You are absolutely correct. I believe my drag flap began tearing at less than 25 hours. At $1600 plus New York State sales tax, very much cutting corners by Toro.
Yea well the same happened to me, bought a replacement, same thing happened again within a month, then bought another one, but before installing it, i used a metal straightedge and a utility knife, shaved about 3/8 to a 1/2 inch off, perfecto!!!!! , been cutting for 2 years , still looks like new
You’re lucky you made it 25 hours! I made it about 10 hours and mine got torn to shreds. And I’ve been treating my new toy gently still. Fortunately the local dealer replaced the part since it’s only 6 weeks old but I have a feeling this is going to happen again… soon. If anyone find a rubber one made specifically for this mower, please let me know. The dealer gave me the same cheap plastic one
Yup. After 1st cut it broke on my Timemaster. Ordered a replacement from Toro under warranty and out of the box it's broken as well. The two pieces aren't molded properly and it separates from the harder plastic that mounts to the mower.
Hey man! This is definitely a weak link on this mower. Be sure to check out the other video I did on this where I made my own flap! Thanks for watching!
Great video! Saved this for future reference. Yep, the Toro design engineer probably did a cost down to a more brittle plastic. Could be an injection molding issue also. For the price of this mower, Toro could invest in a more durable part. Supply chain issues in the plastics industry aren't helping either. Who knows what's being used now, since this part is likely sourced from Asia.
Same thing happened to my new timemaster I installed an hour meter before my first start up, I didn't even get to my five hour break in oil change before mine started losing pieces,got mad and just took my shears and cut what was still hanging, at least if I ever find a replacement I'll know how to make the repair after seeing your video THANK YOU
Russell Puckett Hey Russell, it’s a very cheaply made part. I did make a part two to this. Be sure to check out the video link in the description. Glad you found this helpful. Thanks for watching!
Toro definitely didn’t design this part right. Timemaster owners should not have to be fixing these constantly! Thanks for checking out my channel Harley!
first season, cutting low and made a turn and blades shredded the guard like yours. ordered new off of Amazon, doing ok so far. don't like small gas tank, I needed to grease my wheels, factory grease was a barely on there.
Mine looked like yours after less than 10 hours of use. Toro did send a replacement at no cost to me after I submitted request (w/Pics and unit serial number). Interestingly, my failed from the left side exactly like yours. I haven't opened the box with the replacement yet....I've since torn off the remaining portion of the original flap. Mower seems to work fine w/o the flap....no noticeable difference is cut quality or striping on my fall grass. Overall, I LOVE the mower. I had used a Honda HRX for 6 years and never was super thrilled w/performance. This Toro annihilates the Honda cutting-wise w/mulching. Little things like this though NEVER happened on the Honda....make me curious where else a few pennies were saved. Curious what the Exmak commercial version of this mower uses?
Interesting how many people are experiencing the same issues here. My father has the same Honda and I feel the same way about it too. Nice but nothing over the top. I too am interested to see what exmark has underneath...🤔
I don't have the exmark but I have a timemaster and a turfmaster and the flap on both of them is similar. Everything on the turfmaster is like twice as thick almost overbuilt but I think the reason they must use this weak material is because if it was strong material and somehow failed went under the deck while the blades were engaged it would most probably cause catastrophic damage to the deck and bend up where the spindles mount to the deck causing a write off of the whole deck. Peaceout! ✌️
I may be making one. I don’t see that new one lasting long. My own may stripe better just because of the rubber’s weight alone! Thanks as always for watching bud!
I noticed mine was destroyed and damaged in the same suisse as yours after the 1st year... left side. Did you ever fabricate a new flap out of that large rubber piece you have?
Hey JCS I made a video a while back this flap. MAKE YOUR OWN DIY TORO TIMEMASTER DRAG FLAP THAT LASTS ua-cam.com/video/Fj_Zc2Eec3Q/v-deo.html here ya go!
I like where your head is at Ken! It may not be a bad idea for some preventative maintenance to cut yours down the middle. That way it’s not twisting and bending too much! Thanks for watching Ken! 👍
Garage Gear Not surprising. These are poorly made. My first replacement didn’t even get installed. I called and they replaced it at no charge. The thing that made me mad was that I spent so much money on this machine, you expect it to have high quality parts on it and not second rate crap. I installed the new one and will see how it performs. I’m not expecting that it will. They packed it in a box that was too small for the shield so it was folded up in the box and created a kink in it that I had to use a hair dryer to straighten it. Come on Toro.
