When first reading the books, I had so much disdain for the career districts because they viewed it as an “honor” and were so eager to compete. Obviously, we are meant to feel this way, as they’re antagonists for a reason. But thinking about it now, the existence of the careers is more of a slap in the face to the capitol than anything. Those districts would NEVER be caught off guard in terms of having the youngest, most innocent children reaped. The whole point of the Hunger Games was to keep the people weak, oppressed, and living in complete fear. However, the career districts refused to be victims. They trained a group of young people to survive at all costs and to sacrifice themselves. Yes, they were ruthless in the arena, but (as per the entire point of the games) only one person could survive anyway, and the careers ALWAYS had the best chance at winning. In the career districts, the people and their children could live in peace knowing that even if their child was reaped, a career would volunteer to take their place.
The career districts were still victims. Out of three districts yielding 6 participants, only one would win. And not even all the time. It shows how these districts were brainwashed into blind self-sacrifice, sacrificing "self" for the good of the Capitol, and seeing the oppression of other districts as their highest calling. A deep perversion of what the gift of life is actually intended for. A bit like how the SS and the Russian army are brainwashed into giving their lives or visiting destruction on a whim of the dictator.
I know Cinna is a fan favorite but I never hear people talk about just how instrumental his designs were in the entire uprising. He started it all with the flaming chariot and his final act of the Mockingjay dress was one of the biggest pieces to getting people to rebel
I heard a fan theory that he actually was from one of the outlying districts. Logistically speaking, he'd probably be from 11 or 12, and the theory I heard from actually said he did come from 12, hence his preference for simpler, plainer, and darker styles for himself as opossed to the lavish and borderline ABSURD clothes of the Capitol (the plain black clothes trimmed with gold and his simple gold eyeliner).
@@HHLucifer666 does the fan theory explain how he ended up a capitol citizen? Cause that didn't happen at this point, people weren't allowed to move from district to district, much less district to capitol
@@kittyunderwood8918probably like how Sejanus landed in Capitol despite being from District 2 originally, probably they lived in the Merchant Area where they can gather clothes in the black market
@@vladixice maybe, but I doubt it. Snow wasn't in a position of power when Sejanus came to the capitol, but he was absolutely disgusted that it was allowed. As soon as he came into power, he would probably not allow that anymore. On top of that, the capitol was in bad shape from the war still when the Plinths moved to the capitol, and they were able to throw their money around to secure that move. The capitol isn't in bad shape anymore tho, so they don't need someone rich from the districts to pay for repairs now
I love reading the lore but can we stop a minute to appreciate this guy to detail all the important parts, don't include ads, don't add sponsorship, and have timestamps so viewers can skip some parts? It's like a wonderful podcast while doing study works
The one thing I wish they had kept from the book was how messed up Peeta and Katniss were at the end of 74. In the book she sees her reflection and is stunned by how wild she looks; how emaciated and out of control she looks. And that Peeta looses a whole leg in the process!
Doesn't Katniss also go deaf in an ear because of being so close to the exploding pile of food? I know in the movie they added the ringing effect and had her be stunned momentarily, but I remember in the books she was properly deaf for the rest of the games and then had a hearing aid or something for Catching Fire when Peeta got his prosthetic leg 🤔
@@ColorSolutionshe got her ear repaired by the capital and she lied about being able to hear the forcefield in the sequel because she had prior knowledge on how to see it
After 75 as well she says she is scarred and has bald spots from the acid, plus a gaping hole in her arm from where Johanna wripped out her tracker and in 13 they don't have access to full body polishes or whatever so she is just fugly! They kidnap her prep team and keep them held hostage chained up for her when she agrees to be the mockingjay but they can't work miracles and they are appalled at the state of her!
for the rules “arbitrarily changing” at 42:42 , its important to remember that the games are designed as a reality show for the capitol, and peeta and katniss are the “star crossed lovers” so they allowed them a false hope of two victors and then took it away to stay in accordance with the rules and for dramatic effect. it was an intentional choice.
I think its kind of interesting how because the tributes from districts 1, 2 and 4 are almost always volunteers, people in those districts are basically saved from having to worry all year about being picked since whoever does get picked would immediately be replaced with someone who wants to go into the games anyway. This really does make their lives significantly less horrible then the lives of people in the other districts
I think the volunteers would say they wanted to be tributes before anyone is even pick, it expedites the whole process because they would get asked at the end anyway so they might as well get it over with before the draw if you know what I mean.
@@deancalder8799 Yeah, I think the point is that whoever voulenteers in those districts is something that's decided ahead of time. In a way, they're being heroic since they're saving the lives of whoever actually gets selected
I'm not big on Hunger game lore but aren't 1 and 2 the district where all sorts of expansive luxury s**t is being made and 4 where most of their guards came from?
@@OnionChoppingNinja Yeah, that's right. And they establish in the first book that the people in those districts don't have it great but they're less starving and impoverished then people from the other districts
@@OnionChoppingNinja 1 is luxury shit, 2 is military and weapon industry and 4 is fishing. So really only 1&2 have significantly higher status than the other districts, 4 mostly gets better off because they have a great Capitol-independent food source. They do provide career tributes according to the books, but I don't think they necessarily have a training program set up, they just usually well fed and strong because they start to work on the fishing boats as kids. I'm also not sure if volunteering is that common there, at least no victors we personally know from that district was a volunteer. It is unlikely Mags volunteered on her first games as it was only the 11th and Career tributes weren't really a thing, Finnick had more survival instinct than to volunteer at the ripe age of 14 and Annie really wasn't cut out for the games and only won by a fluke (and Finnick probably pulling a bunch of favors).
11:06 you see, I actually found the bread more touching, since such a point was made of what a sacrifice it was for that District to send Katniss bread. I read that through tears and have always felt that it was a perfect quietly generous thank you that perfectly matched the gentle care Katniss took of the dying and later deceased Rue. The riots in the movie seemed to be more focused on rage over what happened to Rue. But the possibility - even probability, since Rue was so young & small - of Rue’s death should have been anticipated. The people probably would have even been resigned to it. Katniss’s actions could not have been anticipated however, and her unlooked-for kindness stood in stark contrast to the bloody horror of the Games. The bread signified gratitude toward Katniss and was the first substantial sign of her growing popularity and her ability to win hearts. Rue’s District’s act of kindness meant to match Katniss’s should have been a warning to Snow of how dangerous Katniss could become, but because it was a whisper of gratitude instead of a roar of rage, it was missed. So I’m probably a minority in this, but I’ve always much preferred Rue’s death scene and its aftermath as the book presented it. It just seems more fitting.
Exactly what i thought. I still think that both these scenes were extremely well done. Movies just generally have to be more dramatic because unlike words, all we get to see are physical expressions.
Agreed. I get why they did that in the Movie - it was a very subtle point that would likely be lost on the majority of the audience - but the book's response was so much better.
Its actually a clever move on Dr. Gaul's part to tell everyone that Highbottom came up with the idea of the hunger games rather than stealing the glory herself That way Highbottom would be viewed as the most hated man in panem instead of her Even though Highbottom conceptualized the idea for the Hunger Games Dr. Gaul was the one who brought them to life so in actuality she is the creator of the hunger games and was even directly responsible for the first 10 games
Now I'm wondering who mentored Haymitch and all the tributes before him in district 12, since Lucy Gray was the only other D12 victor in the history of the Games, and she practically vanished
@nahicorua They were probably given a capitol mentor like in the tenth games. The other districts probably had capitol mentors too until they had their own victors
But there is 25 games from Quarter quell 2 all the way to quarter 3 so if he started mentoring in 51 than 46 would have failed, like imagine if haymitch died before Katniss and pleeta showed up, they likely would have died or at least Peeta cuz that kid just did everything in his power to fucking die especially when him and Katniss is together. My point is if Haymitch was actually a good tribute and didn't win by luck yet he couldn't mentor a single winning tribute before Katniss than how the hell are we supposed to believe that a district like fucking 3 or 8, 7, 6 etc etc where there main industries weren't even fucking physical, they grow up in a concrete covered industrialism were the only plants were nuclear, some how manged to rake up 3 victors as well!?!!?!? District 12 was at least in a wilderness adjacent land, but 3?? If he wasn't I genius I would question why bettie latier even knew what a Mockingjay is😂😂
@layth6857 it's not that crazy when you think that not only is 12 the poorest District, but people from 12 also aren't allowed in the mines until they turn 18 and are likely too old for the Games. Most of the Tributes from 12 are likely scrawny, sickly and malnourished.
i think it comes down to the fact that they don’t want the lower districts to win, which is why they also turn a blind eye to the career districts training. it looks better and plays out better for the capital if the winners are predominantly from an ally district, like 1 or 2 compared to the outlier districts like 11 and 12 where riots and rebellion is more likely to start out
Because if a non-capitol leaning district (basically any district except 1, 2 & sometimes 4) children who learn to use weapons can then turn those weapons on the capitol itself. One or two victors in each outlying district would not be able to over throw the government but 100-200 who trained their whole adolescence to fight to the death, that’s dangerous.
