Atheist Reacts To Proving The Bible With Prophecy
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- Опубліковано 22 жов 2024
- Allen Parr is an interesting character. With almost 1 million subscribers, he has quite the following... but it's taken him well over 650 videos to get to proving the bible is true, with prophecy... So let's have a look, shall we?
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In the words of Inigo Montoya, “You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.”
That quote doesn’t get used enough!
Weird how God's word/prophecy has to b "interpreted" by a few rather than just saying it clear and perfectly understandable for all?!?
People would try to avoid or you know how anyone that dislikes something, would try to pick on certain words just to get their reason aproved
I think you are ignoring that christians always claim you must humbly accept the things of God and their whole religion is about submitting to God. If it was written plainly people would be able to boast that they discovered God and others hadn’t. It’s all about admitting there is another way to see things than your own way.
Jesus even says He has hidden the understanding of salvation from the wise.
Hope that helps.
“For you are saved by grace through faith and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God, not of works lest anyone should boast”(Ephesians 2:8,9)
@@zekemorse4815 I'm just asking if anyone religious is special or holy enough to get any God to show up to others! And it's always No! Why does a God who will violently punish you for not believing, simultaneously hide everything about itself and refuse to back up its most loyal followers by simply revealing itself to non believers whenever asked...it's not like an infinite all powerful God can't find the time or energy to do such a simple task... right?
@@redfoxninja3173 Well, again, they would say He isnt willing to show Himself to those who reject Him, because theologically man is God’s enemy. Though he cant see it he is doing thins that are wrong or atleast not promoting the kingdom of God, which is treason. Also christian dont believe that believing is acknowledging God’s existence, but rather trusting in Him so a special revelation to an unbeliever would be counter productive. The Bible says “But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?” James 2:19.
They also think everyone has enough information to believe.
“For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,” Romans 1:20
Again, I hope that helps, just trying to help you see the other perspective more clearly.
If a prophecy is written after the fact, or stories change to fit the prophecy, it ceases to be a prophecy!
It's not even just that. It's a literary genre, one that we just don't use anymore. Historical records told in the future tense. What passed for historians back then would write what happened during the war last month, but they'd write it as something that would happen in the future.
A lot of people assume that the rigorous attention historians today pay to making sure they get everything right has always been the case, but in reality our concept of "history" is pretty modern. Gets even worse when the King would pay his historian to write up the king's own personal history with as many appropriate embellishments as they could afford, another genre we frown on today.
A large part of those "prophecies" would've been understood by contemporaries to be just pseudo-predictive records of past events, and the rest would've been eye-roll-inducing self-aggrandizement vanity publications. _Oh boy, Cletus made a killing selling his goats, we're all gonna hear about how he single-handedly defeated the Plains Peoples(tm) next month, mark my words._
BLASPHEMY!
Jason Sabbath
WROTE:
" If a prophecy is written after the fact, or stories change to fit the prophecy, it ceases to be a prophecy! "
So the prophesy of Jesus being born in Bethlehem was changed, even though it was written over 600 years before He was born? Isaiah predicted Jesus' crucifixion 600 years before Jesus lived and 200 years before the Romans invented crucifixion. Are you saying that Jesus allowed himself to be scourged with lead tipped leather straps that laid open His flesh to the bones and nailed to a cross to die a slow death to make it true?
@@rickdavis2235 It's easy to "fulfill" a prophecy when you fill in the blanks to fit your narrative.
@@Jprimus
" It's easy to "fulfill" a prophecy when you fill in the blanks to fit your narrative. "
So Jesus chose to be born in Bethlehem because that's where the Bible said He would be born?
You're arguing from ignorance.
“Think of how many religions attempt to validate themselves with prophecy. Think of how many people rely on these prophecies, however vague, however unfulfilled, to support or prop up their beliefs. Yet has there ever been a religion with the prophetic accuracy and reliability of Science?” - Carl Sagan
With christianity, most of them claim jesus was god which goes against the other 2 abrahamic religions who say he was just a prophet. If 2 out of 3 disagree with you then you may be wrong.
All those religions but only one empty tomb. Out of all the religions Yeshua was the only person to proclaim he was God.
@@nathanbouchard2586 - Surely you're joking. The only "evidence" of an empty tomb is the Bible, and lots of people have proclaimed themselves gods.
