The reason it is booting more slowly is that it hasn't finished indexing. After a fresh install, you need to leave it on for about 30 - 40 mins to fully index. Then it should boot faster.
+Ali Abdallah That's physical hardware in physical hardware. In other words, almost impossible. Plus, it probably wouldn't work, because- you know what? It's a joke. It doesn't matter.
The reason the SSD and the mechanical HDD had about the same boot time is simply because the internal data bus runs at the same speed. So even though you have two completely different drives, they are basically being bottlenecked by the machine itself. At least, that's what I assume is happening.
Leopard was the first version of Mac OS X that took into account SSD's and even then it was very basic. It was not until Snow Leopard until Apple started talking them seriously
I thought I was the only one nutty enough to put an SSD in a PPC Mac! I have a 60GB OWC Mercury Legacy Pro in my 12" PowerBook and it goes a long way towards making it usable in the modern day.
+SitiSchu In older computers with an ATA/66 bus, a high-performance SD card can be used in place of a SSD with no performance hit, using an IDE to SD card adapter. I should try this upgrade in my Power Mac G4 Cube sometime.
Sherlock needs to file stuff in the background. That's what was slowing it down. This is still a problem with Macs to this day, but once Sherlock, or spotlight finishes indexing those files then the Hard drive runs at its full potential.
Concerning the 2012 and newer models, I'd definitely say that 21.5" iMacs are herendous to get the RAM out. The 27" don't require any special tools, just something to push the latch to unlock the cover, however that's the only thing that can be easily upgraded on the 27" iMac. For the HDD you need to take off adhesive and put it back on.
The SSD is not going to improve the Bootup time by much, because the Strength of SSDs which is Random Reads/Writes is not coming into play here. OSX actually aligns the Files needed to Boot the System on HDDs so that they can be read in (almost) one go sequentially without many random reads. So the HDD will reach its full read speed, which is close to the limit by the Sata cable, so the SSD can not be any faster.
@Druaga1, Holly Molly, that RISC processor screams. You should time how long it takes from rm -rf / to complete! That's a true manly test of drive performance.
I don't really buy the "We had to get rid of expand-ability in order to make it thinner" argument that Apple makes nowadays when they used to have such elegant ways of opening up their computers. I don't see why a mechanism like the iMac G5's wouldn't work on today's iMacs.
The newer 21.5in iMacs are the hard to change RAM machines, and now they're soldered on like the MacBooks. But the 27in model still has easy to change RAM, it has a little cover that oops open on the back.
Wished my G5 opened that easy . I got a 1TB SSD for it. Also I was yelling at you "watch it" while you were working on it. Almost sure it didn't make a difference here,... LOL.
Only the 21.5" 2012 and newer models made it harder to upgrade the RAM. On the 2012 and newer 27", you don't even have to unscrew any screws to open the access door on the back. That being said, everything else is harder to get to on those models.
When I was in Kindergarten we had these in the computer lab and my kindergarten classroom, which was the fully decked out kind with the bathroom and SMART board.
You should have taken the Lamarr Wilson approach to that SSD box. Grab both sides and rip, render, tear, chew until the good bits inside pop out in frantic fashion.
Ubuntu should work just fine on a G5. I would only consider Lubuntu on a G3 or G4, and even then, a G4 slower than 1 GHz or the RAM inferior to 1 GB. In any case, I would still keep Tiger (G3) or Leopard (G4/G5) and run Ubuntu as a secondary OS.
Nice video, pizza is a must to do the job right! I'm going to be installing Tiger and Leopard on some mac mini's and was wondering if you can share the keystroke you used to bypass the registration screen (very useful).
Hi, cool video ! But you should try with a installation of 10.5.8, which is the latest OSX available for ppc Macs. Also, if you search, there's an image with ppc-only binaries. 10.5 afaik, has "dual binaries", with x86 and ppc. So this guy removed the x86 part of the binaries, and the system becomes much lighter. Try that too.
The issue is OpenFirmware, not the SSD. OpenFirmware (replaced by EFI in Intel Macs) was designed *long* before SSDs were even an option. It's effectively the same Firmware that the original iMac in 1998 used.
