It's always good to have proper information. I have checked out my 71 Nova to death and it's no special car to some but to me it is as it has some odd things about it that you can see on my channel. Thanks for the update and look forward to your next episode..........
I have a 71 307 auto car, 3 rd owner. I like the appearance of the SS badging so I added it after I swapped the all the running gear. I added a 383, M22, & Dana 60. The car has a pretty stock appearance inside, even kept the bench seat when I added the manual. Look at it from the side down low or underneath and you see the major changes. I put the car together for me and plan on keeping it, just makes me happy :-) On a side note to help determine if your car is a SS, I believe the fuel line for a 350 or bigger car is 3/8 where a 307 and smaller is a 5/16. Chances are if it has a factory 5/16 fuel line it is not a SS, Just my .02 take it for what it s worth.
My 1969 Nova SS is the real deal. It is a L 48. I found the fisher body sheet in the backseat. I now have a documented Nova SS. Original HA block and 041 heads. This car is a M20 4 speed. All interior is original. Bucket seat console car. What a dream.
I worked for Earnest Allen Chevy in Fort Worth and we got a 1969 SS Nova it was Green and was special ordered and had a 427 cid if I remember correctly and stripped it didn’t even have a heater core in it and had rubber floor cover
That was probably a COPO car. Although most were factory 396 cars. It is the same type that were turned into Yenko cars. Ridiculously rare. Like less than 50 made.
I gotta 74 buick apollo with a 72 nova front clip on it with a ls3/4l65e and of course a bolt on SS badge in the grill.......I get soooooooo many compliments on it!! I love it!!
I just wanted to thank you and the other guy on the internet for spreading this crap about it's not a true ss. All this is doing is just helping to devalue all Nova ss cars just because they don't have the original paperwork to prove it. 52 years ago when I bought my first 1970 Nova ss right off the showroom floor, I never thought there would be guys on the internet accusing people of making an ss because it would be much smarter and cheaper just to buy one that was already built from the factory! . I was one of those guys who didn't pass along the window sticker or bill of sale. I'm as much as an authority on Nova SS as you or the other guys are and I was around when they were being ordered and built either before you were born or were in diapers! In my opinion you and the other guy are overlooking one obvious indicator that the vehicle is a true ss. Yes, someone could be dumb enough to spend the money adding front and rear ss badging and the console with gauges, and the woodgrain in the door panels on the 1971 and many of the other items that you say they could just buy it and add it on but a true ss would have the v8 engine indicated on the firewall tag but it would also have the factory mounts in the wheel wells for the factory mounted dual exhaust that only came with the high performance 350 and 396 ci engines. There are very few of these cars that the original engine has survived so just because you put a fresher engine that doesn't have matching numbers doesn't change it from a true ss to not a true ss ..........it's just not a numbers matching vehicle!
First, I don’t make the rules. Too many people have tried to pass off fake SS cars over the years. There are verifiable ways to PROVE a SS car. Then there are ways to be wrong about it. I don’t care if you like it or not. Facts are facts. If you can’t prove it with paperwork or the original engine then that’s too bad. They’re not worth much without original engine anyway. The cowl tag never proves a V8 car. The VIN does. It is very common for the cowl tag to show a V8 11427 car but the VIN shows 11327. The VIN is always correct. I’m just sharing correct information. Sorry you don’t understand.
If you're ever in Minot, ND and see a midnight blue metallic 4 door 69 Nova with a 307 and Appliance wheels, that was mine. As a poor Airman, I couldn't afford to put anymore money in it when the transmission started to go. Still think about her because she was my first in 1983.
Actually I kinda have talked about it. When I did the wheels for FrankenNova. I need to put together a video that only covers that though. Thanks for watching!!
Word. I was planning on 275/60/15 in the rear but because I went with a 5.0 BS instead of 5.25 or 5.5 BS and didn't want to turn my shocks inboard I could only stuff a 255/60/15 in the back. The Nova forums have way too many people second guessing each other or saying, "Well my cousins wife's brother fit such and such" that's it hard to figure out the truth from the bull crap.
Man love my 68 nova SS factory 350 4 speed still have the factory daul exhaust hangers on it factory and black bucket seats but I didn't get the og engine had it 20 years this year lol time flys and u and tell a factory big block nova because of the heater box the heat core hoses r in different place because of the heads r so big
I have a documented SS car. There are things about real SS cars that we don't want the cloners to know about. That way when the rubber hits the road and money changes hands we can spot a fake within a minute or two and save heartache in the long run. Good video for sure.
@@Shop209 As you stated, without documentation, the assumption is fakery. I would hate to have the real deal car and not be able to prove it. Thats where the friction comes in. Are the majority of the repop rear SS panels made of plastic ?
I’m not sure, I know of a clone that has some real SS parts on it. It’s not hard to prove it isn’t real since it has a 11327 vin but if someone didn’t know better the money could get real. The real problem is when someone is selling a fake and don’t know it. Then refuse to believe it.
@@Shop209 2nd, 3rd owner or 5 states and 3 years away from the original badge swapper. I think that why this video is valuable so others know what they are looking for. Not sure about you but the best fake I have ever seen wasn't up snuff. The up to snuff ones I didn't know were fake if in fact they were were usually cars I was not given the option to decode/sniff around the teltale ares and such. I'm thinking alot of the higher end SS cars still have their paperwork with them. My favorite silly thing I hear..oh, its got a 11427.. it must an SS 427.. har har har.
