It's Topical | Zuma's remission a façade : Manyi
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- Опубліковано 11 жов 2024
- Following former President Jacob Zuma's special remission of sentence, It's Topical held a studio discussion with the Spokesperson for the JG Zuma Foundation Mzwanele Manyi, Correctional Services Spokesperson Singabakho Nxumalo and DA's Shadow Minister of Justice Advocate Glynnis Breytenbach.
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Part of the criminal law is;1. To be afforded a chance to present your case. 2. Defend yourself. 3. Present evidence. Aright to an unbiased presiding officer. 4. Cross question witnesses. 5. A right to mitigate the sanction. 6. A right to appeal the outcome.
Manyi is nt normal....
Zondo lied as well saying he has no relationship with Zuma and the truth cane out when Julious Malema asked him specific, pointed questions at his interview to become the chief Justice... no one is talking about a lying chief justice... leading to deaths of black people during the unrest... SA judge for yourself
Nc-pj6uq Your point is cleare very much correct stay safe 👍🙏
Thank you Mr Manyi
Thank you what wena.
yes thank you Manyi
He did serve his sentence
Why whites accepted phala phala bcz refused Zuma. I'm starting to think that malema was right wen he said ramaphosa is captured.
Not a single person in this panel has said anything about Arthur Frazer. You would swear that President Jacob Zuma escaped prison and was later granted remission not to go back by Ramaphosa in order for JGZ to avoid finishing his sentence after the escape. President Zuma did not give himself medical parole. And parole does not mean "free from incarceration". All of this noise should be directed to Arthur Frazer and leave the old man alone!
these young girls and ignorant and brain washed, it’s very sad to watch .
Consequences... lets start with Phala Phala... where there is admission and clear evidence of the crime... use of state resources to go fetch process of crime... Zuma subjected himself to all legal processes
The ANC sure works hard to get people OUT of prison. I wonder if they do the same for the common man.
Thank you Mr Manyi for educating them, there was no favour done here period✊President Zuma served his term.
Nonsense
🤣🤣🤣 You are part of the problem in this country. When we speak up to this nonsense, you call us clever blacks. Go back to school to learn some critical thinking for yourself.
The show needs 2 hours since the public who were invited also participate... all of those on the digital platform must at least get 5 minutes to fully deliver their views 💯
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It has gotten to a point where people are not used to seeing Zuma subjected to law of general application. In the court of public opinion, Zuma must be subjected to “Zuma Law” hence the outrage.
When is he going to account for state capture?
nabo ke, pretending to speak for all of us. We aren't die hard loyalists thina, we look at the real evidence, like the Zondo report, that was evidence, and we cannot wait till we getrid of your self destructive bunch. We won't let this be our childrens future,@@jameskillu9171
@@GeniusLila Ask that quastion to Zondo who denied him testifying to the commision by refusing to recuse himself for onother judge to listen to Zumas testimony instead he sent Zuma to jail by hook or crooke hence we are in this mess.
@@GeniusLilaRupert may have answers for that part as he publicly claims to be paying politicians.
