Apple Watch Ultra vs Garmin Epix Pro
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- Опубліковано 6 чер 2024
- Garmin just released their new top of the line do everything watch with their sharpest AMOLED display with the latest greatest software advancements, improved HR tracking, and even a built in flashlight. Apple just announced some of what’s coming to WatchOS 10 for their top of the line do everything, durable Apple Watch Ultra. So with all of these big new announcements, it got me thinking . . . How does the Apple Watch Ultra compare to the all new Garmin Epix Pro?
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I have owned both a Garmin Epix 2 and an AW Ultra. I love Garmin's rugged Military look and toughness, they also had the best leather strap. However, the AWU is better FOR ME because of the extra features I use all the time and the fitness aspects are good enough for my needs, sleep tracking, running, and walking. The additional features that are better (again FOR ME) are unlocking my Mac, Unlocking my iPhone if I am not entirely looking directly at it, paying for everything while out (a much easier process, double tap one button), turning up music playing from my phone or through my headphones, skipping tracks, podcasts. Answering calls while driving, setting timers with my voice, turning lights on and off with a tap, while driving getting turn-by-turn feedback vibrating on my wrist when I need to listen to the GPS voice or when I need to turn, using it as the Apple TV remote to change shows and apps on the TV. There are probably more that i take for granted. Again this is my opinion and my experience, i am not going to get all tribal about it.
I agree. I like that you reiterated the “For Me” part. Some times this comment area feels like a religious holy war of brand loyalty and I appreciate level headed comments like this. Garmin does some things really well but it’s also cool that I can open my garage with my AW Ultra. 🤷🏻♂️
couldnt have been said better !! I love my AWU
and will never give it up so I just went and bought a Garmin 965 because I want a streamline offline maps experience
It shouldn’t be so hard to use the original apple tv remote and you can burn extra calories for this extra effort. I really can’t understand what is the point of using a watch for tv remote. All of the stuff you listed are just null for me. I prefer and i expect a way longer battery life from such an expensive device.
You can do the most of the things you mentioned above with the Garmin as well such as turn by turn navigation vibration and changing songs. Yes, i’m in the IOS ecosystem as well but come on, Apple is neither Ultra nor a good sports watch. The battery life is pathetic and the design reminds me of a calculator rather than a watch.
I agree if garmin had a little more smart features it would be a no brainer I currently have both as well
@@_samurai_744 don’t really sound like you have one … No offense
This is a great head to head video. Lots of great information on both watches and eco-systems. Currently have the Garmin Fenix 6X and looking to upgrade, your video gives great information and great points of view and options that each platform offers. Thanks for your great work.
Glad it was helpful Stan! Keep me posted on what you do and how you like it.
Really well done! Glad you mentioned Garmin Connect. That's another key difference that's often overlooked and is so much better than using a patchwork of apps for Apple.
Garmin also offers vastly more sports apps residing natively... Golf yardages, scoring, shot and stat tracking is a big one for me. On top of that mountain biking, skiing, snowshoeing etc.
I’ve heard that the golfing stuff is good but I don’t golf personally so it’s hard to speak to it much in these reviews. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
Hey Matt! Just wanted to say thanks, because your videos/comments were very helpful in deciding between the forerunner 955 and the fenix 7, as an upgrade for my forerunner 245. I got the fenix 7 sapphire solar earlier this week, and I couldn't be happier!
Glad I could help and glad to hear that you're enjoying the watch! Keep me posted on how it goes as you continue to wear it. 🙌🏻
Interesting. What made you choose the Fenix instead of the Epix 2 Pro?
@@SirCharlesLikesChurros Even though I wasn't really interested in the Epix 2 (the regular one, the pro is way too expensive), I did take it into consideration, because it was only a few euro more than the Fenix 7 ss. I wear an apple watch 6 together with my garmin 24/7, so I had a good idea about what I like/dislike with both MIP and OLED screens. I love my aw, but the light coming from the screen tends to wear me down at times, especially in the evenings, when surroundings are darker. I also feel it looks more like a toy. I love my watch not getting in my way, unless I interact with it. Even with the backlight on, the F7 doesn't feel as intrusive. And for the Epix specifically, the black background during activity was an absolute deal breaker for me. From experience, I just find it easier to see what I need in a glance, when it's black on white. The watch looks absolutely stunning, but I'm not interested at the moment.