@@nathanbouchard2586 jesus never said he was god. That was a man made decision at the Council of Nicaea where anyone who opposed the idea was excommunicated.
@@nathanbouchard2586 also there is no proof of an empty tomb. No one knows where the tomb was or even if there was a tomb outside of religious text.
I love how all the prophecies in the bible that have come true are so vague, any time in history could have applied to them. I remember taking with someone who was convinced the end of days was coming cause of "all the wars and diseases in the world, like in the Bible." You'd be hard pressed to find any time in history where there wasn't any wars or disease
jup the only reason anyone should believe the prophecy came true is if its something outlandish. something very unlikely happening that is described with insane detail and that the timing is nothing less than perfect. if the prophecy is told to them by God then this should not be a problem at all
@@theflyingdutchguy9870 Exactamundo 😏
We arguably have less of both today compared to most of human history.
So True
It gets even worse when it comes to prophecies if you talk to anyone even somewhat familiar with the actual contact of a lot of the prophecies and how they were mostly directed at specific things in the past, that either came to pass or failed *before* the alleged birth of Jesus.
This Old Testament verse is about Jesus!
No, no it's not.
If you take a word from each page you can make a whole new story!
Great idea!
Definitely a more interesting & coherent story than the original bible 🤷♀️
@@dalailarose1596 Bible and babble - sounds related.
But only in english - but the TRUE language of the Bible is anyhow english, in the King James version, which is not even the oldest translation.
Jezz man this is so disrespectful :(
The biggest problem with this guy quoting bits and pieces of Isaiah is that it has nothing to do with a Messiah. or even a single person. The chapters before and after the sections he quote mined are all about Zion. Both Jewish and many Christian biblical scholars understand the "suffering servant' analogy in Isaiah refers to Israel. Not some guy coming around centuries later that most Jewish people didn't (and currently don't) recognize as a Messiah. Christians have to reeeaaally stretch gospel passages to make them fit into Isaiah.
I gotta say, this whole Isaiah prophecy thing doesn't impress me, nor lead me to think the Bible is definitely the work of some supernatural being.
Show me a believer (not pastor) who has actually read the buybull and I will present you the Rosvell aliens.
@@bladerunner3314 Don't worry. Not even most pastors have read the Bible - or is that just in the US?
@@DavidRichardson153 not sure in the US but in the UK I have family members who have definitely read the bible (I even read the bible as a child).
@@DavidRichardson153 I think (not know) priests here in Germany must have gone to university to study theology, at least for the two biggest denominations.
@@bladerunner3314 Note how Germany has almost zero nutty Christian conspiracy theorists on the level of American evangelists.
If you want to be confused, read the Bible.
"How do I know the bible is the inspired word of god?" Presup, that's it.
It's the king of circular reasoning.
How do I know God exists? Bible says so.
How do I know the bible is true? God says so.
I presented this, exactly like that, to a christian friend who insisted we talk about this stuff. He said "I know it's circular reasoning but I still believe it." Ever argue with a brick?
@@avi8r66 that's not fair. A brick won't make shit up to defend an irrational belief.
@@denverarnold6210 Quite so, far less frustrating to argue with a brick.
the answer: "Someone told me this when I was young and I had to listen otherwise I was going to hell".
@@avi8r66 It does not even work as the Bible ✝ is taken so metaphorically, God 🧖🤖 could be a metaphor and the idea would be more internally consistent than the ideas Christians have.
Jews be like- “whatever that guy said is bullshit”
Christians be like- “don’t tell us how to interpret your Bible!”
All religions is wrong the bible and god is the only truth.
I'm thinking of picking up a random fantasy novel, picking several random lines out of it, and finding out if I can twist... *ahem* "interpret" it as a prophecy for... anything.
"He stumbled, slowing, then dropped to his knees." Oathbringer, chapter 118 by Brandon Sanderson. Clearly a line about Jesus' carrying the cross instead of a particular character (Szeth) named literally the line before.
"Without context, you can make anything mean whatever you want!" said every apologist in their heads.
I was thinking this too. I think Stephen King's Eyes of the Dragon had some prophesies in there. Oh and Dune has prophesies that were fulfilled in the same book, so Paul Atreides must be real.
I think you have a bright future in apologetics. 😆
As soon as I hear "fullfilled prophesy" I know it's going to be stupid.. well, OK, I did know that already because I had seen Allen Parr on the screen.