+Richard Stifle It's actually a 5400RPM drive, but they perform amazingly well despite it, I have the exact same model from the same year and Windows 7 would boot in about 25 seconds when I used to run Windows off of it. It's probably a worst case scenario for the SSD to compete against, but put it up against the original drive and the SSD would smoke it, but in any case Druaga really should include the period from the chime onwards, it's a part of the boot sequence so it should be included.
***** I think you misunderstood me, I never said I used a PowerPC Mac with Windows 7, I meant I used that model of hard drive with Windows 7 lol I should have been more clear I think :)
I don't know exactly which models it affects, but I believe it's most models; the fans will run at full speed if a) it takes more than 30 seconds for the computer to load the OS (which is the case when safe booting) b) when you load any pre-OS utilities such as the option-boot that Druaga1 used to boot from the external drive. Also, you can't install Panther on a Mac delivered with OS X Tiger (or newer) without doing some bypassing stuff.
I've always thought these were good computers, and I love my 2013 model too. I need to eventually get one of the PCIe SSDs installed so I can have a fusion drive.
+DarthChrisB Windows is ugly, but in terms of use... SO MUCH better... If I can have the look of a Mac and the Performance and ABILITIES of Windows... I'd take it
I bought one of these recently, it overheats, I'm hoping the SSD is going to reduce the heat inside because the old spinning HD generates a lot of heat
Just wondering but what's the point of putting an SSD into an old computer like this? I like the idea and I'm always a fan of bringing new life to old hardware but I would've probably just stuck with a mechanical drive.
OK, it looks to be working great but is how fast is Tenfourfox when browsing ? Nowadays most programs are web applications and having a fast and responsive browser is what will make us keep the old mac or throw it to the dogs.
SanDisk is known for having very annoying packaging, particularly in their USB Flash Drives department... You have to literaly destroy the carboard in order to free the drive
Hi, I have tried installing this software from the CD but halfway through it ask to restart. When I do nothing happens I just get a blank screen. Do I need to partition this as well? Thanks for your help.
Linustechtips: Druaga, can I have some suds for a new pc? DRUAGA: NO! I NEED TO INSTALL ONE IN A GAMECUBE A TV ANPC A FRIDGE A WHATEVERYUCALIT AND A CACTUS. GO AWAY!!
I have a late 2012 mac mini that has a stock 5200 rpm Hard disk drive in it of which is very slow for opening apps. I use an external USB 3.0 to SSD as my boot disk and the external SSD blows away the internal SATA 5200 rpm hard disk drive as for comparing opening apps. But I think the boot time of the internal SATA hard disk drive and the external USB 3.0 SSD are the same.
My guess is you were maxing out the SATA bus on that machine, and the time difference was just a margin of error. I know your cheap consumer grade SSDs can easily max out a SATA 1 bus (that includes Kingston and their cheap NAND) so that is very well a possibility.
Its because you haven't got trim enabled and you didn't connect the temperature sensors if you had the imac took kit from OWC you would have being getting a new temp sensor for third party drives like ssds'
There might be a bottleneck in your CPU or RAM for booting. Might try replacing the RAM with something speedier if it's supported, and see if that makes a difference. RAM speed shouldn't matter much these days, but it can on these older machines. SATA shouldn't matter because no HDD can even get close to topping out SATA2, so there should still be a noticeable difference by miles.
PC133 vs PC66 didn't notice a difference. Not caused by RAM speed, Pentium III performed the same either way. Maybe from 60ns to 70ns will make a difference. I'll have to pull out my Pentium Pro for that.
Chris Frank I have Windows 10 Pro 32 bit on my HP Compaq nx7400. It runs decently, but if I really want it to work well I'll need more memory, in other words, it only has 1.5 GB RAM. The max for it is 4GB.
Why don't Apple make the new iMac this easily upgradable? I was able to upgrade the RAM in my 27" 5K , but would like to upgrade the drive at some point, however I'm not comfortable removing the display even though it's only double sided taped on, (what were they thinking when they decided to use that method on a £1.5K machine)
"Hey smokers, Druaga One here..." I live for those words.
I was honestly impressed with the mechanical drive boot.
The reason it is booting more slowly is that it hasn't finished indexing. After a fresh install, you need to leave it on for about 30 - 40 mins to fully index. Then it should boot faster.