1. Check the VIN 2. Does it have a rear sway bar? 3. Does it have mulitleaf rear springs? 4. Does the brake pedal have the Disc Brake medallion on it? That's what I'd start with anyway.
This is a good overview of the way too common question for sure. Definitely seems like there are more SS's out there than were originally built. Would like to add one thing, 1968 you could only get the 350 as a L48 in an SS. All other small blocks optioned were 327/307. Suffix Codes for the 350 one 68 Nova's were MN (Automatic and A.I.R.), MS (stick) and MU (automatic). Not sure if that changed in 69, but 68 350 was an SS only option. Been wanting to do a video like this as well, good job!
@@Shop209 haha, I have a video of pulling the trans on my 68 on this YT channel. I talked about some of the details but I think doing a 68 alone video may be a good idea! Thanks for that. My 68 is an "SS" but without documentation, so there is that. We may know where the original block is, but been hard to get contact with who may own it.
Cool. I have a friend that has a 1970 with original 12 bolt, it has the exhaust hanger plate on drivers side, it also still has the clips for passenger side speedo cable. With what’s left of a bench seat floor. Probably was an SS. Will never know.
im 15 just got a 72 nova in honestly great shape i pulled a 78 c20 350 and th400 out and i'm working on putting new headers new rpm intake and a adaptor im keeping the quadrajet for gas mileage uses i do have a edelbrock 600 cfm carb but it needs rebuilt. the right quarter panel had a lot of rust and the wheel lip is all broken in on the rear half of it i got a 10 bolt 8.5 looks like it had some heavy modifications i havent taken anything of the axle apart im putting new drum brakes in the back already has a whole new front disc brake system hasn't even put brake fluid in it yet i need to reupholster the seats but i don't trust ill do it correctly i have bench seats and i just need a new driver rear because its all tapped up going into my sophomore year of high school and want to be able to get it running and looking half decent my brother has a 81 camaro and my cousin has a 78 trans am both absolutely gorgeous im painting mine primer black with a matte black finish looks great already finished the front fenders i have another quarter panel i can cut out and do body work but i honestly don't trust i will do it correctly and i've never wielded anything in my life. im in oregon and im working outside in the gravel with no shop and tools laying all over the place already cleaned u the trunk and whole floor pan is all in great shape a lot of bondo work im sanding and painting the whole thing but if i do end up putting the quarter panel in i want it all to look the best its really just the bottom part of the panel next to the back of the wheel well and im going to need all the tips i can get if im gonna do that im on a tight budget all my money and all my work.
Good deal! Sounds like a lot of work but just take your time. There’s lots of info on UA-cam that can help you. Join some nova groups on Facebook. They can help you find parts and help with other stuff too. Thanks for watching!!
Great video I have an ongoing discussion as to a 1970 Nova owned locally It has an L78 with L89 heads And is a glide car He has a build sheet and the window sticker Both are rough But all of my research says GM didn’t put a glide Benin’s a big block In 1970
@@Shop209 block numbers match We know the heads were done after it was bought Cowl tag says automatic Column shift But as I said the build sheet and window sticker are really bad I think somewhere down the line someone changed the dash and column He isn’t trying to say it’s legit But we do know it’s an SS because the block numbers match
I bought a 69 396 nova ss 2 years ago. the front had a build sheet didn't match the trim tag. I was bummed out. After multiple attempts to find another one in the car; I found the correct build sheet matching the trim tag in the upper right corner of the back seat(back rest). to further prove the trim tag is original to a 69 nova is the Fisher body number is stamped in any number of places. should match the trim tag. mi e
I ordered a '70 Nova new from the factory. Not SS, 350 2bbl, positraction, 3speed manual on the floor, bench seat, custom trim inside and outside. AM radio, manual drum brakes and manual steering, no ac. Forest Green, black vinyl interior. 3.07 rear with 2.54 first gear. It would beat Stock SS Nova in the quarter, but they were catching me!
I’ve had this argument so many times with people telling me all SS Nova’s were just appearance packages I had to tell them they were wrong that’s why I’m not building mine as a clone just plain ol’ Nova
Shop209 in February I will have been at it for 2 years and haven’t even broke 100 about ready to not care lol just do it film it and go on if I get views I get views if I don’t I don’t
@@Shop209 around my area, Michigan. There all rotted. And most I find are tubbed or just raced to death. My old man has like 6 Nova in all different conditions, he won't part with them
I have a beautiful 72 nova .when I'm at the car show I get 10 times more comments about that awesome bench seat on mine than the ss badges on the one next to me.🤣🤣
I have found that most cars that are touted as SS cars but don't have any SS options, will have an aftermarket LS engine in them so there is no way to prove they are or aren't.
know how i know my 73 is a ss it still has factory paint on it but i did get 2 with factory paint but scraped one of them because i only wanted one plus both had gauges on the floor . witch was rare and only the ss models in that year came with gauges on the floor both were hatch backs too with the ss stripes on the side all factory both had 0% rust good clean bodies . got one with a rebuilt 350 engine for 700 and the other one with no engine for 50 bucks and u know how much just the gauges are worth all in good shape working and looking good but i did put a stroked 396 in it with tunnel ram then scraped the other one i going to scrap a 79 z28 because i am building a 79 z28 rs t top car and just want the new interior out of the other one got both for free u should see the 66 gt dart i got for 50 bucks no rust in the car all complete but was missing the distributor but had new tires and wheels still had the tits on them i still have not dun anything with it but sold the wheels and tires for 600 some of the rigs i get for free would blow peoples minds . jun i got a 79 short box cheyenne 4x4 full option truck 400 sb 400 turbo under 35,000 miles on it been parked in a shop it's hole life for free in mint condition just had to clean the carb and put a new fuel pump on it . supper chevy offer 12,000 for it till they found out that it was not restored they wanted me to come back when the boss was there because they were not aloud to go higher but the told me he would really want this .
