Our son was named Johannes when he was born on 31st December 2017, compelled by this performance like a sign. At Easter of 2020 I left him and his brother and his mother, driven away. I miss him.
I went to a similar performance of the St Matthew Passion with the OAE. It was absolutely incredible and audience participation made the entire experience so personal. Ivan Fischer conducted.
Bach music is great Bach's music speaks of a religiously sensitive feeling. Bach has served the Protestant Christian doctrine with every word of his music. I believe that Bach, through his religion and music, which is called in the Protestant doctrine, placed Jesus and his supporters in his eyes and served them with music. Bach was an organist in the synagogue and his music was preceded by music Creation Bach's organ was very important as it played its religious music Johann Sebastian Bach is considered one of the most brilliant musicians in the field of Christian doctrine, putting his first artistic touches on music and its adaptations, which is considered one of the finest and most brilliant music of the Baroque era, which lasted 150 years.
They use a "Bärenreiter Urtext" Vocal score. Bärenreiter is a good old publisher for musical notes. Urtext in german means that it is a version without any additions by the publisher and most likely based on an autograph, in this case by Bach. They use the Traditional Version (1739/1749).
A sing along Saint John’s Passion (J.S. Bach) how delightful, this is a good idea. The Evangelist Tenor is very expressive and dramatic. J.S. Bach was truly an Evangelical Lutheran with his arias that are devotionals from the biblical text. The English translation could be better.
Prachtig, lijkt wel alsof de Thomaner een uitvoering geven in de Thomaskerk. Want beginnen ook altijd, luister maar na de Mis BWV 232 met een koraal. Ben onder de indruk, bedankt BBC voor deze opname
1. John Butt's recordings of the St. Matthew Passion and B minor Mass use OVPP, but the St. John Passion’s surviving Bach-era performing material indicates at least two voices per part. 2. Small ensembles are generally more difficult to hear in the large acoustics of the Royal Albert Hall which might have also influenced Butt's choice for a larger choir here.
@@hollowchatter7429 Thank you so much for your reply and illustration. S.Kuijken told me the arrangement of John Passion was 2 singers per part because it was been used in Good Friday and need more tension in the ritual. However, i still don't think using choir is necessary when performing in large concert hall. I joined Kuijken's Matthew Passion in Concertgebouw with the OVPP arrangement. The acoustic effect was just terrific!
Nicholas Mulroy is superb, and seems to be one of the only performers here who understands fully the drama of the piece. Just about everyone else is a bit limp, more or less. It all goes just a bit too slowly ... and then there are those ghastly long gaps/hiatuses between pieces, when Bach really meant the whole thing to go at nearly breakneck speed with just slight 'beats' rather than gaps. This is a typical modern performance that fails to understand fully the intentions of the way it was written. Which was: very intense, dramatic, highly paced and histrionic all the way. IMVHO. One of my fantasies in life would be to conduct, or at least, musically direct this, one of the greatest pieces of music ever written. Almost every recording I've seen doesn't quite reach the highly charged bar set (as I believe) by the composer.
Alex Woodley well looking at the text, it could be possible that he’s german and understands it. Or maybe that’s just an involuntary facial expression.. that doesn’t need to mean a show of disgust or anything
Nicholas Mulroy is the kind of singer that really gets involved with the text and what everyone around him is performing. At that point in the oratorio, he has just delivered one of the more dramatic events in the piece, the taking of Jesus. The text that Konstantin sings straight after is incredibly poignant. He is just responding to the music and what Konstantin was singing about...
Why do they disrupt and disconnect the flow of Bach's music by organ playing and having the audience sing? Strange. This is not what it's meant to be. The Royal Albert Hall is not God's house. The Proms is not a christian event.
This is 100% how it was meant to be. Bach wrote this music for particular liturgical contexts (which included the congregation singing hymns and declamatory organ preludes) and Butt is being as faithful to those contexts as possible. Whether or not one is a practicing Christian is irrelevant. This is the closest one can get to experiencing Bach as the man himself heard it.
