Roblox Pressured Us to Delete Our Video. So We Dug Deeper.
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- Опубліковано 16 тра 2024
- Following our last video on Roblox, players and creators began getting in touch with their own stories to share. Here are some of those stories.
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00:00 - Intro
3:33 - Roblox's Unregulated Managers
10:01 - Moderation & Child Safety
19:40 - Roblox's Collectible Market
28:41 - Roblox's Black Markets
32:17 - Some Kind Of Conclusion - Ігри
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2 exceptional videos that report clear problems that we face with non-regulated platforms. Have you directed these videos and/ or the research you've done with European Union Agency For Fundamental Rights or U. S. Department of Health & Human Services?
I have no interest in roblox however, it is honestly absurd that how out of touch this shite, And thus this particularly gruesome lie.
Thank for another quality content
Great video! I would also like to add that it's really really easy to hack into Roblox's accounts and you can find HUGE lists of hacked Roblox accounts on the internet, now imagine having a credit card attached into a hacked profile
@people make games
have u heard of the critical situation
you should interview ruben sim, as of this moment he is being sued by roblox for $1.8M. He has a youtube you should check it out and talk with him
"Jack's learning Unity now." Oof. Poor guy. Hit twice.
Ahaha true
Sheesh 😅
LOL with recent light.. yea
oh man...
Well, hopefully he can switch to unreal or some other engine
first rule of investigative journalism: if someone tries to stop you asking questions, you're on the right track
KEEP SPITTING
@@TweezersUnlimited L
@@TweezersUnlimited shill
@@TweezersUnlimited Damn, can I get one of those sweet corporate shill checks too? I can blindly kiss ass with the best of them too.
@@TweezersUnlimited what do you know about investigative journalism you're 11
Update: Doc has plead guilty to all federal child predatory charges and is facing 20 years in prison
Should be life.
good
did he make a video? pls link it
@@qibli7812 No, it's a court case
Thats good to hear
The fact that a developer spent 200k robuxs on clothes instead of withdrawing it into real money shows that in game currencies make you forget their actual value.
Especially when the exchange rate is very hard to find, and constantly changing.
I quit playing Roblox in 2012, when did they start allowing Robux to be converted back into real money?
@@CWINDOWSsystem32 only if you're a dev and got enough profit.
You know Casino Chips right?
@@TheShawna18 My point still stands.
it is sad to see roblox take this route instead of accepting the criticism to improve their platform
Yep
Yea
the reality is people don't take criticism well even if the criticism helps them.
John roblox, john halo's younger brother
@@truffleshuffle009 But they're an entire corporation.
Roblox: “Be anything you can imagine!”
Reality: Be anything that you can afford
ratio
@@chaouz twitter be like
ratio + you put randomass copied comment for fame + didn't ask + didn't care + bully: scholarship edition better
capitalism in a nutshell
Me: *Only plays the “experiences”* 😎
Update - As of August 2023 Doc has been arrested by the FBI and sentenced to 15 years in federal prison plus an additional 20 years of probation and to pay $10,000 in restitution. SEO was taken down after Sega demanded it's removal from Roblox for copyright infringement.
I dig a bit to see the details. Seemed like a harsh sentence for what amounted to ‘sexting’, compared to what actual rapists get. But no, there was a whole lot more he did after ‘Sarah’ that was worse, much worse. That ‘apology’ letter was just the usual lame cya. He didn’t change, he just upped the ante on his methods. Thankfully his victim was rescued but not before being kept captive for days. He’s a real sick dude. Sarah (not the kidnap victim) was extremely lucky to get away from him with ‘only’ his creepy text chats to scar her.
@@mkalebornwhat an insane development
he should’ve been put in solitary confinement for the rest of his life. i’m absolutely disgusted at how ineffective the prison system is at punishing criminals.
@@sylv256 I have a Couple Friends that did Time.... They Hate and I mean HATE Child Predators and they treat them as they Should be Treated.
So putting Doc in Solitary Confinement would be make Docs life Very Easy if you catch my drift.
@@mkaleborn he is still a bloody child predator.
As a Roblox Developer myself, I have to say, your allegations towards ROBLOX are pretty spot on. They have horrible moderation, banning developers for often no reason at all. Their Dev-Ex Rates are very poor, and scamming is very common among developers. Many of the people I have done commissions for are often very inexperienced and shady.
I absolutely agree.
Moderation > I recently had an ad taken down for "inappropriate content", despite not being inappropriate, they did not refund my Robux put into this ad.
Banning devs for no reason > I had that two years ago, they wouldn't tell me why I was banned for 3 days and only told me I was correctly banned.
Their Dev-Ex rates are poor > Yeah; from every $1000 people spend on my game, I get $700 in virtual currency which I can exchange for $245 (Minus $5 transaction fee makes $240)
Scamming is common among developers > Two of our guys took 2 million robux and ran off together, great, Roblox wouldn't do anything about it. Support is not helpful.
Many of the people are often very inexperienced and shady > As a scripter, I am constantly in charge of the UI because I can't find anyone who knows how to scale the UI correctly.
In general, I am also afraid to do anything on my main account, from chatting to placing ads et cetera. They could falsely moderate my account at any time -also the reason much groups have "group holder" accounts for instance.
Though Roblox has improved in the past two years, but still has some flaws.
I wish the best for the future though, as I am still a loyal Roblox developer making some extra cash on the side through this platform.
Yeah, but the only thing that is on roblox is their moderation, which can easily be fixed if you contact support. As for dev ex rates, roblox has made no profit for the past few years.
learn unity
@@v-l8162dude you think unity is better lmao
@@willyiam2169 this vidio is about how roblox is bad and if you made the same game on unity you would get more money
When a company wants you to delete a video about them, you know you've been exploring the right questions.