Just wondering, not for identifying an ss Nova but just to know. Do ss Novas have the same door panels as the standard Nova. I’ve seen on websites that there are standard and custom door panels. Thanks for your very informative videos!
A 68-74 Nova is my dreamcar. I'm on the edge about to trade or sell my 87 Iroc (Clean and unmolested) to get a Nova. What should I look for when looking for a Nova?
What about the heater core outlet on a big block they come out in the middle small blocks come out closer to the motor I have a 1969 and they come out in the middle
As I understand it, the SB and BB firewalls are the same. The heater box can be swapped so it could be from another car. After 50+ years it’s hard to verify stuff like that is original. A car can have everything that says it’s a real SS yet there’s no PROOF. Which is really what I was talking about. If you’re paying extra for a Super Sport you want it to be as probable as possible. Ultimately anything can be faked.
I want to clone my 70" nova into a SS . It is now stock 350 engine automatic trans with shifter on the floor console gage delete bucket seats power disk brakes power steering muiti leaf springs all stock, except for intake and headers. "Should I do it"
I have a 70, and there is one option that ONLY came on SS and was not available on a non SS Nova. Dual exhaust. So behind the tire on the driver side frame rail there is a factory welded tag where the exhaust hanger was mounted. Plus from what I can state from research, ONLY SS Nova's had a fuel return line from fuel pump back to tank. Can you verify this?
Where would the build sheet be? Would it be be under the carpet or seats. I have a 71 ss that has a 4 speed bench seat, 350 270 hp, 12 bolt, rear defogger, and power disc brakes. Thanks.
It could be under the rear seat or on top of gas tank. There’s also a body broadcast sheet that could be there. It would have some info but maybe not all.
Question, if my car (a 1971) had a factory mounted rear sway bar with the F41 suspension package, isn't that a pretty good indicator that it's a real SS? As far as I know from 70-72 that option was available only on SS cars. Does that sound right to you?
Well, maybe. I’ll explain why, with the SS option in 1971 you would get the F40 suspension. The F41 suspension was an option. There were 1370 cars in 71 with F41 option and 15,238 cars with the F40 option. However there were only 7015 Super Sports built in 1971. So clearly there were cars ordered with the F40 and non SS. You’re correct though, from what I know it was an SS only option. Although you should have other indicators. Power discs, VIN needs to start with 11427 not 11327, if engine is original it should be an SS only coded engine. Dual exhaust plate welded to drivers side rear frame rail. There should be a ton of clues. Not just rear sway bar. It just depends on the person you’re trying to convince. If you don’t have original drivetrain it has the value of a non SS even if it’s real. Thanks for watching.
@@Shop209 it definitely doesn't have the original engine, but it does have a 11427 vin, factory power disc brakes, 12 bolt, etc., so there's plenty of indicators. I'm not worried about resale value because I got the car from my father and plan to pass it to my son. Hopefully it stays in the family.
I have a couple novas. One 70 project car I had up for sale but was bashed on Facebook by people saying it wasn't a real ss etc. ( I didn't list it as such nor did I care just listed the options it has) It is a 350 4 speed car. I dont have the original engine. Has factory bucket seats, factory dual fuel 3/8 line, both dual exhaust brackets on rear frame rails. 12 bolt, power disc brakes, factory ss hood with the extra support tabs for hood louvers. And as you say here there's no 100 percent way to prove it ( car was priced at 3000 so for all those parts I wasnt trying to get rich) but heres why I feel the car is real is the fact it has the F41 suspension package. It has the Rear sway bar ( pretty small diameter in my opinion) with the factory end link mounts made into into the trunk floor. And a larger front sway bar. Which from all my research I am seeing was only available on the SS models and was rare even then? Do you have any information on that by chance. I removed the car from being for sale because it was causing tons of arguments between the group members on there. The only place I havent looked for a build sheet was above the gas tank but figured thats a stretch. I didn't want to part the car as I felt someone could keep it all together but the hassle with selling was too much for facebook but was thinking about just ebaying it..I'd build it but I have too many as it is.. Thanks for the video.
Thank you for watching. It definitely could be a real SS. I don’t understand why people bash cars that others are trying to sell. If someone is misrepresenting a car I can understand. If someone says I think it is but not sure, they’re being honest. I know F41 suspension was available without SS on other years but not sure about 1970.
I believe that I have an original 73 SS. Anything that I can do to prove it? I was linking of doing a restomode, but I'm on the fence if it is an original SS.
Unfortunately, unless you have the build sheet or original paperwork you can’t prove it. 73 SS cars were decals and badges only. The tail panel would be blacked out.
@@Shop209 Thanks for the verification. I have a 68 with the big block heater core and 12 bolt posi. It has all the ss badging when I bought it but no paperwork. Also it was not sold as a verified ss.
