The True Origins Of The Spartan Soldiers | The Spartans | Odyssey
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- Опубліковано 6 вер 2024
- The Spartan Warrior society is one of the most heavily mythologized features of the ancient world -- but how much is fact and how much is fiction? Bettany Hughes intends to find out.
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Man, these older documentaries are so superior to anything produced today. In every way. Better information. Logical exposition. No misdirection and pretense to create fake drama. Quality editing. Quality cinematography. Great hosts. Why is everything so incompetent in the 2020s?
Millennials get bored way to easy, so they feel they have to jazz it up
And no gender ideology either
Yeah and no cheesy Indiana Jones and internet video clips like when you watch modern day Egypt docos lol
We ask ourselves this every day. We are old enough to know just how much everything has gone to shit in the last 20.
@@blairmarshall544 : What a novel concept, that _anything_ relevant to ancient Lacedaimonian (Spartan) society _needed_ to be jazzed up.
The movie _300_ is not known for its historical accuracy, but one quality it did accurately convey was their “unexaggerateable“ militaristic and religious zeal, they being one of the most extreme cultures that ever existed.
Only know Bettany from when she was on Time Team, but she really is very good at presenting the information in a confident and understandable way
Starting from an extremely young agey mother began teaching me to speak and read Latin. At the time I of course couldn't see the beauty or importance in knowing a language no other kids around me were educated in. However; now I feel privileged to have had an extremely intelligent Mother whose language lessons allowed me the ability to in time have the possibility of easily deciphering so very many languages whose beginnings are traced to Latin. Still I believe the language is absolutely beautiful to the ear.
Had the same luck, it helps me so much now in my thirties. Definitely gonna teach my kids at least the basics if/when I have them
These older documentaries are so much better because they are trying to give you the truth, not some agenda hidden with lies. And real quality. With a beautiful woman to make you want to watch. Not feminism thats agenda changes the truth
I cannot stop watching her all the time. Intelligence, knowledge, and beauty came together in Bettany Hughes.
She is an UNBELIEVER.
@@lauraowen8142 When you say unbeliever do you mean she doesn't believe in your particular religion? If so you must live very very tiny community then Because every sect of any religion is so different from each other no matter how many similarities they have They cannot claim to be all be true.
May God bless Bethany huges. Thank you so much ❤
Thank you so much for uploading this video. It is helping me get through the pandemic!
An excellent and informative episode. Very well done, thank you for creating it!
My gosh,Bettany looks so young,I so remember this documentary as a youngster,I plan my whole day just to see this documentary,didn’t have a video,and DVR hadn’t been yet invented,this is the documentary and the popularity of Bettany’s books that led to the movie ,The 300 to be created,it was all a wonderful rediscovery and a passion for history that Bettany created for the young..
Isn't Bettany a beauty? Even today.
@@rwarren58 I admire her brain more,she certainly revolutionised tv history documentaries
actually the movie 300 was inspired by a Frank Miller comic
We need more of this on the history channel because shows on there have nothing to do with history
They should simply estimate the viewing time of these videos. Like anywhere from 48:36 sec - 2 hrs? I keep rewinding segments over & over again. Fascinating info, great production work..& Bettany H. is stellar! Thank you for posting this!
I know what you mean I'm the same way
I´ve been waiting, what, 15 years to see this series again since I last saw it on its premier on American PBS television!
Thank you, Bettany! Thank you, Little Dot Network! Thank you, UA-cam!
*P.S.:* I hope that episodes two and three are forthcoming.
It's highly unlikely that Bettany Hughes will EVER stumble upon your excessively appreciative sentiments here, in the depths of these UA-cam video comments lol you're probably far more likely to win the local Powerball Lottery, or be struck by lightning on your way to collecting your Powerball Lottery winnings even. 🤣
But, don't let ME dissuade you! I mean, I'm also just some random anonymous dude appearing in the obscurity of these comments myself lol by all means, express yourself all you want!
