Henry VII: The Secret Life Of England's Most Sinister Monarch | The Winter King | Timeline
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- Опубліковано 29 гру 2023
- Author Thomas Penn takes an extraordinary journey into the dark and chilling world of the first Tudor, Henry VII. From his victory over Richard III at the Battle of Bosworth, to his secret death and the succession of his son Henry VIII, this programme reveals the ruthless tactics Henry VII used to win - and cling on to - the ultimate prize, the throne of England. Exploring magnificent buildings and long-lost documents, Penn reveals the true story of this suspicious, enigmatic and terrifying monarch.
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Thank you for taking me places that I can never go.
Same
Well said
17:53 That painting is of young Henry VIII, not prince Arthur. The painting shown at 48:02 is Arthur. You've got them mixed up.
You've discounted the role of Henry's mother in bringing him to the throne and arranging the marriage with Elizabeth.
You forgot the Queen Elizabeth Woodville had a part of Elizabeth of York marring Henry VII ...they plotted together for that to happen...the house of York had a stronger claim to the throne than the house of Tudor
That is why I love "The White Queen" & "The White Princess"
Margaret Beaufort
Edward VI had the stronger claim to the throne Because he was parternaly and maternaly related to King Edward III 's third and fifth Sons ...Henry VII 's claim weak because he was from illegitimate line of Edward III ' S fourth son John of Gaunt as known as the Duke of Lancaster.....through his Mother Margaret Beaufort..So the only way Henry VII 'S claim was made stronger when he Married Elizabeth of York Daughter of King Edward IV and Elizabeth Woodville..because Margaret Beaufort and Queen Elizabeth Woodville made some kind pact that if Henry became king he would Marry Elizabeth of York
@susanbrand7503 yes exactly
They all wanted this power and fought to get and keep it but it seems every one of them ended up miserable in their life.
As he was dying, Henry VII was obsessed with a guilt about something so terrible that even on his deathbed he couldn't confess it. He kept asking the Archbishop of Canterbury if he would enter Heaven if he died without confessing everything that he had done.
I'm not a fan of the Tudors, but you can't deny that they as a dynasty shaped England (and the UK) for centuries to come.
Actually,they shaped the world. It was only a tyrant like Henry VIII that had the power to go against the catholic church and at that time the catholic church was God. Of course that set in motion the English civil war and the downfall of absolute monarchy,if you can go against,and remove gods representation in the pope,then a king is no bigger matter.
They absolutely suck in an iconic way. Villains of the highest tier.
Every dynasty shaped England in some way
As has been alluded to in other comments,his mother's story is even more extraordinary imo.
He states that in the intro. The entire point of this show is to inform us of Henry’s life in a more intimate way.
What I appreciate about medieval Monarchs is that they actually went out and fought battles! They went out and defended their kingdoms. They’re not just sitting in their castles they’re doing things!
US generals fight from airconditioned offices, 2000 miles away
Presidents and Prime Ministers just expect kids to die for them.
Well naturally, kings were just tribal warlords who had won. And warlords were just gang leaders who had won.
Charles could NEVER
Donald Trump lunged at the driver of the presidential limousine when he wouldn't take him to the US Capitol building when it was under siege by MAGA.
Maybe we should be thankful that those days are gone? 🤔
I'm not a fan of totalitarians just because they "do things."
It’s a shame that Henry VII is overshadowed by his son and grandchildren, if he hadn’t won Bosworth there would have been no tudors
I believe this program is geared to make History geeks such myself more familiar with the obscure Tudor. MUCH appreciated.
Also..if you enjoy excellent dramatization of historical characters, Look up the series "The Shadow Of The Tower. Not only Henry VII is shown, but his mother, The Lady Margaret Beaufort; Elizabeth Of York, who became his Queen; his Uncle, Jasper Tudor; Sir William Stanley, who helped him triumph at Bosworth; and others who are named in this documentary.
The Tudors were the bloodiest bunch of vile monsters to ever sit on the throne. From bloody Harry VIII to Bloody Mary. Elizabeth I was pretty good but her virgin status gave Britain the equally useless Stewarts.
@@katharper655Shadow of the Tower I indeed a great docudrama.
@@terraflow__bryanburdo4547 OH YES! I watch the entire available episodes at least once a year. The script-writing and CASTING are superlative! And everybody keeps their clothing on, too! lol😏
@@katharper655 I might watch it again.
Another fun one is "The Devils Crown" 1978 it's on daily motion
What’s with the comments painting Henry & his mother as paragon’s of evil while Richard was this poor martyred saint? Richard had good qualities AND did shady things to take the crown. Margaret & Henry too. They were all ambitious, products of their times.