It was technically illegal, but there was training facilities in districts, 1,2 and 4 making the children that came from these districts, able to wheeled weapons expertly, even if it wasn’t something to have to do with their industry in their individual district meaning someone from district 2 would be able to wield some like a trident which is something that someone from district 4 would be able to wield
the "official" reason is so that no district has an advantage over another. But, as others have said, they don't actually want the outer districts to win, so they turn a blind eye to the career districts training their kids. Katniss also mentions in the books, that most other districts' trades can also help kids prepare for the games, like being able to use specific weapons like Joanna with her axe or Thresh with the scythe or whatever he had, or for characters like Rue who was a great climber, or even Foxface who comes from a "smarter" district. However, district 12 was the coal mining district, and they weren't allowed to become coal miners until they were 18, which is also the last year they can be called for the games. So kids in district 12 don't get the strength that comes from doing hard labor daily like some of the other districts, they're also the poorest district so they have the most starving people/kids. Peeta had strength because he worked at the bakery moving sacks of flour around. Katniss was unique in her district because her dad wasn't afraid of crossing the barrier like everyone else, and taught her not to be afraid and taught her how to survive. Like in the second book, most of the tributes don't actually know how to swim, because only one or maybe two districts actually had access to large bodies of water. Katniss could swim because her dad had taken her to a lake and taught her. And with the spile, her dad had taught her how to get tree sap and make syrup. In the books, it took like 12 hours for her to figure out what that was because it'd been so long, not the few seconds they showed in the movie to save time. Technically, her showing these skills also were proof that she had done illegal things in 12, but at this point they didn't care because at this point it was just part of the show
mags would’ve remembered lucy gray since it was the year before she was reaped, and being from district four, would most likely have watched her games. mags was the first victor to live the “life of luxury” they showered the victors in after the 10th. i think she would’ve told katniss of lucy gray, if she had the ability to do so.
@@sunstarburstz district 4 (mags’ district) is a career, which is always favoured by the capitol. they had more power, food, and water. the 10th was the first super big games with stakes, people placed bets and had favourites, so she likely would’ve watched. even if she didn’t, a girl from district 12 winning was a big thing, everyone knew about it.
Actually so many people didn't. in the books, the residents of 12 and the peacekeepers dont even know about the games. The people of 12 know lucy gray won when she comes back but that is really it. even the people from 2 ( snows fellow peacekeepers ) had know idea who Snow was or that he had anything to do with the Hunger Games. they didnt even know lucy gray was the victor.@@bellamay3741 so, there is a huge possiblity mags doesnt know who lucy gray is.
I distinctly remember that 1 Hunger Game was so cold that all the Tributes died after half an hour. As a result, future arenas made sure to keep a livable climate so the kids can still starve and die of infection but at least the slow death is more interesting for viewers
They didnt die THAT quickly but it was also a barren tundra so nowhere for anyone to hide from each other so between no cover and the freezing tundra it was a boring one that ended quickly
You didn’t even mention the worst part of the mutts from the 74th like the hounds weren’t just what you described. Katniss described looking into the eyes of one of them and it was literally the eyes of the tribute. (Forgive me for forgetting which tribute it was, it has been a decade since I last read the books)
@@uhohstinky5850 the mutts were wolf-like things with the same eyes as the fallen tributes (like human eyes, which is super creepy) and their fur was coloured in accordance to the tributes hair colour, so along with the number tags on the collars, katniss could tell who the mutts were
I've seen a video of 1 to 75 where they show the arena and whatever information they have of it. I'm not sure if all of it is legit or just fan made but it really ads to the imagination. They could definitely use it to start a series lol
It’s called tales of the hunger games and its fan made, but a great time! He matches up details the original hunger games books gave (fairly sure they were made before tbosas) and goes after 75th as well!
You mentioned in the video, that Plutarch changed the letter for the 3rd Quarter Quell because he was Head Gamemaker and planned for Katniss to be in the 75th Hunger Games. This was a movie only decision. In the books during the celebration at the end of the Victory Tour he hints at the clock design of the arena for the 75th Games, but he expected Katniss to be a mentor and not a participant. If he had burned the original twist and exchanged it with his own twist, why would he think she'd be a mentor? There was no other possible female tribute for the Quarter Quell that way.
theres a big headcanon that it was snow who had the twist changed specifically to target katniss because she was inciting rebellion -- the only way she wouldn't become a martyr for the rebellion and they would lose hope if she died in the games (which was very likely with the other victors, and if it hadn't been for the rebel alliance, she would have) i still think plutarch hinting at the watch would still work even if plutarch was the one to change the letter because he was still hinting at how katniss could survive the game -- the rebellion was resting on the idea that the alliance could survive long enough and come together to keep katniss alive until they could get her/everyone out of the arena so it still makes sense. personally, i think plutarch was ordered by snow to change the twist and plutarch, knowing what it was, planned around it for the rebellion.
I always assumed that snow was the one who ordered the twist to be changed. No one could prove it or stop him, and it was a good way to crush the mockingjay before she could cause any more problems
The ballad of songs and snakes was the book that creeped me out. Having a partner that betrays me in such a deep way has been one of my biggest fears ever.
Honestly we could keep this series going for decades. It gets a lotta crap but it's truly one of the best post apocalyptic YA books and there's a wide field to choose from in that seeming niche.
@@CLaraFTMFW Actually, it's not your story, so what _you think_ should've happened doesn't matter. To anyone. Anywhere. Not in any timeline or alternate plane of reality, nor in this one.
@@Atmatan lol, well you sound like a douche of the highest caliber. Luckily no one cares about your opinion on the status of any YA novels. I am so glad that though there are "safe spaces" on this earth, you will still have to endure the contradicting opinions of others, cause in no other dimension, time, space, era, or realm will you ever simply able to post on public forum and be free of any response. No amount of gluten free yogurt will ever save your soy obese ass from that reality. Stay safe out there.
I didn't even notice all the pre-planned Quarter Quell boxes in the movie. In Catching Fire, you get the gist that Katniss believes the Quarter Quell rules may be pre-written but that Snow cheated and changed it to send her back. But after reading the prequel, it seems there is NO way the quarter quell rules were written during the conception of the HG. That must be another game enhancing feature that got added sometime after the 10th games to up the ante. The evolution of the games is SO interesting and vile.
do we know when the 'zoo pen' treatment stopped, and when the full glamour that we see in the main trilogy comes in? because we know that mags was the first victor to have a victory tour so id imagine they scrapped the zoo thing that year or a year or so after that -- i cant imagine it would take to long to add more spectacle to the games, especially after the 10th
@@yellowhouse4911 One tribute (the male one from 12) got bitten by a raccoon and contracted rabies, which he then infected another tribute with. Probably they stopped after that.
At 10:55 you mention you liked the riot scene in the books versus the bread in the movies, but I’m sure they both happened in the book in movie. It’s just that in the book, we can only follow Katniss’ POV so she wouldn’t know about the rioting in district 11. Also, a lot of the war happens behind the scenes in the book. Which is why the movie has so much to present to us that isn’t Katniss
Honestly, I had forgotten how much I used to love young adult novels. Some concepts are really interesting! Hunger games used to be one of my favorite books!
@@TheAireaidLord OP probably grew out of the genre, or they got bored of the genre due to the saturation of YA books that followed suit after Hunger Games' success on the big screen.
I'm surprised you didn't say more about the collection of bodies during the later hunger games, as compared to the 10th. The decision to collect the bodies was probably motivated by the stunt that Sejanus pulled off, or the thing where that one tribute pulled down the flag to honour the fallen.
no, they were collecting bodies because one tribute started eating the bodies of the dead, and the audience at the Capitol didn't like it because it was "unethical"
They described it in the first book that one tribute went mad and started eating the corpses and it wasn't that long ago, because, if I'm not mistaken, Katniss had personal recollection of that game.