Who knows, maybe she will read it, and maybe she'll even respond! Making ME the jackass in this scenario instead, am I right?! 😇👍
@@twstf8905 : A jackass you are not -- and certainly of those who go to the bother to write cogent three-paragraph comments.
But neither am I, who genuinely had no intention of currying a personal reply from Dr. Hughes. This may be in part because I already met her -- no, not one-on-one, but I did stand up in the audience of a lecture and asked her a scholarly question, which she duly answered -- but also because it would have been weird to thank Little Dot Network, the media and distribution licence-holder, and UA-cam for hosting this, without obviously thanking the author/presenter herself. I might as well have also thanked BBC Channel 4, who sprang for the cost of a multinational production, and/or American PBS, who made the not-so-difficult decision to pay for redistribution rights. _Etcetera._
I _unashamedly_ dispatch my youthful fascination and respect for her and her documentary series, for having thrilled my imagination so many years ago -- and not just for this production!
_“Excessively,“_ you say. Does this mean that you didn´t like the show?
@@brianhiles8164, Bettany seeing and/or responding to this comment has no bearing on whether buddy is a jackass or not. I'm sure you were shocked to find out she may never read your comment until this helpful gentleman pointed it out. It wasn't mean spirited, still jackass behavior though. I would know, we can smell our own kind.
A jackass actually has more freedom than a stallion it might have to carry the weight but the horse has to run hard break a leg then put out of it's misery 😢 I love Cimarron Caballos that color the mane the boots it's a beauty.
Bettany Hughes has changed, but she is still a Beauty 👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻
Much less distracting therefore far more informative.
This is 20 years old Documentary she is fat women now
Bettany is a very beautiful & inteligent woman regardless her age....
@@danicornea Agreed! :=)
@@ks0434 And I am a fat older man. It happens to most of us. Maybe even you. Older for sure, with luck.
Thank you...much appreciated...in Sparta Tyrtaeus spoke of life where my brother was my lover throughout the ages ruled 😐
This channel is literally my whole fascination thank you so much
The Spartans were a product of a military control police state.
Whatever Leonidas and his 300 Spartans accomplished at the Hot Gates of Thermopolae in 480 B.C., he assured that his name, and the entire story surrounding this drama would ripple out through the fabric of time like a large stone dropped in a still pond.
He came as close as anyone in history to becoming, "immortalized." Better than carving stories in stone, the events have managed to persist in quite exquisite and remarkable detail all the way down through the generations until the present day.
Where people living in every corner of the modern World STILL know and speak his name.
It's about as profound as it gets, really.
What else would be more important to a person, any person, than leaving such a lasting legacy behind, so long after death?
And, it's a distinction reserved for an excruciatingly select few, espescially amongst so many countless billions of human beings who have lived their lives and died going back Millennia.
Each one leaving some small measure of a legacy of their own behind, all accumulating towards the collective knowledge and culture we experience today.
To have contributed his narrative for himself, and everyone with him in life and death, is something so extraordinarily rare that it becomes profound by simple default.
One can only ever hope to leave behind a few scant ripples of our own when we've passed. Through our work, our individual contributions to progress or society, or just with the children we create.
Each one multiplying the chances of our names being further carried into the future, at the very least.
Although it's quite unlikely most people living today will be spoken of at all after only a few more successive generations ourselves, let alone one or two, (or more,) thousands of years down the road, it doesn't make it any less of an accomplishment worth striving for.
Because, even as we live out our seemingly inconsequential lives every day, just trying to survive, and if possible, leave the World a little better for our children than it had been left for us, there are always likely to be that same select few among us who achieve some higher chance of becoming as successfully immortalized somehow.
Whether it's within our own individual power to control, or just something we stumble blindly into.
When History requires names of actual people to be recognized and recorded for posterity, whether those names will be associated with events or circumstances worth being proud of having been associated actually is something that's still safely within everyone's power to control.
It all depends on which side of history one is eager to fall, should their name somehow persist.