It is quite common for the cowl tag and VIN tag to be different. The VIN always overrides the cowl tag. Your car was a factory 6 cyl car. Thanks for watching.
From my understanding you can do custom order cars from Chevy but you have to do it OEM spec. Example if someone went to a dealership and asked to order a 69 Camaro built to the Exorsist Camaro spec Chevy would build it for them. I'm trying to get a Corvette Humvee hybrid of a GM Cyclone with a TPI 307 and Z Ratio Muncie 4 speed and AWD system out of a Trail Blazer SS. I want it low with all wheel indipendant suspension set up like a WRC Rally car. I told the head ceo of Corvette to think of it like a V8 S-10 version of a Subaru Brat.
He said the same thing when i told him the engine build i actually wanted. Its a 4 bolt VORTEC block with 283 cylinder walls bored for 3.90 lt5 pistons 350 VORTEC heads shaved down 327 valves forged 327 crank Scoggin Dickey TPI conversion FIRST TPI. The cam was ground for me to the 90's 327 lt1 spec. It should gave the computer out of a Pontiac Blackbird with the Denali msd individual coil packs. 6.0 ls injectors and the corvette baffle. I figured out its the only way to spin 10,000rpm with TPI.
If you put an aftermarket tpi system on it with 350 ls1 or 350 tpi injectors fallowed by an x pipe and magnaflow throu x cat back muffler it will spin 7000rpm without nitrous. It will also get about 35 mpg at 55mph.
I have 3 of those. One I have had since 1987. The other two were for repair parts. I finally got one to work but the tape of my band had degraded so much that it sounds bad. The RTR is an AKAI 202D-SS. It is a quad sound. I would sell all 3.
@@Shop209 if u know where the proper vin tags are yeah it is kinda, everyone know about the 1 dash /windhsield but , if u use that vin as ur only i.d u derserve to get taken, learned that lesson when i was 17
Just wondering, not for identifying an ss Nova but just to know. Do ss Novas have the same door panels as the standard Nova. I’ve seen on websites that there are standard and custom door panels. Thanks for your very informative videos!
It's always good to have proper information. I have checked out my 71 Nova to death and it's no special car to some but to me it is as it has some odd things about it that you can see on my channel. Thanks for the update and look forward to your next episode..........
I’ll check it out. My first Nova was a 71. Want to get another someday. Thanks for watching.
I have a 71 307 auto car, 3 rd owner. I like the appearance of the SS badging so I added it after I swapped the all the running gear. I added a 383, M22, & Dana 60. The car has a pretty stock appearance inside, even kept the bench seat when I added the manual. Look at it from the side down low or underneath and you see the major changes. I put the car together for me and plan on keeping it, just makes me happy :-) On a side note to help determine if your car is a SS, I believe the fuel line for a 350 or bigger car is 3/8 where a 307 and smaller is a 5/16. Chances are if it has a factory 5/16 fuel line it is not a SS, Just my .02 take it for what it s worth.
Sounds like a cool car. Yep. Its easier to prove it isn’t an SS than to prove it is.
My 1969 Nova SS is the real deal. It is a L 48. I found the fisher body sheet in the backseat. I now have a documented Nova SS. Original HA block and 041 heads. This car is a M20 4 speed. All interior is original. Bucket seat console car. What a dream.
I worked for Earnest Allen Chevy in Fort Worth and we got a 1969 SS Nova it was Green and was special ordered and had a 427 cid if I remember correctly and stripped it didn’t even have a heater core in it and had rubber floor cover
That was probably a COPO car. Although most were factory 396 cars. It is the same type that were turned into Yenko cars. Ridiculously rare. Like less than 50 made.
I gotta 74 buick apollo with a 72 nova front clip on it with a ls3/4l65e and of course a bolt on SS badge in the grill.......I get soooooooo many compliments on it!! I love it!!
Sounds like a cool car. I’ll be doing an LS swap soon
I just wanted to thank you and the other guy on the internet for spreading this crap about it's not a true ss. All this is doing is just helping to devalue all Nova ss cars just because they don't have the original paperwork to prove it. 52 years ago when I bought my first 1970 Nova ss right off the showroom floor, I never thought there would be guys on the internet accusing people of making an ss because it would be much smarter and cheaper just to buy one that was already built from the factory! . I was one of those guys who didn't pass along the window sticker or bill of sale. I'm as much as an authority on Nova SS as you or the other guys are and I was around when they were being ordered and built either before you were born or were in diapers!
In my opinion you and the other guy are overlooking one obvious indicator that the vehicle is a true ss. Yes, someone could be dumb enough to spend the money adding front and rear ss badging and the console with gauges, and the woodgrain in the door panels on the 1971 and many of the other items that you say they could just buy it and add it on but a true ss would have the v8 engine indicated on the firewall tag but it would also have the factory mounts in the wheel wells for the factory mounted dual exhaust that only came with the high performance 350 and 396 ci engines. There are very few of these cars that the original engine has survived so just because you put a fresher engine that doesn't have matching numbers doesn't change it from a true ss to not a true ss ..........it's just not a numbers matching vehicle!