After 6 years and around 130 hours of domestic mowing on a 1/2 acre garden, flat but quite bumpy, the drag flap on mine is starting to show signs of pulling away at the right angle corners just below the securing bolts. My solution will be to make two U clamps in sheet steel, crimp them over and JB Weld them on each side. Waxoyl to prevent rust. My transmission failed earlier this month. Stripped it down. 2 bit plastic bush / oil paddle had sheared in half. I made a new brass bush, machined out the old paddle and bolted it on the brass bush. Good as new. Had to resolder the STOP button leads and tie wrap the cable with more slack. Did a thorough deck rust remove and Por-15 paint. Then 3 coats of Hammerite (which chips!). The Por-15 doesn't chip off! I can see these mowers were no good for commercial use. For lighter domestic use not so bad. The newer 10ftlb engine models have more power and seem to have better transmissions and a few other faults fixed..
Wow you have done a lot to that Timemaster! I would have ripped it down and parted it out lol! But if you like the mower you keep it going! Thanks for sharing your tips here Steve!
Looking at the wear on the flap, I reckon it's where it can come into contact with the sharp edge of the transmission retaining bracket. If you regularly go over something bumpy the can push the flap up inside the mower, large clump of grass or the rear wheel rides down a border edge - that would do it. Once cut through the flap tears and the blades will eat it. I've done my fix on the flap corners. I think a bit of tough PVC tube slit length ways and glued on that bracket edge would help / be sacrificed instead, as would giving it a smooth radius. I just like repairing things🙂 To be fair, it's only this year things started failing. My hours usage is about 41 minutes average a week over those 6 years. I tear round the plot, it's 2 miles fast walking. So far I've convered about 800 miles in total behind the Toro Timemaster.
@@MrSpeedysteve1 that’s pretty cool how you have the math figured out on your mileage! I’m sure I have racked up a few too but 800 is pretty significant! Very cool my friend! 👍
Mine did the same thing in about 1 season. Ridiculous! I got a new flap but I didn't put in on, but I'm wondering why it's even there! No flap and nothing comes out of the back!! Any thoughts?
Hey Kelly! It’s a safety guard to prevent rocks and other objects from coming out and hitting you or something else. I had a mower without a flap a long time ago shoot a stone and it dented a car lol! Imagine if my leg was in the way! Thanks for watching!
So do you know if there is an aftermarket one that will perform better cuz I just had this problem and I don’t want to keep replacing it cuz I have to turn a lot and that seems to cuz the problem
Hey Jacob, I did a second video on this because this one I installed broke after five hours. I made a diy one with old John Deere flaps. You can purchase all the parts in the description to make one. ua-cam.com/video/Fj_Zc2Eec3Q/v-deo.html
Mine is a 2019, I couldn’t tell you the hours but I cut 20,000 square feet in NY. I haven’t broken this part yet well into my third season. Better to be lucky than good I guess? Now as to the “Toro Clogmaster” comments... yeah this deck likes to pack up. I power washed it today and I’m trying a different non-stick lubricant spray... have POR-15 on deck in case that isn’t enough and I’m betting it won’t be.
Hey Richard, some are saying theirs is lasting quite a while with no issues. Others are having theirs shredded like mine. I plan to do a third video on these coming soon. Does that POR15 work alright? Never tried it.
@@GarageGear I used it many years ago on the inside of an old motorcycle gas tank and it worked fantastic- have yet to try it on a mower deck, maybe I should make a video. I think it would stand up to gentle power washing (at least I hope so), very much doubt it can stand much scraping with a putty knife or what have you.
Hey Paul these toro flaps don’t last! Plastic junk. I made a DIY flap in a follow up video. Be sure to check it out. Thanks for checking out my channel! 👍
Mine T-30" did the same and replacement part wasn't cheap. Whish there was a stornger, better alternative. I don't have the striper roller, do you think it worth the $100+?
Sorry just saw this now. Yes I have the striper and I think it does a good job. I like how it pivots and turns easy. Thanks for checking out my channel.
really like your videos and helpful suggestions! Question: do you use your washout much, will it rust out deck and is it helpful to treat or spray silicone on deck before rusting? Thanks!
Great questions! I use the wash out port twice a year. Once after spring and once at the end of the season. I scrap out the deck after every mow. Lots of grass sticks under these. Summer time I can usually go a couple of mows with out scraping. I did wax the underside but that did very little. I’m interested in ceramic coating the underside to see what happens. I have about 60 hours on mine now with no signs of rust. Thanks for being an awesome fan! 👍
Don’t get me wrong I like these mowers for certain reasons but they are not perfect. And I think Toro should offer crash courses on repairs of these mowers lol! More content on these coming up! Stay tuned! Thanks for checking out my channel Mike!
Most likely! My only concern may be that the mower may lift up when you back it up if the flap doesn’t flex well. Let me know if you find something that works! Thanks for watching! 👍
It prevents rocks and other debris from flying out the back side. I used to have a landscaping business and not having on of these can be painful lol. It does help with striping too! Thanks for watching Kevin!