“It could have been talking about Phil, who stole a loaf of bread from a bakery in downtown Jerusalem!”
Bible Les Miserables, anyone?
Only John says Jesus's last words were "It is finished".
Luke says they were "Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit", which at least is similar in tone.
However, Matthew says they were "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?", which very much does NOT sound like he was viewing his death as having achieved success.
And obviously the contradiction means at least two of them are incorrect.
Don't forget the two mutually exclusive deaths of Judas.
They're not incorrect. He said "My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?" Later, He said, "It is finished. Father, into your hands I commend my Spirit."
If four different people witness the same event, different things will stand out to each of them.
@Branden Harvey Does the Bible say that Jesus said all of that or are you simply asserting that all the various versions must have happened because otherwise you would have to admit the inconsistency of your book? It doesn't seem weird to you that all three authors saw the same event, heard the same words, and each recorded only part of those words and only non-overlapping and completely distinct parts?
Suppose that one author wrote "Jesus's final words were: It is finished. Father, I commend myself to you" and another wrote "Jesus's final words were: Father, I commend myself to you." We would look at that and say that sure, that works. The second guy decided that "final words" meant only the last sentence, the other guy decided it included the last two sentences. No problem.
That's not what we see here.
And the book of Judas version: "This is some bullshit right here!! What the fuck- dammit, stop stabbing me with that spear, asshole!"
Since in the olden days they were into paraphrasing, the first two could be the same basic thing.
Interesting that Alan made a point that people "make the mistake" of not reading the context and then avoided the handful of verses prior to what he read that makes it clear that the "suffering servant" would come during the time that Jerusalem was being oppressed by the Assyrian Empire. You know, about 700 years earlier than Christ... and around when it was written.
I don't have the charity to believe that was simply an honest mistake. He knows better.
I'm sure, he could hand wave that away like "Rome is the successor of Assyria" (don't look it up in actual history book, I tell you so, there is a bible verse somewhere about this ;)), so Jesus is still living under Assyrian oppression.
Here you have it! Done ;)
With out that, well, you are right...
@@megalomania2299 Sure. No doubt he would come up with something like that.
@@megalomania2299 Response would be "Well, who nailed him to the cross? Rome or Assyria?".
@@rageofheaven they tag-teamed Jesus, but he pulled an Undertaker
A man named Kawakami Gensai in 1856 predicted that a great fire would envelope Tokyo and that Hiroshima and Nagasaki would be brought to ruin, only to rise again out of the ashes in less than a decade. This is of course translated from Japanese. He knew the Emperor would bring about the restoration which is why he fought against the Shogunate to restore power to the Emperor.
I also made up that prophecy utilizing what I know about past events. You can even look up Kawakami Gensai, he's a real dude who fought against the Shogunate. There isn't much about him beyond that that I've found so you cannot confirm whether or not he made the prophecy, thus it must be true because everything else happened! That previous paragraph held more verifiable truth in it than this prophecy Allen Parr is spouting.
Nice one and I'm sure that's the exact same process they used in the NT
Yeah I remember them saying in the book of Isaiah he'll be called Emmanuel. Although nowhere in the gospel have I ever read where they called jebus Emmanuel🤷🏿♂️
I know someone called Emmanuel. He's an atheist.
@@RichWoods23 Emmanuel Lewis the actor or Tommy Emmanuel the guitarist
Matthew 1:22-23
The name Immanuel means “With Us Is God.” It’s a name-title applied to Christ the Messiah.
So, what he's telling us is that the Servant was a Man of constant Sorrow who'se had trouble hound his days?
Tick! Bro thanks for posting on this fine Saturday. Best channel on UA-cam!
I love how the first part of the "prophecy" is how "some people" will "doubt" the prophecy.
As if that wasn't going to be a true statement for everything that has ever or will ever be said, true or false.
The funny thing is if you read the actual passages about the suffering servant to its clear that it is talking about the servant being despised and rejected because he's disfigured and deformed.
the bible said things that latter people said came true WOW.
Yeah, I always thought that Bible prophecies are something more tangible, and even believed some slogans "biblie prophesied 50 things" or something, but after actually looking through them instead of taking it on face value, I have yet to find one that prophesies something that isn't proved *only* inside next chapter.
@@nati0598 there are lots of issues with them - perhaps worth making a video on it. Hmmm.