If, by some narrow chance, your name is still spoken in another two or more thousand years, with what particular events or circumstances would you prefer it be associated?
Because, such a rare, unique opportunity is only bestowed upon so few every generation, it's arguably the single most important question there is.
Just ask Leonidas, or Xerxes.
One remembered more honorably, as more of a, "protagonist," historically. And the other more an, "antagonist."
But both names remembered and spoken as much, if not more, than almost any other, and both equally assured to continue to be remembered and spoken for the foreseeable future, in virtually every language around the World.
Although the most appropriate, the word; "Profound," is still an understatement.
TWSTF 8
You might wish to read ...The Hot Gates...a half fictional, half historic account of the Persian invasion wherein Leonidas assembles the 300 who will
do battle with the invaders at Thermopylae. An excellent read that you wont soon forget.
The movie 300 was pure shit from a historical perspective.
And yet he might just be a functional figure
His words "Molon Labe" (come and take them) have been used by warriors for century's when being oppressed by foreign lands or corrupt governments the like.
The 300 had help from thousands of greek support troops.
I love Bettany Hughes
From the comments I see here, Bettany Hughes is perhaps more popular for her good looks than for her extensive knowledge of ancient Greek thought and history.
Shut up, Meg
Both are appreciated.
@@Laura-jb6wi Yep :=)
I appreciate both :=)
Could u maybe do one of xerxes n the military training of Persians? I read or heard somewhere he was locked into a courtyard with a spear at night with a male lion that had been starved but I can't find it anywhere. Thanku.
'Spartan' is a state of mind as much as it is a people.
THIS IS SPAAARRRTAA!!
When I was watching this precious documentary, I was thinking how it is possible that we have the best CGI, the best studies, and whatever else, but we are still incapable of creating such a gorgeous documentary like this. This documentary goes straight to the history and origins of an ethnicity, straight to the costumes of real Spartans without any 'woke' censorship. It is presented perfectly by an extremely fascinating woman for her intelligent way of speaking and illustrating archaeological artifacts and the splendor of modern Greece! Maybe we should go back and retake this way of making documentaries instead of ruining everything, as we are doing today.
☠💀☠💀☠💀☠
I’ve got to laugh at “woke censorship” after that principal was forced to resign after allowing 4th graders to see the statue of David and 3 parents (at least!) complained about David being pornographic. Guaranteed they would not take kindly to being called woke 😂
When you watch historic documentaries you will find in comments a huge amount of "experts" who know so much more details about the subject.
That place is a sacred and lasting vibrance that will echo among all ages combined.
None are so fiercely passion driven than the Spartans
as they display the very hallowed ground here they lay not, here they
Stand & Deliver for the whole of humanity to know
of no deeper desire and no higher cause than the fervor to live so richly
and die as wealthy as they lived in their souls.
Here they stand
lasting noble and the truth has always been the freedom they held the breadth of, surely the measure of man itself.
Loved it!
What you smokin my man? 😂😂😂
Stand and deliver is what a highwayman says to his victims while robbing them at gun point. And they weren't noble. They were idiots and bullies. And like most stupid bullies they didn't last long thank God
I don't know why I am facinated with the battle at themopolite.no matter how or who talks about it am there.
I, too, am fascinated with the battle at Themopolite. It's when one Greek enemy, Sparta, helped another Greek enemy, Athens. They were united.
I have such a crush on Bettany.
Love that she's not wearing a bro. Leaves nothing to the imagination
As much as I appreciate this, I can’t get over some of the pronunciation
Lmao
How come?
@@arabjuju9157 Why's that?
@@harunmusa1164 A lot of them are butchered, take it from someone who grew up in the area
Oh wait I don't speak Greek so didn't notice 🤪lol
If you understand ancient Sparta, you probably wouldn't have lived past age 3 there.
SO TRUE.
Not really youd be surprised how different youd be had you been raised there. Granted youre healthy enough you could do most things .