First, I don’t make the rules. Too many people have tried to pass off fake SS cars over the years. There are verifiable ways to PROVE a SS car. Then there are ways to be wrong about it. I don’t care if you like it or not. Facts are facts. If you can’t prove it with paperwork or the original engine then that’s too bad. They’re not worth much without original engine anyway. The cowl tag never proves a V8 car. The VIN does. It is very common for the cowl tag to show a V8 11427 car but the VIN shows 11327. The VIN is always correct. I’m just sharing correct information. Sorry you don’t understand.
If you're ever in Minot, ND and see a midnight blue metallic 4 door 69 Nova with a 307 and Appliance wheels, that was mine. As a poor Airman, I couldn't afford to put anymore money in it when the transmission started to go. Still think about her because she was my first in 1983.
Just picked up a 1976 Nova for a project car...payed 4K for it needs body work but the engine is in great shape...I’m only 17 btw
Good deal! I like the 75-79 novas also. Probably have a video ok one I. Future. Thanks for watching.
You should make a video on tire and wheel sizes. like biggest size that would fit without rubbing on a stock nova.
Actually I kinda have talked about it. When I did the wheels for FrankenNova. I need to put together a video that only covers that though. Thanks for watching!!
Word. I was planning on 275/60/15 in the rear but because I went with a 5.0 BS instead of 5.25 or 5.5 BS and didn't want to turn my shocks inboard I could only stuff a 255/60/15 in the back. The Nova forums have way too many people second guessing each other or saying, "Well my cousins wife's brother fit such and such" that's it hard to figure out the truth from the bull crap.
18 inch I had on my nova and the rub when I turn to hard to the left or right
Man love my 68 nova SS factory 350 4 speed still have the factory daul exhaust hangers on it factory and black bucket seats but I didn't get the og engine had it 20 years this year lol time flys and u and tell a factory big block nova because of the heater box the heat core hoses r in different place because of the heads r so big
I have a documented SS car. There are things about real SS cars that we don't want the cloners to know about. That way when the rubber hits the road and money changes hands we can spot a fake within a minute or two and save heartache in the long run. Good video for sure.
The exhaust clue is one of them. Speedo cable is another. Depending on trans.
@@Shop209 As you stated, without documentation, the assumption is fakery. I would hate to have the real deal car and not be able to prove it. Thats where the friction comes in. Are the majority of the repop rear SS panels made of plastic ?
I’m not sure, I know of a clone that has some real SS parts on it. It’s not hard to prove it isn’t real since it has a 11327 vin but if someone didn’t know better the money could get real. The real problem is when someone is selling a fake and don’t know it. Then refuse to believe it.
@@Shop209 2nd, 3rd owner or 5 states and 3 years away from the original badge swapper. I think that why this video is valuable so others know what they are looking for. Not sure about you but the best fake I have ever seen wasn't up snuff. The up to snuff ones I didn't know were fake if in fact they were were usually cars I was not given the option to decode/sniff around the teltale ares and such. I'm thinking alot of the higher end SS cars still have their paperwork with them. My favorite silly thing I hear..oh, its got a 11427.. it must an SS 427.. har har har.
Lol. Exactly.
1. Check the VIN 2. Does it have a rear sway bar? 3. Does it have mulitleaf rear springs? 4. Does the brake pedal have the Disc Brake medallion on it? That's what I'd start with anyway.
Those are all clues but also could be ordered without the SS option. Which is what makes it hard to ID a real SS (other than 1972)without paperwork.
This is a good overview of the way too common question for sure. Definitely seems like there are more SS's out there than were originally built. Would like to add one thing, 1968 you could only get the 350 as a L48 in an SS. All other small blocks optioned were 327/307. Suffix Codes for the 350 one 68 Nova's were MN (Automatic and A.I.R.), MS (stick) and MU (automatic).
Not sure if that changed in 69, but 68 350 was an SS only option. Been wanting to do a video like this as well, good job!
Thanks for watching and thanks for the correction. I knew 68 was a tricky year. Do your video. I need to learn more. Lol.
@@Shop209 haha, I have a video of pulling the trans on my 68 on this YT channel. I talked about some of the details but I think doing a 68 alone video may be a good idea! Thanks for that. My 68 is an "SS" but without documentation, so there is that. We may know where the original block is, but been hard to get contact with who may own it.
Cool. I have a friend that has a 1970 with original 12 bolt, it has the exhaust hanger plate on drivers side, it also still has the clips for passenger side speedo cable. With what’s left of a bench seat floor. Probably was an SS. Will never know.
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Thank you!!!
im 15 just got a 72 nova in honestly great shape i pulled a 78 c20 350 and th400 out and i'm working on putting new headers new rpm intake and a adaptor im keeping the quadrajet for gas mileage uses i do have a edelbrock 600 cfm carb but it needs rebuilt. the right quarter panel had a lot of rust and the wheel lip is all broken in on the rear half of it i got a 10 bolt 8.5 looks like it had some heavy modifications i havent taken anything of the axle apart im putting new drum brakes in the back already has a whole new front disc brake system hasn't even put brake fluid in it yet i need to reupholster the seats but i don't trust ill do it correctly i have bench seats and i just need a new driver rear because its all tapped up going into my sophomore year of high school and want to be able to get it running and looking half decent my brother has a 81 camaro and my cousin has a 78 trans am both absolutely gorgeous im painting mine primer black with a matte black finish looks great already finished the front fenders i have another quarter panel i can cut out and do body work but i honestly don't trust i will do it correctly and i've never wielded anything in my life. im in oregon and im working outside in the gravel with no shop and tools laying all over the place already cleaned u the trunk and whole floor pan is all in great shape a lot of bondo work im sanding and painting the whole thing but if i do end up putting the quarter panel in i want it all to look the best its really just the bottom part of the panel next to the back of the wheel well and im going to need all the tips i can get if im gonna do that im on a tight budget all my money and all my work.