Mine only had 5 hrs on it. Luckily Toro sent me a new one right away because it was a safety issue, but that doesn't change the fact that is broke in the first place leaving me to change it. Had a $400 craftsman for 12 years and only ever changed the pull cord and blade. $1500???? Come on Toro
Sounds like you grabbed a good one. After making this video a lot of people have reached out to me with the same problem. Thanks for checking out my channel GS!
That’s not a bad idea! Lately they’ve been telling owners to not back their timemasters up. How can you not back that big machine up once and a while? Thanks for watching!
Mine came off first day, its useless, tore it all the way off and never looked back, probably 300 hrs on this second mower, 500 out of my first timemaster
@@OnlyOptionMedia I heard that toro is now saying not to back this mower up to avoid breaking the flap. How do you not back a mower up at least once during a mow? There’s always corners to get into, turns to make, etc. This is a wide mower you’ll have to back it up at some point.
Make sure you take your plastic front cowl off regularly, wet grass accumulates and causes rust and failure of pulleys, belts. Two time masters in 10 years, I’m done with toro. Spindle failure, rust, pulleys, kill switch, cable failure etc etc. Loved it when new, but 5 year life span. I’m done.
Mine broke after only ten hours. Dealer agreed to replace it free but said it is going to be something that just has to be replaced in the future and will not be covered by warranty.
Nice of them to fix it for you. Makes ya wonder what the cost difference is between some plastic molded flap and a piece of rubber. I can’t imagine it being much. Thanks for checking out my channel Brian!
Have had my mower for five years with no issues! What’s up with you guy? If you hit debris a rock or stick it could destroy the flap so walk your yard before mowing.
Garage Gear if you do make a heavier one you should make a video. I’d be very curious to do that myself but not really sure the best way to go about it.
Flash Hobbies ha guess what! My new one that I just replaced, just broke the same way after just 5 hours. Pitiful! Going to make my own! Thanks for watching!
This didn't just wear out after 25. hours. I blew through a few of these in once season before realizing how it happened. When backing up down a hill, especially i long grass, the edge can catch and pull it under the blade. Watch for this when backup up and stop before it goes under.
Thanks for sharing this! I would probably be smart for toro to manufacture smaller or shorter flaps in this case then. Since I’ve installed my own diy flaps that are shorter I haven’t had any issues. Thanks for checking out my David!
What would cause a new toro 30 a month old. Loosing power. Then sputters like someone is reving the engine. I'll engage the blades and they won't spin full rpm and it cause the mower to cut off
I’ve seen dirty carbs on new mowers right out of the box! Could be bad gas too. If you want to email me a video of it perhaps I can help you that way. Thanks for watching!
I thought we were going to see some ingenuity and have the one from the JD installed on it. Simple solution,...spend another $1100 or so and get the Turfmaster,...commercial mower. I'm sure thst every mower can be improved upon,...but once that part fails on mine,...or long before it fails i will come up with a solution before installing the same crappy part on it
That's nothing. About 2 months the belts break then the cables snap in the center. Then the height adjustment give out.. for 1k. Really then the Trans gos out about 3 years. It's a nice mower if you cut gulf course lwans..
This design is pretty flawed, the part should be farther away from the blades because that is the reason why they broke. The blades struck the flap and caused it to break when you were backing up with the mower. Toro has been using their original design for decades and they never had problems with it.
This mower is very disappointing..I've had it less than a year,flap ripped off after the first couple of uses,I've already had to replace a pulley,and the back wheel screeches extremely loud,even after wd40..
Is it still in working order? Mine got shredded multiple times as you could see. Also I did a second video on this! Check it out! Thanks for checking out my channel!
@@evanmalek2651 wow I get mixed reactions with this video. Some say theirs last with no issues. Some then the other half are saying that theirs is falling right off. Bad batches? Lol thanks for watching!
That mower is pure junk I have one I bought a year ago and nothing but issues I’m going back to my 6 year old Honda HRX217 only issues I ever had with that mower was the transmission after 5 years of commercial use and Honda replaced it with warranty my Timemaster has been nothing but issues and underpowered 10hp engine
I can’t imagine the cost of a rubber flap being much more than a plastic flap. But toro could definitely mark it up! Thanks for checking out my channel Bruce!
That’s a good brand. Don’t get me wrong I like the time master and it definitely does its job. I just think that there is a weak link here! Thanks for watching.
You are absolutely correct. I believe my drag flap began tearing at less than 25 hours. At $1600 plus New York State sales tax, very much cutting corners by Toro.
Considering selling mine in the spring! Thanks for watching!
Yea well the same happened to me, bought a replacement, same thing happened again within a month, then bought another one, but before installing it, i used a metal straightedge and a utility knife, shaved about 3/8 to a 1/2 inch off, perfecto!!!!! , been cutting for 2 years , still looks like new
Interesting idea! And it worked! I’ll keep this in mind! Thanks for sharing! Thanks for checking out my channel!