Last time Germany won the world championship a octopus correctly announced who is gonna win before every game.
He prophecided correctly. Does that proof Cuthulu?
Yes! All hail Cthulu! 😂🤣
@@jasonsabbath6996 EA! EA! CTHULU FATAGHAN!
World Championship? I think you mean the 2014 Brazilian FIFA World Cup.
@@marienbad2 No, he means the 2019 Global Octopus Tossing Championship.
@@rembrandt972ify Octopus tossing? Isn't that illegal? Do they mind? Do octopuses even have penises?
If I write a book based on previous books, I can make all predictions in the old books come true in my new volume.
Why can't fundamentalist Christians see the obvious?
They don't want to see the obvious because of they do they might lose their seat in the eternal retirement village in the sky.
Religion is woven into their sense of self.
How does getting nailed to a cross until death be considered success?
A plus is after all stil a plus
For the people who were waiting for a Jewish Messiah he clearly failed.
Death by snu snu?
@@bladerunner3314 ouch
@@asagoldsmith3328 What?
Incidentally, I have Mormon background, as I have stated on several SkepTick videos. Draper, Utah, was named after my 3rd great grandfather. He had seven wives- all from England, I believe. His son had three wives -all from England. Two of these were full blood sisters. I grew up indoctrinated with Mormonism from day 1. I know quite a lot about their b.s. I live in SE Idaho. It has the most Mormons that any other area in the nation save Utah. I dare not tell too many folks here that I am an atheist. Do you know what is the main disadvantage of more than one wife? More than one mother-in-law.
It sounds like your great uncle had that one figured out by marrying sisters. Lol
Once in a while the one mormon man marries the mother and the daughter, which is freaking weird. But, you might enjoy the channel mrdeity, he is an ex mormon and hilarious. Maybe start with his video titled "The Way of the Mister: The Mormon Testimony"
@@InterestsMayVary2234 Actually he was my 2nd great grand father. He was some kind of doctor as he was known as Doc Draper. His grandfather, William Draper Sr. was from Shropshire, England I think. William Draper Jr., after whom the town was named, was born in Ontario and was converted to Mormonism in 1832. He knew Joe Smith and was a personal associate of Big Ham (Brigham) Young. Doc Draper was William Draper the 3rd. I guess these jokers were real horny bastards.
One is definitely enough!
@@avi8r66 I'll check it out. I'm aware that several of them married mothers and daughters; Joe Smith did at least two such pairs. Yeah, those guys were weird and then some. I am NOT proud of my Mormon background.
Wow! I've never seen straws clutched that hard before.
I mean, there was that one Bob's Burgers episode...
One of your best commentaries! It's just amazing how theists can twist and turn ancient words that probably didn't even mean what they think they do into a "prophesy" about Jesus. In the age of information, ignorance is a choice - a stupid one.
Damn Bryn exactly what I was thinking. In the old times ignorance was not a choice. It certainly is now. I call it willful ignorance. Some people have trouble letting go. I was not however indoctrinated into religion as a young one. I feel for those who have.
@@Ryangubbs Hmm. Giving up your ingroup, your support system, some traditions, potentially your whole family.
There is a lot of costs that a deconversion is accompanied by.
(Experience of others I've listened to/read about)
@@ChJuHu93 I've read the stories a well. They're all heart breaking. The cost is so high for leaving. But living a lie (pretending to believe) is a very high price as well.
Y Brynecho
WROTE:
" In the age of information, ignorance is a choice - a stupid one. "
How do you know you're not confusing your own ignorance with knowledge?
@@rickdavis2235I'm sure that I am ignorant about many things. After all, I am just an old lady who has no advanced degrees. Therefore, I would require further explanation regarding your reply.
J. K. Rowling must be prophetic too. She wrote down that either Harry and Voldemort would kill each other, then wrote that Harry killed Voldemort in another book.
Amazing
Yup! And since the Harry Potter books mention London and other real places, it must all be true! After all, it has exactly as much evidence as the Bible, and fits Parr's requirements for being "true."
(Of course, so does the Quran & the Hindu Vedas, but he'd have a stroke trying to explain why those don't count.)