Good deal! Sounds like a lot of work but just take your time. There’s lots of info on UA-cam that can help you. Join some nova groups on Facebook. They can help you find parts and help with other stuff too. Thanks for watching!!
@@Shop209 of course! thanks for the response!
Great video
I have an ongoing discussion as to a 1970 Nova owned locally
It has an L78 with L89 heads
And is a glide car
He has a build sheet and the window sticker
Both are rough
But all of my research says GM didn’t put a glide Benin’s a big block
In 1970
I agree. It would have had a 4 speed or a turbo 400. I think you could get a power glide behind a 396 in a 66 chevelle. That was before the Turbo 400.
@@Shop209 block numbers match
We know the heads were done after it was bought
Cowl tag says automatic
Column shift
But as I said the build sheet and window sticker are really bad
I think somewhere down the line someone changed the dash and column
He isn’t trying to say it’s legit
But we do know it’s an SS because the block numbers match
My ‘71 L78 SS Nova is a clone. Knew that from the git go. Still luv it.
That’s all that matters.
I bought a 69 396 nova ss 2 years ago. the front had a build sheet didn't match the trim tag. I was bummed out. After multiple attempts to find another one in the car; I found the correct build sheet matching the trim tag in the upper right corner of the back seat(back rest). to further prove the trim tag is original to a 69 nova is the Fisher body number is stamped in any number of places. should match the trim tag. mi e
How do you find the build sheet I have a 70 nova
I ordered a '70 Nova new from the factory. Not SS, 350 2bbl, positraction, 3speed manual on the floor, bench seat, custom trim inside and outside. AM radio, manual drum brakes and manual steering, no ac. Forest Green, black vinyl interior. 3.07 rear with 2.54 first gear. It would beat Stock SS Nova in the quarter, but they were catching me!
first year for 350 was 1967 i had one Camaro SS 350
Yes but was only available in the Camaro SS350. No other GM cars got the 350 until 68. All 67 350’s were large journal.
I’ve had this argument so many times with people telling me all SS Nova’s were just appearance packages I had to tell them they were wrong that’s why I’m not building mine as a clone just plain ol’ Nova
Yep. I try to find good info so I don’t look stupid. Some people are worried about it apparently. Lol.
I am Chevelle guy, alot of these same arguments are used when it comes to the 69-72 cars.
Yep. People don’t want to hear facts. Lol.
Love the dash pad r&r Help my project! Thanks ,Eric-Do you have any 209 shirt’s or Hoodies?
Very funny but points taken ..love the hillbilly segment..lol
You made it to monetization Congratulations
Thank you!! It took me 9 months.
Shop209 in February I will have been at it for 2 years and haven’t even broke 100 about ready to not care lol just do it film it and go on if I get views I get views if I don’t I don’t
I’m about to do a video on what worked for me and what didn’t. Keep going.
I own a 71 tribute vin is 11427 it is a SS clone. I like it just the same. The real SS is out of my price range.
Like always great info.
I just wish I could afford a Nova
I’m trying to put together a video on getting a 68-72 nova CHEAP. It should be something that could be repeated.
@@Shop209 around my area, Michigan. There all rotted. And most I find are tubbed or just raced to death. My old man has like 6 Nova in all different conditions, he won't part with them
Dang. That stinks. I just bought one for $350. It’s a 69. Not much there but I’m gonna piece it together for cheap.
I’ve been working on a 74 nova hatchback. I find it cool to have because it was rare as well
Yep. I’ve never owned a hatchback. Almost bought a spirit of America car once.
@@Shop209 how much was it?
$800 25 years ago.
@@Shop209 oh geez. Probably upwards of 20k now depending on the condition
It was an all original driver. 6 out of 10. Probably be a $15K car now.
I have a beautiful 72 nova .when I'm at the car show I get 10 times more comments about that awesome bench seat on mine than the ss badges on the one next to me.🤣🤣
I have found that most cars that are touted as SS cars but don't have any SS options, will have an aftermarket LS engine in them so there is no way to prove they are or aren't.
Yep. Most can’t be proved and the owners still insist
know how i know my 73 is a ss it still has factory paint on it but i did get 2 with factory paint but scraped one of them because i only wanted one plus both had gauges on the floor . witch was rare and only the ss models in that year came with gauges on the floor both were hatch backs too with the ss stripes on the side all factory both had 0% rust good clean bodies . got one with a rebuilt 350 engine for 700 and the other one with no engine for 50 bucks and u know how much just the gauges are worth all in good shape working and looking good but i did put a stroked 396 in it with tunnel ram then scraped the other one i going to scrap a 79 z28 because i am building a 79 z28 rs t top car and just want the new interior out of the other one got both for free u should see the 66 gt dart i got for 50 bucks no rust in the car all complete but was missing the distributor but had new tires and wheels still had the tits on them i still have not dun anything with it but sold the wheels and tires for 600 some of the rigs i get for free would blow peoples minds . jun i got a 79 short box cheyenne 4x4 full option truck 400 sb 400 turbo under 35,000 miles on it been parked in a shop it's hole life for free in mint condition just had to clean the carb and put a new fuel pump on it . supper chevy offer 12,000 for it till they found out that it was not restored they wanted me to come back when the boss was there because they were not aloud to go higher but the told me he would really want this .