I thought of how ssds boot mbr later than hdds
Druaga1, everybody. If it exists, an SSD is going in it.
can he put an SSD in an SSD?
+Ali Abdallah That's physical hardware in physical hardware. In other words, almost impossible. Plus, it probably wouldn't work, because- you know what? It's a joke. It doesn't matter.
+Gleeful Rabbits After all, the SSD in the Linux notebook is for rectal use only.
Yeah, but Ali's post was also a joke.... You don't get out much, I get it
Tobias Hagen an ssd in a CAT!!! YEAH
The reason the SSD and the mechanical HDD had about the same boot time is simply because the internal data bus runs at the same speed. So even though you have two completely different drives, they are basically being bottlenecked by the machine itself. At least, that's what I assume is happening.
Mark Woodworth That'snot true. apparently theres an update you have to do that optimizes it. I think it's only in leopard though.
Leopard was the first version of Mac OS X that took into account SSD's and even then it was very basic. It was not until Snow Leopard until Apple started talking them seriously
"Oh my pizza's done!". It's for those small moments that I really love your channel, keep up the good work :) Edit: Why is it square...
+CookieJoeYT Because it a frozen pizza in a shape that makes some pieces square
+CookieJoeYT my school used to make square pizzas that literally tasted like cardboard.
+Epic_Gamer_2000 The Best Gamer Ever Did they taste like cardboard or motherboard? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
+SilverBlaze lol they actually seriously tasted like cardboard.
+Epic_Gamer_2000 The Best Gamer Ever My school still has them q.q
The reason for the little gain in boot time is due to the old SATA interface. You will see gains in random reads and writes tho.
"Englishes that I don't language" you just gotta love duruga1 logic😂
I thought I was the only one nutty enough to put an SSD in a PPC Mac! I have a 60GB OWC Mercury Legacy Pro in my 12" PowerBook and it goes a long way towards making it usable in the modern day.
They should've put the light behind the Apple logo. That would've been cool, having the Apple logo on the front of the machine glow on boot.
I wish there was more SD CARD videos.
SD Card?
+SitiSchu In older computers with an ATA/66 bus, a high-performance SD card can be used in place of a SSD with no performance hit, using an IDE to SD card adapter.
I should try this upgrade in my Power Mac G4 Cube sometime.
Timur Tripp Thank you for the Information but I was wondering why he wrote something about SD Cards on a Video about an SSD.
SitiSchu I meant the install mac os x and windows 2000 on a sd card videos he did
Ah ok nevermind then ^^
THE SSD CAME WITH ADHESIVE
IT WAS RIGHT THERE
YOU DIDN'T NEED TO FIND THE DUCT TAPE
Love it when he says: Hey smokers :)
Sherlock needs to file stuff in the background. That's what was slowing it down. This is still a problem with Macs to this day, but once Sherlock, or spotlight finishes indexing those files then the Hard drive runs at its full potential.
Please new video for install SSD on IPizza on OS Italian 1.0
You need a very large ssd though!
You need at least 4 Gigasalamis of toppings for that to work though, don’t forget that one
Concerning the 2012 and newer models, I'd definitely say that 21.5" iMacs are herendous to get the RAM out. The 27" don't require any special tools, just something to push the latch to unlock the cover, however that's the only thing that can be easily upgraded on the 27" iMac. For the HDD you need to take off adhesive and put it back on.
That's the first time I see HDD boot faster than SSD. lol
watch to the end, it eventually beat the HDD. The performance was due to many factors, many age of the computer and software.
+Yol mainly** not many.
Ah Druaga1. You're the reason my 3rd monitor is an entirely seperate late 2006 imac. miss you buddy. i wish we were homies
The SSD is not going to improve the Bootup time by much, because the Strength of SSDs which is Random Reads/Writes is not coming into play here.
OSX actually aligns the Files needed to Boot the System on HDDs so that they can be read in (almost) one go sequentially without many random reads.
So the HDD will reach its full read speed, which is close to the limit by the Sata cable, so the SSD can not be any faster.
I just realized that he did this on carpet... He broke the golden rule!!
+Redey1290 lol
XD OH NO ALL THAT STATIC?!?!?!?!?!!?!??! XD
@Druaga1, Holly Molly, that RISC processor screams.