The flap on my Timemaster lasted only about 10 hours. Now I know how to replace thanks to your video.
Hey Yard DDS! These toro flaps are cheaply made. I wish they would make them of a rubber material instead. Thanks for watching! 👍
You’re lucky you made it 25 hours! I made it about 10 hours and mine got torn to shreds. And I’ve been treating my new toy gently still. Fortunately the local dealer replaced the part since it’s only 6 weeks old but I have a feeling this is going to happen again… soon. If anyone find a rubber one made specifically for this mower, please let me know. The dealer gave me the same cheap plastic one
Hey Joe, check out my other video I did on this where I made one out of two rubber flaps. It’s held up ever since. Thanks for watching!
Yup. After 1st cut it broke on my Timemaster. Ordered a replacement from Toro under warranty and out of the box it's broken as well. The two pieces aren't molded properly and it separates from the harder plastic that mounts to the mower.
I found the same to be true on my replacement! Making my own soon.
Yeah, mine did it too about a week ago. Now I'm just waiting for the new 1 to come in.
Hey man! This is definitely a weak link on this mower. Be sure to check out the other video I did on this where I made my own flap! Thanks for watching!
Great video! Saved this for future reference. Yep, the Toro design engineer probably did a cost down to a more brittle plastic. Could be an injection molding issue also. For the price of this mower, Toro could invest in a more durable part. Supply chain issues in the plastics industry aren't helping either. Who knows what's being used now, since this part is likely sourced from Asia.
I believe they are made in China. Be sure to watch my part 2 video where I make my own. Thanks for watching!
Mine lasted 10 - 15 minutes! Already broken. I just bought it today and used it for 1st time.
Plenty more will break on that mower don’t you worry. Thanks for watching
Same thing happened to my new timemaster I installed an hour meter before my first start up, I didn't even get to my five hour break in oil change before mine started losing pieces,got mad and just took my shears and cut what was still hanging, at least if I ever find a replacement I'll know how to make the repair after seeing your video THANK YOU
Russell Puckett Hey Russell, it’s a very cheaply made part. I did make a part two to this. Be sure to check out the video link in the description. Glad you found this helpful. Thanks for watching!
Yes yes I'm having the exact issue!!! I had to do this twice now it has happened again.
Toro definitely didn’t design this part right. Timemaster owners should not have to be fixing these constantly! Thanks for checking out my channel Harley!
first season, cutting low and made a turn and blades shredded the guard like yours. ordered new off of Amazon, doing ok so far. don't like small gas tank, I needed to grease my wheels, factory grease was a barely on there.
On my channel I did a video on installing a bigger gas tank on the time master! Check it out! Thanks for checking out my channel!
Mine looked like yours after less than 10 hours of use. Toro did send a replacement at no cost to me after I submitted request (w/Pics and unit serial number).
Interestingly, my failed from the left side exactly like yours. I haven't opened the box with the replacement yet....I've since torn off the remaining portion of the original flap.
Mower seems to work fine w/o the flap....no noticeable difference is cut quality or striping on my fall grass. Overall, I LOVE the mower. I had used a Honda HRX for 6 years and never was super thrilled w/performance. This Toro annihilates the Honda cutting-wise w/mulching. Little things like this though NEVER happened on the Honda....make me curious where else a few pennies were saved.
Curious what the Exmak commercial version of this mower uses?
Interesting how many people are experiencing the same issues here. My father has the same Honda and I feel the same way about it too. Nice but nothing over the top. I too am interested to see what exmark has underneath...🤔
I don't have the exmark but I have a timemaster and a turfmaster and the flap on both of them is similar. Everything on the turfmaster is like twice as thick almost overbuilt but I think the reason they must use this weak material is because if it was strong material and somehow failed went under the deck while the blades were engaged it would most probably cause catastrophic damage to the deck and bend up where the spindles mount to the deck causing a write off of the whole deck. Peaceout! ✌️
Make one! Cool video plus see if it helps with striping at all.
I may be making one. I don’t see that new one lasting long. My own may stripe better just because of the rubber’s weight alone! Thanks as always for watching bud!
Does the commercial Turfmaster have the same drag flap?
@@Born2doom good question I want to say yes
I noticed mine was destroyed and damaged in the same suisse as yours after the 1st year... left side. Did you ever fabricate a new flap out of that large rubber piece you have?
Hey JCS I made a video a while back this flap. MAKE YOUR OWN DIY TORO TIMEMASTER DRAG FLAP THAT LASTS
ua-cam.com/video/Fj_Zc2Eec3Q/v-deo.html here ya go!
Hey there-before mine breaks (have 6 hours on it) would it be helpful/preventative if I cut or separated the panel in to two pieces? thanks!