I had been looking into garmin watches for a long time (maybe about 2 years). IMO its what you are used too. If you are an apple person then the ultra is for you. I got the ultra on the first release date and i loved it until the point that even 3 day battery life is sometimes not enough and maybe thats just me not remembering to charge it😂. About a month ago i finally caved in and got the fenix7x sapphire solar and although it was a good watch , it wasn’t an Apple Watch ultra. I returned it and appreciated my ultra more then before because it gave me the answer that i needed.
Exactly. I try to tell people the same thing. I really think there are things (about either) that people will miss if they end up switching. Thanks Hovsep!
Tks for the great video, Matt. I‘m wearing the Ultra, before I had the Epix Gen. 2. What I miss the most is the way Garmin provides all data in Connect.
Good feedback Andreas! I try to remind people that there are parts of either that they’ll miss when switching. 🤷🏻♂️. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
Great video matt. The flashlight is awesome
Absolutely. I love that thing. 🔦
Great review! I keep switching between the ultra and the epix pro and am still torn. I am not that bothered about the smartwatch features and do prefer the longer battery life so will prob end up sticking with the epix. The one thing I need to do is use the data in connect more as part of my training.
That Epix Pro is pretty amazing. I can’t live without a true built in flashlight anymore. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
Just got the Epix Pro 51mm to replace the Forerunner 745 and it's absolutely awesome. I've had the AWU for a while now and love it too. It's been my main watch on my left wrist while I only used the FR745 on my right wrist for running and workouts. Now that I've added the Epix Pro, it seems I'll be wearing both constantly. Hey, we have two wrists; why not adorn both with these technical marvels? Haha
The AWU has integrated so seamlessly and thoroughly with my Apple ecosystem for both work and personal usage that I can't do without it now. But, for my running, workouts, and long outdoor excursions, the Epix Pro leaves the AWU in the dust. It's not even close. The battery life on the Epix Pro 51mm is phenomenal for an AMOLED display. I have it on always-on mode with little power saving stuff turned on and it seems I'll easily get two full weeks before having to charge. Having used the FR745 for a while, I'm hooked on all the data and metrics that Garmin watches provide through the Connect app and online.
Well, to me, the AWU is an "apple" and the Epix Pro is an "orange", I guess. Obviously, they share similarities as smartwatches, but one is geared more towards mainstream usage with excellent all-round smartwatch features and good fitness/health features and the other is geared towards the serious athlete and sports enthusiast with the best cutting-edge fitness/health features and decent general purpose smartwatch features. And it seems it will stay that way for a while. Apple will try to catch up on fitness/health but Garmin will keep on working very hard to stay ahead while trying to catch up with Apple in other general purpose areas. Competition is good. I'll keep and use both. 😀
That Epix Pro 51 is a beast!!! I'm right there with you using both! Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
You aren’t alone in the TWW club ( two watch wearing club)! I have a good feeling that with the epix 2 pro I’ll be wearing the AWU a lot less on my other wrist.
@@braddavister137 The AWU is a nice Apple ecosystem endpoint and great for not having to have a phone with me all the time.
But, the Epix 2 Pro and the cozy but growing Garmin ecosystem, in general, is a different world altogether and I really like that. It's like getting away to the great outdoors from the city and everyday urban living.
How do you guys use both? Doesn't it cause health data conflict when you are wearing both and they are both syncing data to the same phone? Would be nice to hear your workflow here.
@@CanInelli it will only really conflict when you do a workout as it will show two workouts, one by Apple and one by garmin. I have a myzone and that will show as a third workout sometimes. I try to only use the garmin for workouts though and then wear both out and about. Mainly because of the cellular feature on the Apple Watch for safety reasons at work.
On a previous video of yours, I mentioned the Enduro 2 being my Garmin favorite watch but the 51mm Epix Pro is now my favorite. Amazing that a watch with that screen and features has the same battery life as my Fenix 6X. Too bad about the price tag :(
Yeah, exactly. Amazing watch, difficult price tag. 😬 Thanks for checking this one out Alexandre!
Enduro 3 where you at?!?? Great video!
Do you think Garmin will do an Enduro 3 soon? Or an Enduro Pro? I'm guessing it'll be a while.
As yo said, the AWU for water sports is a nightmare, plus the need to buy third party apps to do what the Garmin out of the box was a no go for me and I returned it after a week. The only thing missing to the Garmin lineup is cellular connectivity. Once they add this (fingers crossed), it will be pretty much a no brainer to go with Garmin IMO.
I thought Garmin was heading this direction after the 945LTE but I don’t. What’s going on, what’s the hold up. 🤷🏻♂️
Hopefully Garmin adds some big additions to there high end watches soon.