You should time how long it takes from rm -rf / to complete! That's a true manly test of drive performance.
I don't really buy the "We had to get rid of expand-ability in order to make it thinner" argument that Apple makes nowadays when they used to have such elegant ways of opening up their computers. I don't see why a mechanism like the iMac G5's wouldn't work on today's iMacs.
You're right, it would work.
Apple is all about proprietary, and monetization.
This is the GOOD g5 design. My other model g5 was a DISASTER to open, I miss the thing but upgrading the hdd in it was pretty much a NO
One thing that is probably keeping your start times about equal on both SSD and HDD is the speed and/or capacity of the RAM.
The newer 21.5in iMacs are the hard to change RAM machines, and now they're soldered on like the MacBooks. But the 27in model still has easy to change RAM, it has a little cover that oops open on the back.
Wished my G5 opened that easy . I got a 1TB SSD for it. Also I was yelling at you "watch it" while you were working on it. Almost sure it didn't make a difference here,... LOL.
Pizza's done!
+FNBoski liek ur avatar.
Only the 21.5" 2012 and newer models made it harder to upgrade the RAM. On the 2012 and newer 27", you don't even have to unscrew any screws to open the access door on the back.
That being said, everything else is harder to get to on those models.
It makes me a little happy inside to see that the second language in the "Welcome-cutscene" was Danish. :3
If something doesn't work, use duct tape. If that doesn't work, use more duct tape.
So glad I stumbled upon this channel, love the videos. Keep up the good work, Druaga.
When I was in Kindergarten we had these in the computer lab and my kindergarten classroom, which was the fully decked out kind with the bathroom and SMART board.
HOLY SHIT, IT'S TWO OF MY FAVOURITE THINGS:
Drauga1 and the iMac g5!
*druaga*
Three favourite things for me the third is pizzzzzzaaaaaa
The fans spinning up in the boot menu (and the openfirmware) is normal. Happens on my G5 iMac as well.
You should have taken the Lamarr Wilson approach to that SSD box. Grab both sides and rip, render, tear, chew until the good bits inside pop out in frantic fashion.
Considering you have an SSD on it then try getting copy of Lubuntu running on it since Lubuntu is light weight that should prove the SSD's speed
Ubuntu should work just fine on a G5. I would only consider Lubuntu on a G3 or G4, and even then, a G4 slower than 1 GHz or the RAM inferior to 1 GB.
In any case, I would still keep Tiger (G3) or Leopard (G4/G5) and run Ubuntu as a secondary OS.
Nice video, pizza is a must to do the job right! I'm going to be installing Tiger and Leopard on some mac mini's and was wondering if you can share the keystroke you used to bypass the registration screen (very useful).
+G3 Piedras Command+Q or Command+W I can't remember.
+Druaga1 'apple quit' Command+Q it is
Dylan Van Eaton This is really handy so you don't spend hours on the registration
When that prompt comes up yes click skip
Definitely a bus bottleneck. Putting SSDs on old machines won't work everytime.
It will generally speed up performance either way. A hard drive will be shittons slower than an ssd, and differences can be noted even on sata 1
With how old the machine, and thus the hard drive is, I'd still take an SSD so I can assure that the drive is less likely to fail.
Hi, cool video !
But you should try with a installation of 10.5.8, which is the latest OSX available for ppc Macs.
Also, if you search, there's an image with ppc-only binaries.
10.5 afaik, has "dual binaries", with x86 and ppc. So this guy removed the x86 part of the binaries,
and the system becomes much lighter. Try that too.
I did this not too long ago too. Cool!
Expected more SSD's on random machines
Orange Juice with Pizza? Now that's different
The NEXTSTEP is the installation of the operating system (which will not be NEXTSTEP).
this guy was mukbanging before mukbang was a thing
I bought a 20-inch iMac G5 8.2 on ebay, paid € 39.00 now I see the video of Druaga1 while I update with a new SSD ... GREAT
Druaga1, everyone. If it is a computer, Then he will put an SSD in it.
"so this isn't really a iMac performance test as much as it's just like a *wow* "
"Hey smokers" I put an sad into my laptop because of this guy! Now to do the same to my iPod classic 5.5gen!