They all watch the starz series and think that’s historically accurate😂
@@di3486 Oh yeah. But then there’s the Ricardians. Some are reasonable, but I’ve been called a “Tudor propagandist” & brainwashed … by Shakespeare the last few weeks. 😂Shakespeare’s legacy. Brainwashing.
@@t.l.1610 Imagine being brainwashed by Shakespeare. Wow, that’s the type of brainwashing that is worth having, not social media and starz brainwashing🤣
I mean he probably killed his nephews and was trying to marry his neice... a great guy! 😂
It wouldn’t have been unusual for him to kill his nephews. Though whether he actually did is a matter of debate
I don’t think he had a hunger for power, his mother had that hunger!
Right. But she had it so Henry had to have it too:-).
They were both ambitious. Look what a firm grip Henry had during his reign. That happened just bc mum was ambitious? Not a chance. Margaret was a remarkable woman in her own right btw, but not the sole reason Henry was successful.
Even if he did not hunger after the English throne, Henry had to struggle just to keep from being killed. The cast in his eye was probably genetic because Henry III supposedly had one two. Significantly, Perkin Warbeck, the so-called imposter, also had a cast in his eye.
They were both ruthless @@t.l.1610
After losing his land and titles I think It got to the point where he knew he was a dead man walking so his best and maybe only options was to try and become king. Die fighting for the ultimate glory or stay and live a life of isolation in France. I’m sure it was a easy decision to make really
Always loving these videos, well done lads, looking forward to dive into this one ❤
Henry VII was a descendant of Welsh Royalty and Edward I via Eleanor of England on his father’s side. Describing him as a mere servant suggests he was nothing more than a stable hand.
Excellent narrative. It goes to the heart of this king. I like it, when the historian reveals the core of a historical personality.
Hampton Court Palace was built by Cardinal Wolsey during the reign of Henry viii.
Somewhat ironic that Henry's dreams of a dynasty in Prince Arthur were destroyed by the sweating sickness that some have attributed to the mercenary army that he used to seize the throne from Richard. Once that victorious army entered London, after Bosworth, it wasn't long before the first major recorded outbreak of 'The Sweat' hit England, killing thousands. It would come back to hit poor and rich alike for the next 66 years, including the twin sons of Henry's son-in-law, Charles Brandon, Duke of Suffolk (he who was also the son of Henry's standard bearer at Bosworth!).
I’m not a huge fan of the royal family. But I do like learning the history about them . We can’t change history but can learn from it
The Windsors aren’t related to the Tudors.
@@Liam_PeacockNo, they're not.
The Windsors are direct descendants of Henry VII's daughter Margaret and also the last 2 monarchs have also been descended from his other daughter Mary and possibly have an illegitimate descent from Henry VIII
@@therightarmofthefreeworld4703 they’re maternal decendants.
I’m not sure that Thomas More would agree that Henry VIII was an improvement over Henry VII.
Not eventually, no.
Don't think just about everyone henry vlll knew would
Henry VIII was a terrible King, yet he likely had the greatest influence on English history since William.
The Tudors were quickly followed by the Fordors and then the Hatchbacks.
There it is!
"Henry Tudor- but how did he chew her?"
Let's not for get the Convertibles ruled before the Hatchbacks, which may I add, had a strong connection to Japan, creating havoc in not yet discovered America!
@@markblix6880 said Ann
Evidently you are a Bored of the Rings fan. And who isn't?
A fascinating period and well explained by the historian
Wonderfully presented. The lessons of this dynasty resonate both forward and backward in time; a chill ran up and down my spine as I was watching this.
It's actually from a 2013 BBC series called : (The Tudor Court S01 E03 Henry VII Winter King). The series had four episode in total.
@@straingedays Thank you for the tip!! Happy New Year to you🥳
Very well said.
And yes thanks for the tip! to you the other commenter!
What a over exaggeration a chill ran up and down my spine 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@firesideshats ☺✌That's AN over exaggeration.
I love history, to know why things are like they are now, how the people before shaped what legacy we all live In today
Excellent program and I learned a lot too!
Thank you.
I love this period of history.
You have presented each person with his/her own personal wants/desires, yet not giving in to suppositions, or ideas not supported by facts.
Most excellent research and
narration.
Loved it.
The Tudors were Welsh. The present Welsh flag is the Tudor family banner with a red dragon on it.
