control over it, and thus letting him unbind himself from The Nine Headed Demon's chaos bindings
Good point, though it does seem a bit weird someone who loves order, would give someone "chaos powers", and we do see him use shadow powers before he died... hmm
@@Cherllyio I suppose, but Macaque does not seem to understand what’s really going on with his powers, the only indication was him seemingly knowing his powers can effect those chaos bindings. But his reason for being alive again was entirely cause of LBD. It feels like she’s just the right fit, maybe chaos was just the only thing she could use to bring him back, and her believing she can reign in chaos due to her foreseen destiny may be why.
Ok this is my theory so the reason why Macaque's power changed red at the end is i think because his power reverted back to his original power which was "Chaos Energy" now this might be a stretch but hear me out we know in the old sets Macaque's clone color components were Red rather than purple shadowy colors i willing to bet when he was created he was a weapon of chaos hence why he kept saying the term Weapon during the time he was mentoring MK within that one episode and we know from the original Macaque never had "Shadow Powers" meaning he got these powers from a deal but who? I am willing to bet that the Red Phyton Demon Deal Theory might be true based of the info i mean the power is "RED" he got his powers from a deal based of what the 9 headed demon said also during the begging of S5 Wukong,MK and Macaque were brought to the place of the kings and that they were "Chaos" which backs up the fact that Macaque could have had powers related to "Chaos" and now you might say how about him being confused about his powers from a deal? If he got his powers from a deal he should know about it well what if he lost memories about it when he got resurrected we know for a fact Macaque is basically "DEAD" but got revived by LBD meaning maybe he hasn't fully got all his past memories and forgot about the deal or maybe he was affected by the scroll before and lost his memories about it or his memories were scrambled during resurrection or after making the deal to make him think he was born with those powers rather than a deal all in all i am excited for S6 ngl the animation on S6 still looks dope and gives similar vibes to the OG it might be more stiff and less flowy but it's still good can't wait for S6 and i hope they let WildBrain cook more rather than rush them like let em cook.
Holy shit that was long- (its awesome) i like the idea of him forgetting thanks to the "being dead thing", though I am going to theorise on that In a future video :)
I've Researched on this topic, and apparently a Red Snake Demon that can KINDA, SORTA make or use Shadow-like Powers. It's even Mentioned in Journey to the West, few times in the Book. Honestly, I feel like for Season 6, Macaque will end up just getting out of control due to that Red Snake Demon taking control of his mind, really. Then, the others will have to find a way to stop this new Enemy while also trying to save Macaque.
Oh yea! I have heard of that too! (RV sketch) though I dont... think so? Mostly because we are starting to separate from JTTW to other chinese mytholical creatures (Like the guardians and Nüwa).
I really like this theory but there is something that confused me. Macaque in the S4 flashbacks didn't have his six ears and his white hair so is it possible Macaque made the deal before that moment and before their fight. Maybe Macaque over time lost control of his powers which resulted in the fight between him and Wukong. If you answered this in the video I'm sorry it might have flown over my head.
Oh! I forgot to mention that-! I do think he made the deal before the fight (and probaly also before they met the brotherhood) and then when things started to get bad, between him and Wukong, he also started to loose control of his powers (because maybe his powers are connected in some way to his mental health if that makes sense?)
I was waiting for someone to cover this
Me too I needed answers
He he, glad to help! :D
@@OthandoSimamane-ss1xp he he :D
I dont know if you watched monkey king 2009 but macaque making a deal was a thing there and thats also how he gained most of his powers maybe you can find more parallels but theres so many similar stuff even to macaque having a different appearance and the deal changing how he looks over time a channel called monkie central is uploading them in sub monthly right now if ur interested
Oooh! I had heard about that show (watched like the first ep), but I didnt knowt that happend! I will check out! Thank you!!
Correction their channel name is Monkey Servant
Sorry for the confusion 😭
Wasn't it Azure Lion that he made a deal with? (Idk cause I can't find the one with English subtitle)
In the book it was said that he wasn’t the only six eared macaque and he was the last of his kind so maybe got it from the others either before or after they died so he didn’t make a deal hence why he was confused about a deal
Hmm...interesting.
Reminds me of a four-eared monkey that appears in the same book as Xiangliu,Gonggong and Nuwa.