Journalism is printing what someone else does not want published; everything else is public relations - George Orwell
@@Crusader1089 I know its cliche to say "George Orwell was right", but in this case its necessary, and its very concerning.
Preach!
But why male models?
The Hungarian Government is the same. It's constantly criticizing and attacking independent press, while censoring whatever it can. It censors media of LGBT rights, abortion rights, ethnic rights, women's rights (domestic abuse). It recently branded a movie about an adult woman coming out to her family as lesbian as she wanted to invite them to her wedding as "unfit for public consumption" (Jenny's Wedding).
a message to all children: If a company or school offers to sell your product, game, or idea that YOU created. Don't do it, wait until your an adult to fully expand that idea and then decide what you want to do with that.
Bro it's actually heartbreaking that these big corps take advantage of these young kids :(
The best way to understand why is to understand somebody's pov or a more common phrase being "Stepping in someone else's shoes" Imagine being a child trying to earn robux to convert into money to buy candy from the store or something but getting minimal pay...
They legit take a 30%cut-
BUT also imagine being a big corp with millions upon BILLIONS of accounts to check (Its impossible which is why they use auto bot thingys" though roblox has to do better if they want their company to stand...
Hell they got sued for 200 mil from music in September and another 200 mil now
I still play roblox for the nostalgia and for the fact that I would wish to meet new players
(Im a shy blob)
If you're gonna take away anything about this comment (which you won't)
remember that you gotta step into someones shoes
(Sorry for bullying your notifications I posted it here because your post reminded me of this)
Reminds me of how marvel bough the black spiderman concept from a teen for a few thousand and made millions (if not billions) with that idea on venom
One time a teacher at my school saw a drawing frm my sketchbook and asked to take a picture. I agreed but was shocked a few weeks later to see the drawing had been posted to their instagram account with a caption claiming they encouraged my creatvity and generally took credit for my art chops. Obviously there was no money involved but it was still really upsetting to me they had done this without my permission and taken credit for it.
The thing is though, most roblox games are rip offs of other games.
"Jack's learning Unity now."
That didn't age well...
Ikr. Was about to come here to make that comment, lol. Timestamp for those curious is 25:15
Nothing ever ages well in this day and age of late-stage hypercapitalism, honey. And these bourgeoise elites have the audacity to feign ignorance while they double down on their IRL 4X game, now that the proletariats are waking up in younger and younger generations.
Capitalism is a disease, hypercapitalism, doubly so, and must be dismantled if we are to save our humanity, never mind our entire planet alone.
I need to follow Jack's next big decision. And then do the opposite of him.
Jack's learning godot now
How so?
25:15 “Jack’s learning Unity now”
2023 time travelers: JACK NO
why??
@@carterg3321 Not too long ago Unity changed its terms of service and is very unfriendly to developers now
Love how roblox has an an overcensoring chat to 'protect' children while they're exploiting children themselves
"stalker" is censored 💀
@@deathstalker8851 and I can't say town
When I could say arson
its a facade to trick parents at this point tbh
@@killjoyyzz exactly, its to create «safe environment»
it's called plausible deniability
Jack leaving Roblox to learn Unity is probably one of the best decisions he's ever made
@JAB00Z shut the up
@JAB00Z found the mindless drone.
@JAB00Z is this sarcasm?
@@wildtamer2033 No he's a troll
@JAB00Z did you even watch it? roblox might not do this on purpose, but they arent innocent
I really hope that this is NOT the last video you do on this. No matter how depressing, the world NEEDS to know what is being done to children, we need to get back on track as a society and stop the never-ending pursuit of profits
but not by attacking companies as if they created this society of unsupervised kids with strangers having access to them.
roblox already censors harder than the average police state like britain, cant expect anything more.
"we need to get back on track" has the same weight as "back in the good old days when everything was perfect"
@@trustytrest Not at all, "back on track" implies forward progress and improvement has just gone wild in potentially bad directions as opposed to the other statement claiming perfection in the past and refusing to move forward. Different words in different contexts mean different things.
@@trustytrest in the USSR.
"Jack's learning Unity now." Poor guy can't catch a break.
people are making insane amounts of money with Unity, soo.. good one, I guess
atleast hes got some coding experience now.@@lemonesque1
I wonder what he's upto now. Hope the dude's alright.
whats going on with unity??
@@carterg3321 The whole greedy scumbag CEO thing happened. I haven't kept up beyond the CEO resigning (or getting sacked?) a while back, not sure as to the current state of Unity.
How the F did a company like Valve almost get shafted for the whole skin gambling thing, but Roblox, a company focused on Kid friendly content, can enable this without any kind of investigation???
Cause kids are easy to manipulate and don't play Counterstrike
Because it’s just trading and buying and selling, if fortnite added trading would it be gambling? Is team fortress 2 already gambling?
@@M3RK_Crash theres literally lootboxes. It isnt just trading.
ikr
@@hmad898 Gambling for an item is the name of the game i dont see any mal in that lol😂 people are too soft now a days
"no, we do not encourage child labor or grooming - you're wrong"
"how?"
*Seen at 9:02 AM*
How did you put the time without making it a blue timestamp
*9:02*
@@uuo9151 no that was before the comment was edited to bold and it still wouldn't have worked
*9:02*
9:02 AM
@@solarwolf678 You put AM or PM after it.
0:01 am
0:01 pm
Even a year later, this video still barely scratches the surface. If PMG made a video about everything wrong with Roblox, we'll be here for the next decade.
what else is there down the roblox rabbit hole?
@@theneutralguy2317Surprisingly, *a lot*
@@ConstantBit9 can you name a few?
@@theneutralguy2317 Over 4 months late but it'd just be easier to say what isn't wrong with Roblox. A good start to the rabbit hole is the UA-camr Ruben Sim, his videos on his experiences with the company is a solid starting point to the thing.