@@mlegrand battery life is the hold up.
It comes down to what you want ( Smart watch or a Sport Watch ). For me i will pick a sport watch any day of the week, and thats why i go with Garmin.
Good call Morten!!! Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
Your videos are top notch!
Wow, thank you so much JB. This one went a little long. 😬
I got the epix 2 and the aw 6 switching to the aw for work and suits (Garmin ‘s to sporty/big). For sports I prefer the Epix, love the body batterie feature and using buttons. True that aw with iPhone Mac and so on is more handy for dayl life And I forgot to mention once you get accustom to this one week, autonomy, not easy to go back!
You’re one of the few that does both but I’m right there with you. 🤷🏻♂️ Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
If I not mistaken I think there is a way to stop activity by pressing both corona and bottom buton at once on any Apple Watch (Action button would be better, but no need to use only touch).
That sounds familiar. It might just pause an activity on Apple Watches (non Ultra options) I’ll have to double check. But the pause then dry off then stop technique would work there also. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍.
You’re correct!
It will also take a screenshot of you have screenshots enabled 😅
What I really miss on Garmin is an audible connection. I like listening to audiobooks when I workout.
Me too. I actually listen on my phone most of the time. 🤷🏻♂️
I wish Epix pro has options to reply messages fully and having speaker for turn by turn direction.
It's odd. Garmin has watches with features like that but they don't put it in their top of the line Fenix/Epix devices. Why Garmin why????? Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
Blame apple for that, they reserve that feature for apple watches only
Let's hope Apple pushes all the others to step up and innovate 🤞🏿Thanks for the breakdown Matt
Glad to see you’ve been getting some cycling in. Keep up the good work. 👌
Like it Matt. Well done. I've owned both over the years. It seems like every couple years I reach a crossroads and switch. That's where I'm at right now. I currently use the Garmin Fenix 6 pro, but I am very tempted to jump back to the Apple Watch Ultra. I think it will do everything I need (smart + fitness), EXCEPT my 50+ mile ultras. For those I plan to keep the Fenix around. Thanks again!
Yeah, you always have the old Fenix which could work. In that way you have the best of both worlds. Ultimately I think there are little things you’ll miss about each when switching. 🤷🏻♂️
It’s the same for me. I sold my garmin Fenix 7 and switch over to the Apple Watch ultra. It has the best Stryd integration. I really like the rest of the Apple watch features. If I have to run longer than a marathon: I keep around my old watch for that. But it’s really a rare use case
The Garmin must be connected to a phone for the smartwatch features. Cannot live without the phone. If I am going out of range: Garden for example. Garmin is lost completely. You can’t even tell that the garmin has even one smartwatch feature.
I prefer AWU but I do love the maps of the Garmin 965 Forerunner as I now have both and wear one on each wrist! I may look funny but I don't care I am a Watch Fanatic!!
There are only a few of us who wear one on each wrist!!! 👌
I had the AWU, returned it and picked up the garmin fenix 7 pro. Now I kinda miss the Apple Watch but don’t want to give up the fenix. Think I’ll be joining the club 😁
For me: Because I am in Apple ecosystem, AW for me with all its smart watch features. And I am not an athlete so I do not need all that detailed matrices. Happy with FR255 now along with my AW. When Garmin comes up with standalone LTE where I can leave my iPhone at home, I will switch (may be) completely to Garmin. And I saw what you did at 13:23 when you put AW for charging ;) ;). Great video as always Matt. Nice one :) :)
Thank you Pavan!!! The AW and the FR255 is a great combo. I'm kind of surprised Garmin hasn't pushed the LTE features to more devices. Seems like they're due for a big cross device upgrade. Maybe for their next line of watches? 🤷♂️
Hi, Great comparaison. I would really love that both could compete so that customer benefit from it but feel like the smart watch side is not a fair figth on IOS with limiting connectivity options to others than Apple. On the fitness aspect everything is open. If Apple want ANT+ they can.
Very true. The fact that Apple does allow third party watches to fully connect into their smartphone features is extremely frustrating. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
Thanx Matt, great comparison. Yeah, I guess at this stage we can't have best of both worlds. You raised all the relevant points and concerns on both sides. Pity Garmin does not cater for e-sim for call's etc. and from what I can follow, they are not interested in going there any time soon. Also, I'm not sure if Apple will release the AW out of their eco system. Hence, you can only really use it if you have an Iphone...I use my Epix as a cycling computer instead of a dedicated computer, and it works perfectly with Varia radar. Not sure if AWU will link to it thought....O yes..I am also a keen golfer, which I use the Epix for...AW and golf - not good 😂.