You mean the four primates?
@@claudius3359oh! Who that?!?
sanmiao is also an ancient tribal confederacy in ancient china who migrated south and became several southeast asian ethnic groups iirc. not really relevant to the mythology in monkie kid, but it’s cool
Oh yea! I did see a bit of that in my research! And it is cool! History and mytholgy is cool
Macaque probably made two deals. One with LBD to return to the mortal world and another to get chaos or shadow powers.
Ooooooh!! That could be really cool, because then Macaque would be the perfect middle ground for this whole "order vs chaos"- stuff that is going on!
Season 5 made me cry so baddddd my brother even made fun of me 😢😢😢😢😢😢😢 also sun wukong crying that made me cry 😭 ❤❤❤❤❤ love him
SAME BRO, I BAWLED MY EYES OUT
I just stumbled upon this and the LMK obsessed person I am I clicked on it, can't wait for the next theory😊.
Oh thank you!!!! Glad to see that the LMK brainrot is mutual :D
I will never ever get the name hundun out of my head 😫
Suffer :)
(Its deleting my commets-) im sorry ;-;
Yay about time we started talking season 6 🎉
Wohoooo!!
so that's what those 4 sealed pokemon are based on
Wait, I dont play/watch pokemong give me a sec- OMG YES!!
Is this game theory omggggg this is amazing ❤
Oh! Thank youuu ;-;
I wonder if the Rakshasa will appear in this show, for those who dont know who those are they're essentially a race moslty malevolent beings with supernatural powers, as for why they could show up is due to one rakshasa known as the demon nonkey of destruction being responsible for the creation of the four spiritual monkeys of destuction(wukong, macaque, 2 others), while not the main threat Dmod might make for a good early season big bad giving Wukong and Macaque some existential drama as they find the dark truth of their origins and face their maker possibly acompanied by two long forgotten brothers.
I'm actually confused about that.Cause isn't Princess Iron Fan described as a Rakshasi (female equivalent)? Also,one of the descriptions of a Rakshasa is 'jailer/torturer of hell' that has goat or bull heads (DBK is said to be inspired by Ox-Head,one of Yama's agent).(Does this means Red Son's species is a Rakshasa? Makes sense I guess) So in a way they're already here.
Man,I never thought Indian mythological creatures in China would confuse me this much.
Omg- i have to read up on that! Thank you!!
@@claudius3359oh really? I didnt know that!
I‘m so exited i just started readind „The junary to the west“ in hope of more monkey lore😈🐒
My questions that you can answer (if u want):
When did Mac make the deal?
How was Mac able to "break off" Nine's chaos powers?
Why is Mac's power thing suddenly orange and black instead of purple and black?
idk maybe u already answered them in the vid and im just stoooobid.
btw i like ur vids :)
Ok lets gooo:
1. I dont know when macaque made a deal (specically avoided it-) but I am planning to make a video about it!!!
2. Because the chaos powers are too much alike, meanning they push eachother away (like magnets)
3. I have no idea
Also thank youuu :D
@@Cherllyio :D
Nine headed demon, asks Macaque with whom he made a deal with to get his powers, which makes me think that Macaque powers are related to Chaos, which is not surprising, like Shadows being connected to abyss and dark magic and all of that
and Macaque asks what deal? Which can mean two possibilities
One: Macaque is lying and he really got some bad habits of making deals
Two: Macaque has no idea what he is talking about, which leads to two other possibilities
One that Macaque made a deal but doesn’t remember, which means his memories had been manipulated, or two Macaque is born with this power like we all assuming but there is a part of it a depth that even he doesn’t know yet,
which makes me think there is still a lot about his past that we don’t know, we really don’t give him enough credit, I mean he is a celestial primate, beings that only had four of them in the entire world
his shadows turning from purple highlighted to orange same as nine Power Aka the same as the “Chaos” and then that same power is seen in the staff, at the end and Macaque turn his head, after like he felt it
Which makes me think, do you think next season will be Macaque Centric? I mean obviously MK is still the protagonist, and all but I mean we will get more of him, and even finally gets to see his past fully
Yes! I do belive it to be more "macaque" centered, but also Mei! Since it was both shown in ep 5 (seaaon 5), that there is still stuff with her going on, that their are setting up :)
ok just a heads up i wanted to ask this theory out by a person who actually searches about the character alright? so when xiangliu (i think i spelt it corretly?) said "im your old friend! you just don't remember..." i thought the in the previous cycle sun wukong was mk and when sun wukong jumped into the pillar it didnt work since he wasnt in his full power or something... so it didnt work so when the new cycle started xiangliu made sure he was in his full power mastering them with ease thats why he said "finally..." FINALLY???!!! (this is just a theory since i got skeptical since sun wukong doesnt know him... neither does azure, macaque, lady bone demon and other characters... xiangliu IS THE BIG BAD!)