@@dragonace119Interesting how you can't provide a single example.
I love how absolutely every experiment we run in having truly unregulated free markets ends in disaster and dystopia.
and people always think that the other people are the problem, "nah you just need to not buy it"
What does this even mean
Steam doesn’t scam people but they’re still making tons of money
You just have to make the effort to not use Roblox templates
The unregulated drug market's been doing great for centuries.
@@trinitrotolueneRBLXsteam is definitely not an unregulated market. Especially the last few years.
That is a joke right? Like both the legal and illegal drug market are a nightmare.
Fun fact: not long after this video was released, SEGA DMCA'd the game and the group and all the Devs were banned
let’s go
The owner got unbanned
Its funny lol When a Company who isnt really related with roblox is moderating roblox's website better than roblox himself
thank sega for that
Let's gooooooo
Dear Roblox Corp:
Children can't sign NDA's legally.
-Sincerely, the rest of us.
🙌
It's even better: Illegal NDAs are non-enforceable.
donald with gmod face
I wish UA-cam had a system like Steam Points so that I can award you
how do you have 1.1k likes but only 5 replies (including me)? buying likes much?
I really love the aspect of giving the youth a voice! It's really nice to see youth actually being represented and showing the true dangers and true experiences that these youth have to endure!
growing up on roblox I knew a few people who were totally fine making inappropriate jokes even against my wishes. one of them was a little over a year older than me and another was an adult, I remember cutting ties with the adult a little bit before I got a discord, then later finding out that they sent people nsfw without consent and yet them still being in the discord server of the game they worked for.
there were a few others who crossed boundaries over the years but after a while I drifted off of roblox and then away from my roblox friends.
to be honest, roblox's marketing towards kids is part of the problem -- and the fact that they have a private message system built in is insane given it's marketed towards 10 year olds. If it was encouraged for all ages then more eyes would be everywhere like in minecraft and honestly if you're expecting a ton of 10 year olds on your platform I think maybe private messages should be discouraged.
When a company refuses to directly answer questions, that’s an immediate red flag.
Yeah the sad truth is that today's games companies do that all the time the will refuse to talk unless ordered to
It's like when they asked Netflix's CEO if the company supported pedophillia and his reply was "We are neutral to all groups of people "
@@mr_nate8911 It’s just the optimal play given the current social climate. Apologies and excuses are just lightning rods for anger
Ewww furry
@@SquidCena my furry balls
This sounds illegal on almost every level, hope they get investigated in depth.
Theoretically it is illegal.
@@generalzucc462 its kinda child labor i think?
Can't wait for the Roblox court hearing.
its not illegal, its just very immoral. as long as the child labour and harassment doesn't happen through Roblox's platform and all the deals are made in shady board-room type 3rd party chats the roblox corporation can't and won't be held responsible for what happens. It's like the Rittenhouse case, obviously we're seeing a violation and a situation that shouldn't occur yet everything awful that happens if perfectly defensible in court which is all that matters in terms of corporate accountability.
@@elfpi55-bigB0O85 What does this have to do with the Rittenhouse case?
How is this legal? Im genuinely surprised they havnt been sued for this, its insane what they are doing
Simple when you have enough money laws stop applying to you. Welcome to the "free" market!
25:15 "Jack's learning Unity now."
Oh Jack you poor guy...
Roblox: Gets asked genuine questions with concern toward the minors using their platform.
Also roblox: “we aren’t answering your questions because they’re mean”
fr they were like "ur mean,,,, )): dont wanna be friends anymore" and tacked up a list that never actually answered anything
I've seen companies act like this more and more and it's genuinely pathetic.
I'm not defending Roblox here, but it's very naive to think they'd answer direct, incriminating questions like these right of the bat. It's even more naive to think they don't know that all of this is going on and are not obvious in their attempts to swipe the whole thing under the rug. This is pure gaslighting.
I woudn't be surprised if Roblox management consists of 8 years old kids only.
@@ivailok3376 we know
hey kids, remember that when someone says “i will have to live with this” as an apology instead of acknowledging the damage they have caused to others, that’s a 🚩
Red triangle on a stick
Are you talking about Roblox or Scott Morrison?
@@daneilgame123 😐
@@ghazghkullthraka9714 dakka?
@@daneilgame123 red flag
Thanks for the hard work!
So Roblox is using kids work for personal gain and all they provide is the basic premise and equipment. Along with providing minimal pay.
Like a sweatshop?
At least roblox’s sweatshop isn’t involuntary
@@ehtzbut it is still a sweatshop
Don't contact Roblox about the developer of that Sonic game. Contact SEGA/Nintendo, or whoever owns the Sonic copyright, and see them make Roblox kneel with a cease and desist letter. Lawsuits are what companies truly fear, especially lawsuits from other companies.
Roblox kneels down to the company until they turn a blind eye and roblox just keeps the new copyright infringing material up. Look at pokemon games on roblox and they are thriving, roblox takes one down every once in a blue moon, to be like "we don't support this" while they just want profit. If any company ever tries to take on roblox, keep an eye on them, and if you are nintendo, get on them because they are actively supporting copyright infringement when told to remove it
@@ERBEpic UA-cam is full of let's plays, this are just as much copyright infringements.
I believe Microsoft bought the rights to Sonic IP
@@lucaspallone9552 I looked into it, Sega owns Sega. They were not bought by Microsoft nor Nintendo.
@@cherubin7th Nintendo only in the switch era started to agree with the mentality that lets plays increase sales for their games because of exposure. It’s still infringement, but it’s better for game sales, and so Nintendo doesn’t take them down. They could, they have, they likely won’t.
The same cannot be said for Roblox Pokémon games. It wouldn’t be a stretch to say that they disincentive buying the actual Pokémon games, because everything is in this one.
