completely agree!!! show line dogs just end up with back and hip issues. It was never what the breed was meant to be. I have working lines from Germany and I could never see me owning other dogs. Amazing with family, stable, reliable, predictable and willing to protect.... Amazing animals!!
two working dogs from Kraftwerk and they were both spectacular dogs. Solid as a rock temperament, great with my kids, great with other dogs, very very obedient. I miss them greatly.
Sitting here with my 14 week old Working Line German Shepherd, just excited to see what all he is capable of with the right training. I'm already proud of how far he's already come in the 2 weeks I've had him.
Have a 6yr old male Working Line. Amazing animal. The focus, intensity and total immersion into everything going on is shocking if you have not been around one before. They are on another level with their innate protection and situational awareness. So teachable, smart and willing to work yet calm and mature enough to make the right decision. If you have not been close to a big male and their dragon-like bark - you should 😁 it will put the fear of God in you -fast !
I had a western GSD work line, her name was CoCo. She was an escape artist. Tracked me down with no problem, very intelligent, could open the the screen door, loved to play in the woods, loved being outside in any weather, and was just an all around damn good dog. See ain't let anyone in the yard except my family or my friends she seen me interact with daily. She could tell when I was close to home when I was walking. Before my car days. Lol she was her max healthy weight, no health issues, great fur, great teeth. She would not leave my side and if I told someone to hold her while I walked off, she would wine and immediately come to me asap.😂 she'd hunt/kill small animals, and got along with other dogs. The only time she ain't like a human or another dog was if they energy was off or I didn't like them/the dog. So yes I approve of getting one if you love GSD, they're loyal asf, hard working, and simple to train/up keep.
I have a female working line from old Czech working lines and omg she's amazing with the the family and children but this is serious protection dog and when I say that mean really really serious!! Like believe me when I say she's absolutely devoted and not to mess with when it comes to how serious a dog can protect! Shed run towards a lion fearlessly one hundred percent no fear whatsoever. Beautiful dog but shed absolutely tear you to shreds if you came over her premier. When you hear this dog bounce off the fence like she does trust me no man or bear or anything will fuck with her. If a Pitbull or cane corso strolled into the garden they'd instantly be in trouble and she's absolutely relentless in how she payrolls. Honestly people I'm being serious I'm not joking here whatsoever. There a serious serious protection dogs when you see the temperament of a true protective shepherd.
Going on our 5th German Shepherd, 4 were working, our last was a show. What difference in purpose. Our last "showdog" was possibly the most beautiful and sweetest dog Ive ever known or seen especially in GSD category. Protection was out the windown but thats another story..LOL. My only concern as of late has been the rise in disease. Our last two both had Degenertive Mylopathy, very hard on everyone. The show dog ALSO had EPI and Perinal fistula, he was dealt a bad card but such a loving boy, we miss. Our next will be a black working gsd, I look fwd to the training. Nice video.
@@warningsigns4526 Vaccines have nothing to do with degenerative myelopathy, which is the K9 equivalent of human ALS, the same mutated SOD-1 gene is involved passed on along familial lines.
My show line shepherd is 11 year old jump in and out of my van with no problems still does a full bite on a sleeve and with not let anyone in the house or yard What can a working line do better?
Simply put, a show dog is better for a less experienced owner, and a working dog is for a more experienced/active owner. You can have them do the same things, and the show dog will do it but the working dog will have better results because it’s desire to work is stronger. If you’re used to show/companion dogs you could find a working dog annoying because they just want you to give them something to do
Если вашу собаку сравнить с рабочей немкой в работе, тогда бы вы увидели разницу. Шоу менее выносливые, менее быстрые, им мешают лапы для сильной скорости и сильного удара с прыжка, с возрастом шоу приобретают артроз клстного аппарата из - за неправильного телосложения, и сила укуса намного меньше, т.к. челюсть зауженна и сильно вытянута, интеллект тоже ниже, отвага хуже, психика неустойчива, ,рабочий немец прыгает в обрыв без раздумья и будет драться до последнего, ему это нравиться. Для обычного обывателя подойдёт и шоу, для специальной работы или спорта шоу не подойдёт. Шоу просто нельзя так нагружать даже, чтобы раньше времени не усугубить ее проблемы с костным аппаратом.
I'm curious why Wayne Curry still buys showline GS. Please enlighten us Wayne. I love watching your videos though. And I think your studs are topnotch. I'd like to see the full grown progeny bred by Kraftwerk K9--their temperament, stability, nerves, agility, etc. I've only seen puppies but no adult Kraftwerk product.