That is the reason we as SOUTH AFRICANS voted the ANC in ELECTIONS 1994 we were promised a better life for SOUTH AFRICANS and what did we get with ANC RULING 29 years Look at the STATE OF THIS ONCE BEAUTIFUL COUNTRY CORRUPTION CRIME LOAD SHEDDING all our of control under ANC RULING these ministers sitting in PARLIAMENT ONLY ENRICHING THEMSELVES AND THEIR FAMILIES SHAME ON YOU ANC WHAT A DISGRACE SOUTH AFRICANS STILL WAITING FOR A BETTER LIFE as the saying goes
" DIE KOFFERS IS KAAL GESTEEL" and none of these MINISTERS IS PROSECUTED THEY SHOULD BE PROSECUTED AND THEIR ASSETS SHOULD BE SEIZED GO BACK TO THE STATE BUT NO THAT DOES NOT HAPPEN THEY GET A GOLDEN HAND SHAKE BUT THE ONLY PERSON that got PENALIZED WAS DR ALLAN BOESAK FROM THE UDF ANC YOU HAVE PROVEN YOU CANNOT GOVERN LOOK AT THE UNEMPLOYMENT RATE YOU CANNOT EVEN CREATE JOBS YOU SHOULD HAVE TAKEN CARE OF YOUR COUNTRIES PEOPLE FIRST BUT ANC YOU CANNOT EVEN GET TO CONTROL THE BORDERS THE POOREST OF POOR is flocking into SOUTH AFRICA ANC WHAT A DISGRACE
We cannot ignore the fact that former president Zuma was arrested *WITHOUT* *TRIAL* (simply put, he was sentenced to serve time in prison without being afforded an opportunity to legally defend himself)... Therefore his incarceration has always been unlawful.
If as the citizens of this country, we do not take it upon ourselves to rectify this legal error, I am afraid it will soon come back to haunt us badly
He was in contempt dsnt require trial hence immediate arrest.Its the same as if u fail to appear in court arrest immediately.
Hai Bru contempt of court doesn't need trail
A Commission of Inquiry is NOT a court, but a special sitting. It would have been only fair to entertain the reasons of the witness(Zuma at that time of the Commission) as to why he refused to come give witness account.
We better leave it where it is. Remember that we all know your father avoided to go to court. How would he be trialed
@@SydneyD28-6 the commission to it to court and your influencer still did not obey
Great interview. Sound is fine 👌🏾.
Why is the commissioner wearing sunglasses, is he blind
To avoid eye contact with angry Manyi
This lady is quite something. Very well spoken and erudite.
I love Glennes but politically here she's DA. Want the court decision where if favors you and takes it to UN when it favors someone against you.
[Under community corrections, was never a free man] So how did a man who was under community correction "not a free man" how did he jet off to Russia for medical treatment? This ANC tell so many lies they get their nickers in a total not with BS>
The parole had lapsed when he went to Russia. He didn't even leave KZN when he was in parole. So he was not free. He couldn't go to rallies, he couldn't even hold a press conference that he wanted to hold.
You're lost
1 manyi is not ANC n Zuma went to Russia after he finished he's sentence
I'm saying 💯 correct this one and vele lona kungumsebenz wakwa correctional services ngokomthetho ingenaph inkantolo
Disappointed in those 2 young ladies abo Zanele clever girls
I like how the technical producer is dealing with Glynnis Breytenbach's line while discussing is going🤣🤣
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Manyi is this country’s biggest turncoat- no principles
Ti principles taka Shipalana ati tirhi ka Shipalana
@@vjchabane9795 ti principles a ti na vini
An absolute disgrace
Ameen my lady i agree with you ❤
So anyone can get away with corruption in Sa? This is the ANC logic.
Sound
What does the law say?I don't know whether some white people or the so called clever black people read the law?It says a person cannot be tried twice for the same offence.He served his time(Period).PW Botha didn't bother when asked to appear before the TRC and slapped with a lousy R10 000.I hold no brief for Zuma he is not even my relative but on this one justice was seen to be done.
They omit that part from the onset that without trial...
Zuma was tried but he refused to attend his trial. He should actually be charged with obstruction of justice as well.
@@hussaingool1859 tried where?
@@Qotha it is for you to do the necessary investigation.
I think most of the panelist were lost. The context here is about the remission of president Zuma. What actions are they talking about because he hasnt been found guilty of his alleged corrupt charges. Last night was about the contempt of court and the incarceration of Zuma. Not charges they want to allude to.
Zan and ... seem not to know what Mr Jz was in jail for
I concur with you, people really have no clue JZ was sentenced...Yiiikkess
What does accountability have to do with Zuma’s arrest? He wasn’t convicted nor did the commission want him to be accountable.