The 75th hunger games was actually planned without the knowledge of the twist and was only manipulated by the game makers after the "reading of the card". So when this announcement was made Plutarch and the rest of the rebels working in the capital to devise a plan to get the tributes out (source end of book 2). However with the construction of the arena finnick was chosen by Snow to win the games because he was the most cooperative victor (source Theory) Plutarch also put katniss's bow, finnick's trident and beete's wire in the pool of the cornucopia to help them survive the longest so the rebels had more time to plan for the breakout of the victors. (sorry ive read the books about 250000 times)
Love this video!!!! also the decision to change the rules during the 74th games was to maintain Katniss and Peeter's relationship and to enhance the games for the viewers in the capital. So when Claudius announces there can only be 1 winner, it was actually planned for the suspense of the games. Katniss figures this out however, and in defiance of game makers she proposed the idea to Peeter to eat the berries. Also throughout the first book Katniss repeatedly states that there aren't really any rules to the games that only the tributes are to not step off their platform before the end of the 60 second count and to not eat another tribute. It is also speculated that the tributes weren't retrieved mid games until one of the tributes began to eat his victims. Again bloody love this video!!!!
No you're wrong. The decision to add victors as tributes was added by snow because the districts were rebelling. Plutarch had no idea the victors would be tributes again. He shows katniss the watch when she was in snow's mansion because he thought she was going to be a mentor. Plutarch says so in the third book
@@josephperin7981when Claudius announced there can only be one winner it wasn't for suspense, it was the rule and it couldn't be changed. Katniss outsmarted them because she figured out they have to let one of them win, hence the berries
@@papillondumonde7887Sure they were cooperative but they definitely weren’t as popular a choice as Finnick was. If the capital had to chose between them it would be Finnick.
16:18 On katniss knowing peeta's talent, she not only knows that peta is very strong, but their school had a wrestlers and peeta was a good and strong wrestler. and he was the runt of the family, i can't imagine how strong his brother's must've been.
@@clover2739 oh clarify, i think katniss said something more along the lines that Peeta was the smaller or younger of his brothers. one wasn't of reaping age. their district has a wrestling competition, peeta won second place beaten only by his big brother.
11:14 in the ballad of songbirds and snakes, snow came up with the stipulation that ppl related to the games can’t bet bcs he couldn’t afford to send gifts and he didn’t want to be shown up or have his status questioned, so it’s all about himself again🙄
Why would setting up bets help in with being poor? He'd have to know before hand who'd win for him to profit from that unless you meant he gets a tax from every bet made, I also don't think he cared about helping the people of the districts win money it was more about making them more entertaining because you had something in the games to watch for, you watch football or other sports if you've put a bet on a team otherwise you don't really mind if you don't support a team, the only people with anything in the games are the family & friends if there were no bets.
@@deancalder8799 I was more coming from the excerpt in the book where he says “no one involved with the games can place bets”to avoid showing people that the Snow family didn’t have money.
Fun fact: uhh like the year after Cashmere won the games, her arena actually had an active volcano and it erupted mid way through her games, and also there were giant bears-
Rue's district sending Katniss Bread is devastating and beautiful. Them showing Katniss they're not mad at her but rather grateful for what she did for Prim. The bread acting as a symbol for "you need to survive". When Katniss mentions that the bread was crudely made and it must've cost a fortune for district 11 people to send it, I was sobbing like a baby. It shows that the revolution sparked with Kindness and love - Katniss volunteering for Prim, Katniss trying to save Rue and district 11 recognising Katniss is also a child and they're grateful for her showing her humanity, something that had been beaten out of the districts by years of oppression and survival. It's such a beautiful message.
10:54 the books are solely from Katniss point of view so the lashing out so uproar in district 11 could have still happened. but Katniss would have only known about the bread
There is one thing that I always think about when I see or read the scenes in which Katniss is getting ready to hop on the platform to be elevated into the arena. I know it's a very small detail, so I am not mad that it is not taken into account by neither the books nor the films, but all the tribues with long hair are prepared for the arena with their hair braided or at least put up in a ponytail. That means those tributes have hairties with them. The audience is explained that even just a simple piece of string can make the difference between life and death. Of course we don't know for sure whether the hairties are elastics, but I am pretty damn sure they can be of excellent use for a makeshift slingshot or just any weapon that the tributes can come up with. It's a minor detail but it gives the tributes (girls mostly, I guess :D) an advantage. I'm sure within 75 years someone must have come up with the idea to use their hairtie and that kind of makes me wonder why the capitol hasn't done anything about it (I know it's because it's just a minor detail for the books, so Suzanne Collins probably just didn't think of it, but in a canon way the capitol just doesn't care I guess).
its not entirely unplausible that no one would have tried to use a hairband within the 75 years of the games cause hairties arent that resilent and most arent stretchy enough to be all that helpful, they'd all likely snap (i doubt the capitol would give them anything super durable). also, having your hair down would be more of a disadvantage than the hairband could have been an advantage -- your hair would be more likely to get caught or pulled by another tribute and it would get in your eyes if it was long enough to tie up.
dding to that shaving the heads of female tributes would not be appealing to the capital audience as by this point they are seen like celebs ..and making all tributes have buzzcuts woupd take away from individuality of them so the people would be less likely to 'stan' a particular tribute
I’m not sure if the video of the 50th games is official, but in it the girls had their long hair down. Also Lucy Gray had her hair down, so I don’t think they’ve always had their hair done up
@Angelo-uw9eo It was yeah. Papa Snow kept egging on Highbottom(who was plastered by this point) to make it more and more eccentric and horrific. Then Crassus took his drunk plans and presented them as a real thing
See this comment is kind of confusing because you aren’t wrong, but for people who don’t know they would think it’s the Snow that they know from the movies/books and not Snow’s father lol
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I LOVE this video bc I was obsessed with the hunger games books and movies as a teen and it just brings so much nostalgia and reminds me of just how good this whole series is
Piggybacking off the fact at minute circa 22, another big hint about Plutarch being on Katnisses side was that in the books at the presidential victor ball Plutarch showed Katniss his watch, hinting to the fact that the arena was built like a clock!
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One Thing I noticed is how all these changes president snow made for victors and the hunger games itself appear to me to have the sole purpose to bring forth another Lucy Gray and extinguishing this flame before it even can burn
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Actually for the clock arena all the zones were mentioned in the books because some of the tributes died in them instead of them being killed by someone else.. when I go back & find each hour’s event I will edit this comment & tell you guys.. I know for sure one of the hours had really bad misquotes/bug bites that of course swollen whoever was bit.. & the person who was blinded in the blood rain was actually the guy from Johanna’s district & they were actually working together, him & Johanna actually ended up finding beedee & Wiress (sorry I forgot how to spell their names)..
I lived in Philly as a student and we had beaver-sized rats. You could hear the click, click, licking of them in the dumpsters at njght. Developed my cockroach allergy there as well. Silverfish and mice in my dorm. Fun times.
30:57 25th the only known thing which made it special was that districts had to hold an election to choose a tribute, Snow says so in his speech when he announces the twist for 75th in Catching Fire. And we can assume its victor is dead cos Effie didnt give Peeta tapes of 25th and gave him all living victor ones. but thats basically it
It's interesting to note the reason the ships collect the bodies: Capitol citizens got the ick one year when a tribute committed cannibalism, so the Capitol started removing the bodies. At least, I think that's the stated reason.
That is not the stated reason, Titus was a cannibal but he was killed off specifically because they didn’t like the savagery. They could have collected the bodies for a multitude of reasons: Reaper’s disrespect and showcasing of the dead tributes in the game. The general rot and decay that a human body would experience would not be wanted by the Capitol, maggots are not something they’d want to see
Oh my god I just realized, when I read the first book as a kid I didn't unstand the concept of using hours as fractions of a circle so I thought it was talking about literal time, like those things would happen at certain times of day. I literally never realized before now
Thanks for this. I never read the books, so the movies were always confusing to me. But, when u explained that they were "coal" people and how cinna "designed them as coal"....it clicked for me as to why they were on fire. I never understood the significance or why it was such a big deal in the movie. I get that it was a cool effect, but I also knew that wasn't the only reason why this outfit ignited a rebellion. Now I understand a bit more. Thanks!
know this relies mostly on the movies, but I don't think it's fully correct to say the Quells are planned out that long. In the books, Katniss is pretty certain the card is staged. And in "Songbirds and Snakes" people are allowing the games to peter out. I don't think anyone thought they'd go on that long.
