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SHOULD F1 RETURN TO AIDA? iRacing Mercedes W12 at Okayama [v2.0]
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- Опубліковано 28 гру 2021
- The Okayama (Aida if you're old) circuit hosted two races in the mid-1990s before disappearing off the calendar forever. It made appearances in Grand Prix Manager and Grand Prix 2, as well as the official F1 game in 1995.
Since then, it's become a staple of the iRacing rookie series, being that it's one of the free tracks On THe SeRViCE, and is the setting for more MX-5 wrecks than you can shake a stick at.
But what would the Mercedes W12 be like around there, and could this track be upgraded to one day host F1 again?
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Aidan: "when you think Japan, you think Suzuka and Fuji"
Twin Ring Motegi: "am I a joke to you?"
twin ring motegi's road coarse is an abomination.
Tsukuba as well
Autopolis?
Sugo
@@cbrunnem6102 I call boswollox
The downsides about it being in a remote area aren’t just about the fans, but also the teams and F1 personnel who have to travel a long distance. That was the reason they ditched Korea, because it was a 5 hour drive from Seoul where they flew into.
And if I’m not mistaken it’s also the main reason why they chose Paul Ricardo instead of Magny Cours for the return of the French GP in 2018.
@@SamuelSantos_ Paul Ricard has that airport right next to the track so probably.
@@AidanMillward So we should go back to Donny Park after all!
The circuit isn't that far from big population centers, just 50 km's or so... more of an inconvenience for fans than F1 teams which at the time were a bit smaller I think. But yeah, didn't help the cause. It also probably fell off the calendar because there was already a race in Japan, on the much more popular Suzuka track, so there was no need for 2. In fact the race held at Aida (its name back then) was called "Pacific GP".
Tbh it seems like more than half the F1 circuits are within an hour of am airport. Cough cough Abu Dhabi
Okayama is a really good circuit, but will probably not host a f1 event in the future, as Suzuka is cemented on the calendar and even so, Fuji Speedway would be the key replacement. Still, I think it will be a good Grand Prix to have :)
2nd time it works.
Now to repost: Try F1 at the Cleveland Airport track (considering it's now in AMS2 and that has modern F1 cars)
I don't remember off the top of my head if you've done Autopolis yet, but if you haven't it would be a good addition to the series
I've been there a couple times. I watched Super Formula there a couple years ago and it was a great time. Back when it was still called Aida I went around the track in a civic type R. It didn't feel as claustrophobic as it looked with the F1 car.
Since people are suggesting tracks, Circuit Mont Tremblant is another former F1 track, it's currently owned by Lawrence Stroll, and is like a longer faster version of this. It'd be neat to see a modern F1 car go around it
Or CTMP/Mosport ...they would be under a minute a lap. It would be like Red Bull Ring on steroids
I’ve got a Toyota Aristo that came from Okayama Prefecture. Sometimes I wonder if it ever did a lap of Aida.
Motegi might be really fun, possibly Long Beach?
Not that F1 would ever touch it, but Tsukuba would be fun.
Fuck it, WEC at Tsukuba
That would be mental...
"There's an apex, somewhere" sounded like @SouthPawRacer
Really enjoy your work on UA-cam look forward to 2022
cool video, from what you are saying it looks like this track won't work now. This track was also in the TOCA Race Driver game from the early 2000s with the Ryan Mckane storyline but you obviously know that
i came here after i watched the magny cours video. magny cours is more like brazil in time and flow, and i do get Red Bull ring vibes when i drove the MX5 cup car so yes. it is the japanese red bull ring
To answer your question - No, modern F1 can't and won't return to Okayama. Not just because getting the track up to spec with modern safety standards is a hassle of its own, there's the big issue with logistics. IIRC, even back in the 90s, F1 teams found difficult to get to the track (afterall, that is the reason why they went to Paul Ricard and not Magny-Cours for the French Grand Prix, the circuit is in the middle of nowhere), not to mention the first hospitals and medical centers outside the circuit are pretty far away.
Plus... If Japan would want to host a second race, chances are said race will most likely go to Fuji, even if Toyota isn't involved in the sport, anymore.
Second time's the charm
Make a straight from trun 1 to turn 6 and this is basically the red bull ring.
I often wonder if they should give Motegi a shot. The location would probably do it in, though.
Kinda wish they'd repair the oval and bring back indycars
For the pitlane, they could do a Yas Marina style swap under the track so it comes out on the outside of T1.