@@reptoidrenaissance exactly
And even after all that Neville killed him lol
@@UhOhDovah well there's a theory that the prophecy could have been talking about either Harry or Neville
An ancient book written written over the course of 1500 years by over 40 authors is not the same as fictional story written over the course of a decade by one person so meh 😕
It's silly - the New Testament can simply read the old testament and fulfill the prophecies. Every Movie with a sequel can fulfill any part of the story from the movie before. Anytime your proof is pointing to scriptures, it is a circular point and then becomes not proof.
Well, who would have thought. A Christian believes that the Bible is true. Well, I never. I haven't heard this said before. Most Christians say that the Bible is complete and utter tosh. Thank you, Allen Parr, for clarifying this matter. Without your wonderful insight I might have gone to my grave thinking that this daft book was written for a bit of a laugh. This news is life changing. I predict that this Good News will be regaled with laughter by 7.4 billion non-protestants.
sarcasm?
I don't find what they do very funny... More disturbing and PTS inducing. (Have a serious fear of being ganged up on by cringechans and chastised for not blindly believing their nonsense... it's one of many reasons I'm a shut-in in my right wing psycho community.)
@@sfamerken12 Irony.
@@Ramen10420 I fully understand your situation. Sometimes levity can undermine the authority of such folks. Sometimes.
mmmm future speak?
Using the Bible to prove the Bible is lame and a half.
Paul's 13th epistle to the Romans:
I am reminded of the beautiful hymn you sang for me praising our God
It is such a shame that there is no one up there to hear it
Amen
All of his prothecies describe basically anyone you could want to apply them to
But no, bible proves a prophecy in the bible is real because it's in the bible a little bit later on. Therefore, any book that foreshadows events that happen later on in the same book must also be word of a God.
@@SlyTribal The Lord of the Rings prophesied that Sauron would return. Later in The Lord of the Rings, Sauron returned! Prophesy fulfilled, The Lord of the Rings is true and written by God...
@@killakanzgaming And as it is the word of God, it must be historically accurate as well. That is our true history and Frodo was the Messiah
@@SlyTribal Remember, Gandalf died and came back so we could all be the fools that ran away. Repent to receive the blessings of Gandalf the White!
As someone who was raised jewish I was curious about the fulfilled prophesy. However, he didn't even go to the prophesy of the messiah. He went to Isiah instead. That's not about the messiah.
One of the funny things is that Jesus was supposed to be named Ishmael. Born in Bethlehem and being a Nazareen. Not from Nazarith. That's why they needed the fake census to move Mary from Nazarith to Bethlehem.
Edit: Emanuel not Ishmael lol
"How do I know that the Bible is the inspired word of God? And it wasn't written by man?"
The entire premise is a contradiction to begin with. If it's inspired, it means it was inspired by a different source that didn't make this work. If it was made by the source, then it isn't inspired by something.
Even granting prophecies, you'd still need to prove it was caused by a god, and not anything else.
I can't wait for this birthday party to be done so I can watch this... Ironically the grandma of the birthday girl is a borderline super crispy (crispy b/c her brain is fried on too much Jesus, a term my non religious friends and I came up with in highschool)
Most modern scholars of the Hebew Bible date Deutero-Isaiah (ch. 40-66) to ~538 bce. In chapter 53, the servant being spoken of is most likely Israel. You have to cherry pick verses rather than look at the overall context to get Jesus out of the Suffering Servant.
But it does show this brand of Christianity is not actually interested in the text of the Bible, just the parts that make them feel like they're right.
Allan's "reasons" give "weak tea" new meaning
"The Bible, Harry Potter for idiots."
Lois Griffin.
The dumbest thing is that the writers of the new testament used the old testament (ie. the scriptures) as inspiration... They purposefully tried to refer to things in the old testament. So, of course when Christians are reading the old testament they notice the references and assume they are prophecies, when in reality it's the other way around.
CHALLENGE EXCEPTED! Matt Groening! this morning mortal has made MANY predictions that have come true….
Hold on one second Tick. How dare you mock Kat Kerr? She is absolutely, positively and without one shred of doubt my...
favorite cartoon character
🟣🦄
Somewhere, long before Isaiah, the bible says that prophesies must be fulfilled within the listeners lifetime. That is how you are supposed to tell the false prophets from the (ahem) real ones. Jesus himself said, when speaking to a group of people: "Verily I say unto you, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the son of man coming in his kingdom." Yet *_another_* failed prophecy. Told by the man himself. 🙄
ALLEGEDLY told by the man himself ;-)
With hindsight you see everything with 20/20 vision
Cherry-picking certain verses from an unproven series of fables is now considered prophecy apparently.