It does seem like they know eachother from like a previous cycle, that Xiangliu remembers, but Wukong doesent. And it could be a possibility that Sun Wukong took the role of MK in some timelines! and the "full power"-thing? Yea! that is a possiblity too! Cool thoery! I will remember that!
@@Cherllyio Thanx :D that theory has been running around my mind and i couldnt tell anybody yet since my friend is on vacay... thanx fr heaing me out
:D
ill watch this later, read a few of the comments and now im excited to see what your theories are!!
aww! Thank you! :D
.... I dont know what to say , this makes sooo much sense!!! Like god this is so goood . Very underrated
Aww!! Thank you! I worked really hard on this theory!! (Aka my entire summer vacation)
@@Cherllyio your welcome 😭😭
I have been reading all of your comments. Allow me to put some input. During the final battle with the 9-headed guy, we see the orange stuff, the “chaos energy” right? We see 9-head guy asking about Macaque’s powers, mentioning a deal and Macaque having no idea about it. His powers seem to do some damage to the guy, separating him from the chaos briefly. Then, the conversation between him and MK happened and he mentioned someone was winning. What if that someone was the person Macaque supposedly “made a deal with”? And he doesn’t remember because his memories were altered or he was too young at the time? Because during the ending speech, he looks worried at his hand which goes from purple to orange. Not to mention Wukong’s staff at the end with orange sparks and Macaque is the only one who looked at it with concern. All I’m saying is that maybe Macaque will have a bigger role in season 6 and maybe our ship between Wukong and Macaque will get better or worse. Maybe we get to see what happened between them…
Yaaaaay theory time
wooo!
I now understand what nine meant when he said you and what’s remaining it means that other people will make deals with the gods so he’s saying that it (others making deals) will happen so u (mk) and the others will have to fight against them
This is what I think
Yea!! That actaully does make sense!!
Brooo i love Ur theorys! Pls make more
Thank you!!! Means so much;-; AND I WILL MAKE MORE THEORIES
This is unrelated,but have you considered making a theory about how there's been a big underworld theme going on? R.V Sketch's theory on LBD has me realising that we've got 2 major manipulator villains that are Diyu-related (if you think about it,Nine Heads can benefit from LBD's plan to erase the entire world) and 4 villains that are thrown out of there (all of which are Wukong's former friends,that's crazy).
But also the theme of cycles and death,since Nine-Heads here is taking the place of Zhuanlun Wang,the King that is in charge of reincarnations.If you know where I'm going specifically with this one,it might explain Wukong's friends being gone (Like,the big idea of Buddhism basically,right? Though I think this might be too heavy to put into something like LMK tbh,and I'm sure some would agree).But yea,basically it's weird that Diyu comes up a lot.Macaque even brought up how Wukong's companions all came back (from how Wukong talks about his 'companions' and the brotherhood separately,I think he's referring to MK's friends which I'm glad that it's finally being pointed out).
I got reminded of this when I remember that someone theorised Wukong met NHP in the previous cycle,explaining Wukong not remembering him (since you were planning on making a theory on LMK's 'memory loss').Plus,it's weird that they brought Diyu up again with the scene where he came back to Diyu's court room.
I do think they will have a focus on the underworld, espically with the 10 kings now dead (Nine killed them after all), and since Macaque "died" he could a good figure to put in there. Along with that, I have seen some theories that Ao lie might still be alive, but in the scroll, and since no one are watching the scrolls now, he can get out. Which woulf also create an interesting dynamic between Ao lie and Macaque (aka someone who knew wukong after he got better vs someone who only knew him when he had a lot of issues)
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Another theory says its some red python
Oh yea! I have heard of that theory, though I dont belive that to be the case (I will make a video talking about that)
OMG THIS IS SO UNDERRATED, I THOUGHT THIS HAD MORE SUBS!!?