Its like the 5th time this video just appears as automatically downloaded and I always find it fascinating until I see the thumbnail and I realize I've already seen it. I just love your videos 🎉
Haymitch saying he can’t save them out loud was I think for him more than for Katniss or peta he was realizing that he has to go through it all again and he won’t be able to do anything I think he kept them at a distance because he maybe thought it would be easier to say goodbye if they weren’t that close but Katniss broke through to him
IIRC it’s not that training for the games was illegal, it was more that the other 11 districts had jobs that would inherently benefit its tributes while 12 had the coal mines which you could only work in once you turned 18.
I think those rose scented humanoid things can be trained to say things, but not like complex things so whoever trained them to go after katniss probably said her name a lot around them and therefore accidentally (or on purpose) trained them to yell her name out.
Also I believe that the two victor thing was always gonna be taken back, hope only to realise it’s wrong and be forced to kill/be killed by the one person you could actually trust to want to keep you alive
I think that a prequal book/movie could be the first Hunger Games and it could have multiple PoV characters one being high as a kite bottom and the first victor and because only 2 characters have won for district 12 and one being Lucy Gray and the second being Hamitch it'd be interesting to see the perspective of another district
24:35 - that twisting poison ring was actually Glimmers from Katniss and Peetas 74th Games. In the same vein, they considered taking Katniss' pin for possibly the same reason. Also with 36:40, there is a lot of contention about that. Most universally agree that they were blank wolf shaped things that were manipulated with genetic material from thr deceased tributes, not the bodies themselves (since they would send them back to the districts).
From your introduction, I thought you were going to explain the many references in the Hunger Games universe to our own history. Something for another video, perhaps? Also, cross-referencing the politics & government of the HG with the various forms of government we have had, would be very interesting. Susan Collins plays with our own frame of reference concerning these things, and tries to make us think about government. I think they are clever books, even making the dictator Snow seem relatable.
Another great video. Thank you for this. The Hunger Games are amongst my favorite movie, and book series. I’m glad The Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes is going to come out in theaters soon. I hope it does great at the box office. Maybe then we’ll be getting a movie on the 1st and 2nd Quarter Quels. Especially Haymitch’s games, my favorite part of Catching Fire. Side note , have you watched Battle Royale? The 2000 Japanese “version” of the Hunger Games ? If so, do you think you can do a video on the film and manga please?
I love this! I’m wondering if you’ve done The maze runner world, I still barely understand it. I have read the books but only once. And it just never clicks
Snow deviced it to not allow anyone directly related because he was poor at that time and couldn't financially boost his own tribute whilst he knew many of his classmates would have that ability
I always imagined the nation to be in a post-nuclear America about 100 years afterwards. No real far off technology beyond gene modification, everything else is just how some peasant would see technology, like hovercrafts are just conventional helicopters, force fields are just electric fences, and the capital is a normal pre-war city.
This was so interesting! I don't remember the movies very much and didn't read the books so the Games were the most interesting part for me lol. Thanks for putting this video together! The mutant animals are... I have no words! 😱😱😱😱
i do recommend reading the books if you're ever tempted, or even listening to an audiobook. they're entirely from katniss' perspective and really easy to get into and to follow. also, all the characters are so much better in the book (specifically Peeta, who is especially watered down the first film) and naturally everything goes into more depth than the films have the chance to
Something you missed about the reaping is that each year the number *added* to the reaping pool, so instead of each year having 1, 2, 3, 4... you have 1, 3, 7, 11, plus all of the tessera you've taken over the years Edit: I was so confidently wrong. The number of ballots *added* doesn't go up each year. I was wright about the tesserea being cumulative though
@rexibhazoboa7097 I admittedly don't have a source, so I probably shouldn't have posted so confidently. It was my understanding from reading the books though and I don't recall ever having heard someone say differently in other Hunger Games videos until now, which I imagine would have come up. If I remember to I'll look it up later though because it's going to eat at me now
@@rexibhazoboa7097okay so according to two different fan wikis, the number of ballots entered doesn't increase each year. Honestly I'm surprised the Capitol didn't think of doing that though. Everything is still cumulative though including tesserea
I'm halfway through rn, but the only thing I don't agree with so far is that Plutarch replaced the envelope out of his own will to send them in. He even says to Katniss: I didn't know you would go in (or smthn along those lines). Plutarch didn't know what was in the envelope, but Snow made him change it to that envelope. It was Snow's idea, also because president Snow literally thought of the quarter quell. Because it was his idea I think he knew what was going to happen for all quarter quells, maybe not all, but at least all in which he knew he would be alive for.
When first reading the books, I had so much disdain for the career districts because they viewed it as an “honor” and were so eager to compete. Obviously, we are meant to feel this way, as they’re antagonists for a reason. But thinking about it now, the existence of the careers is more of a slap in the face to the capitol than anything. Those districts would NEVER be caught off guard in terms of having the youngest, most innocent children reaped. The whole point of the Hunger Games was to keep the people weak, oppressed, and living in complete fear. However, the career districts refused to be victims. They trained a group of young people to survive at all costs and to sacrifice themselves. Yes, they were ruthless in the arena, but (as per the entire point of the games) only one person could survive anyway, and the careers ALWAYS had the best chance at winning. In the career districts, the people and their children could live in peace knowing that even if their child was reaped, a career would volunteer to take their place.
The career districts were still victims. Out of three districts yielding 6 participants, only one would win. And not even all the time. It shows how these districts were brainwashed into blind self-sacrifice, sacrificing "self" for the good of the Capitol, and seeing the oppression of other districts as their highest calling. A deep perversion of what the gift of life is actually intended for.
A bit like how the SS and the Russian army are brainwashed into giving their lives or visiting destruction on a whim of the dictator.
I finally watched the film, and honestly, that’s a fantastic way of thinking of it
🙊 love your point of view!
Good point!
well done
I know Cinna is a fan favorite but I never hear people talk about just how instrumental his designs were in the entire uprising. He started it all with the flaming chariot and his final act of the Mockingjay dress was one of the biggest pieces to getting people to rebel
I heard a fan theory that he actually was from one of the outlying districts. Logistically speaking, he'd probably be from 11 or 12, and the theory I heard from actually said he did come from 12, hence his preference for simpler, plainer, and darker styles for himself as opossed to the lavish and borderline ABSURD clothes of the Capitol (the plain black clothes trimmed with gold and his simple gold eyeliner).
@@HHLucifer666 does the fan theory explain how he ended up a capitol citizen? Cause that didn't happen at this point, people weren't allowed to move from district to district, much less district to capitol
you can buy your way into the capitol! In the ballad book, Sejanus' father bought his way into the capitol from District 2, iirc@@kittyunderwood8918
@@kittyunderwood8918probably like how Sejanus landed in Capitol despite being from District 2 originally, probably they lived in the Merchant Area where they can gather clothes in the black market
@@vladixice maybe, but I doubt it. Snow wasn't in a position of power when Sejanus came to the capitol, but he was absolutely disgusted that it was allowed. As soon as he came into power, he would probably not allow that anymore. On top of that, the capitol was in bad shape from the war still when the Plinths moved to the capitol, and they were able to throw their money around to secure that move. The capitol isn't in bad shape anymore tho, so they don't need someone rich from the districts to pay for repairs now
I love reading the lore but can we stop a minute to appreciate this guy to detail all the important parts, don't include ads, don't add sponsorship, and have timestamps so viewers can skip some parts? It's like a wonderful podcast while doing study works
Thank you, I appreciate the kind words!
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The one thing I wish they had kept from the book was how messed up Peeta and Katniss were at the end of 74. In the book she sees her reflection and is stunned by how wild she looks; how emaciated and out of control she looks. And that Peeta looses a whole leg in the process!
Doesn't Katniss also go deaf in an ear because of being so close to the exploding pile of food? I know in the movie they added the ringing effect and had her be stunned momentarily, but I remember in the books she was properly deaf for the rest of the games and then had a hearing aid or something for Catching Fire when Peeta got his prosthetic leg 🤔
@@ColorSolutionshe got her ear repaired by the capital and she lied about being able to hear the forcefield in the sequel because she had prior knowledge on how to see it
After 75 as well she says she is scarred and has bald spots from the acid, plus a gaping hole in her arm from where Johanna wripped out her tracker and in 13 they don't have access to full body polishes or whatever so she is just fugly! They kidnap her prep team and keep them held hostage chained up for her when she agrees to be the mockingjay but they can't work miracles and they are appalled at the state of her!
@@nitrothechampi think she had prior knowledge because of Wyres and Beetie pointing it out in the training area
@@MacacubCorrect
for the rules “arbitrarily changing” at 42:42 , its important to remember that the games are designed as a reality show for the capitol, and peeta and katniss are the “star crossed lovers” so they allowed them a false hope of two victors and then took it away to stay in accordance with the rules and for dramatic effect. it was an intentional choice.