I remember this track from one of the old V8 Supercars games, it was quite fun.
That qoute where you said "There's an apex there somewhere" reminds me of the apex marker used at this year's WEC races in Bahrain. Can't remember which corner it was.
As for the actual circuit in this video, even Super Formula forgets this place. They double-headed Motegi and Suzuka this year, rather than double-heading Aida, or even looking for a seventh track.
Great Video, Especially when the Sim Bites Back,, 😀
Good lap by Aidan Millward at Okayama.
Looks like a great salt mining cart track to Max out the load.
Sim racing hardware and software also has some room for safety improvements.
if money wasn't an issue you could easily turn this into a japanese nurburgring, with all that beautiful topography around it. don't just stretch the front staright by a couple hundred feet, go fucking big, like 6 to 8 miles maybe even 10
Has a very Watkins Glen-esgue feel to it
8 seconds quicker than Schumacher's race lap record, but also 4 seconds quicker than Senna's qualifying record.
That took me back! It does have some lovely scenery, but it wouldn't really suit today's big cars.
If you're wondering about other Japanese tracks, what about the bike track (non-oval part) of the Twin Ring at Motegi? Indy went to the oval which suggests it can host a big event, but it's been a while since I've seen any bike racing there and I can't remember if it's big enough for F1. There are some epic moments in history there concerning a certain Signor "Il Dotore" Rossi!
Hope you're better soon. You've been having a rough time of it recently, haven't you? If you feel the need to give YT a break so you can recover, just do it. We won't be going anywhere. Take care of yourself first and foremost! And try not to crash, virtually or otherwise!
Twin Ring Motegi is currently an FIA Grade 2 circuit. While it probably could host F1 with a facility upgrade (and its reasonable proximity to Tokyo) the circuit owners (which happen to be Honda) won't spend that money on the facility when they already have a grade 1 track hosting the Grand Prix (Suzuka). I mean they even bothered fixing the oval after it was damaged in the 2011 earthquake.
It's been mentioned quite a bit but Twin Ring Motegi would be good
I actually really love okayama. It's such a blast in iracing in the series's that i like to drive.
The thing is the series's that i like are advanced mazda, porsche cup, and the open wheelers on the slower side.
So, the cars furthest from modern F1. :/
Could you do a video at Road Atlanta ?
Seeing this hits different after starting iRacing for the very first time last week. It pretty much felt like Groundhog Day: The Track.
And I'm still not out of Rookies yet after 5 races. Agonizingly close though...
I got out of rookies after two races 🤔
@@AidanMillward The rating so far's gone 2.58, 2.67, 2.78, 2.96 and 2.97. Two wins and only one completely clean race. Just Rookie things, I guess.
If they can greenlight Jeddah, they could easily greenlight this(being facetious, obviously). But the comparisons to RBR aren't unwarranted. It feels from this perspective anyway, like a mash-up of RBR and Monaco, minus the bumps, but the layout invokes Barcelona in a way. It certainly would make for an interesting race, come the new regs, even if it was a parade, it'd be a pretty (and fast) one. I see no reason not to bring the pitlane exit to the late-apex, come exit of T1, it's certainly the safest place to make it work, and if the limit line stayed in the same place, they'd basically be up to speed by the time they got to the merge.
As an aside, what is the length from Start Line to T1, it's got to be pushing Spa's record, if not as.. spectacular.
Edit: On second approximation, T2-4 might be a concern, a bit more run-off (using the hill), and puling the walls back so we don't get a new Raidillon, and I think we'd be about there.
From driving point of view, this has been one of my favourites since the good old "Formula 1". Too bad they widened the rather unique esses at the end of sector 1, now it's quite inconsequential, basically a twisty straight. F1 may be too fast, but I'd say it's ideal for slower single seaters and touring cars, i.e. the kind of cars the most popular local series use. But it would be kind of interesting to have a real "max downforce" track on the F1 calendar, since it's slower than Hungaroring, but you still drive at speeds that generate downforce.
Invisible walls vs DD user, who will come out alive in this match up of the century!?
This track is way to small and narrow for today's F1. But for sports car racing? Niccceeeee
Well... They did brought Zandvoort back. I don't see why this track couldn't come back with the same kind of refitting as they did on Zandvoort.