The Tudor name is Welsh. This is where the dynasty originated. The Welsh are a Celtic people. However, all of the Tudor monarchs spoke English as their first
language and had a great deal of
Anglo-Saxon and French ancestry in
their genealogies.
Llewellyn the Great's revenge on the Plantagenets!
My interest of William I to Charles III.. I have come to the conclusion that Henry VII is arguably the biggest reason that England became the powerhouse that dominated the world. 130 years of wars and he cleaned it all up (relatively). He sorted out the monarch/army’s dependence on the parliament. He made the crown wealthy in its own right. He gave relative peace and raised crown funds from mostly the wealthy. He wasn’t spending silly amount either but he did jump on paying for things such as reaching the Americas 2nd after Spain. Forward thinking yet conservative.
Also importantly and what distinguishes him from say Henry 2nd or Edward 3rd or Henry 8th.. Henry 7th nailed succession and gave decent chance of first properly English dynasty without creating a situation of immediate infighting or ridiculous wars
In my mind Henry Tudor is the king who made England into the power it became more than any other single monarch.
Henry VII Edward I William III Elizabeth I is my current Mount Rushmore of monarchs that made England and Britain successful in relative terms to other monarchies.
Bore off mate
His wife played an important role too, since her claim to the throne was stronger, their marriage strengthened his.
She was the older sister of the Edward V and Richard, Duke of York, the "Princes in the Tower".
Which is why he refused to crown her until after his own coronation, to make it clear it was his own right both by his descent from John of Gaunt, and by conquest. His mother-in- law, Elizabeth Woodville, was packed off to a convent when she tried to interfere and backed Perkin Warbeck. She was only allowed to visit for Christmas in the grounds, "I have a mother and only need one mother-in-law..." which must be the earliest recorded mother in law joke.
Her lineage was his ONLY valid claim to the crown.
@@fruitiusmaximus925 Right of conquest was still a thing in England at the time, so there's that.
@@janegardener1662 fair point, though it would still earn you the name Usurper if you were not seen as having a valid claim of lineage to even challenge a king in battle.
Thank you, i love the Tudor period. Very intersting video, i enjoyed its content immensely.
That was brilliant, really enjoyed that
I feel that this is a rather miserly account of Henry's achievements. Given the turbulence of the times, his paranoid autocracy was probably unavoidable. The alternative would have been continuing bloody and disruptive civil wars. His son and his grandchildren were equally brutal in securing the throne, so I for one don't judge him too harshly.
But he should also be given credit for modernising the fiscal system, developing commerce and trade, reducing the disruptive power of the nobility and patronising scholarship and the arts. He also largely avoided ruinous entanglements in France.
So he ushered in a period of relative peace and prosperity, creating the foundations of the modern centralised state.
I did not know of the extent of Henry’s ruthlessness. I’ve re-thought my opinion of him as a king. I can understand why he was such a suspicious man. but not extorting money from the nobles and even worse from his hardworking subjects. Thank you.
Sadly, history has shown us over and over again, that it takes a ruthless autocrat to end a civil war.
At least he did not kill them in droves.
The clock tower looks really magnificent after its restoration. I expected the dial to have a more royal blue color.
Fabulous! Thank you - what a great presenter, much more my style..this fella knows how to tell a story. I didn't know that about the date change, I'd still turn out for Richard the Third, I love that Duke of Gloucester.
According to the narrator, Thomas More's words about a "happy life" were in fact fulfilled though briefly
I’m quite a fan of Henry VII, and many of the Tudors. For the first time in history,he seemed to actually bring a sense of stability, dedication and a great organization to Britain.
People can say what they wanna say about this king but obviously he was very intelligent and business minded. He knew just how to deal with the rich and wealth of england when they got out of hand......ATTACK THEIR POCKETS!!!!🤷😎
Fantastic documentary. Thank you for posting this.
So many Henrys ! 🤯I cannot untangle them all ! It's a madhouse ! A MADHOUSE !
I enjoyed that. Thank you.
And he seemed such a nice fellow in Sir Lawrence Oliviers version of Richard the Third, heh!
Very good. Thank you.
Excellent documentary. 👍
Really well told.
Why wouldn't he be suspicious. Henry VII was just another plotter in a long series of plotters to secure the crown for themselves or their family.
Well done!
Truly excelent.
Thanks. 🙏
Sinister? Really? He showed more character than his son ever showed.
This had a real Empire Strikes Back ending, didn't it?
Very good!
Great story!
I love Toby and his work with Todd at Todd's workshop. I always thought it was hilarious that an American is in charge of the of the wallace collection. stick it to the brits
Fabulous content & narration!