"Allergedly"?
Zuma isn't the main problem here, the ANC and it's voter is.
hate is the problem ,zondo and DA are not ANC hut haters of Zuma
Zuma left many years ago but corruption is still happening in tenders, Escom etc. Why are you silent about it
😂😂😂😂 Got to like Manyi. He actually agrees with Breytenbauch and all who are saying this was cooked but he wouldn't dare give them credit for that
Is the undermining of the constitution not serious offence?
Why bring president Ramaphosa in your debate MP Manyi?
Always procted Zuma he hiding behind Medicine Parool unbelieable nobody procted the poor ones they put in Prison for life😫😫
The sentence ended on the 7th October 2022.
Breytenbach is misguided to talk about Russia which happened in July 2023, long after H E President Zuma was declared a free man by the Commissioner
No sound. Are sound engineers deployees without qualifications?
If it was Zim yes I would say
I respect Manyi
Really. Maybe I don't understand the meaning of the word respect.
Wasting resources pampering delinquents
Accountable for what?
It is sad indeed. If zuma was in prison. People like Jimmy Manyi will make noise. Now he is realised. He is still complaining. What is the issue Manyi.
Freeman🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
so for funny the racist D.A and it's some black slaves accountability never apply to apartheid criminals.
Th first question shud be DID ZUMA FINISH HIS SENTENCE
A big problem is a rule of law itself
It’s precisely this non accountability that will keep South Africa and Africa in general poor for eternity. Misery and hopelessness will be a reality until and only when the masses start voting responsibly.
True,2024 we voting EFF to power.
@@siyabongajacobdlamini1764 you’ve just proved my point. It’s your right to vote for whom ever you choose, but prosperity and wealth is not a right, but a choice.
@@thomasgosling5155 Start with Afrikaaner boers that killed our people and never got to account in the TRC.
@@thomasgosling5155 how is wrong to vote for EFF and right to vote da, because both have never been in power, national party and ANC been in power in south Africa both of them have done nothing for native south Africans, unless being black means poverty,no it's not true,I was raised by my father in bulwer we lived through the land, worked land, I'll tell you what the problem with africans it's a lack of education, to understand what is this world all about,and I won't blame white people for that ANC has had 30 years to improve south Africa yet they chose the cheapest way for them to eat keep people dependent to the state, before gold, diamond, farms black people were self sufficient,grown their food,had cattle, goats they were wealthy they lived of the land, what brings hunger and poverty today is lack of education,yes we have graduate yet they can't grow food to feed themselves, because ANC government lied to people told them im going to do it for you.its just the mind set to change, not that black people are not capable to succeed, politicians must stop investing in European, American companies,start their own companies because this is what making africans don't succeed, america, Europe, china, Russia are where they are because they have their own, nothing will happen in Africa until africans control their system of economy.even we can vote da in this will continue as it is.
@@siyabongajacobdlamini1764 From bad to worse. lol. Like watching a backwards cartoon on acid. I don't understand the stupidity.. must be by design.. Can't imagine someone so stupid exists. When will it be enough?? When this country is literally on fire?
ZUMA must still pay 18 million rand. WHEN????
Former president benefited Manyi can say whatever he wants
A old man must have a peace?? WHY was he had done this knowing his old man??and as ex Président ever getting away with Billions others dying in streets with starvetion and Povert absoluut unfair ☹️😏
I waited for Mzwanele Manyi to be interviewed on this matter. Can we as a country leave ubaba alone. I am giving my hat off to ubaba's support structure including his family. I don't want to imagine what all this facade has done to maKhumalo and MaNgema. All his hates and apartheid beneficiaries must just accept that ubaba has served his medical supervision. RC will be delt with as we are preparing for 2024 Nstional Elections. Hands off Zuma PLEASE
Racist much? Cant come up with an original comment so you default to talking nonsense. Congrats. Another idiot against the growth of South Africa
He is thr source of money and lavish lifestyle that's y they support him .