Yo what is the music that plays in the background that ends with the guy screaming?
the actual battle site is on the hill behind you..your walking in ocean 480 b.c. also they found a spartan buried near the hill in full battle armour
Well done. Thank you.
they were 10.000 spartans with the 300 personal bodyguards of leonidas
Not in the Tjermopylae but in Plataie.
Fascinating! Excellent documentary 👏 Very informative and interesting. Well done.
Spartans were Pelasgians-Dardanians!!
@David Burland
Of corse but Dorians came from the North part of today Greece and separated till South.Also by geographic knowleg in North of Greece were the region called Macedonia which once was a Dardanian province and named before"Emathia"(the Great...for this reason after many centuries Alexander took this"surname" remembering his roots).
More on that,in ancient time in specificly area haden't another population exept Dardanians-Illyrians and Thracians. But if we see carrefully by language, the name"Dorian-s"which historians and linguist studier claim that meaning "the powerfull"man,came simply from the word "Dor" which is mean "the hand".
But we know that the hand is the most powerfull piece of human body and this tribe "Dorian-s"came all over Greece in the scheme of the hand.
For example this word "Dor" we find in the plural way as"Dur" for the batteries called "Duracell",which mean "that which give a hand-power".
From another part Dardanians were the people whose came from Dardan who by stories and myths was a Pelasgian, son of Zeus himself and build the city of Troy in Asia Minor.
Dardan was one of the powerfull Pelasgian leader and brother of Phaetion who named the Epirus, Alban,
Celti,Ylli,Europa,Ella etc.
Bravo patriot
@@guritarasi8732 😂😂 not even in Albania universities can take as history your Albanian fantasy fairytale. Keep barking Albanian propaganda professor 😘
Where did you learn all this? At the Flintstones!
@@guritarasi8732 are you high on cheap albanian weed?
Beautiful host, great video very informative.
I look forward to your videos. Very informative and interesting to watch. I'm tired of all the crazy election stuff. It's maddening. This is a good distraction from it all. Thanks for sharing!
I had to turn off main stream news channels. They are competing with internet tabloids for clicks. They figured out polarization and outrage creates the most clicks and ad revenue. It’s not news anymore
Come back with your shield...or on it.
Did Bettany Hughs present the story of Jason and Medea? I should look for that..
Odyssey?? The Iliad is a Greek epic The Iliad recounts the Trojan War, a war fought between the Trojans and the Greeks. The battle was so important that even the Greek gods played a role in the battle Odysseus' 10-year struggle to return home after the Trojan War. While Odysseus battles mystical creatures and faces the wrath of the gods, his wife Penelope and his son Telemachus stave off suitors vying for Penelope's hand and Ithaca's throne long enough for Odysseus to return.
...And Odyssey is also the name of the channel that provided this documentary (as well as many others), for our education and delight. I hope this resolves your apparent confusion. =;o}
2:10 Sparta can boast of the number of gyms named after them
Great video series. Very informative.
does anyone know the name of the song in 7:50??
In a way spartan's were like the star trek's klingon's only more bad ass
It is usually the low quality of the people who are producing the newest documentaries that make them lower quality. No or lower ethics, low or no morals. Very few people left with integrity or honor. Thankfully my time is now short.
Such in a small world they lived
This is Spartaaaaa!!!!!@
3:43 looks azteca 👹
Very tough society and if you weren't healthy or fit to live you we're thrown to the wolves
Homosexuality was compulsory ? WTF I have literally never heard that before.
She just younger like 20 years younger. Lol but she is good.
This man is talking about Frya people.
They were actually some pretty sick mofos👺
If the statue was of the king it’s headdress would of went last to right not front to back!
This lady is in everything, sexifying the info and sharing her beautiful voice.
Betteny Hughes could be a queen telling a story of Sparta... Sexy accent, btw great documentary
Sparta is & was an ABOMINATION.
Child sacrifice.
Sparta had a pretty spectacular propaganda machine, for sure!