This is so interesting and well done! I never knew about Henry VII. He looks like----well, I wouldn't cross him! At the same time he seemed to have truly loved his wife and son whereas Henry VIII was a complete psychopath. And I admire anyone who makes beautiufl buildings. The presenter is extremely enjoyable! Great storytelling!
It was an informative and wonderful historical coverage documentary about Henry VII monarch..in Britain 🇬🇧 from 1485 and going forward 👍🏻
England
Awesome
They keep releasing this doco the book the winter King is awesome
It was necessary for Henry 7 to be the first Two Door king, because his younger son, the most memorable in English history, extended his circumference in his later years. This most memorable king, Henry VIII, fathered England's most memorable queen, Elizabeth 1.
Totally riveting🌹
Where Henry VIII would go after your head (there is a disputed claim that he signed 77,000 death warrants in the course of his reign), his father Henry VII would go after your wallet. The father terrorised the English establishment more than the son.
Henry the 8th was worse 😂
Henry 8 went after women, so the men were fine with not being under scrutiny for once unlike life under his dad.
@@thaloblue Wouldn't surprise me. Women were just brood mares then.
Owen Tudor was not simply a chamber servant
Really interesting
Excellent video
I read years ago that Henry VII had been given the sobriquet "The Fox," but now I can't find any reference to that. Anybody know?
Excellent
As a Canadian, I was under the impression that Henry VIII was England's Most Sinister, (Left Handed), Monarch. Yes Sinister actually means "of or on the left side; left". Dexter is the opposite of sinister "of or on the right side; left". Makes you think, eh?
No.
The bizarre superstition against left handed individuals is so dumb.
There is a bit of time discrepancy of Hampton Court Palace the great hall and adjoining rooms shown in this video was not built until 1514 for Cardinal Wolsey 5 years after the death of Henry VII. Then in 1529 Wolsey gavel the palace to Henry VIII. So Henry VII never set foot in this building as shown in the video. Yes palaces were built as described room after room and I’m sure he is correct in stating that the closer you got to the king the more important you were.
Superb material and presentation from Thomas Penn ... he should perhaps lash out and buy a new pair of shoes, although they do look very comfortable (8:45)
Your right..their trashed!
Threads of this past are running through the trumpet -who- wants- to- be-king
Too many adverts. At one point there was only one! Sentence between two adverts. Ridiculous
Sounds like Machiavelli would have loved Henry 7
What an operator, a Welshman, major alliances, married Elizabeth of York and building up cash reserves and providing stability in the dawn of the age of exploration and humanism of Erasmus
Money which Henry 8th squandered
@willhovell9019 great summary ✅💯
Edmund Dudley, the executed extorting grandfather of Robert Dudley, favorite of Elizabeth I.
You are the only historian I have heard acknowledge the fact that the illegitimate Beauforts were barred from inheriting the throne. Even Edward IV and Richard III’s grandmother was a Beaufort. However the Yorkists lineage was through two of Edward III’s progeny whereas the Lancastrians was from the usurpation of Richard II’s throne by Henry IV. IT IS VERY SELDOM THAT THIS POINT IS MADE. Fantastic documentary, however seeing you in those archives in Westminster worries me. In these volatile times in which we live where history seems not to be valued, I worry that those beautiful manuscripts of our history could so easily be destroyed, especially by fire.
Thank you for clarifying the lineage and stating the fact that that *point is very seldom made.
Me in gym stopping workout and corner myself to check the output of the battle.
they got inside the cage of the winter king's tomb.
that doesn't just happen for anyone.
I am of the opinion that the paranoid, mercurial fragility of mind
that all the Tudors displayed was the result
of a previous melding of two rival families.
the Lancastrians and the Valois.
Hank7's great-grandmother, Catherine, was the daughter of the Valois king
who thought he was made of glass.
this fragility was also on full display in his numerical predecessor,
Hank6.
His mommy connived it for him. 😂😂😂
I have been saying for years that Henry Tudor is far more a great man in history than his son.
He was the last English King to take the crown in battle.
It's like Edsel Ford being lorded and forgetting about Henry, the father of modern motoring.
Ducked down amid his knights , while Richard III swung his ax.
You've got that wrong. His 2nd son was the most sinister and his 1st granddaughter was more sinister than her grandpa. And Henry VII killed off the murderous and ruthless Richard III. And Henry was stingy but left the Monarchy in good fiscal shape. So he may have been ruthless and sinister, but not the most. And you had to be brutal to be a monarch anyway.
its mentioned the civil war , between yorkist & lancastrian cousins,
across not just england, but ireland & wales,...
nathen amin ,has a book on the tudor origins and the house of beaufourt...