I think it was right to let him go, he did what he did he was greedy and his old. They should have let him pay back money at least to government.
No sound
No,not animal farm, Vampires of Mogarnville
Zumas sentence was a weaponisation of the judiciary 😂not application of the law
These pale are using feelings and useless, question is did he save his time or not? and is remission relevant or not?
Who decided on a 15 month's sentence?
@manueldumont3709 Apartheid impoverishes people not Zuma
My opinion is that I have no problem with special remmision,but what about those with long term ,what exclude is from that remission,why is those exclude,because all of them are prisoners
Zuma s Dr must come to account
Remission:
2005 Thabo Mbeki - 65000
2012 Jacob Gedleyihlekisa Zuma - 45000
2023 Cyril Matamela Ramaphosa - 30000
Who still take Manyi serious?
The judges have bone to pick with jz😂zondo on the offensive
parol itself is a sentence
Accountability for what.... Clever blacks 🤔🤔
if granting Zuma medical aprole was judged as being illegal and unlawful.. Then Zuma could not be on parole, even though he was at home. HE COULD NOT BE SERVING PAROLE IF THAT SO CLAIMED PAROLE WAS JUDGED TO BE ILLEGAL...
Wrong. He still served medical parole
So now the question.. : WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THEY FIND HIM GUILTY ON THE ARMS DEAL CORRUPTION CHARGES...AGAIN NO JAIL... WHAT A F766756 WASTE OF TIME..
Pw Botha refused to testify in the trc😂the court post 94 didn't compel him, didnt arrest him😂zuma appeared partly testified, was arrested and served his sentence
Over 1k prisoners came out (released) with Zuma. Why the scrutiny is only on him?
Why was there scrutiny when Januz Walus was released?
@@user-of9of Because he came from Poland and murdered one of our greatest freedom fighters.
The ANC should have never removed the death penalty.
Janus came here from one of the most racist countries in Europe,full of hate and bigotry.
Manyi is smart...facad!!!
no he s not..he s confusing matters....making presentations to SCA does nt mean you are correct....he likes listening to his own voice with erattic noises devoid of facts
@@lahlichauke8335who says you are smart
Well done Manyi. This remmission is utter nonsense to try and PR for a marikana murderer Ramaphosa !! Its a complete farcade to save a collapsed and vindictive apartheid judiciary. Zuma served his term and if they had locked him up there would be war now ! This presenters obsession with the DA MP is a clear sign of his impartiality.
A WASTED 10 MINUTES LISTNING TO MANYI
He should Pay back all these Billions and build homes for people Zuma his sitting home laughing old man óf young must go in Prison unfair Law
The question should be what do we make of this special remmission , not singling an individual out! But we know you media and your agenda!
This is not what you paint the picture to be.Remember reparations.Its always has been the responsibility of the offender to make reparations.Iy will prove to be fair to deal with matters holistically.Yake this matter from both dimensions. 1. Why he was convicted in the first place. 2. What processes were undertaken to grant him parole. 1.1. From now on,the order of the decorum in SA judiciary is for the presiding officer to completely decline to recuse themselves albeit such applications. It is fashionable currently. 2.2 Was he part of the body that granted him parole,and were correct proceedures and processes followed. If not,what are directives? Whose responsibility is it to foresee that those framework procedures and processes were followed to the tee. Font be blinded by hate
It is a pity that the people of this country can't understand that zuma with his cronies the guptas stole millions and millions of there rightful money which should be used to build houses and supply services to them!!!
How many millions
Can you proof that he stole millions? How much exactly are we talking?
This Da woman must just leave us
Wow everything is being portrayed corruption I mean this one also portrait corruption again I mean really.
If Manyi had the power, Zuma would win all his cases. He thinks Zuma is right in every thing he does.