I agree, I dont think it was ever meant as an actual rule-change, it was just there to mess with them even more.
I agree 💯
fr, i feel like he’s being critical of things he doesn’t even understand lmfao
Exactly my thought as well!
Pretty sure it was sure another way to mess with them psychologically. It just backfired on them in the most glorious way.
I think its kind of interesting how because the tributes from districts 1, 2 and 4 are almost always volunteers, people in those districts are basically saved from having to worry all year about being picked since whoever does get picked would immediately be replaced with someone who wants to go into the games anyway. This really does make their lives significantly less horrible then the lives of people in the other districts
I think the volunteers would say they wanted to be tributes before anyone is even pick, it expedites the whole process because they would get asked at the end anyway so they might as well get it over with before the draw if you know what I mean.
@@deancalder8799 Yeah, I think the point is that whoever voulenteers in those districts is something that's decided ahead of time. In a way, they're being heroic since they're saving the lives of whoever actually gets selected
I'm not big on Hunger game lore but aren't 1 and 2 the district where all sorts of expansive luxury s**t is being made and 4 where most of their guards came from?
@@OnionChoppingNinja Yeah, that's right. And they establish in the first book that the people in those districts don't have it great but they're less starving and impoverished then people from the other districts
@@OnionChoppingNinja 1 is luxury shit, 2 is military and weapon industry and 4 is fishing. So really only 1&2 have significantly higher status than the other districts, 4 mostly gets better off because they have a great Capitol-independent food source.
They do provide career tributes according to the books, but I don't think they necessarily have a training program set up, they just usually well fed and strong because they start to work on the fishing boats as kids. I'm also not sure if volunteering is that common there, at least no victors we personally know from that district was a volunteer. It is unlikely Mags volunteered on her first games as it was only the 11th and Career tributes weren't really a thing, Finnick had more survival instinct than to volunteer at the ripe age of 14 and Annie really wasn't cut out for the games and only won by a fluke (and Finnick probably pulling a bunch of favors).
11:06 you see, I actually found the bread more touching, since such a point was made of what a sacrifice it was for that District to send Katniss bread. I read that through tears and have always felt that it was a perfect quietly generous thank you that perfectly matched the gentle care Katniss took of the dying and later deceased Rue. The riots in the movie seemed to be more focused on rage over what happened to Rue. But the possibility - even probability, since Rue was so young & small - of Rue’s death should have been anticipated. The people probably would have even been resigned to it. Katniss’s actions could not have been anticipated however, and her unlooked-for kindness stood in stark contrast to the bloody horror of the Games. The bread signified gratitude toward Katniss and was the first substantial sign of her growing popularity and her ability to win hearts. Rue’s District’s act of kindness meant to match Katniss’s should have been a warning to Snow of how dangerous Katniss could become, but because it was a whisper of gratitude instead of a roar of rage, it was missed. So I’m probably a minority in this, but I’ve always much preferred Rue’s death scene and its aftermath as the book presented it. It just seems more fitting.
Exactly what i thought. I still think that both these scenes were extremely well done. Movies just generally have to be more dramatic because unlike words, all we get to see are physical expressions.
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i wholeheartedly agree with you.
It was a huge sacrifice, and very gentle. Like Rue.
Agreed. I get why they did that in the Movie - it was a very subtle point that would likely be lost on the majority of the audience - but the book's response was so much better.
Its actually a clever move on Dr. Gaul's part to tell everyone that Highbottom came up with the idea of the hunger games rather than stealing the glory herself
That way Highbottom would be viewed as the most hated man in panem instead of her
Even though Highbottom conceptualized the idea for the Hunger Games Dr. Gaul was the one who brought them to life so in actuality she is the creator of the hunger games and was even directly responsible for the first 10 games
Do not lie to Dr. Gaul. If you read the books or see the upcoming, then you will know where “Not to tell lies” philosophy Snow learned from…
Haymitch actually failed at keeping 46 tributes alive it’s said in the books that he mentored for 23 games before Peeta and katniss
Now I'm wondering who mentored Haymitch and all the tributes before him in district 12, since Lucy Gray was the only other D12 victor in the history of the Games, and she practically vanished
@nahicorua They were probably given a capitol mentor like in the tenth games. The other districts probably had capitol mentors too until they had their own victors
But there is 25 games from Quarter quell 2 all the way to quarter 3 so if he started mentoring in 51 than 46 would have failed, like imagine if haymitch died before Katniss and pleeta showed up, they likely would have died or at least Peeta cuz that kid just did everything in his power to fucking die especially when him and Katniss is together. My point is if Haymitch was actually a good tribute and didn't win by luck yet he couldn't mentor a single winning tribute before Katniss than how the hell are we supposed to believe that a district like fucking 3 or 8, 7, 6 etc etc where there main industries weren't even fucking physical, they grow up in a concrete covered industrialism were the only plants were nuclear, some how manged to rake up 3 victors as well!?!!?!? District 12 was at least in a wilderness adjacent land, but 3?? If he wasn't I genius I would question why bettie latier even knew what a Mockingjay is😂😂
Damn going 0-46 is crazy
@layth6857 it's not that crazy when you think that not only is 12 the poorest District, but people from 12 also aren't allowed in the mines until they turn 18 and are likely too old for the Games. Most of the Tributes from 12 are likely scrawny, sickly and malnourished.
I don't see how training for the games could be illegal, because the games are just about surviving.
i think it comes down to the fact that they don’t want the lower districts to win, which is why they also turn a blind eye to the career districts training. it looks better and plays out better for the capital if the winners are predominantly from an ally district, like 1 or 2 compared to the outlier districts like 11 and 12 where riots and rebellion is more likely to start out
Because if a non-capitol leaning district (basically any district except 1, 2 & sometimes 4) children who learn to use weapons can then turn those weapons on the capitol itself. One or two victors in each outlying district would not be able to over throw the government but 100-200 who trained their whole adolescence to fight to the death, that’s dangerous.
It was technically illegal, but there was training facilities in districts, 1,2 and 4 making the children that came from these districts, able to wheeled weapons expertly, even if it wasn’t something to have to do with their industry in their individual district meaning someone from district 2 would be able to wield some like a trident which is something that someone from district 4 would be able to wield
So the odds aren’t in your favor.
the "official" reason is so that no district has an advantage over another. But, as others have said, they don't actually want the outer districts to win, so they turn a blind eye to the career districts training their kids. Katniss also mentions in the books, that most other districts' trades can also help kids prepare for the games, like being able to use specific weapons like Joanna with her axe or Thresh with the scythe or whatever he had, or for characters like Rue who was a great climber, or even Foxface who comes from a "smarter" district. However, district 12 was the coal mining district, and they weren't allowed to become coal miners until they were 18, which is also the last year they can be called for the games. So kids in district 12 don't get the strength that comes from doing hard labor daily like some of the other districts, they're also the poorest district so they have the most starving people/kids. Peeta had strength because he worked at the bakery moving sacks of flour around. Katniss was unique in her district because her dad wasn't afraid of crossing the barrier like everyone else, and taught her not to be afraid and taught her how to survive. Like in the second book, most of the tributes don't actually know how to swim, because only one or maybe two districts actually had access to large bodies of water. Katniss could swim because her dad had taken her to a lake and taught her. And with the spile, her dad had taught her how to get tree sap and make syrup. In the books, it took like 12 hours for her to figure out what that was because it'd been so long, not the few seconds they showed in the movie to save time. Technically, her showing these skills also were proof that she had done illegal things in 12, but at this point they didn't care because at this point it was just part of the show
mags would’ve remembered lucy gray since it was the year before she was reaped, and being from district four, would most likely have watched her games. mags was the first victor to live the “life of luxury” they showered the victors in after the 10th. i think she would’ve told katniss of lucy gray, if she had the ability to do so.
the districts barely had any working televisions so there's a chance that she never watched the 10th games
@@sunstarburstz district 4 (mags’ district) is a career, which is always favoured by the capitol. they had more power, food, and water. the 10th was the first super big games with stakes, people placed bets and had favourites, so she likely would’ve watched. even if she didn’t, a girl from district 12 winning was a big thing, everyone knew about it.
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Actually so many people didn't. in the books, the residents of 12 and the peacekeepers dont even know about the games. The people of 12 know lucy gray won when she comes back but that is really it. even the people from 2 ( snows fellow peacekeepers ) had know idea who Snow was or that he had anything to do with the Hunger Games. they didnt even know lucy gray was the victor.@@bellamay3741 so, there is a huge possiblity mags doesnt know who lucy gray is.