"Jack's learning Unity now"
The best sentence in this entire video
I thought the same thing. Good on him, those are skills he can take with him. Unity is a fantastic engine to work with, from what I've heard.
@@DragonNexus Yeah until you want to make moving platforms. Oh the horrors
should learn UE4/5 tho too
hahahaha true
@@omegadaboi and maybe, as a start, game maker studio
Roblox needs to be completely shut down for the safety and wellbeing of every minor that uses that horrible platform
Watching it now, "Jack is learning Unity now" made me sad chuckle
Context?
@@Serperior1212I’m just as confused as you are
@@Guy9580 think its cause of unity charging their devs stuff
Valve, as a privately owned company, has received immense backlash for the community markets in TF2 and CSGO encouraging gambling. TF2 and CSGO being games rated for and marketed towards adults exclusively. Meanwhile Roblox has an entire laissez-faire economy run by children and is also traded publicly on the NYSE.
I traded in the TF2 Community, it wasnt too bad, I left at around 2020, I maybe made 10k USD, but I lost a lot due to the vast scams and unfortunate mistakes, but overall ive learned these E-Markets(within games) get hellbent on extorting you for your money, It was a very sour taste left in my mouth after playing that game since 2012. RIPtf2
Oh god I think I have hats worth more money than my car in tf2
In belgium we have a law about (random) lootboxes. They have to show the content before we buy them. I play a lot of dota 2 and i already know which item i'll receive from a collection before i buy it. Which is cool, but it also goes to show how far Valve and other companies have to go to abide the law. While this madness in roblox goes on. Damn i'm glad i never invested time into this game
the only update that tf2 gets are cosmetics that are sometimes literally stolen or reskinned
that’s why they let it happen, it allows rich guys and politicians yet another way to play number games on the stock market
as someone who was told they’d “be a good femboy” when they were 13 by an 18 year old on a roblox discord, it’s great to see someone finally bringing up the issues with the hellhole of roblox moderation
@GigiGiga i deleted discord a couple months ago and i just feel 10x better now
@GigiGiga untrue i have discord and that mostly happen in very big discord servers, is why i always join specific tiny servers based on stuff i like, but not tiny enough to the point of not having activity there
GigiGiga What discords are you on???
@@RaphielShiraha64 This.
This is actually the solution to many problems on the internet overall, Twitter is an big example, you wont get to the toxic shit happening there, if you only follow and interact with people that you like to consume their content/tweets.
Mosts Discord servers I actually interact are friends circles servers, and I keep a sepparate folder for other servers from official games to get news posted there and content creators which are well moderated. Never had any problem or drama.
@@Mostbee This!
One must know how to moderately enjoy platforms
> Jack is learning unity now
OH NO
"Jack's learning Unity now" ... well that didn't age well
what’s the context please?
@@alfie4200 Unity recently planned to introduce "an install fee". Making the developer pay for installs. Even if the game was free and been on the market for years. For more info look up Gamers Nexus's video about it.
@@alfie4200basically unity got a bit too greedy and made a 20¢ runtime fee and many people left
“What I said was very wrong and I apologize, but calling me out for what I said is blatant character assassination and you are wrong for it”
I hate these people with a passion.
That dude straight up sounds evil. He didn’t even actually apologize at all, not that he would’ve meant it anyways. Hope he falls into a woodchipper feet first.
The victim shouldn't even be on discord. It's 13+.
@@tootaashraf1 Adults shouldn't be talking like that to minors
@@tootaashraf1 It says 13+ on the side but there’s nothing stopping them from downloading it
@@nemo-x That is a pretty terrible attempt at a comparison, and no one said it wasn't a character assassination. It IS a character assassination, and it's entirely justified and deserved.
I love how the article talks about how Steam charges $100 for indie developers to out their game on their website. Like yeah, that's how businesses work. They also have a licence fee for using Source engine for games you're planning on selling. The difference being that is that you need to be an 18+ year old person to agree to their terms, and you actually get the majority cut of sales. As opposed to Roblox which takes most of the cut from actual children.
Yeah, Steam takes 30% of actual revenue instead of the majority of it
Actually no, atleast in poland you don't need to be 18 to sign that document, you need to have a tax identifcation number and a bank account though, but you can get those under 18.
Also steam provides decent networking in that price, acces to events such as steam next fest which are quite helpfully for a small indie dev, i think the 100 usd is a pretty decent price
Source: i am 16 and have a game on steam in my name
Also Steam gives the $100 back to the developer once the game reaches $1000 in revenue
@@noeldev In the majorty of countries you need to be 18.
How much is server hosting though? And moderation, and actually getting your game noticed by players. There's a lot of good that roblox does that just isn't mentioned anywherr
25:15 "Jack's learning Unity now"
Oh no.
Oh god... welp, that really does suck.
Context?
@@Guy9580 Unity isn't a great thing to learn right now I would argue.
Hey! I did some digging myself and found out that if you want to become a Roblox creator you need to provide an ID. So Roblox knew before all of us that he was managing SEO!
THIS is how you do journalism. Roblox is actually unbelievable.
Unfortunately a huge number of "games journalists", game devs, and players think that "journalism" amounts to PR for the video game industry.
Yes. A lot of developers use black market to sell robux .
Considering they're a multi-milkion dollar company that made its profits on the backs of children... this is entirely believable.
But they're publicly traded, so off to the markets! I've got hella stocks to short! TO THE MOOOOOOON
@@nigmane, and get banned because it's against the Roblox ToS, despite the video claiming completely falsely that they "turn a blind eye too it" because they'll get some sort of backlash?
@@bluelanterns2589 im a dev making 70k monthly, i have sold over 3m in robux and please tell me how i am still not banned
As always, whenever a company tries to silence someone the thing gets even more attention
or they stay under the radar and it never gets noticed in the first place, happens with a sad amount of companies
If you think about it then you would notice the people staying silent because they dont Tell anyone everything
It's called The Streisand Effect
If a company tried to silence someone and they were successful, how would you know?