Probably because some people cannot handle the working lines it's just too much dog for them so he tries to get show ones that are the healthiest to sell to families. Same thing that Taylor Made Working Dogs does
I have had showlines and every single one of them have been able to jump in the back of my truck. My showline also climbed up the walls as I just seen in your videos as my best friend has a working line. The showline is just as stable and trusting. Showlines are wonderful dogs they are not as intense as working lines. But absolutely just as stable. My showline did EVERYTHING my friends working line did just not as intense. I have brought her everywhere and she handled every situation with incredible stability. So I don’t think this is a fair video at all… showlines do way more then run around the ring…
Not every showline is the same. Some are healthier than others. But the tendency goes to the negative with showlines. A dog has to have a staright back, period.
I have 1 Showline who will be 10 in December that thinks she is 2. She has been a turbo her entire life. I have always had to supply her with jobs to entertain her brain. She loves doing Scent work and competing in trials. She is very healthy, is OFA and PennHip cert and has had I believe 5 different dna tests done. She comes from the Ursus von Batu / Larus von Batu line.
“I brought them all back at 8 weeks of age” so from Germany to USA or anywhere that involves travel is not recommended for the welfare of the puppies let alone being illegal to my knowledge. This is what causes problems with dogs long term. Too young. 16 weeks plus is suggested
I have 5 German Shepherds and have both Show and Working. I and another breeder outcrossed the lines. Most people don't have the time, patience , or training knowledge for a working line, but what a working line brings to the picture is better health genetically. Better structure, more stable mind. Yes, most people want the Showline, and all of our dogs are from Germany or near Germany, but you still can risk getting a dog genetically weak in health. We always did x-rays and DNA testing before we bred and never had a problem with a single working dog or pup we brought over but had several Showline that had heart murmurs and several with bad elbows. Those were altered and given away free without a health guarantee. Breeding, unfortunately, is a tough business, so don't plan on becoming rich. The goal was to provide a mentally sound, healthy pup that had the desire to learn but wasn't so over the top that a regular person couldn't handle it. We didn't want our pups ending up in the shelter. Obviously, not every pup turned out, looking like a red/black Showline. Some ended up looking more sable, looking bi, having blanket backs. We ended up with several pups growing up to go through training and get certified as service animals and have a ton of them being involved in competition sports. I just got an email that a female pup from my final litter before I retired is currently ranked the 12th fastest German shepherd in AKC FastCat!!!! She also finished her testing and is now a certified therapy dog and competes in AKC Scent trials. Yay! Makes this German Shepherd Grandma proud. 🐾
Do your dogs protect livestock at yoour farm too? They say that you need other breeds as livestock guardian dogs. What's your experience with predators in your farm and how your GS deterred them?
@@yolysun7420 Things are really busy right now. We have a lot of coyotes and bobcat..My dogs have in the past killed several of each. Right now I have one elderly k9 who I will care for till she passes and she will not tolerate another dog. I had a flock of domestic blue slate turkeys and the bobcats tried constantly to get at them . One of my dogs would sit on the porch and watch while the other slept. When the dog on watch went off I would grab a gun and by then the other dog was outside. I try to get a pair male and female both nuetered.I never lost a bird. When Tank passed away and Lucy's age caught up to her I lost all 30 birds in a single summer even with my guns. We also have occasional cougars I still remember a foggy night during my first year on the farm. Both dogs refused to go outside even for toilet without an escort. You can bet I had both my AR and my 1911 and was looking through a thermal gunsight for any heat source lol.
@Philip Briney--thanks so much for responding. I know that GS can kill coyotes. I didn't know they are able to kill bobcats as well. I think GS, even working lines, are no match for a cougar. I'm guessing you'll need at least a pack of four GS just to deter a cougar. It's reassuring to know that GS can protect the farm just ljke a LGD was meang to do. Do you have wolves in your area and have your dogs fought w/ wolves? And having an AR and 1911 always help. Preserve the 2nd ammendment! LOL. Thanks again.
I think working GSD and show GSD should be considered different breeds. The goals and standards are completely different so why not let them diverge in peace.
This video isn’t that accurate as far as what show lines do lol! My show line has tons of energy , LOVES the outdoors and is extremely protective, also she jumps 6 foot fences
Don't like show line gsd's. Not right it's like breeding children to be in wheelchairs. Sound body and temperament are just as important, but you can fix/work with crazy not with crippled.