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I will remember you. Also thank youuu :)
Why is no one talking about how you just draw his ears in the bi flag colours😭
He he- bi headcanon :3
Y’all deep diving into this shit I just said it was lady bone demon-
Its the brainrot :V
I thought Macaque made a deal with LBD to come back to life and that's why he was indebted to her doesn't that also represent when the Samadi fire cause the chains to go away bringing the saying 'It worked' and in season 4 the skull key was supposed to be brought by Macaque why? he made a deal with her, and he was supposed to bring back the key to get her back to life. I got this theory from S4 hope this is helpful
I don't want the show to end just so we can know what happened between Wukong & Macaque.
Or what M.K. stands for either.
The writers should figure out how to move forward without holding such things back.
They always do that.
"Oh, the couple gets together at the end of the story because we don't know how to write relationships in the present tense, only past."
What the heck?!
If their lovers than let them love.
If their brothers than let them be bros.
Just get that part Effing over with instead of string it along.
This is part of what made me stop watching Miraculous.
Don't You DEAR Turn LMK Into another Miraculous!
Your points were understandable but now begs the question why doesn't he remember when NHD asked him about it
Maybe instead of making a deal, he was created by Hundun? This would however make the white fur and 6 ears a question.
Oooooh boy... yea I am quiestioing that too- but... maybe it could be because he lost some meories after he died? I have seen some theories around, that LBD changed his memories about how he died, so maybe she also changed someting about how he got his powers?
@@denikehi4579 Yea, that is a point... Man... that is a complicated quiestion :O
My theory: If he made the deal before in another universe, he may not remember as he's been brought back. However the powers being powers of chaos can overcome that, meaning they came back to him when he was reborn from his stone.
@@tsunertoo9149 Chaos powers are weird! Could be a possiblity!
I havent watched the video yet but I really like Rv sketch theory if you dont know who she is check her out shes underrated
Oh I have watched them!! I really like what they make! :D
Tell me who made the deal macaque energy chaos he can't have the ability dark power and not chaos power
he he :D
@@Cherllyio who is he
@@aizeriadilzhappar617 Oh! I talked about it, in the video?
Mabey just mabey the Diya ( the Hell where Macaque was send afther his death) chould be the chain too seeing there color where also blue so they chould also make it
Maybe? :) could be cool
Macaque doesn't seem to remember about the deal, that's what confuses me
Ohhh yea- same. Im planning to make theory about that, since there is so many chracthers who has lost their memories in some way, but there is just so many possbilites to what could have happend, so im still working on it-
What if everything happened in a previous cycle? Like that can explain everything right?
Yea! Im acutlaly planning on talking about that in a future video! :D
we know there's that cycle thing, i assume that's to do with previous versions of the world.... but i could be wrong😅
Great video. Thank you.
Does Season 6 have an official release date? If not, when is it expected to air?
I seen a person on their Chane say it was a red snake but one thing what ever the person said the one in the show said some of it with our kontak had session with me because of RV Sketch.not all make sense but some does look turn when that one snake 🐍 said it .
What?
Tnks for telling me season 3 is realease
I have an ideas
Season 6-8 dragon killers
Seadon 9-10 juandi, the first demon
What?
@@Cherllyio
1. A blindfolded hunter who has sworn to wipe out all celestial dragons
2. Yuandi, the first demon, archenemy of Buddha
@@sunnyworldproductions4818 im sorry- are you crazytravelvercherryblossom?
@@Cherllyio ?
And then people laugh at me for watching a „kids show“
I dont like thoughs people
What if cuz that nine headed demon is “dead” now macaque got his powers? Like it’s kinda confusing lmao.
Huh... I dont think Nine is dead? It seems like Macaque already had chaos powers, before Nine, but he wasnt aware that they were chaos powers until now.
@@Cherllyio fair point.
@@Pllatess We will see what happens with Nine in the next season! :D
@@Cherllyio YUPPP!
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