I like where your head is at Ken! It may not be a bad idea for some preventative maintenance to cut yours down the middle. That way it’s not twisting and bending too much! Thanks for watching Ken! 👍
I noticed the bracket in the back of your mower, did you fabricate that or purchase it.
The bracket on the back was for a striping kit! You purchase that separately.👍
Super info bud!🤘🏽🔥🔥🔥
Glad you found this video helpful Real Talk! Thanks for watching!
I have 65 hours flap still good but I cut at the highest level St Augustine grass and can't hit the blades.
Thanks for sharing
Got the new replacement part yesterday and same style but this one wasn't broken fortunately.
Gregg Smith my new one failed after about 5 hours. Another video coming out soon on this. Making my own in the video!
Garage Gear Not surprising. These are poorly made. My first replacement didn’t even get installed. I called and they replaced it at no charge. The thing that made me mad was that I spent so much money on this machine, you expect it to have high quality parts on it and not second rate crap. I installed the new one and will see how it performs. I’m not expecting that it will. They packed it in a box that was too small for the shield so it was folded up in the box and created a kink in it that I had to use a hair dryer to straighten it. Come on Toro.
Gregg Smith i don’t understand why they can just make the part out of rubber? Not like it’s a lot of material
Mine lasted 10 years of seasonal mowing as a primary mower. Still think it's a cheap design. Looking to upgrade mine too rubber
Definitely a weak link on the timemaster. Thanks for sharing Joe!
Shredded mine in two weeks
Yep they are junk and toro does nothing about them! Thanks for watching
After 6 years and around 130 hours of domestic mowing on a 1/2 acre garden, flat but quite bumpy, the drag flap on mine is starting to show signs of pulling away at the right angle corners just below the securing bolts. My solution will be to make two U clamps in sheet steel, crimp them over and JB Weld them on each side.
Waxoyl to prevent rust.
My transmission failed earlier this month. Stripped it down. 2 bit plastic bush / oil paddle had sheared in half. I made a new brass bush, machined out the old paddle and bolted it on the brass bush. Good as new.
Had to resolder the STOP button leads and tie wrap the cable with more slack.
Did a thorough deck rust remove and Por-15 paint. Then 3 coats of Hammerite (which chips!). The Por-15 doesn't chip off!
I can see these mowers were no good for commercial use. For lighter domestic use not so bad.
The newer 10ftlb engine models have more power and seem to have better transmissions and a few other faults fixed..
Wow you have done a lot to that Timemaster! I would have ripped it down and parted it out lol! But if you like the mower you keep it going! Thanks for sharing your tips here Steve!
Looking at the wear on the flap, I reckon it's where it can come into contact with the sharp edge of the transmission retaining bracket.
If you regularly go over something bumpy the can push the flap up inside the mower, large clump of grass or the rear wheel rides down a border edge - that would do it. Once cut through the flap tears and the blades will eat it.
I've done my fix on the flap corners.
I think a bit of tough PVC tube slit length ways and glued on that bracket edge would help / be sacrificed instead, as would giving it a smooth radius.
I just like repairing things🙂
To be fair, it's only this year things started failing.
My hours usage is about 41 minutes average a week over those 6 years.
I tear round the plot, it's 2 miles fast walking.
So far I've convered about 800 miles in total behind the Toro Timemaster.
@@MrSpeedysteve1 that’s pretty cool how you have the math figured out on your mileage! I’m sure I have racked up a few too but 800 is pretty significant! Very cool my friend! 👍
Great video thankyou. New subscriber from Australia🇦🇺. Peaceout! ✌️
That’s awesome!!!! Thanks for watching Hello! 👍
Mine did the same thing in about 1 season. Ridiculous! I got a new flap but I didn't put in on, but I'm wondering why it's even there! No flap and nothing comes out of the back!! Any thoughts?
Hey Kelly! It’s a safety guard to prevent rocks and other objects from coming out and hitting you or something else. I had a mower without a flap a long time ago shoot a stone and it dented a car lol! Imagine if my leg was in the way! Thanks for watching!
Same problem here! About 8 zip ties are keeping mine in place.
J Lambo I wonder if they will ever get around to changing this! It’s clearly a weak link on this great machine. Thanks for watching!
So do you know if there is an aftermarket one that will perform better cuz I just had this problem and I don’t want to keep replacing it cuz I have to turn a lot and that seems to cuz the problem
Hey Jacob, I did a second video on this because this one I installed broke after five hours. I made a diy one with old John Deere flaps. You can purchase all the parts in the description to make one. ua-cam.com/video/Fj_Zc2Eec3Q/v-deo.html
Mine is a 2019, I couldn’t tell you the hours but I cut 20,000 square feet in NY. I haven’t broken this part yet well into my third season. Better to be lucky than good I guess? Now as to the “Toro Clogmaster” comments... yeah this deck likes to pack up. I power washed it today and I’m trying a different non-stick lubricant spray... have POR-15 on deck in case that isn’t enough and I’m betting it won’t be.