@@bellamay3741 Careers didn't exist yet
I distinctly remember that 1 Hunger Game was so cold that all the Tributes died after half an hour. As a result, future arenas made sure to keep a livable climate so the kids can still starve and die of infection but at least the slow death is more interesting for viewers
That's not what happened in that one
Was that in books?
They didnt die THAT quickly but it was also a barren tundra so nowhere for anyone to hide from each other so between no cover and the freezing tundra it was a boring one that ended quickly
You didn’t even mention the worst part of the mutts from the 74th like the hounds weren’t just what you described. Katniss described looking into the eyes of one of them and it was literally the eyes of the tribute. (Forgive me for forgetting which tribute it was, it has been a decade since I last read the books)
It was the girl from district 1 (Glimmer)
What does that mean
@@uhohstinky5850 the mutts were wolf-like things with the same eyes as the fallen tributes (like human eyes, which is super creepy) and their fur was coloured in accordance to the tributes hair colour, so along with the number tags on the collars, katniss could tell who the mutts were
But I thought the capital sends the bodies back to their home districts after?
So did they… have to be sent back as dead mutts?
It was Glimmer. She also specifically noticed one that looked like Rue(reddish fur with green eyes).
They gotta start a series just going through the 75 hunger games, I would love to see Haymichs games
I've seen a video of 1 to 75 where they show the arena and whatever information they have of it. I'm not sure if all of it is legit or just fan made but it really ads to the imagination. They could definitely use it to start a series lol
It’s called tales of the hunger games and its fan made, but a great time! He matches up details the original hunger games books gave (fairly sure they were made before tbosas) and goes after 75th as well!
Boy oh boy what a time to be alive 😂
@@AlycatIsAlive WE MADE IT 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
There is book coming next year about haymitches games called sunrise on the reaping
You mentioned in the video, that Plutarch changed the letter for the 3rd Quarter Quell because he was Head Gamemaker and planned for Katniss to be in the 75th Hunger Games. This was a movie only decision. In the books during the celebration at the end of the Victory Tour he hints at the clock design of the arena for the 75th Games, but he expected Katniss to be a mentor and not a participant. If he had burned the original twist and exchanged it with his own twist, why would he think she'd be a mentor? There was no other possible female tribute for the Quarter Quell that way.
theres a big headcanon that it was snow who had the twist changed specifically to target katniss because she was inciting rebellion -- the only way she wouldn't become a martyr for the rebellion and they would lose hope if she died in the games (which was very likely with the other victors, and if it hadn't been for the rebel alliance, she would have) i still think plutarch hinting at the watch would still work even if plutarch was the one to change the letter because he was still hinting at how katniss could survive the game -- the rebellion was resting on the idea that the alliance could survive long enough and come together to keep katniss alive until they could get her/everyone out of the arena so it still makes sense. personally, i think plutarch was ordered by snow to change the twist and plutarch, knowing what it was, planned around it for the rebellion.
I always assumed that snow was the one who ordered the twist to be changed. No one could prove it or stop him, and it was a good way to crush the mockingjay before she could cause any more problems
The ballad of songs and snakes was the book that creeped me out. Having a partner that betrays me in such a deep way has been one of my biggest fears ever.
Honestly we could keep this series going for decades. It gets a lotta crap but it's truly one of the best post apocalyptic YA books and there's a wide field to choose from in that seeming niche.
Ecept for the fact that Peta shoulda died
@@CLaraFTMFW Actually, it's not your story, so what _you think_ should've happened doesn't matter.
To anyone.
Anywhere.
Not in any timeline or alternate plane of reality, nor in this one.
@@Atmatan lol, well you sound like a douche of the highest caliber.
Luckily no one cares about your opinion on the status of any YA novels.
I am so glad that though there are "safe spaces" on this earth, you will still have to endure the contradicting opinions of others, cause in no other dimension, time, space, era, or realm will you ever simply able to post on public forum and be free of any response. No amount of gluten free yogurt will ever save your soy obese ass from that reality.
Stay safe out there.
@@Atmatanrelax you freak lmfao, people can have opinions
I need the fiftieth hunger gamesssss
Great video. I didn't even know I was interested in all of that but I couldn't stop until I watched the whole thing.
Same! Great vid
Dude is mesmerizing
Thank you for the kind words!
I didn't even notice all the pre-planned Quarter Quell boxes in the movie. In Catching Fire, you get the gist that Katniss believes the Quarter Quell rules may be pre-written but that Snow cheated and changed it to send her back. But after reading the prequel, it seems there is NO way the quarter quell rules were written during the conception of the HG. That must be another game enhancing feature that got added sometime after the 10th games to up the ante.
The evolution of the games is SO interesting and vile.
I used to get really mad about how the movies didn't represent the games all that well, but now I'm realizing, like how could they?
They went more into detail about the games and the history of it in the books?
@06:58 Friendly reminder that Mags was the victor of the 11th Hunger Games so she would have endured that "zoo pen" treatment from the Capitol.
I loved Mags :(
do we know when the 'zoo pen' treatment stopped, and when the full glamour that we see in the main trilogy comes in? because we know that mags was the first victor to have a victory tour so id imagine they scrapped the zoo thing that year or a year or so after that -- i cant imagine it would take to long to add more spectacle to the games, especially after the 10th
Im pretty sure they stopped the zoo thing after Lucy Grays game because a tribute died from a sickness by the apes or something like that
@@yellowhouse4911 One tribute (the male one from 12) got bitten by a raccoon and contracted rabies, which he then infected another tribute with. Probably they stopped after that.
@@Katherine-ou6lbhe was bitten by a bat in the train cars then later (accidently) spat in Reaper's eye, causing him to to get rabbies too.
At 10:55 you mention you liked the riot scene in the books versus the bread in the movies, but I’m sure they both happened in the book in movie. It’s just that in the book, we can only follow Katniss’ POV so she wouldn’t know about the rioting in district 11. Also, a lot of the war happens behind the scenes in the book. Which is why the movie has so much to present to us that isn’t Katniss
Honestly, I had forgotten how much I used to love young adult novels. Some concepts are really interesting! Hunger games used to be one of my favorite books!
Why don’t you enjoy YA anymore? Curious
@@TheAireaidLord OP probably grew out of the genre, or they got bored of the genre due to the saturation of YA books that followed suit after Hunger Games' success on the big screen.
All I have to say about the way the 74th tributes were treated compared to the 10th is, "You've changed the scenery but not the situation"
I'm surprised you didn't say more about the collection of bodies during the later hunger games, as compared to the 10th. The decision to collect the bodies was probably motivated by the stunt that Sejanus pulled off, or the thing where that one tribute pulled down the flag to honour the fallen.
Wait what did sejanus do
no, they were collecting bodies because one tribute started eating the bodies of the dead, and the audience at the Capitol didn't like it because it was "unethical"
@@user-tw8ec3ii5nhi! was this in the books?
@@jujufernan498 I believe it was in the first or second book, more likely in the first
They described it in the first book that one tribute went mad and started eating the corpses and it wasn't that long ago, because, if I'm not mistaken, Katniss had personal recollection of that game.
The 75th hunger games was actually planned without the knowledge of the twist and was only manipulated by the game makers after the "reading of the card". So when this announcement was made Plutarch and the rest of the rebels working in the capital to devise a plan to get the tributes out (source end of book 2). However with the construction of the arena finnick was chosen by Snow to win the games because he was the most cooperative victor (source Theory) Plutarch also put katniss's bow, finnick's trident and beete's wire in the pool of the cornucopia to help them survive the longest so the rebels had more time to plan for the breakout of the victors. (sorry ive read the books about 250000 times)
Love this video!!!! also the decision to change the rules during the 74th games was to maintain Katniss and Peeter's relationship and to enhance the games for the viewers in the capital. So when Claudius announces there can only be 1 winner, it was actually planned for the suspense of the games. Katniss figures this out however, and in defiance of game makers she proposed the idea to Peeter to eat the berries. Also throughout the first book Katniss repeatedly states that there aren't really any rules to the games that only the tributes are to not step off their platform before the end of the 60 second count and to not eat another tribute. It is also speculated that the tributes weren't retrieved mid games until one of the tributes began to eat his victims. Again bloody love this video!!!!