What? A prophesy that was made in a book, was fulfilled in the same book? No way. That would be fucking wacky, so it must be true.
Wow. A book that says what will happen later in said book is a prophecy.
Any author who has ever used foreshadowing in their books is now a prophet.
Christians should be honest and acknowledge that although fulfilled prophecy in the Bible is potentially because of God, it is also entirely consistent with somebody reading some old stuff and then making shit up. Then they should tell us how they work out which explanation it is without using cognitive bias.
They should, yes. Will that happen? Nope.
It must be the years of atheism, but when I hear “the written word of god” it gives me the chuckles and eyes rolling….
If the Bible's just a word, imagine a whole sentence!
I bet if god could write a book now he'd use comic sans :p
@@denverarnold6210 😳🤦😁👍
This’s like saying that the in-story prophecies about Voldemort’s downfall prove that Harry Potter exists.
That’s not prophecy. That’s just consistent storytelling.
The more I actually listen to apologetics, the sillier they all sound…
This guy reminds me of a used-car-dealer "But wait, there's more".
More like a late night info commercial.
@@georgem2334
In this I have no expertise.
"I'd buy that for a dollar!"
So earlier in the book, it says what will happen later in the book. And that is proof? Well I'm sold.
Did he seriously say a prophecy was fulfilled that all would bend knee, and then say Jewish people still reject today? I mean, first prophecy still has a long way to go, but he seemed to be arguing two opposite things.
See the Catholic word of God says "See, my servant shall prosper..." The King James word of God says "Behold, my servant shall deal prudently..." The New International word of God says "See, my servant will act wisely..." Ignoring of course the fact that if you actually read the whole thing it seems to suggest the suffering servant is actually a metaphor for the Israelites as a whole, not the messiah. What the Bible says isn't even proof of what the Bible says, let alone anything else.
The eleven courses of word salad needs some thousand island dressing. 🥴
Nah, balsamic vinegrette.
@@IheartDogs55 🤣
Sound logic, knocked out the park. I'm convinced...
Yes no definitely written by flawed and fallible men and of course the many interpretations and edits and rewriting certain passages, adding in certain passages. Then there's the whole thing about translations.
I just now read Isaiah 52-54. I agree with Kevin Williamson that it refers to suffering Israel, not a messiah. At 9:09, it says he will sprinkle many nations. I hope that he won't pee on me. My dad used to say that many prophecies were made after the fact. It would be like someone in 1980 prophesying WW2 and then saying someone in 1880 said it. One of the Mormon Articles of Faith says "We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly". I have asked a few Mormons which part is not translated correctly and how to tell. If all of it is correctly translated, there would be no purpose for those last seven words. I have been roundly chastised for my query.
I'm just going to point out that Zarquon did in fact eventually show up as prophesied not just earlier in the book, but way earlier in the _HitchHiker's guide To The Galaxy_ series.
Very literally for the last few seconds of existence, and only once somehow despite the time loop, but he still showed exactly as it was said he would.
"All sorts of things cropping up at the last moment. How are we for time?"
@@hostofwords Always happy to meet a fellow hoopy frood who knows where their towel is.
And if you show off his head, you can get some bitchin' fleets from those Holy Guardians over yonder
It’s telling that Allen deliberately avoided the phrase where Isiah prophesied “he would be born of a virgin” which has long been debunked. The word used in Isiah, subsequently mistranslated in Mark, is “alma” which translates as young woman, had Isiah wanted to say virgin he would have used “betulah” which actually means virgin.
Nothing Allen Parr said is convincing. The only way it might make sense to someone is if they're already convinced of that particular brand of evangelical Christianity.
I agree that the whole story of Jesus being the sacrifice that absolves humanity of their sins is in complete opposition to it only being applicable to someone if they give up their lives to his worship. I also agree that the "God become man" dies temporarily and then goes on living claim is absurd -- if the story is true (which it obviously isn't) there was no sacrifice, simply a divine parlor trick.