Just wondering, not for identifying an ss Nova but just to know. Do ss Novas have the same door panels as the standard Nova. I’ve seen on websites that there are standard and custom door panels. Thanks for your very informative videos!
IF the vin has an H in the vin does the H in the vin mean its a SS ?
No. The only year between 68-72 that you can tell SS by vin is 72 and it has to have K as 5th digit.
1975 Nova, second letter in the VIN (Y)is noted as "custom"
Is "custom" an SS?
No. Custom is custom. SS is a different appearance package
To Funny, I Like it!
A 68-74 Nova is my dreamcar. I'm on the edge about to trade or sell my 87 Iroc (Clean and unmolested) to get a Nova. What should I look for when looking for a Nova?
I'll be posting a video on buying a 68-74 soon.
@@Shop209 Sweet! Really looking forward to it! Btw, great video, I feel I learned alot. Subscribed. :)
I could not find my faverate 1969 Nova, so I got a 1976.
I like all years. Sometimes get what you can. At least the 76 was probably cheaper.
Thank just realize my 69 nova was a inline 6. Didn’t know about the vin number.
And my “ss” isn’t a ss because the brakes had drums in the front and the vin too
What about the heater core outlet on a big block they come out in the middle small blocks come out closer to the motor I have a 1969 and they come out in the middle
As I understand it, the SB and BB firewalls are the same. The heater box can be swapped so it could be from another car. After 50+ years it’s hard to verify stuff like that is original. A car can have everything that says it’s a real SS yet there’s no PROOF. Which is really what I was talking about. If you’re paying extra for a Super Sport you want it to be as probable as possible. Ultimately anything can be faked.
I want to clone my 70" nova into a SS . It is now stock 350 engine automatic trans with shifter on the floor console gage delete bucket seats power disk brakes power steering muiti leaf springs all stock, except for intake and headers. "Should I do it"
Sure. It’s your car. Nothing wrong with a tribute or clone. I’m probably going to put some SS badges on one of mine.
I have a 70, and there is one option that ONLY came on SS and was not available on a non SS Nova. Dual exhaust. So behind the tire on the driver side frame rail there is a factory welded tag where the exhaust hanger was mounted. Plus from what I can state from research, ONLY SS Nova's had a fuel return line from fuel pump back to tank. Can you verify this?
The exhaust hanger plate on drivers side is SS only. The fuel line isn’t necessarily.
Where would the build sheet be? Would it be be under the carpet or seats. I have a 71 ss that has a 4 speed bench seat, 350 270 hp, 12 bolt, rear defogger, and power disc brakes. Thanks.
It could be under the rear seat or on top of gas tank. There’s also a body broadcast sheet that could be there. It would have some info but maybe not all.
67 camaro got the 350 first.
Question, if my car (a 1971) had a factory mounted rear sway bar with the F41 suspension package, isn't that a pretty good indicator that it's a real SS? As far as I know from 70-72 that option was available only on SS cars. Does that sound right to you?
Well, maybe. I’ll explain why, with the SS option in 1971 you would get the F40 suspension. The F41 suspension was an option. There were 1370 cars in 71 with F41 option and 15,238 cars with the F40 option. However there were only 7015 Super Sports built in 1971. So clearly there were cars ordered with the F40 and non SS. You’re correct though, from what I know it was an SS only option. Although you should have other indicators. Power discs, VIN needs to start with 11427 not 11327, if engine is original it should be an SS only coded engine. Dual exhaust plate welded to drivers side rear frame rail. There should be a ton of clues. Not just rear sway bar. It just depends on the person you’re trying to convince. If you don’t have original drivetrain it has the value of a non SS even if it’s real. Thanks for watching.
@@Shop209 it definitely doesn't have the original engine, but it does have a 11427 vin, factory power disc brakes, 12 bolt, etc., so there's plenty of indicators. I'm not worried about resale value because I got the car from my father and plan to pass it to my son. Hopefully it stays in the family.
@@M2fiftycal Sounds like an awesome car. Probably is a real SS. My first car was a 71 nova. Maybe one day I'l find it.
@Dennis Burger nice. Hopefully I can keep this one for a long time and pass it to my son some day
I have a couple novas. One 70 project car I had up for sale but was bashed on Facebook by people saying it wasn't a real ss etc. ( I didn't list it as such nor did I care just listed the options it has) It is a 350 4 speed car. I dont have the original engine. Has factory bucket seats, factory dual fuel 3/8 line, both dual exhaust brackets on rear frame rails. 12 bolt, power disc brakes, factory ss hood with the extra support tabs for hood louvers. And as you say here there's no 100 percent way to prove it ( car was priced at 3000 so for all those parts I wasnt trying to get rich) but heres why I feel the car is real is the fact it has the F41 suspension package. It has the Rear sway bar ( pretty small diameter in my opinion) with the factory end link mounts made into into the trunk floor. And a larger front sway bar. Which from all my research I am seeing was only available on the SS models and was rare even then? Do you have any information on that by chance. I removed the car from being for sale because it was causing tons of arguments between the group members on there. The only place I havent looked for a build sheet was above the gas tank but figured thats a stretch. I didn't want to part the car as I felt someone could keep it all together but the hassle with selling was too much for facebook but was thinking about just ebaying it..I'd build it but I have too many as it is.. Thanks for the video.