Apparently you haven't watched CNN
It’s Called being based
@@lopdizzle9941 you watch tim pool. Lmao literal right wing propaganda.
@@gabe.6273 lol really?.......CNN only tells you two things ....white ppl bad and orange man bad.....so plz miss me with that shit....can you even tell me why Tim pool is right wing or is that just something some leftwing source told you think....can you even think for yourself at this point.
@@lopdizzle9941 bruh who do you think I am. I’m a literal socialist I despise the corporate establishment liberal media. I watch independent media like Krystal & Saagar
When I think of Acient Greece the very first thing in my mind is asking Odysues permission, to punch Pythagoras
,...what the Greeks invented boxing!
This is the documentary that inspired, M ben Z very soon history will tell, how they have lost the UAE.
The Spartans lived on in their colony - Syracuse, Sicily.
Syracuse was not a colony of Sparta.
@@m.k.3197 Yes, the only Spartan colony I'm aware of is Tarentum on the Italian mainland.
This is a very informative documentary. I like Sparta and agree with some of their ways of life. I also like that their men weren't effeminate.
Ещё бы перевод😊
There is no reason to seriously doubt that there was a person, a lawgiver, called Lycurgus, he is well attested in ancient texts, why would she know more than her/our actual sources.
There’s no serious reason to believe there was, other than the Spartans told people there was and those people wrote the story down. I wouldn’t be surprised if he were a “George Washington” figure; a real person mythologized and given a little more credit than they deserve; although old George did not win the revolution or start America singlehanded, if we did not have as an accurate written history of that time as we do, we might attribute all those accomplishments to him 🤷♂️
Love the video but it does glorify the Spartans quite a bit, the intro where Thermopylae is covered it neglects to mention the 700 thespians and 400 thebians that also died to hold the line for the Greek retreat, giving all the glory to the Spartans when in reality the Spartans gained all the glory but lost the least. That's always irked me 🙂
Loved the video regardless and it covers alot more of the Spartan everyday instead of the battles, yes they were fearsome warriors but they actually lost more battles than they won so it's nice to see the other side of them.
@Jason Borne that's kind of my point, they are viewed as being heroes, and are known of the world over, my point is why? Sparta sacrificed the least yet somehow gained the most. Thespiae isn't even a foot note, people havent even heard of them, yet they sacrificed more, they lost everything and thespiae was sacked by the Persians, the thebians not so much as they surrendered on the last day and left the Spartans and thespians to die.
Simply put, the Spartans are massively overrated and they are viewed as heroes (as you have said) but without any real reason to view them as such, you say that Greeks know what they stood for yet the facts don't really back that up, definitely not to the degree they are viewed now.
Thespian award?
@@minkua ...respect morathi! You are right ....I'm learning ..you speak true......thank you.
What the movies fail to mention is that those holding the pass were defeated, and Greece was eventually conquered by Persia. You're right, it's annoying that so many details are not mentioned. The Spartans (and Greeks in general) practiced slavery and pederasty, something omitted (for the most part) by historians.
@@thatguy22441 Greece wasn't conquered by Persia. The Greeks led by the Athenian navy destroyed the Persian navy. And a mixed ground force of Greeks won at marathon
Bethany is a 😘 babe!
Does anyone know when this documentary originally aired?
BBC 200 n something if you had any ads report them or stop paying TV license n Tax
Ginger Oats bbc has really gone to crap since then
10.000 b.c.
@@jamestutton3807 10,000 b.b.c haha
Never thought my homework would quite be like this! I got it bad got it bad so bad I'm Hot for TEACHER!!
Homosexually was “compulsory”. Really?
Interesting that In Athens, Solon’s Laws suggests that things were different in Athens ie any man practising homosexuality was:
- banned from becoming a member of the council of nine;
- was banned from standing for elections as a priest;
- was banned from being a citizen’s advocate;
- was not allowed to exercise power in or outside the city of Athens;
- was not permitted to be sent an emissary of war;
- was banned from expressing his opinions;
- was banned from entering public temples;
- was banned from being wreathed in races;
- was not allowed to enter the agora.
