social media is enabling creators of all types to take more control over their career, and can then get better deals with traditional publishers as the companies know there is an established audience
the more I hear, the more it makes me think like: I would rather get shot instead of working directly with a manga publisher or magazine with a set up schedule, while I don't even have my story finished
Look at masashi kishimoto. He listens to the fans and the pressure coming from shueisha and jump and he totally destroyed his ending. Hes not even with it and wanted to distance himself.
My advise : No matter what you love , sometimes in your life that love gives you pain but believe me brothers that pain not gonna feel you forever. by the way I create my own powersystem for my manga today # Love from India brother 😊😊😊
I want to make my own manga so badly that i dont want to ruin it by working at a shitty industry. I will create my own industry in America instead by creating a name for myself and work with other people who i can trust and work well with. Don't give up hope everyone you guys can still make you own manga just be patient and take your time studying more about manga and its industry to get a better idea on what you could possible do in order not to fail.
I've always wanted to make my own comic/manga but as I grew older, everyone around me was against it. So, I'll just write it down to keep it for myself. :' )
At the end of the day, it's you who'll find happiness or regret over your decisions. None of these people are gonna be there if you regret not doing what you love.
I actually was thinking he should start streaming while working on his submission, right? Or would that be more pressure on an artist when there is someone watching how you do stuff?
Thanks for the Super Thanks and sorry for the late reply! I'm still battling through COVID so I opted not to use my devices this past week. I'll keep on working on more videos once I recover!
Good Jim Carry quote! Will remember that one. Thank you. Ah you're right about tv shows with snappy scenes and quippy short quotes switching rapidly to the next scene and back again. Seems most similar to Manga/Comics and their brevity of panels packing in either as much or as little as needed to make the story come alive or captivate the reader. Never thought of that... I think if anyone chooses the path ("blood, sweat and tears") of art (because of passion/vocation), then it does not matter what fans think, it's the artist's choices that are the ultimate arbiter of choice of creation, and that is right and noble. If the fans like or loathe it, it is something to consider as secondary consequence after the former artistic process comes first in the sequence: "How did this art cause that reaction?" Of course, there's always going to be the temptation to find the "next formula for the next big hit!" Eg Shades of Da Vinci Grey Code, you heard it here first... what do fans want more of this time?! But if you're going to ask that question as per the Carry quote, why not instead ask: "What do the fans not know they want next time?" Go for it!
What you said in this video is one of the reasons why I still hesitant to become a writer for full time alongside with the belief from the ones in my family that I cannot make a living out of it. The expectations from the sites that publish webnovels are just too much and if I did not publish a chapter daily, I will be fined. That's what one site told me at least. As for the listening to the fans part, I think this is the complicated matter here. On a number of occasions, the fans can really helped things out. And I did help many authors of the stories I like on many occasions too. Of course, I allowed them to be the ultimate authorities whether or not they will take my ideas. And sometimes, they do. And sometimes, they don't. But like I said before, they are the ultimate authorities because they are the ones who write the stories. So you're right. If the authors have their own stories to tell, the ones that they've been planning in advance for sometime, then just tell the stories without major modifications of the plot is the right option. However, listening to what the fans desired can be the good option as well as long as the possibility of adjusting the ideas they offered is in reach. And that is what I did and still do. I opened up to suggestions and ideas from the peoples who read my stories as forms of formalities while also giving hints there and there about what will to take place in the future time and time again, which also serving as a way to remind me of what direction I am heading as well. By doing so, I feel like I am writing a story alongside those who read my story. And did I receive ideas from the readers? Yes, I did but not often. But will I use them? That is up to what I received and how much possible it is for me to adjust what they offered to me into my story. And do you think that if the manga industry or the other industries related to entertainment and media have their own "Tanzimat Reforms" in order to improve the conditions of the peoples who worked with them or worked for them, do you think they will be happy if their new privileges and new rights came at the costs of losing their old privileges and gaining new obligations? Because that was what happened when the Sultan Abdulmejid I proclaimed the reorganization in all levels of the society, the administration, the economy and the military of the Ottoman Empire. Some changes are welcomed by non-Muslims such as the fact that all citizens of the Empire will be equal regardless of faiths but some were definitely not such the obligation to serve in the military. Not to mention that some elites among the Muslims such as the ulama were not happy with the proclamation of equality regardless of faiths as well. The point is that even if the manga industry or some other industries related to the media and entertainment insitituted their own "Tanzimat Reforms", there will be major opposition from those who are part of the higher-ups and some peoples down below are not going to be happy about trading one right for another right. I brought this up because no matter what industries and when the time period is, appeasing everyone is impossible.