Imagine that instead of just dying on the cross and forcing people to try and build the new religion based on vague hearsay and so on, Jesus had instead just knocked over all the Romans nearby with a wave of his hand, then just used a series of divine miracles to kick the Romans out of Jerusalem and turned it into a country that was built on peace and love and so on. He could have written his _own_ book that was clear and unambiguous, built a christian empire that was a lot more stable and effective than the romans eventually were, and been a rather more solid evidence of divinity than doing a few magic tricks for those who _already followed him_ .
Thanks!
Basically: How do I know this book is true?
Because it says so.
One bright day in the middle of the night, two dead boys got up to fight. Back to back they faced each other, drew their swords and shot each other. If you doubt that my story's true, ask the blind man, he saw it too. Same thing only better written.
Jesus said at John 17:17: “Your Word is TRUTH.”
“All scripture is inspired of God.” (2 Timothy 3:16,17) God is Perfect and His Word is Perfect.
@@sunnyjohnson992 Oh look, the Bible said the Bible is awesome. Wow...
Speaking of prophecy, I always love hearing about the idea of 'Religion X is true because they could have just fact-checked and debunked it if they were lying back then!' ignoring the fact that we have flat Earthers existing in _present day._ No amount of evidence and debunking will matter when you presuppose you're already entirely correct.
Strange that a supposedly "all powerful being" needed human beings to write a book for him.😕😂
Strange that a supposedly "all powerful being" needed to shag someone's wife in order to forgive anyone.
Of course He needed humans to write the Bible. He resides in heaven and as a powerful spirit, He obviously couldn’t come down to earth and write it himself!
God is the Author of the Bible. (1Thessalonians 2:13) He used some 40 writers over a span of about 1,600 years.
They didn’t record their own thoughts. God used his Holy Spirit or active force, to inspire these men to record his thoughts. (2 Timothy 3:16,17)
Don’t blaspheme you will meet him one day whether you like it or not. Repent get right with God
It would be very interesting to have this guy watch 4 different shows and listen to his hypothesis on how they are all linked.
If the Bible was written by God, he needs to find another job.
why, it's still the #1 bestseller ever
Pretty telling that he only ever wrote one book and he needed shadow authors to publish it... I wonder if God's hiding something from us...
The Bible literally says that the suffering servant is the nation of Israel, right at the start of the section he is quoting. But hey, I guess we ignore that bit.
You bid me one fulfilled Bible prophecy. I'll take that bet and raise it by one biblical contradiction.
Not only do Matthew and Luke disagree about Jesus's lineage. They also disagree with when he was born. Luke has him born in about 6 CE, Matthew about 4 BCE.
Let me guess… it’s one of the same ways that Muslims know that the Quran is the holy message of their one true God.
"It wasn't written by men" wow bad enough the Bible's writers are denied credit for coming up with the stuff in the Bible they don't even get any credit for doing the physical labor of writing everything down that is rough
It's not actually asking us to skip around the Bible this time, though. He's just telling us to go back to the previous chapter, which is something that people should do more of.
@Chris Sears He skipped to multiple NT passages. How much this bothers a person is up to them.
The thing is that he isn't just going back chapters, but skipping over other passages that add context that actually goes against what he is saying. It's a dishonest tactic that many apologists use.
Lisa, the rainbow coloured giraffe? Love it!
How does he know? He doesn't.
But, but mu bible.....
Parr is a perfect reason to question the bible on all levels.
Just a few dollars to show some appreciation for the work you do and how you go about doing it.
Thanks.
I am a Baptist Christian and I just wanna give my opinion.
First I really loved the video .I indeed love videos that Chritisize Bible.I infact want to become a Bible critic. I loved some of your arguments that brings Bible in a lot of different spolight than being divine and holy but yeah I did find some of your arguments without proper understanding which was surely annoying but overall the video was amazing.
Let me share one event.
Recently in Church the women were recenlty given a bit more rights. Cause in the story "Eve being out of Adam."man were given higher priority.I did asked about this and they gave the same answer which in turn now is changed.Conclusion I was taught something that was understood very wrongly while Bible not accurately pointing towards it.Bible never said Women cant teach in the Church yet it was taught.Which means there are places for inaccuracies under the higher teachers decide its messed up and change them.
Yeah its messed up.
But I will never quit going church cuase it really helped me .They teachings of Bible kept me same from a lot of addictions .Even the people inside the church are a bit baised but overall when I count my life was better cause of my Church.