Its the selective Reading of historians they Look at scandals Stories and say IT was all cool. Best example IS elagabulus a teen emperor very scandalous AS hell ,some people make him AS a gay Icon they forget that He was a tyrant, a foreigner oh and after 3 years was killed by the Guard, His corpse was torn Up by the Roman mob,dragged through the streets of Rome and thrown into the Tiber.
I don't know if I've ever heard a statement more spectacularly and perfectly wrong than her comments on how collectivism, particularly forced, magnifies individuality. 😅
She's a product of the university system which is churning out communists
Possible because you are thinking in a modern way.
@@aramisone7198 No.
Persian 4 Eva,eva...👑☝🏼🌉💫
@@billy77511 Our numbers and religion sh't over you're Lil army billy boi. Gotta look@The Facts😂😭☝🏼🌉💫
They are still here,look carefull around Serbia.
Such a hypocrisy of portraying Persian expansion into new territories as evil, while always portraying Greek expansion as natural and beneficial.
Nobody asked Persians to come.
You are right. I saw the same thing about invasion of Egypt. They claim Persians were ruthless trying to expand their empire when but Alexander who captured 70 cities was a remarkable leader. Hypocrisy at its best.
They never mentioned about Cyrus who freed the Jews, gave freedom to people of the cities and didn't kill their leader's.
Persian empire is underrated and their history is twisted.
As an Indian, I commented here so you know that not all people are dumb to belive such lies.
In fact, Persians had reason to attack the greeks. Anyway, long story. let them blunder.
@@naturalFun19 well most sciences and culture we assume standard today were created in greece and were able to spread to the east with alexander and to the west with the romans. Had the persians conquered greece who knows if we would ever discover those things again and be able to evolve as a society the way we did.
@@naturalFun19you are right..they come to Greece for the summer vacations
all war is evil, however, power is absolute maddening.
when more than one frenzies for the thrill of the fight
especially for a presumed justifiable cause, it can cause
many to fight an horrendous war for an assumed justice
"we will slaughter the enemy and take their lands, then the gods will hail us with glory"
"YEAAAAH" says the battle-ready crowd, risking it all for taking.
Expecting riches, resources, innovations, all for personal gains.
Yet, if an enemy invades their land, it's a righteous cause indeed.
There was definitely some look how tough we are type stuff going on there! I mean, don't get me wrong they we're tough?
Could be Sparta society a model to be followed today, I wonder....!?
Yea, it could. But people today have become way to soft. It would take one heck of a change in way of thinking.
I like Free Speech it’s not much different then growing up on a farm in Wisconsin
@@patjohn775 lol Il have to take your word on that amigo.
Jerry Pournelle - "The Mercenary" series.
@@ilikefreespeech3565 lmao ok
Bettany Hughes is gorgeous
Back then, yes.
Discovery channel would rather you watch some crab fishing or gold mining now.
0:46 woah the scamming people religion
If the statue didn’t have woolly hair and bird and long braided hair it is a fake
Ohh no yu did ant☝
Wow! The title of this otherwise awesome program, heralding its official start, doesn't appear on screen until 4:47 in!
Everything up to that point is the usual spoilery-ass, (totally, (and advisably,) skippable,) "coming up, on this episode of..." crap, that we're all perfectly familiar with, by now. Although still seemingly excessive, at the very least, all the same.
(You're welcome. 🤜💥🤛)
Bettany is a platonic ideal.
Its just me then
Platonic, hell! That woman is sexy AF.
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The Spartans may have been a colony of Danites.....the Israelite tribe of Dan.
They were Pelasgians but after many centuries Sparta conquered by the Dardanian trib,Dorians as punishment for the destruction of Troy.
@@guritarasi8732 i didn't no that..thanks
@@jamestutton3807 you welcome
Lots of speculative history in this thread...