The issue is OpenFirmware, not the SSD. OpenFirmware (replaced by EFI in Intel Macs) was designed *long* before SSDs were even an option. It's effectively the same Firmware that the original iMac in 1998 used.
Also, that WD drive I'm betting was a 7200 RPM drive.
Tf
+Richard Stifle It's actually a 5400RPM drive, but they perform amazingly well despite it, I have the exact same model from the same year and Windows 7 would boot in about 25 seconds when I used to run Windows off of it.
It's probably a worst case scenario for the SSD to compete against, but put it up against the original drive and the SSD would smoke it, but in any case Druaga really should include the period from the chime onwards, it's a part of the boot sequence so it should be included.
*****
I think you misunderstood me, I never said I used a PowerPC Mac with Windows 7, I meant I used that model of hard drive with Windows 7 lol
I should have been more clear I think :)
I don't know exactly which models it affects, but I believe it's most models; the fans will run at full speed if a) it takes more than 30 seconds for the computer to load the OS (which is the case when safe booting) b) when you load any pre-OS utilities such as the option-boot that Druaga1 used to boot from the external drive.
Also, you can't install Panther on a Mac delivered with OS X Tiger (or newer) without doing some bypassing stuff.
I've always thought these were good computers, and I love my 2013 model too. I need to eventually get one of the PCIe SSDs installed so I can have a fusion drive.
I'm pretty sure someone else said this but : OS X needs to be configured in order to use the SSD to full potentials...do your googling
This looks just like CPU bottlenecking, that old processor has no idea what to do with the abundance of data all at once
This video reminds me of how ugly the Windows OS is.
*vomit*
Windows>>>>>>>>>>MacOs
+DarthChrisB Windows is ugly, but in terms of use... SO MUCH better... If I can have the look of a Mac and the Performance and ABILITIES of Windows... I'd take it
Windows isnt ugly....
I mean if you're talking about XP and lower then *b a r f*
Not gonna lie, that thing is beautiful. Even to this day
Velcro is a good option because it is secure and you can take it out later.
2.5" and 3.5" drives use different screws, #6-32 for 3.5" drives and M3 for 2.5" drives
what if you spilt orenge jiuce/
I bought one of these recently, it overheats, I'm hoping the SSD is going to reduce the heat inside because the old spinning HD generates a lot of heat
Just wondering but what's the point of putting an SSD into an old computer like this? I like the idea and I'm always a fan of bringing new life to old hardware but I would've probably just stuck with a mechanical drive.
To get the OS on the external did you just copy the iso or whatever it is to the external?
OK, it looks to be working great but is how fast is Tenfourfox when browsing ? Nowadays most programs are web applications and having a fast and responsive browser is what will make us keep the old mac or throw it to the dogs.
The WD5000AAKS is a 7200 rpm HD with 300 mbps transfer rate. Almost the same speed as an ssd with SATA 2 bus
Can you imagine running a vacuum through those carpets. Would be sucking up nothing but screws.
I wish my 2013 iMac was this easy to open up!
Tiger is my favorite OS of all time.
y'all remember when apple named versions of MACOS after cats?
Now your getting pissed because the old hard drive was faster than the SSD
Damn only a 28 minute video. This is gonna be quick
Might be getting given a 2005 one of these, with a 2.1ghz processor and maxed out ram.
TruckSimz i just bought one off ebay for like $30
TruckSimz 2.1GHz
omg why are these so cheap everywhere. In germany youd pay like 120€ for one of those.
VEOTech Ha! I bought an iMac G5 2.1GHz 1Gb RAM for $32 off ebay... I got a steal with that one. but RIP shipping costs
SanDisk is known for having very annoying packaging, particularly in their USB Flash Drives department... You have to literaly destroy the carboard in order to free the drive
Hi, I have tried installing this software from the CD but halfway through it ask to restart. When I do nothing happens I just get a blank screen. Do I need to partition this as well? Thanks for your help.
Could the MacOS that was on the mechanical drive be patched up and this SSD install is clean and I patches so may be missing some optimisations?
Epicness you crack me up thank you for sharing just bought a g5
Linustechtips: Druaga, can I have some suds for a new pc?
DRUAGA: NO! I NEED TO INSTALL ONE IN A GAMECUBE A TV ANPC A FRIDGE A WHATEVERYUCALIT AND A CACTUS. GO AWAY!!