Not listening to the fans... I feel like for specific ideas you have, not changing them for the fans is one thing, but ignoring fans is what has killed the western comic industry. Some things like fan favorite characters you didnt expect to be so popular getting more airtime, rethinking pacing if fans are getting bored. Some changes have been pretty devastating. I recall AoT was supposed to go much differently at the end, and I believe Death Note as well. But... Famously Toriyama's whole Cell Saga was the editor complaining about the villains which is how we got 17 and 18, and then all the forms of Cell. Perhaps the Goku-centric focussing when it seemed like he kept pushing for more Gohan was another one of the editor meddling, but I think it's all went well for the most part. I have quit numerous stories because the pacing got so bad, and it didn't seem like anything was happening. There's a fine line between compromising on your vision, and giving fans what they want.
Considering the opinions of fans definitely has it's place, hence why I think the mangaka said it was "overrated", not to never listen to them. Your own vision should always be the heart of the story; selectively listening to the opinions of fans can sometimes serve as small course-corrections, but if you aren't careful it could entirely derail the story. No one knows the story as well as the creator, in my opinion.
You are absolutely right. You need to keep a balance, listening to good advice so that the story improves, but at the same time you do not lose yourself as an author.
These videos are helpful. They allow you to carefully consider everything and not make rash mistakes. Thank you. After all videos like this, I realized for myself that I never want to get into the professional manga industry. I'd rather try developing a Patreon or something while also having a non-manga or comic book job.
i have a story and i think the concept IS something different from the rest but i'm honestly soo afraid to start becoz idk how the story might be perceived TwT
Dude 5000 yen is like... a half salary of an already poorly paid jobs here. Its bizzare to see how cheap things looking in Japan while sometimes also how expensive living can be in Japan its like sometimes you kind of financially enthusiast sometimes financially anxious after seeing how it cost to just live there.
I don't think that was the mangaka's message. The moral is just that even if you become a serialized professional (the dream of all aspiring comic artists), there are still a lot of hardships and problems with the industry.
@@thenew4559 A famous mangaka Tsutomu Nihei complained about the same issues: constant overwork, not paid enough, editors forcing him to change stuff, also got humiliated because he didn't know what oppai is(boobs), he probably has depression, and his story about putting clock into refrigerator is super sad. I don't know about you guys, but that shit's not worth it. And he's like 52 I believe. Of course we're young and don't want to be super negative about things we're actually enthusiastic about but that's just the reality if it.
@@qwerty975 I think it ultimately comes down to how much you are willing to tolerate, and how driven you are to pursue your dreams in spite of any hardships. As said in the video though, it also depends on your own people skills and ability to negotiate with the editors, as well as your sheer luck with which editor you get stuck with. Not all act like the slave-masters he describes, I’m sure.
Good editors should help authors question all the available options that might help the stories be better, which could include the voices from fans, so the authors could make the best well informed decisions without having to feel any regrets. Editors who force authors to accept theirs opinions are not good editors period.
That's not words of wisdom, that just insulting your consumers. Life is not meant to be easy and work is not meant to be an easy breeze. I think the Mangaka is venting his overwork frustrations on his own fans. Everything else I do think he was being genuine. (knowing who your real fans are is important)
social media is enabling creators of all types to take more control over their career, and can then get better deals with traditional publishers as the companies know there is an established audience
Passion tax… same with performing artists and illustrators. “Do this for free or for less because it’s your passion, right?”
I think we all needed to hear this
the more I hear, the more it makes me think like: I would rather get shot instead of working directly with a manga publisher or magazine with a set up schedule, while I don't even have my story finished
Look at masashi kishimoto. He listens to the fans and the pressure coming from shueisha and jump and he totally destroyed his ending. Hes not even with it and wanted to distance himself.
Fuck the algorithm just keep uploading don't even sweat over that shit I love your content!
He will burnout if he mindlessly keeps doing that. The new algorithm is designed to drain creators with minimal return of investment.
My advise : No matter what you love , sometimes in your life that love gives you pain but believe me brothers that pain not gonna feel you forever. by the way I create my own powersystem for my manga today # Love from India brother 😊😊😊
I want to make my own manga so badly that i dont want to ruin it by working at a shitty industry. I will create my own industry in America instead by creating a name for myself and work with other people who i can trust and work well with. Don't give up hope everyone you guys can still make you own manga just be patient and take your time studying more about manga and its industry to get a better idea on what you could possible do in order not to fail.