I was just about to say, "What's up with the music?" But then I realized it was a music video, and this guy was just randomly talking about dogs. Can't wait for the remix.
I don't understand. I do not think there is one single thing that is attractive about the shoreline dog. Maybe the coloring but that's it. They are not functional animals. Pretty much guaranteed to be lame at an early age. It's disgusting what they have done to the German Shepherd. I have a female German shepherd guide dog. She has a flat back. The sloped back dogs are not even sound enough to be a guide dog.
completely agree!!! show line dogs just end up with back and hip issues. It was never what the breed was meant to be. I have working lines from Germany and I could never see me owning other dogs. Amazing with family, stable, reliable, predictable and willing to protect.... Amazing animals!!
two working dogs from Kraftwerk and they were both spectacular dogs. Solid as a rock temperament, great with my kids, great with other dogs, very very obedient. I miss them greatly.
Sitting here with my 14 week old Working Line German Shepherd, just excited to see what all he is capable of with the right training. I'm already proud of how far he's already come in the 2 weeks I've had him.
Going to see a 10 week old working line gsd tomorrow. Any advice for a first time owner?
@@andrenicholson6538you must Look the parents and gradparents than you can see a good Line or bad line
I love my 8 month old working line German Shepherd! 😍
Have a 6yr old male Working Line. Amazing animal. The focus, intensity and total immersion into everything going on is shocking if you have not been around one before. They are on another level with their innate protection and situational awareness. So teachable, smart and willing to work yet calm and mature enough to make the right decision. If you have not been close to a big male and their dragon-like bark - you should 😁 it will put the fear of God in you -fast !
I'm so glad I found your channel!
Love German shepherds.
Same here love the working line , best dog ive ever had.
I had a western GSD work line, her name was CoCo. She was an escape artist. Tracked me down with no problem, very intelligent, could open the the screen door, loved to play in the woods, loved being outside in any weather, and was just an all around damn good dog. See ain't let anyone in the yard except my family or my friends she seen me interact with daily. She could tell when I was close to home when I was walking. Before my car days. Lol she was her max healthy weight, no health issues, great fur, great teeth. She would not leave my side and if I told someone to hold her while I walked off, she would wine and immediately come to me asap.😂 she'd hunt/kill small animals, and got along with other dogs. The only time she ain't like a human or another dog was if they energy was off or I didn't like them/the dog. So yes I approve of getting one if you love GSD, they're loyal asf, hard working, and simple to train/up keep.
I have a female working line from old Czech working lines and omg she's amazing with the the family and children but this is serious protection dog and when I say that mean really really serious!! Like believe me when I say she's absolutely devoted and not to mess with when it comes to how serious a dog can protect! Shed run towards a lion fearlessly one hundred percent no fear whatsoever. Beautiful dog but shed absolutely tear you to shreds if you came over her premier. When you hear this dog bounce off the fence like she does trust me no man or bear or anything will fuck with her. If a Pitbull or cane corso strolled into the garden they'd instantly be in trouble and she's absolutely relentless in how she payrolls.
Honestly people I'm being serious I'm not joking here whatsoever. There a serious serious protection dogs when you see the temperament of a true protective shepherd.
Going on our 5th German Shepherd, 4 were working, our last was a show. What difference in purpose. Our last "showdog" was possibly the most beautiful and sweetest dog Ive ever known or seen especially in GSD category. Protection was out the windown but thats another story..LOL. My only concern as of late has been the rise in disease. Our last two both had Degenertive Mylopathy, very hard on everyone. The show dog ALSO had EPI and Perinal fistula, he was dealt a bad card but such a loving boy, we miss. Our next will be a black working gsd, I look fwd to the training. Nice video.
did you vaccinate - reading that the overload of vaccines are not good
@@warningsigns4526 just the required vaccines. All diseases were genetic.
@@warningsigns4526 Vaccines have nothing to do with degenerative myelopathy, which is the K9 equivalent of human ALS, the same mutated SOD-1 gene is involved passed on along familial lines.
@warningsigns4526 as a veterinarian student, not vaccinating is the WORST you could do, be responsible
Make sure the parents of your next dog are both OFA genetic and osteo tested, a reputable breeder will be happy to show you their health certificates.