Should Aida come back? Nnnnope. Modern cars are way too long, wide and heavy and too fast for this track. As they are for Zandvoort, too.
"Suzuka and Fuji are the most famous race tracks in Japan..."
*cough cough* TWIN RING MOTEGI *cough* (MotoGP fanbois have entered the chat)
And talking of coughs, hope the chest gets better.
I wonder how long it will be before Aiden has to explain a Doctor at A&E he fractured his fingers sim racing? I never knew the track was called Aida. The first thing I thought was a Verdi opera.
Looks like a really fun track for low powered cars but a silly place to race F1 cars.
(don't know if you can hide the halo but it'd make for a better view if you could)
Yes you can although the setting is a bit hidden
To be honest, I didn't really care for this track as a kid playing this on the original F1 game for the Playstation or watching it and I know I'd have less enthusiasm for it if it were to make a return. Now a full return to the original Osterreichring.....that would be something special (and yes I know that will never happen but if it can be sim'd, I'll watch).
Autópolis could be interesting try.
Nice track but not suited for f1 imo. Would be more suited for WTCC.
Tracks I'd love to see you do in an f1 car would be Thruxton and Croft.
For those complaining about shifting after blue lights. #1 shut up
#2 if you’re doing a career mode where engine wear continues through all races like F1 2021? Yes, shift at or before the blue lights.
#3 shut up
Great track, but feels like a gokart track it's way too small for current F1
I hated this circuit in 1994-95 and 27 years isn't going to change my mind.
I like the first half of the circuit up until turn 6 but the second half is quite bland. The green scenery is a plus but at the same time it prevents any major changes to the track. Not that they need to be made for F1, since Japan has Suzuka and Fuji already.
I still struggle to get why the wheel has to be strong enough to break your fingers.... cant you set an appropriate torque setting that allows you to feel and react realistically without losing an arm every time it feeds back?! I mean even in actual crashes the steering column is likely to break before it sends you the feedback to the wheel and rip your hands in half
My wheel does the exact same if I'm not gripping it. These wheels have exaggerated motion when there's nothing countering the force they make. The sensation it provides is an illusion to feel like a real wheel to trick your brain and in doing so counterintuitively has little relation to how a steering wheel reacts on a real car if unattended. When you're holding the wheel all that motion somehow becomes very subtle.
What happened earlier? It's working now. Anyway, if you could do one of these at mondello I would hit subscribe.
What would Jackie think about it?
He'd probably be cool with it.
Today on Aidan's Wheel Tries to Kill Him.
I think Motegi maybe a better track
How’s the back?
So are you now known as Ayeee-dan?
In all serious, Aida was a realy tight track bck in the 1990s and had appalling weather in at least one of those races. It still looks too narrow for cars to ne honest.
0:55 eibisu, kota, nikko, tsukuba, gunma, minami, motegi, etc ? ok ... maybe not with an F1 ....
You're missing some of the track objects. Change your graphics settings.
No.
Yes. It objectively should. Why wouldn't you?
My only recollection of those 2 GPs is Senna being hit by Mika at T1.
Yes, it was the race right before the fatal Imola one.
Japan has a lot of great venues, just not good for modern F1 cars.
Are you related to Graham Millward?
Motegi would be a good track.
Fuji was not that exciting. Back in the day it was a fast track but with all the clumsy slow corners added it ruined the flow.
Mosport?
Why not.
could a 1985 f1 car handle Oulton Park?
Probably
Looks similar to Jerez. So no, let's hope F1 doesn't return to Aida (and the races in the mid-1990s there were as dull as dishwater)
How about Donington or Brand's Hatch?
A deal with Donnington already fell through in the middle of half the circuit being torn up and ruined to meet F1's Tilke era standards of turning every sweeper into a sharp, single line apex. Brands would need to be defaced beyond recognition to host an event given its lack of runoffs. Same goes for Watkins Glen, etc.
If you love a classic circuit that hasn't hosted a race since the 80's, the last thing you should want is F1 going there.
That was the first episode I did.
“we just went 4 seconds faster than Schumacher what a noob” - how dare you insult Schumi 😡
I don't think that was the point....
Grow up.
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No... too many races in a year as it is which is now a joke
Honestly its one of the dullest tracks ive ever seen,didnt get the urge to try it on a sim,even though ive never seen it,looks like maybe a decent attempt for F4 ,but its like a mini hungaroring and im not the biggest fan of the hungaroring