I don't know if I should be proud or scared that literally 5 seconds before he brought out the duct tape I was thinking "He should use duct tape"
My 1997 Acorn Risc PC can handily beat bootup times on even the latest i9 with W10 and SSD.... computer companies need to work on this stuff....
Wow, so easy to upgrade indeed! Later models (and I have upgraded 2006 and 2008 iMac are so much more complex)
"A quick little video." That's a good joke.
I have a late 2012 mac mini that has a stock 5200 rpm Hard disk drive in it of which is very slow for opening apps. I use an external USB 3.0 to SSD as my boot disk and the external SSD blows away the internal SATA 5200 rpm hard disk drive as for comparing opening apps. But I think the boot time of the internal SATA hard disk drive and the external USB 3.0 SSD are the same.
Where did you get the PowerPC tiger installing and Mac OS 9? I need it for my power g4 cube
You uploaded this on my birthday :D
"I'm MacMan and I'm having a Mac Atak as I am about to do this...MAC ATAK!"
My old TOSHIBA laptop has a SATA mechanical hard disk which is very clicky, but it works.
and it boots in about 10 seconds, faster than an SSD
Giachy Garau probably windows 3 lol
@@pri6490 It was Windows 7.
I downgraded it to XP and eventually went to Ubuntu because 7 was *ABSURDLY* slow.
I want to upgrade to Yosemite. My iMac was built in October 2006. My processor is a 2 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo. I am currently running OS X 10.6.8.
why did you not use a 2.5 to 3.5 adapter
My guess is you were maxing out the SATA bus on that machine, and the time difference was just a margin of error. I know your cheap consumer grade SSDs can easily max out a SATA 1 bus (that includes Kingston and their cheap NAND) so that is very well a possibility.
Its because you haven't got trim enabled and you didn't connect the temperature sensors if you had the imac took kit from OWC you would have being getting a new temp sensor for third party drives like ssds'
Has anyone done it and noticed some real diffference on speed in browsing the internet with TenFourFox ?
when i sit here with my laptop that starts up in 3 sec
I don't think, that is possible...
+Senk Ju if its Linux then maybe it is
@@elijahbush9742 Doesn’t need to be Linux. Windows modern standby/fast startup shits on Linux boot times.
There might be a bottleneck in your CPU or RAM for booting. Might try replacing the RAM with something speedier if it's supported, and see if that makes a difference. RAM speed shouldn't matter much these days, but it can on these older machines. SATA shouldn't matter because no HDD can even get close to topping out SATA2, so there should still be a noticeable difference by miles.
PC133 vs PC66 didn't notice a difference. Not caused by RAM speed, Pentium III performed the same either way.
Maybe from 60ns to 70ns will make a difference. I'll have to pull out my Pentium Pro for that.
I used to have a old Apple computer. It was one that but it was bulkier, the screen and tower was all in one. Does anyone know the name of it? Thx
eMac maybe?
I have an iMac G4 700 with only 256MB ram and it's pretty quick booting up.
Install a SSD in a iMac G3 for crying out loud. May be impossible but with patience anything is possible.
yes!!! he should try that!
mac os x and chill
Still faster at booting than Windows Vista.
no
KlitButter have you.... used Vista?
faster than booting win 10 32-bit on a dell vostro 230
Chris Frank I have Windows 10 Pro 32 bit on my HP Compaq nx7400. It runs decently, but if I really want it to work well I'll need more memory, in other words, it only has 1.5 GB RAM. The max for it is 4GB.
faster than booting ios 12 on iphone xs max
Its the fact that your opening a lot of apps at the same time for me. It feels like the g5 will explode
Why don't Apple make the new iMac this easily upgradable?
I was able to upgrade the RAM in my 27" 5K , but would like to upgrade the drive at some point, however I'm not comfortable removing the display even though it's only double sided taped on, (what were they thinking when they decided to use that method on a £1.5K machine)
Why tiger instead of leopard?
Why don't you install 10.5 leopard or 10.6 Snow leopard
"This [iMac G5] is the easiest computer to service."
*PowerMac G3 wants to know your location*
*Power Mac G4, G5 and Mac Pro want to know your location*