No you're wrong. The decision to add victors as tributes was added by snow because the districts were rebelling. Plutarch had no idea the victors would be tributes again. He shows katniss the watch when she was in snow's mansion because he thought she was going to be a mentor. Plutarch says so in the third book
Also finnick wasn't the only cooperative tribute. There was Brutus, Enobaria and the tributes from 1.
@@josephperin7981when Claudius announced there can only be one winner it wasn't for suspense, it was the rule and it couldn't be changed. Katniss outsmarted them because she figured out they have to let one of them win, hence the berries
@@papillondumonde7887Sure they were cooperative but they definitely weren’t as popular a choice as Finnick was. If the capital had to chose between them it would be Finnick.
I didn’t realize the reaping was on July 4,, that’s gotta be quite significant
16:18 On katniss knowing peeta's talent, she not only knows that peta is very strong, but their school had a wrestlers and peeta was a good and strong wrestler. and he was the runt of the family, i can't imagine how strong his brother's must've been.
Wait forgive me if I’ve missed anything but where does it ever say Peeta is the runt of the family? Unless you just meant the youngest?
I don't think people should be referred to as "runts" animals yes, humans no.
@@clover2739probably the books
@@ElizabethMBoyd it doesn’t say that
@@clover2739 oh clarify, i think katniss said something more along the lines that Peeta was the smaller or younger of his brothers. one wasn't of reaping age. their district has a wrestling competition, peeta won second place beaten only by his big brother.
11:14 in the ballad of songbirds and snakes, snow came up with the stipulation that ppl related to the games can’t bet bcs he couldn’t afford to send gifts and he didn’t want to be shown up or have his status questioned, so it’s all about himself again🙄
11:16 Let’s be real here- Snow setting up bets the way he did was bc he was poor and too prideful to let anyone in his inner circle know that
I'm pretty sure he's trying to limit spoilers for S&S so personal character details that can be left out were
Why would setting up bets help in with being poor? He'd have to know before hand who'd win for him to profit from that unless you meant he gets a tax from every bet made, I also don't think he cared about helping the people of the districts win money it was more about making them more entertaining because you had something in the games to watch for, you watch football or other sports if you've put a bet on a team otherwise you don't really mind if you don't support a team, the only people with anything in the games are the family & friends if there were no bets.
@@deancalder8799 I was more coming from the excerpt in the book where he says “no one involved with the games can place bets”to avoid showing people that the Snow family didn’t have money.
Fun fact: uhh like the year after Cashmere won the games, her arena actually had an active volcano and it erupted mid way through her games, and also there were giant bears-
When did it ever say that?
@@XanderMatthews-nv9zf the books 😃
Rue's district sending Katniss Bread is devastating and beautiful. Them showing Katniss they're not mad at her but rather grateful for what she did for Prim. The bread acting as a symbol for "you need to survive". When Katniss mentions that the bread was crudely made and it must've cost a fortune for district 11 people to send it, I was sobbing like a baby. It shows that the revolution sparked with Kindness and love - Katniss volunteering for Prim, Katniss trying to save Rue and district 11 recognising Katniss is also a child and they're grateful for her showing her humanity, something that had been beaten out of the districts by years of oppression and survival. It's such a beautiful message.
I literally never realized that’s why Mags was pointing.
10:54
the books are solely from Katniss point of view so the lashing out so uproar in district 11 could have still happened. but Katniss would have only known about the bread
But movies are for the entertainment of us so they need to point out why it's happening.
@@deancalder8799 i know i was just pointing out to those who forgot
There is one thing that I always think about when I see or read the scenes in which Katniss is getting ready to hop on the platform to be elevated into the arena. I know it's a very small detail, so I am not mad that it is not taken into account by neither the books nor the films, but all the tribues with long hair are prepared for the arena with their hair braided or at least put up in a ponytail. That means those tributes have hairties with them. The audience is explained that even just a simple piece of string can make the difference between life and death. Of course we don't know for sure whether the hairties are elastics, but I am pretty damn sure they can be of excellent use for a makeshift slingshot or just any weapon that the tributes can come up with.
It's a minor detail but it gives the tributes (girls mostly, I guess :D) an advantage. I'm sure within 75 years someone must have come up with the idea to use their hairtie and that kind of makes me wonder why the capitol hasn't done anything about it (I know it's because it's just a minor detail for the books, so Suzanne Collins probably just didn't think of it, but in a canon way the capitol just doesn't care I guess).
its not entirely unplausible that no one would have tried to use a hairband within the 75 years of the games cause hairties arent that resilent and most arent stretchy enough to be all that helpful, they'd all likely snap (i doubt the capitol would give them anything super durable). also, having your hair down would be more of a disadvantage than the hairband could have been an advantage -- your hair would be more likely to get caught or pulled by another tribute and it would get in your eyes if it was long enough to tie up.
dding to that shaving the heads of female tributes would not be appealing to the capital audience as by this point they are seen like celebs
..and making all tributes have buzzcuts woupd take away from individuality of them so the people would be less likely to 'stan' a particular tribute
I’m not sure if the video of the 50th games is official, but in it the girls had their long hair down. Also Lucy Gray had her hair down, so I don’t think they’ve always had their hair done up
This games started because Snow and his former friend was drunk at a bar and were joking about it. But Snow decided to turn it into an idea.
Wasnt it his dad?
@Angelo-uw9eo It was yeah. Papa Snow kept egging on Highbottom(who was plastered by this point) to make it more and more eccentric and horrific. Then Crassus took his drunk plans and presented them as a real thing
No, actually it was Snow’s dad. The Hunger Games started when Snow was a mere child, less than ten years old.
See this comment is kind of confusing because you aren’t wrong, but for people who don’t know they would think it’s the Snow that they know from the movies/books and not Snow’s father lol
*Snow Senior (Coriolanus Snow's father) put forth the idea.
Adding to the girl who dropped her small wooden ball, in the books, apparently, they had to scrape her remains off the ground...
“Genetically modified danger wasp” made me laugh way too hard
If any of u want an amazing fan made series ab the hunger games, Christian Blanco has a series on his channel where he has written so so SO many hunger games, and tried to be as historically and factually accurate to canon while doing it. He does past hunger games we know nothing about, hunger games we have seen, and even future hunger games continuing in the world he created. It’s amazing, and I definitely recommend it if u have time to kill!
I LOVE this video bc I was obsessed with the hunger games books and movies as a teen and it just brings so much nostalgia and reminds me of just how good this whole series is
Same! I had a good time reliving the nostalgia making this
Piggybacking off the fact at minute circa 22, another big hint about Plutarch being on Katnisses side was that in the books at the presidential victor ball Plutarch showed Katniss his watch, hinting to the fact that the arena was built like a clock!
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One Thing I noticed is how all these changes president snow made for victors and the hunger games itself appear to me to have the sole purpose to bring forth another Lucy Gray and extinguishing this flame before it even can burn
Lol I so ready for an ad read when you said sponsors that I immediately started fast forwarding then had to go back when I realized you said just kidding 😂
I love how every once in a while you call them Catnip and Pita Bread. Caught me off guard and I had to double check if I was hearing right lol
The Roman circus and colosseum never ended, it just rebranded itself in several different guises.
Actually for the clock arena all the zones were mentioned in the books because some of the tributes died in them instead of them being killed by someone else.. when I go back & find each hour’s event I will edit this comment & tell you guys.. I know for sure one of the hours had really bad misquotes/bug bites that of course swollen whoever was bit.. & the person who was blinded in the blood rain was actually the guy from Johanna’s district & they were actually working together, him & Johanna actually ended up finding beedee & Wiress (sorry I forgot how to spell their names)..
"They're like the people who make reality TV, but slightly more ethical" lololololololol
39:40 Haymitch: “KATNISS!! STAY AWAY FROM THAT F**KING BUTTERFLY! IT’LL KILL YOU FOR GOD’S SAKE!!”
I lived in Philly as a student and we had beaver-sized rats. You could hear the click, click, licking of them in the dumpsters at njght. Developed my cockroach allergy there as well. Silverfish and mice in my dorm. Fun times.
So the odds that Pinrose being picked is fucking astonishing.
Need a movie on haymitch
We already know about haymtiches history and his game's so there's no point In a movie.
@@UNITED-STATES-OF-MURICA140we already know Katniss and Lucy-Grays story and history so what’s the point of their movies?
@@mychannel-rt2gn Elaborate
WE ARE GETTING ONE
Well well well
30:57 25th the only known thing which made it special was that districts had to hold an election to choose a tribute, Snow says so in his speech when he announces the twist for 75th in Catching Fire. And we can assume its victor is dead cos Effie didnt give Peeta tapes of 25th and gave him all living victor ones. but thats basically it
“They’re like reality tv makers…”
Me: Except more moral
“…Except they’re slightly more ethical.”