I wish if could I have my dream German Shepherd
The music in the background while the dude is speaking is really unnecessary
It was really distracting
Long live the working line German Shepherd
So you explained that showlines can't jump properly or carry dumbbells. How do any of those dogs get IGP titled then?
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Awesome video, thank you! Having a Working Line GSD is what you get when you want more than just a dog.
Technically, the German showline German, shepherds are not just a confirmation show dog, but they’re also a working dog therapy and using in igp
My show line shepherd is 11 year old jump in and out of my van with no problems still does a full bite on a sleeve and with not let anyone in the house or yard
What can a working line do better?
I don't hate showlines but according to statistics based on health testing, working lines have better health testing results
Look at that dog in this videos spine compared to the working line. Show lines are genetically degenerate, unfortunately its just a fact.
Simply put, a show dog is better for a less experienced owner, and a working dog is for a more experienced/active owner. You can have them do the same things, and the show dog will do it but the working dog will have better results because it’s desire to work is stronger. If you’re used to show/companion dogs you could find a working dog annoying because they just want you to give them something to do
Если вашу собаку сравнить с рабочей немкой в работе, тогда бы вы увидели разницу. Шоу менее выносливые, менее быстрые, им мешают лапы для сильной скорости и сильного удара с прыжка, с возрастом шоу приобретают артроз клстного аппарата из - за неправильного телосложения, и сила укуса намного меньше, т.к. челюсть зауженна и сильно вытянута, интеллект тоже ниже, отвага хуже, психика неустойчива, ,рабочий немец прыгает в обрыв без раздумья и будет драться до последнего, ему это нравиться. Для обычного обывателя подойдёт и шоу, для специальной работы или спорта шоу не подойдёт. Шоу просто нельзя так нагружать даже, чтобы раньше времени не усугубить ее проблемы с костным аппаратом.
@@life-pd7ds2io4f у кого вы покупаете рабочих немцев?
Another awesome video thank you
Good video. One suggestion for future videos is to not have the background music. It's very distracting. Thanks.
I'm curious why Wayne Curry still buys showline GS. Please enlighten us Wayne. I love watching your videos though. And I think your studs are topnotch. I'd like to see the full grown progeny bred by Kraftwerk K9--their temperament, stability, nerves, agility, etc. I've only seen puppies but no adult Kraftwerk product.
Probably because some people cannot handle the working lines it's just too much dog for them so he tries to get show ones that are the healthiest to sell to families. Same thing that Taylor Made Working Dogs does
Agree totally temperament comes first.Then intelligence.
I have had showlines and every single one of them have been able to jump in the back of my truck. My showline also climbed up the walls as I just seen in your videos as my best friend has a working line. The showline is just as stable and trusting. Showlines are wonderful dogs they are not as intense as working lines. But absolutely just as stable. My showline did EVERYTHING my friends working line did just not as intense. I have brought her everywhere and she handled every situation with incredible stability. So I don’t think this is a fair video at all… showlines do way more then run around the ring…
Not every showline is the same. Some are healthier than others. But the tendency goes to the negative with showlines.
A dog has to have a staright back, period.
I have 1 Showline who will be 10 in December that thinks she is 2. She has been a turbo her entire life. I have always had to supply her with jobs to entertain her brain. She loves doing Scent work and competing in trials. She is very healthy, is OFA and PennHip cert and has had I believe 5 different dna tests done. She comes from the Ursus von Batu / Larus von Batu line.
@@gsdmom1194A dog has to have a straight back. Period!!!!
@@flyingpuma9729standard calls for a straight back
@@Mr.PP1979sit down and be quite
“I brought them all back at 8 weeks of age” so from Germany to USA or anywhere that involves travel is not recommended for the welfare of the puppies let alone being illegal to my knowledge. This is what causes problems with dogs long term. Too young. 16 weeks plus is suggested
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Work line WIN
I have 5 German Shepherds and have both Show and Working. I and another breeder outcrossed the lines. Most people don't have the time, patience , or training knowledge for a working line, but what a working line brings to the picture is better health genetically. Better structure, more stable mind. Yes, most people want the Showline, and all of our dogs are from Germany or near Germany, but you still can risk getting a dog genetically weak in health. We always did x-rays and DNA testing before we bred and never had a problem with a single working dog or pup we brought over but had several Showline that had heart murmurs and several with bad elbows. Those were altered and given away free without a health guarantee. Breeding, unfortunately, is a tough business, so don't plan on becoming rich.