I've always wanted to make my own comic/manga but as I grew older, everyone around me was against it. So, I'll just write it down to keep it for myself. :' )
Write it down and use a pen name. 👍
Why are you living your life based on other peoples opinion? Give it 100% like Kusanagi is doing.
Doing my own manga but haven't started posting
At the end of the day, it's you who'll find happiness or regret over your decisions. None of these people are gonna be there if you regret not doing what you love.
New shoe fund!
Keep up the great work - you're a natural on camera, start streaming brother!
I actually was thinking he should start streaming while working on his submission, right? Or would that be more pressure on an artist when there is someone watching how you do stuff?
@@ravincethat will be a distraction
Thanks for the Super Thanks and sorry for the late reply! I'm still battling through COVID so I opted not to use my devices this past week. I'll keep on working on more videos once I recover!
I love these videos man I've been watching since the first like a lot of other people they remind me of old UA-cam
Good Jim Carry quote! Will remember that one. Thank you.
Ah you're right about tv shows with snappy scenes and quippy short quotes switching rapidly to the next scene and back again. Seems most similar to Manga/Comics and their brevity of panels packing in either as much or as little as needed to make the story come alive or captivate the reader. Never thought of that...
I think if anyone chooses the path ("blood, sweat and tears") of art (because of passion/vocation), then it does not matter what fans think, it's the artist's choices that are the ultimate arbiter of choice of creation, and that is right and noble. If the fans like or loathe it, it is something to consider as secondary consequence after the former artistic process comes first in the sequence: "How did this art cause that reaction?"
Of course, there's always going to be the temptation to find the "next formula for the next big hit!" Eg Shades of Da Vinci Grey Code, you heard it here first... what do fans want more of this time?! But if you're going to ask that question as per the Carry quote, why not instead ask: "What do the fans not know they want next time?" Go for it!
What you said in this video is one of the reasons why I still hesitant to become a writer for full time alongside with the belief from the ones in my family that I cannot make a living out of it. The expectations from the sites that publish webnovels are just too much and if I did not publish a chapter daily, I will be fined. That's what one site told me at least.
As for the listening to the fans part, I think this is the complicated matter here. On a number of occasions, the fans can really helped things out. And I did help many authors of the stories I like on many occasions too. Of course, I allowed them to be the ultimate authorities whether or not they will take my ideas. And sometimes, they do. And sometimes, they don't. But like I said before, they are the ultimate authorities because they are the ones who write the stories. So you're right. If the authors have their own stories to tell, the ones that they've been planning in advance for sometime, then just tell the stories without major modifications of the plot is the right option. However, listening to what the fans desired can be the good option as well as long as the possibility of adjusting the ideas they offered is in reach. And that is what I did and still do. I opened up to suggestions and ideas from the peoples who read my stories as forms of formalities while also giving hints there and there about what will to take place in the future time and time again, which also serving as a way to remind me of what direction I am heading as well. By doing so, I feel like I am writing a story alongside those who read my story. And did I receive ideas from the readers? Yes, I did but not often. But will I use them? That is up to what I received and how much possible it is for me to adjust what they offered to me into my story.
And do you think that if the manga industry or the other industries related to entertainment and media have their own "Tanzimat Reforms" in order to improve the conditions of the peoples who worked with them or worked for them, do you think they will be happy if their new privileges and new rights came at the costs of losing their old privileges and gaining new obligations? Because that was what happened when the Sultan Abdulmejid I proclaimed the reorganization in all levels of the society, the administration, the economy and the military of the Ottoman Empire. Some changes are welcomed by non-Muslims such as the fact that all citizens of the Empire will be equal regardless of faiths but some were definitely not such the obligation to serve in the military. Not to mention that some elites among the Muslims such as the ulama were not happy with the proclamation of equality regardless of faiths as well. The point is that even if the manga industry or some other industries related to the media and entertainment insitituted their own "Tanzimat Reforms", there will be major opposition from those who are part of the higher-ups and some peoples down below are not going to be happy about trading one right for another right. I brought this up because no matter what industries and when the time period is, appeasing everyone is impossible.
Your videos are so quality and I’m happy to hear pressing issues in the manga industry
Love ur vids! Can u maybe make a vid in the future about ur process of making manga?
video starts at 4:32
man I missed out on so many videos! I haven't been getting them in my feed, sorry bout that!