Keep telling yourself that.
This is beyond outrageous.
Thank you for the proper games journalism other sites won't touch.
:D This is disgusting~ I.. am a full grown adult, and I am glad that not only did I not grow up with this platform available to me, but I'm also glad I had no intention of ever letting any child I have in future to access this platform. Thank you for all of your hard work.
I love how People Makes Games doubles down instead of buckling when they are pressured by the groups they are investigating. Same with the Athene video, truly fantastic journalism.
This is what gaming journalism should be. I don’t care about the 900th article about a new Mario coming out, Nintendo already told me.
They are what I wish no clip was. No clip makes videos documenting game’s creators without criticism.
@@Daftanemone They're different genres. This is more like reporting, while noclip documentaries are just that: documentaries. It's a common fallacy to think of documentaries as objective truth, while the main goal is most often entertainment (or edutainment). And at that they're very good imo
Hear, hear
@@Selawen Noclip has covered several controversial creators without touching on the controversy in any meaningful depth, they aren't 'entertainment' they are propaganda.
Amazing work
ayo how are you here???
noodle
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@@staco522 needle
Ah so you are still alive
Thank you for the important work you are doing.
This is very heartening to see. As a now teenager who played Roblox when I was around six years old, I’m terrified for my younger sister who is obsessed with Roblox. When I was six years old, I played a role play game where I was manipulated into erping with a stranger. I had no idea what was happening and I was scared. But I knew that my parents would take the game away if I ever told them what happened to me on it, I’m certain other kids had similar experiences, and I sincerely hope this does not go unpunished. You’re doing very honorable work. Keep going!
It's really sad how companies like this can still get away with everything, just because they're really big and difficult to take down
When they're above all, there's no greater power to stop them sadly.
my super super happy face which i bought for around 50 bucks a couple of years ago skyrocketed and is now valued at around $1000 was stolen and when i contacted roblox they just said they can't do anything about it, i don't really care about the money but it has a personal value and they just brushed it off :/
yes, I guess the best thing we can do is to stop playing roblox...
Damn, I’m early to see your comment for once.
When they do this too much to too many players they lose their player base and fade into obscurity.
If your openly flirting with a minor, and you knowingly are doing so, its a huge problem.
It is not just a problem, it is paedophilia, and you go to prison for doing it. (Or should at least if the laws are applied as written.)
And those texts shown alone go way beyond "flirting".
And taking NO for an answer is _always_ the way to go, regardless of age.
If i am interested in a women (yes, I am an old guy now) and she wants to play games by faking disinterest to make me "work for it", I write her off as not interested.
Yeah. That's the problem.
@@57thorns
Yeah, pedophilia is a problem. There’s no word to describe how big of a problem it is. I really just want to know if that girl is safe and she got help from her parents. Not her name, nothing like that just if she’s gotten help and she’s healing
@@57thorns Paedophilia is a problem, period.
A game developer literally just dmed my friend who’s a minor asking them to help him c**
"Jack's learning unity now..." oof
25:15 "Jack is learning Unity now" didn't age well
Jesus Christ man, props to you for shining a light. This is the Journalism we need. Don’t stop ever. The world needs people like you more than ever.
Theres a yt channel called rubensim. Sometimes he knows how to troll and joking.. but in the other side. He was disagree with roblox and go against it. He was being sued by roblox though.
@@danimationd8886 he literally went out of his way to ruin RDC .
@@nighttimeblitz2401 Hello, RubenSim̶p̶ subscriber here.
Just wanted to say he did not directly "went out of his way to ruin RDC."
_What he did was make a "terrorist bomb threat" joke on old Roblox user JuliusCole, who in the past had made a video where he states he wants all of Roblox HQ to die and shows a picture of (an old in-game model of) Roblox HQ and saying "they need to blow that shit up."_
_Unrelated to RubenSim, another user made an __-equally or more-__ edgy Tweet regarding the RDC, showing a photo of a Roblox t-shirt and a gun claiming "don't go to RDC"...or some shit like that. You get it, it's a school shooter joke._
_Threats like that normally wouldn't be taken lightly, so that gave grounds for Roblox to sue. Rather than going after the latter, they targeted RubenSim for threats. The second Twitter user claimed responsibility and says they're not involved with the UA-camr._
Not trying to directly defend RubenSim atm (but I'm willing to argue it if bothered to), but just saying I don't think he actually wanted or intended RDC to be cancelled.
@@PocketRowlette your mom are you bothered yet?
Dont say "We need more people like him" Be like him instead.
Depressingly, Sarah's story is just one of many. I wonder how many stories like her's go unheard.
Stories as important as these, about minors getting hurt. Gets silenced, while the future mainstream media is sexualizing kids and attempting to blur the lines to what is "acceptable". We fucked up, by bringing an age old online culture into our markets for the sake profit.
Statistically, it has to be the vast majority; if not, people would actually get caught regularly and the problem would start shrinking.
Ok so once I was on Roblox and this girl was asking “men” in royal high to help make babies. She asked me a trans male to help her I left the server and reported her.I haven’t seen her since. She asked the people to come to the hotel room and then she did emotes that looked inappropriate when put with the other ones like: face in the “inbetween the legs area”
True but you shouldn't be "12" on discord. due to TOS
@@Teairnx That isnt an excuse for sexual abuse. It can happen to any age.
25:14 "Jacks learning Unity now"
2021: Aww, that's nice to see
2023: NOOOOOOO JACK ):
Context?