Thank you for watching. It definitely could be a real SS. I don’t understand why people bash cars that others are trying to sell. If someone is misrepresenting a car I can understand. If someone says I think it is but not sure, they’re being honest. I know F41 suspension was available without SS on other years but not sure about 1970.
@@Shop209 Not on any car before 70 certainly.
Thanks for answering that!
There's 13.09 min I'll never get back!
Thank you for watching all of it.
I believe that I have an original 73 SS. Anything that I can do to prove it? I was linking of doing a restomode, but I'm on the fence if it is an original SS.
Unfortunately, unless you have the build sheet or original paperwork you can’t prove it. 73 SS cars were decals and badges only. The tail panel would be blacked out.
Boy I wish the same type video was done on 61-62 chevy 'bubbletops" 78k vs 6k and then drop 409s to help sell the 62s
SS needs a "K" in the vin
Only in 1972
If I get the # off the engine would you be able to see if it’s a SS motor? It’s a 1971 nova 350
Or you have a Canadian Car. Because you can still get the original documentation 🤟
Yeah. That’s always nice.
Is the heater core different on the big block cars? I understand it dumps out of the firewall closer to the fender on the big blocks.
Yes. It has the outlets farther away from valve cover
@@Shop209 Thanks for the verification. I have a 68 with the big block heater core and 12 bolt posi. It has all the ss badging when I bought it but no paperwork. Also it was not sold as a verified ss.
Your right your no expert a/h
do you have more information about decoding an ss? thanks.
Gm..Do you help individuals on their projects..
I have a 69 nova the cowl has 69. 11427 an vin has 113279 could someone have change cowl tag?
It is quite common for the cowl tag and VIN tag to be different. The VIN always overrides the cowl tag. Your car was a factory 6 cyl car. Thanks for watching.
Shop209 thank you for clearing that up kinda thought that was the case
Is there no Gm historical data to go by Vin?
On cars built in Canada there is info available. Nothing on cars built in US.
In a vin 5 th number has to be a k for a as car
@@paulbowler7775 '72 only.
From my understanding you can do custom order cars from Chevy but you have to do it OEM spec. Example if someone went to a dealership and asked to order a 69 Camaro built to the Exorsist Camaro spec Chevy would build it for them.
I'm trying to get a Corvette Humvee hybrid of a GM Cyclone with a TPI 307 and Z Ratio Muncie 4 speed and AWD system out of a Trail Blazer SS.
I want it low with all wheel indipendant suspension set up like a WRC Rally car.
I told the head ceo of Corvette to think of it like a V8 S-10 version of a Subaru Brat.
That would be a killer combo!!!
He said the same thing when i told him the engine build i actually wanted.
Its a 4 bolt VORTEC block with 283 cylinder walls bored for 3.90 lt5 pistons 350 VORTEC heads shaved down 327 valves forged 327 crank Scoggin Dickey TPI conversion FIRST TPI. The cam was ground for me to the 90's 327 lt1 spec. It should gave the computer out of a Pontiac Blackbird with the Denali msd individual coil packs. 6.0 ls injectors and the corvette baffle. I figured out its the only way to spin 10,000rpm with TPI.
I’m building my 307 with custom pistons h beam rods and a forged crank. Waiting forever for parts at moment.
If you put an aftermarket tpi system on it with 350 ls1 or 350 tpi injectors fallowed by an x pipe and magnaflow throu x cat back muffler it will spin 7000rpm without nitrous. It will also get about 35 mpg at 55mph.
Without the baffle if its a 350hp 327 cam it will hit 360hp
I’m buying a 74 nova SS
I didn't finish. the stamped numbers matched the trim tag further proving the car as a an L78 M20.
Wow!!! That’s awesome.
Do you want to sell that reel to reel tape recorder in the back ground.
I have 3 of those. One I have had since 1987. The other two were for repair parts. I finally got one to work but the tape of my band had degraded so much that it sounds bad. The RTR is an AKAI 202D-SS. It is a quad sound. I would sell all 3.
@@Shop209 the shipping would be high for all 3. I live in sidney ohio 45365
Let me pay y’all to fix my nova 71 S
In the vin
power disc frnt
and just run the f...ing VIN......
If only it was that easy
@@Shop209 if u know where the proper vin tags are yeah it is kinda, everyone know about the 1 dash /windhsield but , if u use that vin as ur only i.d u derserve to get taken, learned that lesson when i was 17
On the 68-74 cars you can’t tell SS by VIN except on 72. Cowl tag tells you nothing about SS from 68-74.
K in the number the 5 th
Only in 1972
hey man nicely done, wanted to ask,,i want to find out more info, all i have is a vin on the car,,were can i go to look up the info on my 73 nova.tks
Go to novaresource.org.
@@Shop209 hey man, Thank you for your response, the info you provided was very helpful,,all the best
Just wondering, not for identifying an ss Nova but just to know. Do ss Novas have the same door panels as the standard Nova. I’ve seen on websites that there are standard and custom door panels. Thanks for your very informative videos!
The SS cars of certain years had different panels and steering wheel