For the Bible and it being true.I dont know I cant say Bible is real or fake either I do not know much about this topic yet.But I can tell you if you think Bible sucks and its stupid text ,you are good to go I got no issues and other Christians should not have. It has always been a personal choice.I am just happy you toid the truth I wish you keep uploading such content.
I would be interested in prophecy if it included names, dates and locations.
Here is an example of prophecy, "There will be wars and rumors of wars".
Thanks for nothing.
Bible proves prophecy which proves God which proves Bible. Sounds like we have another circular logic winner, winning a lifetime supply of disparagement.
Great video! This guy is completely wrapped up in his circular reasoning. I too relied on such thinking until I actually learned to use critical analysis. As a Christian, I simply sleepwalked through life and I was afraid to question anything in the Bible. Today I am free from all of that and I am now at peace with the fact that no God exists. Keep up the good work, Skep Tick!
So writings from 50 to 90 CE seem to reference religious texts from roughly 800 year prior. Color me unimpressed.
Isaiah is also known as the "servant songs" where all of the passages around Isaiah 53 clearly reference Isreal as the servant.
Astronomers can predict solar and lunar eclipses and where they will be visible on earth thousands of years into the future right down to the second they will happen.
That is an educated prediction based on experience and a deep understanding of astronomical processes though
@@TheTruthKiwi That's the point.
And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more. (isaiah 2:4)
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword
For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.(Matthew 10:34-36)
Messiah? Jesus? Reallt?
How is it a prophecy if it wasn't even confirmed to have happened in reality?? Apologists are bad defenders.
Season seven of South Park the episode 'Canceled' mocks this type of reasoning.
I'm more inclined to believe in the world of Valdemar filled with magical white horses that are called Companions, who can speak to their specifically chosen Heralds, who are also somewhat magical, through their minds. I mean, all the books were penned by the same person (Mercedes Lackey if anyond is curious), occasionally with a co-author. 35+ books and still writing. Why wouldn't I believe that over a conglomeration of stories written or plagiarised by multiple people?
So, wait, he prophesies that some people will believe and worship him, and prophesies that some people will not? What’s special about that?
lol, it's written by man cos unless there is a glowing shimmering copy somewhere, surrounded by a heavenly choir, then all the bibles we have are either hand written or printed.
when i first moved to london in the 70's my first job was working for plenum publishing, who translated russian science journals into american english, this is electronically typeset science, but i was in of five or six people whose job it was to paste in corrections, that's 40 hours a week times five people with typeset science books - tell me people with quills made no mistakes.
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does the bible specify 66 books, cos there are books that got left out (the gospel of judas for one). not to mention we have thousands of denominations cos no one two people can agree what the bible actually means.
it's like the guy doesn't know what "foreshadowing" is as a literary device, or the bible's complete lack of nuance with it
And his name in the prophecy was Emanuel and not Jesus...oops kind of a big mistake
Immanuel means With Us Is God. It’s one of the prophetic title/names by which the Messiah would be identified.
(Matthew 1:23)
I think most, if not all "prophecies" in the bible were written after the fact and therefore not actually prophetic.
All the bits that are clearly prophecies versus someone claiming it is all come true a handful of verses later in the same chapter/book.
If a genie gave me one wish, it would be to make apologists and flat earthers be rational and then have to watch their idiotic ramblings on repeat for 5000 hours straight, Clockwork Orange style.
Thank you!
I've read it. Multiple versions. In Hebrew. In Greek. And the supporting documents in Coptic and Aramaic. It's a stupid book. A very, very, stupid book.
The explanation of the prophecy by expanding upon the few words to construct a mighty narrative reminds me of Daniel Sloss when he was talking about an "Art Rating Expert" i.e. someone who finds meaning in paintings to rate them.
That entire joke fits here except the Art Expert is replaced by the theist 😂
I notice they never talk about all the messed up rules they're supposed to follow. If they tried to live like they say Jesus wants them to they'd convert to atheism in a second.
Hell, they can't even follow the 9th Commandment, much less the Levitican laws they insist everyone else (except them) follow.
What’s so messed up about living life as a nice and good person?
What messed up rules 💀
Love your content. Keep it up.
I really, really hate watching Allan talk. Especially with the volume up because then all the stupid comes through the speakers to join the hideous view of his mouth moving the way it does. No idea why it bugs me, just does, a lot. But yes, he is one of the more popular christian panderers, sadly he is also one of the denser ones as well.