Hey Richard, some are saying theirs is lasting quite a while with no issues. Others are having theirs shredded like mine. I plan to do a third video on these coming soon. Does that POR15 work alright? Never tried it.
@@GarageGear I used it many years ago on the inside of an old motorcycle gas tank and it worked fantastic- have yet to try it on a mower deck, maybe I should make a video. I think it would stand up to gentle power washing (at least I hope so), very much doubt it can stand much scraping with a putty knife or what have you.
@@Rick_Schott interesting! I’ll definitely have to check this out. Thanks for sharing bud!
Same problem after about 30 hrs. Looking on line for a heavy duty rubber one that will fit
Hey Paul these toro flaps don’t last! Plastic junk. I made a DIY flap in a follow up video. Be sure to check it out. Thanks for checking out my channel! 👍
Really like the machine but my flap didn't last one money . Also I'd like to add... Caster wheels would really benefit this machine .
Those flaps are pure garbage. I have seen caster wheel attachments somewhere but have no idea where to get them. Thanks for watching Ed!
Most drag flaps break.
I usually cut them thinner from the moment I buy them.
Thanks for sharing
Mine T-30" did the same and replacement part wasn't cheap. Whish there was a stornger, better alternative. I don't have the striper roller, do you think it worth the $100+?
Sorry just saw this now. Yes I have the striper and I think it does a good job. I like how it pivots and turns easy. Thanks for checking out my channel.
really like your videos and helpful suggestions! Question: do you use your washout much, will it rust out deck and is it helpful to treat or spray silicone on deck before rusting? Thanks!
Great questions! I use the wash out port twice a year. Once after spring and once at the end of the season. I scrap out the deck after every mow. Lots of grass sticks under these. Summer time I can usually go a couple of mows with out scraping. I did wax the underside but that did very little. I’m interested in ceramic coating the underside to see what happens. I have about 60 hours on mine now with no signs of rust. Thanks for being an awesome fan! 👍
@@GarageGear Many thanks- Keep up the good work!
@@kenmoon5685 you got it bud!
@@GarageGear Teflon?
@@dukegfsl it’s worth a shot. Especially in the spring and fall when this thing is clogging up like mad!
Same problem on my Timemaster.
Yeah, these parts don’t hold up long. Thanks for watching.
Yep, same thing happened to me pretty quick.
I’m still wondering if toro is going to do something about this. Create a new rubber flap perhaps?
How about just cutting the factory drag flap in the middle
@@Puggy124 could give that a shot
I’ve went through 4 drag flaps in 2 years
Those flaps are junk!
Same thing happened to me only after 7 hrs. Also, blades aren't engaging, and key starter doesn't work at all (battery is fully charged).
Don’t get me wrong I like these mowers for certain reasons but they are not perfect. And I think Toro should offer crash courses on repairs of these mowers lol! More content on these coming up! Stay tuned! Thanks for checking out my channel Mike!
Would a thicker drag flap make for more defined striping?
Most likely! My only concern may be that the mower may lift up when you back it up if the flap doesn’t flex well. Let me know if you find something that works! Thanks for watching! 👍
@@GarageGear will do, thanks!
What is the purpose of the drag flap? Do I need to replace it?
It prevents rocks and other debris from flying out the back side. I used to have a landscaping business and not having on of these can be painful lol. It does help with striping too! Thanks for watching Kevin!
25 hours? Mine lasted about 6. Glad it's not just me.
Those OEM flaps are garbage. Stay tuned for another video on this! Thanks for checking out my channel R Jones!
Yep, mine failed first season, probably within 20 hours.
They’re junk! Thanks for watching Taylor!
Mine failed the first season of homeowner use too.
They are junk! Definitely something toro needs to look at. Thanks for watching!
@@GarageGear liked the john Deere/toro modification you made. Can those flaps be bought online somewhere?
Doubtful because they do not make those model mowers any more. Perhaps on eBay. I was selling used ones for this but I’m currently out.
Mine only had 5 hrs on it. Luckily Toro sent me a new one right away because it was a safety issue, but that doesn't change the fact that is broke in the first place leaving me to change it. Had a $400 craftsman for 12 years and only ever changed the pull cord and blade. $1500???? Come on Toro
Toro junk for sure! You’ll spend more time fixing these than you will mowing. Thanks for watching!
i was told to wrap my signal wire around the head of the coil in the motor, not the spark plug wire... any ideas?
Great question. I’ve always wrapped them around the spark plug wire with no issues and accurate readings. Thanks for watching gman!
3rd season on mine absolutely no issue with any part
Sounds like you grabbed a good one. After making this video a lot of people have reached out to me with the same problem. Thanks for checking out my channel GS!