I feel like it’s also important to point out the toxic environments in roleplaying games on Roblox and how little anyone is doing to reign that in. Not all RP games are like that, I’ve heard a lot of the smaller ones are actually fun, but the big popular ones allow kids to be exposed to a lot of truly vile things (abuse being one i personally saw a lot)
And the fact that online dating exists on a site dominated by children with no way to reign that in
And that their moderation system appears to be more broken than any other game I’ve personally played
Clearly it isn’t impossible to create a safe environment online where users have avatars they can customize, can interact with other players, and where in app purchases give the players exclusive items
Roblox just doesn’t care about any of that. They wouldn’t care if every time a player tried to load into a game, it would crash! As long as they are making money, none of it matters to them.
The fact that Roblox allows links off their site onto Discord, UA-cam, etc. yet still saying anything off their site is not their responsibility just flabbergasts me. They're literally providing the off site links.
they dont even moderate the content on the links making it easy for kids to be led to some really suspicious stuff through offsite links 💀
That’s fair tho. They can’t be blamed for anything offsite and if they don’t allow off site links, communities around these games wouldn’t grow as fast
@@Armera they can very much be blamed for offsite links
@@Armera they literally can add moderation to certain links if they can add moderation to chat LMAO
@@toniogarza1712 That would just be plain wrong, lets say I have a link to discord. Roblox cant moderate my discord, like at all…
"Jack's learning Unity now" I honestly wish him the best of luck and hope he can look back on this mess some day and laugh
shoulda learned unreal 🥺
@@ripples1072 whats wrong with unity
It's great that he didn't give up on game development and is making something he will actually own.
@@ripples1072 unity is more versatile
he chose the right engine lets goo
"jack is learning unity now" JACK NOO
“Jack’s learning Unity now”
With recent developments this is such sad news to hear
“This isn’t PR, this is gaslighting” what a quote man thank you People Make Games for the video hope you guys keep exposing evil practices like this
you sir, are funny, because journalism only does one thing and its all negative news
@@yes-kd1qf How do you think ROBLOX should fix these issues?
If you would just research for yourself and not follow some random channel..
@@mariustan9275 i think the only things need fixing are moderation and dev ex.
@@SwitchedDreams but this video is a compilation of research and allegations yes?
When your defense of your account being banned for sexually harassing a 12 year old is that's not what you were even banned for, it becomes incredibly concerning what you were banned for.
Who?
@@PA-1000 doc
I had a stroke trying to understand this
@@SquidCena you must be illiterate then, third language and it makes plenty of sense
@@Joostmhw yup, 2nd langage and also clear as day.
25:14
Poor Jack can't stop being given Ls at every corner
"Jack is learning Unity now"
oh no
Context?
"Reports of abuse are taken very seriously."
Yeah, they were 8 years ago, when I got a warning for being better than other people at a game.
the moderation system is just a bot not the roblox team
@@sakurasetaria Thats why its so bad.
"oh, you managed to get a lot of in-game currency without paying robux? you must've been cheating"
*Banned for 2000 years*
Not suprised, you can get banned for 7 days for saying racist, gay and just innocently spamming
Guys we need a human-only moderation system
This is absolutely predatory, Roblox needs to be held accountable. Unfortunately as you said, this might be next to impossible. Absolutely disgusting.
Yes
It’s really sad
To be fair, I strongly doubt boycotting ROBLOX and withdrawing all financial support for the platform will even help. I mean, try it if you want, but it will all be in vain.
Just goes to show how limited our options of taking down ROBLOX and sparking change is.
@@ConfirmedZer0 the best thing that could happen is some sort of legislation against this kind of predatory approach that roblox has taken, rather than boycotting roblox themselves which as you said won't be effective.
I'm urging all of you to not buy robux and boycott , if you dont buy from them again they will start losing money and they will feel it.
25:15 Jack do be fighting that uphill battle.
as someone who was involved in the roblox trading/collectables community when i was a child, it is incredibly easy to get scammed out of all of your money. i forgot the name for it but sometimes a person will buy one of these collectables and sell it on for a lot more than it sells for normally to inflate the price and then people who have the item will try and trade it for the inflated price before it goes down, causing people who accept these trades to eventually lose all of their money when the price of the inflated item goes back down to normal. i was a victim of this myself and although i only lost around $20-ish of items it was still extremely upsetting for a child who had no idea what was going on and just thought someone wanted to trade me an item that was worth more than my item
Coming back to say another comment: several journalist/news sites have reported on this, but none are big enough to draw attention to it. This video is nearing 2M+ views, and that's a good thing. The more awareness brought to the company's corruption the better. What I fear is Roblox targeting the channel or video with a strike or even a lawsuit at worst. But if they do, I feel like it will only prove they want to censor people under the false claims of defamation or lies.
Their hands are tied with Ruben sim so this video should be ok for a bit
@@quietstew843 Yeah, I feel bad for Ruben. He's got to pay that much money..
ITS A BAD THING
@@moonbow4658 not yet. Think the trial is still on going since I made a vid on it. Unless the case already ended?
@@beekid1132 by "it's a good thing," they meant the fact that this video is spreading awareness to millions of people
Finally there is a realistic and genuine source for a parental panic around gaming AND THEY AREN’T DOING IT.
Violence in video games is an easy to understand issue for parents, labor exploitation, black markets, and child gambling? Not so much
Wel that’s mostly because it’s not happening right in front of there faces. If it ain’t gta flashing hooker tits in front of their faces and parents just see it as block game then they’ll turn a blind eye to child exploitation
If the kids in my family want to play with blocks they get legos or cardboard boxes.
But look how cute the game is
@@dr.floridaman4805 How about duplo, or Playmobil, or Zoob, or Mega Blocks, or suicide blocks?
Black markets??? Child gambling??? Where are these coming from?
25:15 “Jack’s learning Unity now”
I’d like to know if he still is based on the recent events from the company
*_"They can't keep getting away with this!"_*
"Jack is learning unity" didnt age very well. Poor guy can't catch a break
Can we stop saying things from last fucking week "aged well" it hasn't aged at all. It's literally current events.