Sadly their people his age who won't be able to enjoy retirement in peace, black South African people, black people who also made sacrifices to end apartheid.
Manyi is given too much airtime on this issue
Why did this never been done or complain before his complements of his parule time. All this group DA and young leads supposed to complain before his complements of his parule
But he's not a President now why do you called him President Zuma
Eish babe stop embarrassing yrself
Sis wam. That question won't help with anything. Try and stick to justice or injustice please!
He is president
This fool who keeps on saying his excellency president zuma.
Relax chief
Even if it pains u but he is H. E PRESIDENT ZUMA
Viva his Excellency President Zuma
Is all propoganda
Out of topic zan
Zuma should use his free time, to ensure apartheid criminals go to jail return stolen land to black people and account for minerals
Useless manyi shame😂😂😂
Yet his in tv and you not you just UA-cam telitabi
Àluta kontinua Mzwanele
Manyi is very correct to the wide awake and wrong to the blind
This thing about Zuma being old and should be left to rest is all nonsensical because when he stole this country bankrupt he was also old and had to know that stealing many young children's future is also wrong and in fact treasonous. Zuma only cared about himself, family and friends. We need to see justice being done and all this B.S. about Zuma having served this country, served himself i would say.
Wena u follow propaganda news a lot n pls dnt judge according to if the person is favorite or not but look at the truth, zumas character is being assassinated using propaganda news, u need to learn game of politics n u will understand
@@Nonoologbonorie2111 you see what you want to see and you are entitled to it. I also have eyes to see and ears to hear and a brain to determine right from wrong. It is however clear to me that you accept only that which suits your thinking and is apparently not a critical and objective thinker.
How much did he steal?
@@Qotha what Zuna stole is uncountable and that amount I am sure, Zuma will not be able to count properly. For God's sake Zuma stole more than what this country can afford and presently we are surviving on loans on which we are repaying to the World Bank at an interest amounting to one billion rand per day. Do your own calculations if you do have that ability.
@@hussaingool1859 unfortunately there is nothing such as uncontable money in real world and justice.That only exists in the world of propaganda and can never be substantiated before court.Even the world's richest man knows how much is in his bank account.
Manyi is being too stingy with the truth here. 1) Zuma submitted himself to a correctional facility of his choosing so he was not put into some cold part of KZN as punishment as he wants us to believe. 2) Parole is parole when legally obtained. So, Mr Zuma cannot be said to have served his term "on parole'' when that parole was illegal.
He could have chosen any other prison of his liking, had they said they wanted him back.
Secondly Why is it Zumas problem if the parole was illegal? Did he grant himself that parole? Is Parole not a form of punishment??
I think it's you who is stingy with Facts
You're still a child. This question of gaining/benefitting from an illegal act was answered by the constitutional court in the matter of Mr Nxasana who was illegally removed from office and in his place Mr Shaun Abrahams was appointed. This judgement was delivered on 13 August 2018.
Mr Abrahams had nothing to do with the removal of Mr Nxasana from office but benefited from the creation of the vacancy he later filled. This is thae same as Mr Zuma having no hand in granting of the illegal parole but benefited in that it enabled him to move from prison to his home.
In the Nxasana judgement, his removal was found to have been illegal and therefore the appointment of Abrahams illegal as a consequence. Abrahams was by operation of the law removed from office.
This is no different then to the Zuma illegal parole. The parole was declared illegal by courts and therefore any time he spent on the said parole must never be counted as time served because of the illegality of the decision.
The sad part is that the average South African will listen to Manyi and believe every word coming out of his mouth. I weep for SA
and he is very correct
Those young ladies must go to school and stop talking politics tht they don't knw. Thts why politics is said tht it's not for women
Who said politics is not for women? 😊
@@GNK245 who took women in politics serious. Men pretend only bcz women are in majority so they are used for votes. Hw many women are presidents in this world. And non of strong nations put a woman on tht seat.