@@GarageGear U bet Sir. Yes it seems a few folks are having the issue.
@@gls3894 I’ve gotten so many emails on this! I’ll be doing another video on this for sure! Stay tuned!
@@GarageGear subscribed Sir
@@gstexas3259 you ROCK GS!
Blade caught mine after about 8 hrs
Alex Vazquez there ya go. They don’t last. The new one I put on only got about five hours lol!
Maybe you should send that flap back to Toro and tell them to improve it
That’s not a bad idea! Lately they’ve been telling owners to not back their timemasters up. How can you not back that big machine up once and a while? Thanks for watching!
I have an exmark 30 commercial and don't have that issue
Some models it’s surviving and others it goes quick. I’m seeing lots of issues with these! Thanks for watching Matt!
Had the same problem
It’s a poor design! Shame they haven’t corrected it yet! Thanks for watching Zach
Mine came off first day, its useless, tore it all the way off and never looked back, probably 300 hrs on this second mower, 500 out of my first timemaster
First day??? Whoa! Toro should have a pack of them sent to all TM owners lol! Thanks for checking out my channel nitro!
Same, mine got caught in blade on first cut especially when you pull backwards. Flap is some useless junk.
@@OnlyOptionMedia I heard that toro is now saying not to back this mower up to avoid breaking the flap. How do you not back a mower up at least once during a mow? There’s always corners to get into, turns to make, etc. This is a wide mower you’ll have to back it up at some point.
Make sure you take your plastic front cowl off regularly, wet grass accumulates and causes rust and failure of pulleys, belts. Two time masters in 10 years, I’m done with toro. Spindle failure, rust, pulleys, kill switch, cable failure etc etc. Loved it when new, but 5 year life span. I’m done.
Thanks for sharing Buck! I’m not sure if commercial versions are any better. Thanks for watching!
Mine broke after only ten hours. Dealer agreed to replace it free but said it is going to be something that just has to be replaced in the future and will not be covered by warranty.
Nice of them to fix it for you. Makes ya wonder what the cost difference is between some plastic molded flap and a piece of rubber. I can’t imagine it being much. Thanks for checking out my channel Brian!
one final question, did you discover the Honda part will also fit the time master or is it too small?
@@briancaldwell1568 good question! I’m still working on that. I will see why I can find out about that shortly!
Have had my mower for five years with no issues! What’s up with you guy? If you hit debris a rock or stick it could destroy the flap so walk your yard before mowing.
I did a follow video on this flap. This time it only lasted 5 hours. Decided to make my own and it’s held up ever since. Thanks for watching!
Mine failed after 16 hours. I win! Lol
1975oldschool wow! Toro needs to get with it!
My new one just busted the same way after about 5 hours. Pitiful! Making my own.
Garage Gear That’s ridiculous.
1975oldschool I know. It tore about half way. Same as the last one. Looks like another video for this is on the way.
Garage Gear looking forward to it!
Tore mine off 1st mow. Left it. Doesn't seem to matter.
Levi Allen got it! These don’t seem to be durable at all. Thanks for watching!
Mine just failed, 5 hours! Not happy!
They don’t last long! I am honestly shocked toro hasn’t done anything about this. Thanks for checking out my channel!
Great video! Had the same issue. Hope they address in future versions.
Bryer Day yeah toro cut a corner on this part for sure! I may make my own that’s heavier duty. Thanks for watching!
Garage Gear if you do make a heavier one you should make a video. I’d be very curious to do that myself but not really sure the best way to go about it.
Bryer Day I’ll see what I can do! I’ll keep you posted!
Same issue on the new recyclers
Really? Is toro cheating out across their lineup? Thanks for watching MJ!
Mine only lasted 5 hours. Kiwi
Pure junk but they keep making them. Thanks for watching!
Mine lasted under 5 hrs before the blade cut it to pieces.
Flash Hobbies ha guess what! My new one that I just replaced, just broke the same way after just 5 hours. Pitiful! Going to make my own! Thanks for watching!
Garage Gear it really is! Yea. I’m making my own as well out of some industrial rubber. Toro really cheaped out on that part.
This didn't just wear out after 25. hours. I blew through a few of these in once season before realizing how it happened. When backing up down a hill, especially i long grass, the edge can catch and pull it under the blade. Watch for this when backup up and stop before it goes under.
Thanks for sharing this! I would probably be smart for toro to manufacture smaller or shorter flaps in this case then. Since I’ve installed my own diy flaps that are shorter I haven’t had any issues. Thanks for checking out my David!
Community, the TV show.
Thanks for watching jay!
What would cause a new toro 30 a month old. Loosing power. Then sputters like someone is reving the engine. I'll engage the blades and they won't spin full rpm and it cause the mower to cut off
I’ve seen dirty carbs on new mowers right out of the box! Could be bad gas too. If you want to email me a video of it perhaps I can help you that way. Thanks for watching!