The goal was to provide a mentally sound, healthy pup that had the desire to learn but wasn't so over the top that a regular person couldn't handle it. We didn't want our pups ending up in the shelter. Obviously, not every pup turned out, looking like a red/black Showline. Some ended up looking more sable, looking bi, having blanket backs. We ended up with several pups growing up to go through training and get certified as service animals and have a ton of them being involved in competition sports. I just got an email that a female pup from my final litter before I retired is currently ranked the 12th fastest German shepherd in AKC FastCat!!!! She also finished her testing and is now a certified therapy dog and competes in AKC Scent trials. Yay! Makes this German Shepherd Grandma proud. 🐾
Great video
My dogs have to work on the farm.and I have been lucky enough to have working line. The herding ability really helps with cattle.
do the more naturally 'tend' them, like they form a fence around them, or do they herd them, like move them from A to B or to you?
Do your dogs protect livestock at yoour farm too? They say that you need other breeds as livestock guardian dogs. What's your experience with predators in your farm and how your GS deterred them?
@@chrisv1674 Mine have never reached the stage of moving them but were great at forming a living fence. I am still learning the cattle thing.
@@yolysun7420 Things are really busy right now. We have a lot of coyotes and bobcat..My dogs have in the past killed several of each. Right now I have one elderly k9 who I will care for till she passes and she will not tolerate another dog. I had a flock of domestic blue slate turkeys and the bobcats tried constantly to get at them . One of my dogs would sit on the porch and watch while the other slept. When the dog on watch went off I would grab a gun and by then the other dog was outside. I try to get a pair male and female both nuetered.I never lost a bird. When Tank passed away and Lucy's age caught up to her I lost all 30 birds in a single summer even with my guns. We also have occasional cougars I still remember a foggy night during my first year on the farm. Both dogs refused to go outside even for toilet without an escort. You can bet I had both my AR and my 1911 and was looking through a thermal gunsight for any heat source lol.
@Philip Briney--thanks so much for responding. I know that GS can kill coyotes. I didn't know they are able to kill bobcats as well. I think GS, even working lines, are no match for a cougar. I'm guessing you'll need at least a pack of four GS just to deter a cougar. It's reassuring to know that GS can protect the farm just ljke a LGD was meang to do. Do you have wolves in your area and have your dogs fought w/ wolves? And having an AR and 1911 always help. Preserve the 2nd ammendment! LOL. Thanks again.
I think working GSD and show GSD should be considered different breeds. The goals and standards are completely different so why not let them diverge in peace.
I like the working line
Music in the background is super annoying. I liked and subscribed
Music track distracting and serves no purpose, otherwise good video.
This video isn’t that accurate as far as what show lines do lol! My show line has tons of energy , LOVES the outdoors and is extremely protective, also she jumps 6 foot fences
Sorry to break it to you but the dude in the video Wayne Curry is world-renowned, a professional at what he does.
@@dpdiver1 usa-renowned buddy
Don't like show line gsd's. Not right it's like breeding children to be in wheelchairs. Sound body and temperament are just as important, but you can fix/work with crazy not with crippled.
Not only do the working line dogs outperform the show line, they are easy to train.
Can't hear the msuic over the mans mumbling..😅😅
I was just about to say, "What's up with the music?" But then I realized it was a music video, and this guy was just randomly talking about dogs. Can't wait for the remix.
@@Soupy_loopylol he needs a new editor 😅
My show line GSD would go over a five bar fence no problem. 😂
I mean, its nice and all.. but why nobody speaks about the dog casually laying on RollsRoyce backseats? 😅😅
Annoying music, totally unnecessary!
Not at all : i find music completely fit with the guy (nice hair dye by the way)
Good video. Kill the music
The way they breed the show line gsd is just cruel
Turn off the 🎶 Music 🎶 🎵 😤
Obviously the working line shepherd wasn't beautiful enough for some folks, so they decided to make it 'more beautiful'......??????...go figure.
I don't understand. I do not think there is one single thing that is attractive about the shoreline dog. Maybe the coloring but that's it. They are not functional animals. Pretty much guaranteed to be lame at an early age. It's disgusting what they have done to the German Shepherd. I have a female German shepherd guide dog. She has a flat back. The sloped back dogs are not even sound enough to be a guide dog.
When I grew up (1960s and 70s) there were no 'roach back' German Shepherds 🤮
Why the stupid music? Not very relaxing.
Horrible sound quality
Show line is disgusting and cruel
True. They cant even run properly