@@SineN0mine3
props to sarah for coming forward. so upsetting how prevalent it is for literal CHILDREN to get abused online and needing to grow up so fast because of it. she sounds very well-spoken and i hope she is getting support.
W
Sarah is a good role model for people who have experienced what she had. Speak out and speak loud!
you cant abuse someone online
MY CHANNEL IS NOT RICKROLL :)
@@brownie3210 it is a rickroll
"One person who speaks the truth, can bring down tyranny." God's work this man is doing
TRUE
Roblox is starting to get to EA levels of bullshittery.
@@ajc0072 they exceeded EA long ago. The fact the whole platform is based on child labour that underpays all their employees is enough to make this basically one of the worst tech companies. The rest explained to this video just comes on top of this.
Look at blizzards sexual harassment and how it basically destroyed the company. Meanwhile Roblox just ignored all sexual harassment with under age people and says it's not their fault it happens under basically their employees. Except they pay their employees in fake cash to keep them working there.
@@The_oli4 roblox developers are volunteers, not employees, they choose to make the games for fun, some expect to make money, their real employees are paid real money.
Roblox has always been EA levels of bullshittery, it's just that the audience is generally younger, and therefore people don't really know what's going on. But, as the community grows older, the issues are being addressed and new problems are arising. Still, Roblox will never have to respond to any of this.
Holy shit, that doc guy got busted:
‘On July 29, 2022, Arnold Castillo was federally charged with child sexual abuse crimes.’
"Jack's learning Unity now." My 2023 heart hurts hearing that, I hope Jack's doing okay with the recent Unity goings on....
PLEASE dont let up on Roblox, its obviously depressing but extremely vital. Investigative journalism like this (and people coming forward) is the *only* way anything ever gets changed. Fight them on the gaslighting, or maybe talk to legal professionals to clarify just how illegal this is. *LegalEagle could teamup on this.*
Everybody gangsta until LegalEagle shows up
Or just dont use it.... First time i heard of Roblox.
@@PatchworxStudios Easier said than done, there's a shit ton of kids who already play it and it's impossible to stop them from doing it.
@@dickurkel6910 And its their problem... If someone wants to be in such an environment let them. You only can stop yourself to contribute and maybe safe your friends and family. Besides ALL Platforms had those issues back in the days but we gladly accepted or left.
@@PatchworxStudios All platforms had these issues? Out of curiosity, do you have examples? I don't remember anything coming close to what Roblox has.
I said it on the last video, I'll say it again. This is one of the only cases that I can think of where the line "oh won't somebody think of the children" is actually really appropriate, and not just a rhetorical fallacy. Parents and congresspeople *need* to get involved with this.
It's disgusting just how little action Roblox seems to take; they will preach that the platform is safe and a good one for kids when they don't actually care. Really wish it wouldn't be that way but with the direction they're going I don't think anyone will stop them.
yeah this ain't a moral panic or any of that bs. this is unregulated child labor. absolutely revolting shit.
It is true that parents and governments need to be involved, but like Quintin said,
"it took me months to unpick how Roblox operates...what hope does parents and politicians have of understanding what their kids are doing on Roblox or with who? Or the many and varied ways the Roblox corporation is profiting from them."
Even Roblox doesn't have a full enough understanding to explain to these officials, which is absurd.
@@com0001 Roblox simply does not want to take action. They are focused on profit maximization. So having MILLIONS of free workers kind of fit in their idea of profit maximization.
As someone who watches congressman stock portfolios I can tell you for certain that nothing will be done 😌
Its sad that we're making our children smarter but not wiser.
Like, to see yourself "succeed" in society you need to be smart.
But if you're to escape scams, and abusers and so on, you need to be wise. And its sad that we're so "efficient" that we leave no time for that. Despite having enough work force to make 4 hour workdays a thing....
I love the depressing and empty feeling that a big company being horrible and not caring about the users brings to me.
“Jack’s learning unity now” wow that makes me feel so much better tbh. Imagine if all of these young devs devoted their time to the learning unity or unreal, a bit higher barrier to entry, but at the end of the day their not being exploited.
Exactly!
And with significantly larger potential to get paid what they are actually worth.
2 weeks ago I wanted to try out roblox development. Now I am skipping the "middle man" and going straight to unity. heck nah I am not going to be exploited by a child exploiting conglomerate thats bigger then Nintendo
That's what you'd hope for, right? For alot of the good developers to leave Roblox for a more flexible platform or engine? But other than the simplicity, Roblox's massive userbase is probably what keeps alot of the devs clinging to the site. Quick and easy players, the micro-transactions and all. I can't imagine how difficult it might be for an indie developer to get enough purchases without some magic luck the popular games and studios have...
I mean, large swathes of the game industry still aren't unionized, and people who end up working in it are often victims to very high turnover, workplace harassment, and terrible working conditions involving crunch, sleep deprivation, and borderline unlivable wages. But at least your boss won't be a 10-year-old if you work at Ubisoft or Activision-Blizzard lol
"Jack's learning Unity now" OOF
Why isn't there a age limit for having access to the collectibles market
money. roblox knows exactly what they are doing. they know they are exploiting children and they don't care.
99% of their players are children - As long as it is legal they will continue.
Well, I had intended to go to bed like 3 hours ago. Instead I ended up writing lengthy emails to my state representatives. This is frankly disgusting and I am actually floored that any of this is considered to be legally acceptable. Nothing short or predatory and exploitative. Can't believe that UA-camrs can have their entire channels put at risk of deletion for advertising to children inappropriately, but Roblox can literally profit from extensive child labor abuse.
Thank You For Your Effort ! 🖤
Algorithm bump for more of this
Thank you for bringing attention to this! This needs to be looked at globally.