I would definitely like to email a video if you do not mind
@@smurf13w17 sure send me a video and I’ll see if I can help.
May I have your email please
@@smurf13w17 Garagegearjb@gmail.com
Wow $1000+ mower n u get that ??!
Yep a plastic piece of junk underneath! Lol thanks for checking out my channel 04!
Just happened to me - probably only made it 10 hours. Sad!
They’re definitely a weak link on the timemaster. Toro needs to do better! Thanks for checking out my channel Dan! 👍
After my 2nd cut it was hanging off!
mrfoulk I hope toro sees these videos and the comments. Thanks for watching!
Seems like you have to go Toro commercial to get anything durable nowadays.
That sounds about right! I do like their commercial walk behind mowers! Maybe one will pop up in a video someday? We’ll see! Thanks for watching!
These are already like 1200 dollars I understand they are trying to keep costs down on perishable parts
Thanks for watching!
I thought we were going to see some ingenuity and have the one from the JD installed on it. Simple solution,...spend another $1100 or so and get the Turfmaster,...commercial mower. I'm sure thst every mower can be improved upon,...but once that part fails on mine,...or long before it fails i will come up with a solution before installing the same crappy part on it
Hey Bill! I made a diy flap in another video on this same issue. Check it out when you have a moment. Thanks for watching
Mines still holding up
😧 wow you’re lucky! I’m in a Group for these and everyone is complaining about these! Thanks for checking out my channel!
That's nothing. About 2 months the belts break then the cables snap in the center. Then the height adjustment give out.. for 1k. Really then the Trans gos out about 3 years. It's a nice mower if you cut gulf course lwans..
I’m waiting to see what’s next! I’ll be sure to post a video! Thanks for checking out my channel!
Mine is torn half way after about 3 hours...
Toro has to do better! I can’t believe how many people are dealing with this issue so early on! Thanks for checking out my channel Jacob!
This design is pretty flawed, the part should be farther away from the blades because that is the reason why they broke. The blades struck the flap and caused it to break when you were backing up with the mower. Toro has been using their original design for decades and they never had problems with it.
Bad design with this flap! The rubber ones I put on are working flawlessly! I agree it’s too close! Needs to be further back and made of rubber.
Did u end up making your own? Tag vid
Here you go my friend. MAKE YOUR OWN DIY TORO TIMEMASTER DRAG FLAP THAT LASTS
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This mower is very disappointing..I've had it less than a year,flap ripped off after the first couple of uses,I've already had to replace a pulley,and the back wheel screeches extremely loud,even after wd40..
I hear ya my friend! Selling mine this spring! Thanks for sharing
The front wheel bearings are cheap crap as well. They will rust and the inner bearing race will just spin on the wheel axil
A few improvements could be made. If they made some small changes this mower would truly stand out! Thanks for watching!
Mine failed within an hour
dan cooper my new one failed in four hours stay tuned for that video this weekend!
I made my own blade control cable after the 2nd one broke, yes this mower is junk!
After using mine for over 50 hours now you start to see where corners were cut! Hopefully they can address these changes.
Mines lasted 2 seasons
Is it still in working order? Mine got shredded multiple times as you could see. Also I did a second video on this! Check it out! Thanks for checking out my channel!
@@GarageGear yeah. Looks like factory
@@GarageGear I mow 15 yards per week. Ranging from 20 -40 minutes per cut. Hills and everything.
@@evanmalek2651 wow I get mixed reactions with this video. Some say theirs last with no issues. Some then the other half are saying that theirs is falling right off. Bad batches? Lol thanks for watching!
Way too many issues with that Toro product.
Far more than there should be! Thanks for watching!
That mower is pure junk I have one I bought a year ago and nothing but issues I’m going back to my 6 year old Honda HRX217 only issues I ever had with that mower was the transmission after 5 years of commercial use and Honda replaced it with warranty my Timemaster has been nothing but issues and underpowered 10hp engine
At about 75 hours in I’m finding mine is riddled with issues as well! Thanks for sharing and watching Victor! 👍
@@GarageGear Yes man I’m selling mine and getting another Honda HRX217 the hydro model
@@victorrippe5845 that’s awesome my friend! GO HONDA! 👍
toro clogmaster
Got that right! Thanks for checking out my channel excelerator!
YES toro can do better, now do you want to pay for it?
I can’t imagine the cost of a rubber flap being much more than a plastic flap. But toro could definitely mark it up! Thanks for checking out my channel Bruce!
That's why I bought the PowerSmart mower, Toro sucks
That’s a good brand. Don’t get me wrong I like the time master and it definitely does its job. I just think that there is a weak link here! Thanks for watching.
All these jump cuts make me nauseous
Thanks for watching!
I have the same problem cheap garbage
Better off making your own rubber one! Thanks for watching!