This is exactly how it is meant and how Bach has conceived it, including the singing of the congregation. Has nothing to do with conducting a Christian sermon in the Royal Albert Hall.
Our son was named Johannes when he was born on 31st December 2017, compelled by this performance like a sign. At Easter of 2020 I left him and his brother and his mother, driven away. I miss him.
this is so good .it makes the bible come alive like you were there with jesus
I feel the music of Bach very deeply; brings tears to my eyes.
We were in the audience, a marvellous concert, superb singers and orchestra, plus the RAH organ being used as well
I was not there.
BACH is just unbelievable… no words.
Thank you for helping me start my Holy Week with beauty of sound and sight. What a heart-felt performance of the great Passion.
Bach. Wrote 1000+ works of genius, and fathered at least twenty children. What a lad.
Bach es el padre de la música, sus obras sublimes llegan al alma, saludos desde Chile🎼🎶
Beautiful!!!!
Sublime!!!!
Brilliant concert, spotless. Now I wish the Proms lasted all year.
heard it live, it was breathtakingly beautiful !
I was not in the audience.
@@lakkfatt2321 nobody asked if you were
Herr Danke, dass Du mich auf all meinen Wegen begleitet und behütet hast.
Wonderful! This is how Bach ought to be played and sung.
I went to a similar performance of the St Matthew Passion with the OAE. It was absolutely incredible and audience participation made the entire experience so personal. Ivan Fischer conducted.
I agree. But Mr Mulroy could be more relaxed. After all he's not in the story.
awwölgk lhgüösl.f,b no but he's telling the story. To a group of people with no access to surtitles.
Das ist so schön wie das Volk mit einbezogen wird...top Aufführung!
Good to hear the full pedal of the organ, not muted as in a lot of recordings.
Ergreifend und einzigartig interpretiert. Herzlichen Dank an alle Künstler.
Bach music is great Bach's music speaks of a religiously sensitive feeling. Bach has served the Protestant Christian doctrine with every word of his music. I believe that Bach, through his religion and music, which is called in the Protestant doctrine, placed Jesus and his supporters in his eyes and served them with music. Bach was an organist in the synagogue and his music was preceded by music Creation Bach's organ was very important as it played its religious music Johann Sebastian Bach is considered one of the most brilliant musicians in the field of Christian doctrine, putting his first artistic touches on music and its adaptations, which is considered one of the finest and most brilliant music of the Baroque era, which lasted 150 years.
Those four minutes, 1:40-1:44 are just marvellous...
Beautiful.. ❤
couldn't agree more absolutely beautiful ..
Outstanding Performance 💯🔝
Belíssimo concerto maravilhoso perfeito maguinifico
They use a "Bärenreiter Urtext" Vocal score. Bärenreiter is a good old publisher for musical notes. Urtext in german means that it is a version without any additions by the publisher and most likely based on an autograph, in this case by Bach.
They use the Traditional Version (1739/1749).
Tobias Javert ihgf
And the Bärenreiter score contains both the material of the first version of 1724 and the second version of 1725 which is the less performed one.
Beautiful!!!!
Beautiful!
Stunning. I love it.
A sing along Saint John’s Passion (J.S. Bach) how delightful, this is a good idea. The Evangelist Tenor is very expressive and dramatic. J.S. Bach was truly an Evangelical Lutheran with his arias that are devotionals from the biblical text. The English translation could be better.
Prachtig, lijkt wel alsof de Thomaner een uitvoering geven in de Thomaskerk. Want beginnen ook altijd, luister maar na de Mis BWV 232 met een koraal. Ben onder de indruk, bedankt BBC voor deze opname
BWV 245 itself begins at 5:51
what was before 5:50?
If you click on SHOW MORE in hollowchatter's blurb it lists the whole programme.
Bach!
Best excerpt of greatness of both John's and Bach for too busy people 1:59:14
Tim Mead... Just marvelous... But I'm not so convinced by others performance...