Man in gumboots--- ooh, look- clouds! Ponderous music. Man walking.... Streuth- GET ON WITH IT A 30 minutes material padded to an hour
Henry VII, the usurper, is the person who had the very best motive to kill Edward V and his little brother.
pretty much, with his very few and illegitimate drops of royal blood, he had the biggest motive to dissapear those 2 kids to establish his own (and horrific) royal line
His son, grandson and granddaughters had a profound influence on English, British and Scottish History!
2 cars colliding at 50 mph each has an impact of 100 mph for each car.
Gotta be like at least fourth or fifth time this channel has uploaded this documentary lol
Henry VII was England's most "sinister" Monarch? I feel like to be able to make a statement such as that, one has to know almost nothing about any Monarch OTHER than Henry VII. Also, "disorientating" is not a word.
I always thought that Henry VIII was "England's most sinister monarch." Wasn't he the one who was killing anybody who looked cross-eyed at him, especially his wives?
Like they said, H7 was absolutely neurotic but overshadowed by his son and his granddaughters.
I would argue that Mary was the worst of the Tudors.
How is Winchester "the legendary seat of Camelot"? Never heard that before. Camelot was Camelodenum, the original Roman capital of Britain - and its in Essex. Apart from that, a great video.
Theres a few different theories. Winchesters, Cornwall, Wales. Some think he was Roman, others Celtic or Saxon.
@@cambs0181 He might have been born Anatolian, but he was definitely ROMAN. That's what it was all about - restoring the Pax Romana. And the historic and symbolic capital of Roman Britain was Camulodenum. Hence Colchester is definitely Camelot. All other theories are random garbage that ignore the historical context.
You're such a good artist 😍
The Tudors were megalomaniacs…just like all royalty back then.
I find it odd that we should be upset about Henry VII having a less ‘legitimate’ claim to the throne. As if being born a son of someone was any great way to choose a leader, or in any way resulted in good governance.
I am unfamiliar with this presentator but he does seem intent on portraying Henry VII in a bad light. Especially vs Richard III.
And he doesn’t present enough sources for his information. So much of history depends upon the perspective of who wrote it down.
Conquest is a legitimate claim to the throne.
Richard III had the princes in the tower overshadowing his reign.
In the game of thrones, you win or you die.
Seems like a lot of royals are still that way
He had no legitimate claim. He was a usurper and a joke. He knee that he was a joke which is why he was so paranoid, he was a fraud
500 and something years of hindsight, revolution, evolution and change means we often find it difficult to truly understand our ancestors.
Gadfly here 🤫. Oh…how the world turns 🌍. Henry VII becomes king. The results of a prefect storm ⛈️
Off-topic, but someone refer this host to a tailor! Those bunchy pants are at least 4” too long, ludicrous for a suit.
Not so much the "Golden Henry" of Shakespearean myth.
Shakespeare was a tudor-era artist. Of course he was going to make the current queen’s granddaddy look good.
I wonder, had Arthur lived, would he have been Arthur the first, or second 🤔
And what kind of King he would have been.
He would have been the first- there was no king named Arthur before.
Just King Arthur. England hadn't had a King named Arthur before.
First.
My question is how weak was Richard the Thirds reign that one battle could decide the issue. Yes if he died in battle that's bad...but a strong monarchy with succession could have overcome that....what was different here?
Richard 3 did not have a clear successor. His only son and wife had died.
Well someone just said something admirable about Henry the eighth. That doesn’t happen often.
The Spider King - Thomas Costain
They call Henry vii a usurper. It seems that whoever was the most powerful held the throne starting back to 1066, so how can he be a usurper?
What I found most interesting is that Henry VII changed the date of the Bothwell victory by making it one day earlier. Thus allowing everyone on Charles side in the battle to be charged with treason. Eliminating almost all of his enemies in one simple day.
@terri348 it was Bosworth not Bothwell and the opposing king was called Richard not Charles
Henry had no legitimate claim by blood. William I actually had a blood claim to the throne, whereas Harold had a rich daddy and friends in high places.
Both battles (Hastings and Bosworth) were decided by the death of the king.
What song is it at 9:00?
He did not imprison them. All monarchs went to the tower before their coronation. It was an oral palace with royal apartments.
IMHO he was raised by a ruthless religious fanatic who was obsessed with making her son King of England. Some may see a connection between the extreme grimness of them both to the eventual frivolity and gaiety Henry VIII insisted upon.