Not listening to the fans... I feel like for specific ideas you have, not changing them for the fans is one thing, but ignoring fans is what has killed the western comic industry. Some things like fan favorite characters you didnt expect to be so popular getting more airtime, rethinking pacing if fans are getting bored. Some changes have been pretty devastating. I recall AoT was supposed to go much differently at the end, and I believe Death Note as well. But...
Famously Toriyama's whole Cell Saga was the editor complaining about the villains which is how we got 17 and 18, and then all the forms of Cell. Perhaps the Goku-centric focussing when it seemed like he kept pushing for more Gohan was another one of the editor meddling, but I think it's all went well for the most part.
I have quit numerous stories because the pacing got so bad, and it didn't seem like anything was happening.
There's a fine line between compromising on your vision, and giving fans what they want.
Considering the opinions of fans definitely has it's place, hence why I think the mangaka said it was "overrated", not to never listen to them. Your own vision should always be the heart of the story; selectively listening to the opinions of fans can sometimes serve as small course-corrections, but if you aren't careful it could entirely derail the story. No one knows the story as well as the creator, in my opinion.
You are absolutely right. You need to keep a balance, listening to good advice so that the story improves, but at the same time you do not lose yourself as an author.
Loving it, mate! Your stuff is quality! :)
These videos are helpful. They allow you to carefully consider everything and not make rash mistakes. Thank you.
After all videos like this, I realized for myself that I never want to get into the professional manga industry. I'd rather try developing a Patreon or something while also having a non-manga or comic book job.
Love ur content!!!! Still here from day one🫡✨
really starting to love these videos
We needed to hear this (just binging ur videos rn btw )
i have a story and i think the concept IS something different from the rest but i'm honestly soo afraid to start becoz idk how the story might be perceived TwT
Go ahead and do it. Chances are, there are a number of people who will like it too. We will never know until we try
It’s better just tackle it and do it. You want to be years older wondering what if I actually did this story when I was younger.
thanks guys :)) will hopefully start working on it after this semester
There's an audience for everything.
"Sole-less bastard"... That's very...
i get a feeling in IT, gaming industry is havely under passion tax.
40 seconds into the Video and I'm already laughing 😂 KFC bucket. Man I love your humor!
nice vid bro
Hey bro. I just discovered you, and I very much appreciate your drive and passion. Are you going to post any new videos?
i kinda think, the mangaka kusanagi talk to is Kohei Horikoshi (MHA Author) ... it just my guess
Lets gooo
cool intro, just the mic is off
You should change buy me a coffee to buy me a pair of shoes!
Dude 5000 yen is like... a half salary of an already poorly paid jobs here.
Its bizzare to see how cheap things looking in Japan while sometimes also how expensive living can be in Japan its like sometimes you kind of financially enthusiast sometimes financially anxious after seeing how it cost to just live there.
Moral of the story: Entertainment industry isn't worth it
Or for some, maybe says, temper your expectations 😅
I don't think that was the mangaka's message. The moral is just that even if you become a serialized professional (the dream of all aspiring comic artists), there are still a lot of hardships and problems with the industry.
@@thenew4559 A famous mangaka Tsutomu Nihei complained about the same issues: constant overwork, not paid enough, editors forcing him to change stuff, also got humiliated because he didn't know what oppai is(boobs), he probably has depression, and his story about putting clock into refrigerator is super sad. I don't know about you guys, but that shit's not worth it. And he's like 52 I believe. Of course we're young and don't want to be super negative about things we're actually enthusiastic about but that's just the reality if it.
@@qwerty975 I think it ultimately comes down to how much you are willing to tolerate, and how driven you are to pursue your dreams in spite of any hardships.
As said in the video though, it also depends on your own people skills and ability to negotiate with the editors, as well as your sheer luck with which editor you get stuck with. Not all act like the slave-masters he describes, I’m sure.
Good editors should help authors question all the available options that might help the stories be better, which could include the voices from fans, so the authors could make the best well informed decisions without having to feel any regrets. Editors who force authors to accept theirs opinions are not good editors period.
That's not how it works stupid western thinking
1st one has to be gege
Yo
Buy a new pair of shoes. Walking around without a sole is painful as heck
Especially on hot pavement.
Sixth
First?
That's not words of wisdom, that just insulting your consumers.
Life is not meant to be easy and work is not meant to be an easy breeze.
I think the Mangaka is venting his overwork frustrations on his own fans.
Everything else I do think he was being genuine. (knowing who your real fans are is important)
bro learn to get to the point .. dont got all day. less cuts bro