1:28:42 Lasset uns den nicht zerteilen
What language is he singing in??
Mr. Butt is an excelent musicologist and conductor... too bad hes got that name tho
double staffed violins, double traversos, dramatical soloists...pomp proms. and full approval @gordon
20:47 Von den Stricken
Performance vigorosa, o coro foi magnífico já no coro 1!
56:50. 1:10:10
I thought that John Butt is a believer of OVPP theory. Why having such a big choir to perform John's passion?
1. John Butt's recordings of the St. Matthew Passion and B minor Mass use OVPP, but the St. John Passion’s surviving Bach-era performing material indicates at least two voices per part.
2. Small ensembles are generally more difficult to hear in the large acoustics of the Royal Albert Hall which might have also influenced Butt's choice for a larger choir here.
@@hollowchatter7429 Thank you so much for your reply and illustration. S.Kuijken told me the arrangement of John Passion was 2 singers per part because it was been used in Good Friday and need more tension in the ritual. However, i still don't think using choir is necessary when performing in large concert hall. I joined Kuijken's Matthew Passion in Concertgebouw with the OVPP arrangement. The acoustic effect was just terrific!
Nicholas Mulroy is superb, and seems to be one of the only performers here who understands fully the drama of the piece. Just about everyone else is a bit limp, more or less. It all goes just a bit too slowly ... and then there are those ghastly long gaps/hiatuses between pieces, when Bach really meant the whole thing to go at nearly breakneck speed with just slight 'beats' rather than gaps. This is a typical modern performance that fails to understand fully the intentions of the way it was written. Which was: very intense, dramatic, highly paced and histrionic all the way. IMVHO. One of my fantasies in life would be to conduct, or at least, musically direct this, one of the greatest pieces of music ever written. Almost every recording I've seen doesn't quite reach the highly charged bar set (as I believe) by the composer.
"Proms 2017 - Bach: St John Passion" - sounds a bit like: next time "Bach: St Matthew Passion at the Super Bowl" ;-)
....Which, together with the commercial breaks, makes it a 10-hour event
Pride to be lutheran.
I am confused, this isn't John Passion-Bach
THe John Passion begins at 5:50
This is a reconstruction of the good friday service at Bachs time.
58:09 What's the guy on the left's problem
It seems the evangelist has taken offensive to the Basso's imprecise singing
Alex Woodley well looking at the text, it could be possible that he’s german and understands it. Or maybe that’s just an involuntary facial expression.. that doesn’t need to mean a show of disgust or anything
He's British
Seems like some were listening to the text. Others in the orchestra seem to also have appropriate reactions. Music from the heart is best. Carry on !
Nicholas Mulroy is the kind of singer that really gets involved with the text and what everyone around him is performing. At that point in the oratorio, he has just delivered one of the more dramatic events in the piece, the taking of Jesus. The text that Konstantin sings straight after is incredibly poignant. He is just responding to the music and what Konstantin was singing about...
Nach Gott kommt Bach....
Mr Mulroy could be more relaxed. After all he's not in the story.
zu schnell
Why do they disrupt and disconnect the flow of Bach's music by organ playing and having the audience sing? Strange. This is not what it's meant to be. The Royal Albert Hall is not God's house. The Proms is not a christian event.
On this day, the Royal Albert Hall WAS God's House, and the PROMS WAS a Christian event. Totally worshipful. Blessings to all. rjs
This is 100% how it was meant to be. Bach wrote this music for particular liturgical contexts (which included the congregation singing hymns and declamatory organ preludes) and Butt is being as faithful to those contexts as possible. Whether or not one is a practicing Christian is irrelevant. This is the closest one can get to experiencing Bach as the man himself heard it.
This is exactly how it is meant and how Bach has conceived it, including the singing of the congregation. Has nothing to do with conducting a Christian sermon in the Royal Albert Hall.
I went to a performance of this with Dunedin Consort in Perth and there was also a sermon included.