And that's why I love the States, a single person can stand up to a huge company and still have a chance to win a lawsuit. Where I'm from, the industry titans CEOs are ministers so they oversee the interest of their own companies rather than the people.
Kalen: Karen 2.0 🤣
"I'm *outraged* and will ruin my circadian rhythm so I can TALK TO THE REPRESENTATIVE!"
“Jack’s learning unity now” is probably the most valuable line
the most hopeful one at any rate
Absolutely, I hope he learns Unreal too
Came here to say this too, such a hilariously simple summary of working with Roblox
How much do unity and unreal take as a percentage?
@@dotslashsatan I don't think Unity nor Unreal Engine take any percentage of your income, it's the game store that you're uploading to that takes said percentage (example: Steam takes 30% every time someone buys your game, however the Epic Games Store takes 12%.)
However, it should be stated that if you made your game on Unity and said game makes more than 100,000 USD, you'll have to get a Unity Pro license. (I'm not sure about the numbers though.)
Dr Rofatnik or should I say, Arnold Castillo, was arrested by the FBI now. I don't find this surprising and I honestly cant be bothered to explain but there is a video by Ruben Sim which explains it in detail.
"Jack's learning Unity now" poor kid can't catch a break
I can see Quinns visibly ageing as he learns how mind-bogglingly bad this whole Roblox ecosystem is.
his brain got so damaged that face probably would get 10 wrinkles
*roblox moment*
lmao he probably shortened his life span by a year researching roblox
It is very depressing to see that the very platform that we support as a community just transforms into money making capitalism corporation.
Too much MasterChef. Sadge.
I genuinely wanna know how we stop corporations like this from continuing their dirty work. We literally cannot sue them cus it would be a slap on the wrists to them.
Welcome to the revolution, comrade. Best start sharpening your guillotine...
A foundational, fundamental shift in how our system functions is the only way what you're looking for is going to happen. The politicians whose job it is to put regulations in place to do something about this kind of stuff are either: stomping on the gas pedal to accelerate this kind of stuff because they think it's good actually; are too out of touch to even understand the issue (there are some in the House and the Senate who LITERALLY do not understand what email is); or have abandoned us to fend for ourselves in the face of the depredations of these corporations because they can fundraise off of material conditions perpetually worsening.
Nothing changes if nothing changes, and nothing has fundamentally changed in a long, long time.
Same!!
u just have to find out how to make them lose money (so they cant get out of court by paying it off)
@Hatsune Miku's Leek a few hundred means nothing when there's literally billions of accounts, most aren't active but from what I've seen there's over 3 billion accounts and around 50m daily users. With a lot of them being children logic doesn't work the same way cause a lot of them don't realize they're being taken advantage of when they are
the only way is to get other corporations to ''fight'' them by actually supporting these youtubers just like SEGA, it's the only way.
“Jack’s learning Unity now”
This one aged poorly
It was heartbreaking to hear jack’s story. And all of these stories. It really goes to show how horrible roblox is
As a minor, when I was around 12 to 13 I took part in a team of amateur developers. I joined a game on the roblox platform where people could advertise their games, groups, virtual clothing, etc. I found someone, probably within a few years of my age who wanted to make a game.
I offered my services as an animator and 3d modeler, and they invited me to their discord. I and one other random child worked under a minor with no experience in this whatsoever.
I had some experience with 3d modeling, and while it wasn't professional quality it was decent. I did this as a hobby and for fun, not anything serious. I did all of the modeling/animating on roblox studio.
Basically, I and this other person, a scripter, would work on the game based on what the actual owner of the game told us to do, with the promise of a fraction of the revenue the game generated.
A lot of mistakes on my part. I did not know anything about the background of the person who I was working under, he did not give me a solid percentage, and he was very loose when telling us what to do.
After doing a lot of work on the game, it was almost ready to be released. I was excited because I had spent a lot of time working on it after school. The person I was working under, with no notice, banned me and the other person from the discord, blocked us on roblox, removed our permissions from the game and posted it, after removing the credits to us. We had made little statues of ourselves labeled scripter and modeler, and he deleted them. The game was a flop anyways, but I was upset.
Edit: I don't recall the exact name but it was like clicking legends, tapping simulator, or something like that.
What a thoughtful and nice idea to make statues of yourselves in the game and how cruel someone take everything away from you without a second thought…
As you should be, you should be furious, your hard work and time went into that just for it to be stolen. It's basically art stealing, I'd never stop posting it everywhere if someone stole my art, it's like a farmer growing a fruit tree from a seed, taking care of it all the time, just to have someone steal all your fruits once they grow and killing the tree in the process. It's the same thing imo
@@NatalovesLilly it's a really cute thing I loved seeing in Roblox, a lot of the big games have them which I always thought I was cool, it's selfish af to remove them
qwq *cries
What was the game
One of the things that frustrates me the most is how they completely disregarded all the questions they were asked, instead to regurgitate the blandest, most generic corporate answers to ever exist.
Yep, it feels like every politician and big company does the same these days. Not many people even care about it either. It's sad.
It reminds me of when I emailed my congressman to convince him to preserve net neutrality. He sent back a generic email will all the anti-net neutrality talking points that I had _already countered in the email I sent him._
@@LooperEpic The thing is people see through it now. These types of responses have been used for too long at this point. When they give these types of answers people just assume they are guilty.
@@TheOneGuy1111 it was likely auto mated or sent back to you via an assistant. They count the number of letters, rarely the actual content of them
That's such bullshit where these meaningful journalists go and ask these shady companies a question that wouldn't kill them to answer, and the businesses give them that "refused to comment" response. Like *you pos, if you're not gonna comment it's just gonna make you look even more suspicious.*
25:14 "Jack's learning Unity now." WELP that didn't age well.
Jack's learnign unity now:
Now, I have bad news, Jack...