Fist bump moment.
It's interesting to note the reason the ships collect the bodies: Capitol citizens got the ick one year when a tribute committed cannibalism, so the Capitol started removing the bodies. At least, I think that's the stated reason.
Correct
That is not the stated reason, Titus was a cannibal but he was killed off specifically because they didn’t like the savagery.
They could have collected the bodies for a multitude of reasons: Reaper’s disrespect and showcasing of the dead tributes in the game.
The general rot and decay that a human body would experience would not be wanted by the Capitol, maggots are not something they’d want to see
Oh my god I just realized, when I read the first book as a kid I didn't unstand the concept of using hours as fractions of a circle so I thought it was talking about literal time, like those things would happen at certain times of day. I literally never realized before now
It is talking about time, the sections trigger their effects on each hour
25:42 "I guess she really dropped the ball on that one."
That was really funny!
Thanks for this. I never read the books, so the movies were always confusing to me. But, when u explained that they were "coal" people and how cinna "designed them as coal"....it clicked for me as to why they were on fire. I never understood the significance or why it was such a big deal in the movie. I get that it was a cool effect, but I also knew that wasn't the only reason why this outfit ignited a rebellion. Now I understand a bit more. Thanks!
Most of the time, I watch your videos, because I like your voice.
Thank you for making this video I love the hunger games series and want to know more about each victors and the main characters.
33:59 nice touch. This was a very nice effect in the movie theater, that I still enjoy.
know this relies mostly on the movies, but I don't think it's fully correct to say the Quells are planned out that long. In the books, Katniss is pretty certain the card is staged. And in "Songbirds and Snakes" people are allowing the games to peter out. I don't think anyone thought they'd go on that long.
Its like the 5th time this video just appears as automatically downloaded and I always find it fascinating until I see the thumbnail and I realize I've already seen it. I just love your videos 🎉
the timing of this video is perfection
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I would appreciate Bryce explaining every single film series to me. Especially the ones Ive watched a thousand times. Please and Thank you
mags trying to make Finnick look at the camera broke me 😭
This video was phenomenal! Thanks for going deep and sharing all that you learned. Subscribed!
You're too kind, thank you so much!
Haymitch saying he can’t save them out loud was I think for him more than for Katniss or peta he was realizing that he has to go through it all again and he won’t be able to do anything I think he kept them at a distance because he maybe thought it would be easier to say goodbye if they weren’t that close but Katniss broke through to him
I wasn’t expecting such an elaborate explanation. That was great!
IIRC it’s not that training for the games was illegal, it was more that the other 11 districts had jobs that would inherently benefit its tributes while 12 had the coal mines which you could only work in once you turned 18.
This is really informative and answered so many questions I had (as someone who watched the movies and didn’t read the books)
That's awesome to hear, thank you!
I think those rose scented humanoid things can be trained to say things, but not like complex things so whoever trained them to go after katniss probably said her name a lot around them and therefore accidentally (or on purpose) trained them to yell her name out.
Also I believe that the two victor thing was always gonna be taken back, hope only to realise it’s wrong and be forced to kill/be killed by the one person you could actually trust to want to keep you alive
It’s just the fact that the reaping starts on the Fourth of July.. that’s sad
Me watching this like I don’t already know everything as a HG fanatic
Exceptionally done. Thank you for your hard work. Very helpful and informative
I think that a prequal book/movie could be the first Hunger Games and it could have multiple PoV characters one being high as a kite bottom and the first victor and because only 2 characters have won for district 12 and one being Lucy Gray and the second being Hamitch it'd be interesting to see the perspective of another district
The 50th hunger games sounds like absolute hell 😢
It WAS
i love how the background music is so uplifting when we are talking about something so dark
It's the only thing that gets me though haha
The only thing missing from the parade is the Tributes having to state, "Ave Caesar, morituri te salutant!"
24:35 - that twisting poison ring was actually Glimmers from Katniss and Peetas 74th Games. In the same vein, they considered taking Katniss' pin for possibly the same reason.
Also with 36:40, there is a lot of contention about that. Most universally agree that they were blank wolf shaped things that were manipulated with genetic material from thr deceased tributes, not the bodies themselves (since they would send them back to the districts).
From your introduction, I thought you were going to explain the many references in the Hunger Games universe to our own history. Something for another video, perhaps? Also, cross-referencing the politics & government of the HG with the various forms of government we have had, would be very interesting.
Susan Collins plays with our own frame of reference concerning these things, and tries to make us think about government. I think they are clever books, even making the dictator Snow seem relatable.
We are already living in such a universe already, some people more than others.
"I guess she really dropped the ball on that one"
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Haha thank you!
this was SUCH a good video wow, immediate subscribe
You're too kind, thank you!
Another great video. Thank you for this. The Hunger Games are amongst my favorite movie, and book series. I’m glad The Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes is going to come out in theaters soon. I hope it does great at the box office. Maybe then we’ll be getting a movie on the 1st and 2nd Quarter Quels. Especially Haymitch’s games, my favorite part of Catching Fire.
Side note , have you watched Battle Royale? The 2000 Japanese “version” of the Hunger Games ? If so, do you think you can do a video on the film and manga please?
I love this! I’m wondering if you’ve done The maze runner world, I still barely understand it. I have read the books but only once. And it just never clicks
Hey, what exactly is confusing about the maze runner’s world?
@@andpeg The set up of it all, mainly just second book locations
9:21 So so Cruel.
But avoiding the heel turn gained you a subscriber!
Snow deviced it to not allow anyone directly related because he was poor at that time and couldn't financially boost his own tribute whilst he knew many of his classmates would have that ability
I watched this twice if anyone wants to skip around without feeling guilty for his retention
39:27 Collins took Clough's assessment of Francis a bit too literally.
"Floats like a butterfly, and stings like one too"
I always imagined the nation to be in a post-nuclear America about 100 years afterwards. No real far off technology beyond gene modification, everything else is just how some peasant would see technology, like hovercrafts are just conventional helicopters, force fields are just electric fences, and the capital is a normal pre-war city.
This was so interesting! I don't remember the movies very much and didn't read the books so the Games were the most interesting part for me lol. Thanks for putting this video together! The mutant animals are... I have no words! 😱😱😱😱
i do recommend reading the books if you're ever tempted, or even listening to an audiobook. they're entirely from katniss' perspective and really easy to get into and to follow. also, all the characters are so much better in the book (specifically Peeta, who is especially watered down the first film) and naturally everything goes into more depth than the films have the chance to
This was a great video, thanks so much!
Thank you for the kind words!
“I guess she really dropped the ball on that one” 💀💀 this man really had his own lucky moment like “tuberculosis on legs”
Something you missed about the reaping is that each year the number *added* to the reaping pool, so instead of each year having 1, 2, 3, 4... you have 1, 3, 7, 11, plus all of the tessera you've taken over the years
Edit: I was so confidently wrong. The number of ballots *added* doesn't go up each year. I was wright about the tesserea being cumulative though
Where was this stated? And how did I miss it so many times?😅
@rexibhazoboa7097 I admittedly don't have a source, so I probably shouldn't have posted so confidently. It was my understanding from reading the books though and I don't recall ever having heard someone say differently in other Hunger Games videos until now, which I imagine would have come up. If I remember to I'll look it up later though because it's going to eat at me now
@@rexibhazoboa7097okay so according to two different fan wikis, the number of ballots entered doesn't increase each year. Honestly I'm surprised the Capitol didn't think of doing that though. Everything is still cumulative though including tesserea
@ThriftyFangirl I thought that was true also! Whoops. I have learned something new today!
I'm halfway through rn, but the only thing I don't agree with so far is that Plutarch replaced the envelope out of his own will to send them in. He even says to Katniss: I didn't know you would go in (or smthn along those lines).
Plutarch didn't know what was in the envelope, but Snow made him change it to that envelope. It was Snow's idea, also because president Snow literally thought of the quarter quell. Because it was his idea I think he knew what was going to happen for all quarter quells, maybe not all, but at least all in which he knew he would be alive for.
"Surprisingly the hunger games is just about food" I know, so surprising the HUNGER games is about food.
Thank you for putting so much work for this amazing video!
I appreciate the kind words!
I haven’t read the books in years so this was a nice refresher
So glad to hear!
0:11 13 made a deal with the capital so they went underground and the capital thought that they would just die out
Viola Davis as Dr Gaul deserves an Oscar.