Im studying your comment..it was powerful....no one has ever mentioned or suggested that..i believe you are right bro..imma get baxk with ya..you opened up a new study
Winding up tighter and tighter socially appropriate behaviors, until we snap.
I do feel some similarities to the snap into the dark times, to present day society.
Spartan are Vikings they are ionians they satel in Sicily during bronze era
The host would have made a great spartan woman ;)
Spartan 🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱
send your knowledge to every university museum archaeologist linguist scientist library all over world .... Keep barking Albanian propaganda professor
So Sparta was Albanian , funny you are then the only people in the world litteraly that has not mixed with others during thousands of years which is not true.
So we’re did they come from those poor “shepherds”? With another dialect?
I think they killed nearly as many baby girls as they did boys. Reason being, were not the Spartan Women supposed to be the most beautiful and most fit. Well, this means all the ugly girls were murdered as well. I don't think it mattered boy or girl. Any defect would be eliminated.
I am Greek. This ridiculous'background' music always irritates me.
not a greek but same, but it's filler noise for "Introspection" kids who wonder about history in ponder.
"wish I could be a greek god, wish I could climb a pillar, wish I could be a spartan gladiator"
they have to IMPLY these fantasies with Epic but odd Music for you to be intrigued about it's wonders.
Most of these documentaries are guilty of being snoozers for day dreamers to munch history notes.
The way these history documentaries tell of most, it is to make it seem like it was a magic victorious time.
Spartans are from
Male homosexuality was NOT compulsory. Modern woke historians seem to find every ancient culture is perfectly aligned with their contemporary fantasies of how a far left society should be formed.
Well... Hopefully your intentions are good for hosting this video and thank you for that reason!!
But you should have thought that there might be some Greeks as you call as and Hellines as we call ourselves.
You see in history of Hellas the thread was never broken.
The Santorini volcano caused a lot of damage to all agean civilizations including those of Peloponnese peninsula.
But when the Doriees came from the north, ( they were not families with goat's) and they were fierce riders carrying iron weapons, took them a while before concurring Peloponnese and establishing their presence.
The amalgama of the indigenous people and the newcomers created in Laconia, the Doric civilization and in the specific valley of Eurotas river, the Spartan city state.
As for the Parthenon you should have known better because is not an Ionian or Athenian tradition monument, It is the temple of Godess Athena but in Doric architecture and there are more similarities with the Temples in Sparta and the old Mykinae than the Ionan style of Athens buildings. And it is an agknolegment of the greatness of Doric architecture by the Athenians. So not only the Spartans were not lesser than Athenians in anyway, but their aesthetic and conception of art was superior, with less complex but more expressive lines. Saying more with less. Laconiki Tehni. Minimalism!!!!
And whenever you read something in ancient "Greek" please read it right or ask a Greek to read it for you for we still use the same language and it's an "ιεροσυλία", a blasphemy to read something so sacred so wrong. If you hear this sign spelled right while beeng in this place even if you're not able to understand the language you'll fell the strength of these few words with the enormous meaning, and the sacrifice they did for us all.....
So please more respect.....
How could the Doriees have Iron in the bronz age?
Is it weird i find her attractive?
Spartans still exist. Now originating from Dagestan, fighting in the ufc
their was no slavery Spartans were not allowed to own things
But they did inslave helots i think you missunderstood some things , they had the mentality that you don't need fancy things or buildings . Even today people say something is "spartan" simple in other words but they had slaves so they could just train for war and their slaves did all the rest . It comes from antient Greek sources the information.
Ωράιος κάιρος! Χαχαχαχα!!!
Shame on my country for holding on to the Parthenon Marbles. Looted by the heritage thief, Lord Elgin. Return them to their righful place, Athens.
Self sacrifice is to sacrifice yourself, which ultimately is no different than 'suicide.' As for Sparta being sparse of material wealth, promoting homosexuality and promiscuity - this sex 'magic' and spirituality is the Hindu.
The Spartans were slavers, ask the Helots...
The evil spartans