I don’t golf but I get tons of questions about it. It’s good to know that the Apple Watch isn’t great at that sport. I figured it might have some interesting apps. 🤷🏻♂️ The Epix is a fantastic option. Glad you’re enjoying it. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
Hello, what is the watch face on the Epix at the beggining?
It’s one of the default Epix Pro watch faces. It’s fantastic. It’s the first thing I noticed about this watch and I loved the colors on this one. 🔥
Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
I have purchased the AWU twice now, with a mix of the original Epix 2 in between and now the 47mm Pro. The Epix Pro will be staying on my wrist until at least the next generation of the Apple Watch Ultra. Optimizing for fitness first, smart watch capabilities second.
I don’t have any inside information but I’m not expecting any huge hardware updates to the AW Ultra. Maybe some color options? 🤷🏻♂️ It’ll be very interesting to see them bring over that micro led tech from the Vision Pro displays. Either way, it’ll be fun to follow. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
@@mlegrand I’d expect slight changes to the AWU hardware as well, maybe not this this year but next.
After going with Garmin the ergonomics that come with discrete, dedicated buttons is a godsend for my workflow, which is mainly rucking, hiking and running at the moment. No need to even look at the screen for most things.
That would actually be a great video subject, when it comes to something like swimming as an example.
@@JasonRaneses - Good call. It's just so easy to hit a button when swimming laps. Same for rucking maybe. Touchscreens are great in some situations but I tend to use buttons much more frequently.
Can either of these watches accurately track heart rate during swims without a strap or does swimming hr accuracy still require an accessory?
Swimming is very difficult for wrist based heart rate monitors. The Apple data looks a little bit better to me than the Garmin but if you really want good data you’d want a chest strap. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
Matt, Apple has two temperature sensors on the watch that could report water temperature. Is there an app that is able to report that out, even after a swim?
I haven't seen it. I use this app called HealthFit to export .fit files but I haven't seen temperature in that export from the Apple Watch. I'm typically wearing two watches and I'll often save my swim at the end and switch over the the temperature display on the Garmin just to get a pool temp reading.
For me it’s the ability to listen to music. I tried a Fenix for two days and the downloaded spotify tracks to bluetooth earbuds sounded like trash. Run w/ music a bunch so was a dealbreaker.
That's good feedback for people to hear. I don't tend to run with music and so I'm not a good judge there. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
Does the Epix Pro measure water temperature during pool and open water swim? I am thinking of switching to Epix but water temp is also crucial for me.
This is an odd one. Some of the Garmin devices used to measure water temperature but then with a software update Garmin had turned it off. I *think* that it was because water was damaging the internals and it was throwing off all of the altimeter data.
But the watch can take the temperature when not swimming. So sadly, I tend to take a water temp and then switch it over to swim mode. 🤦♂️
It’s driving me mad I don’t know what to do 😂 I currently have an Apple Watch 7 and don’t know whether to upgrade to an AWU 2 when they come out or change and go to garmin epix pro 🤷🏻♂️
The lag in the run pace at races on AW is what is so frustrating
The Epix Pro is an amazing watch but you could always wait till after Apple's September event to see what your options are. My gut feeling is that the Ultra won't get a huge upgrade. Maybe color options? 🤷♂️ Eventually I expect the AW to get that new micro LED tech that was featured in the Vision Pro demo. ("Over 4k per eye"). It'll be very neat to see that on these watches.
I always tend to advice people to wait if they can wait. Max out the value of that Series 7!!! Either way, keep me posted on what you end up doing and best of luck!
Nice comparison.
What happened to your 265 review? I saw one on the 965 but not the 265yet...
I just don’t have the watch. Maybe I can find one at some point and get some training in with it. 🤔
@@mlegrand ok. Thanks for the reply.
You front-runner - I waaaas literally going to make this video! Hahaha awesome work - now let me watch it :)
Awesome awesome job. Great video and great work as always!
I’m sure there are a few people that’ll cover this topic. I’m looking forward to seeing your video. 👌
I’d still watch it, maybe talk about the screen in direct sunlight while wearing polarized glasses as I have heard complaints about the non-pro epix
I have the epix pro 51mm and apple watch ultra. I just ran a 50K with both. They both lasted the entire run, the garmin had many days left of battery, but AW had 20% battery left. I was using stryd app on AW. Here is why the Garmin wins. I have had AWU "crash" during two long runs and I lost my run data. I have never had a garmin software crash during a run (I've owned dozens of garmin over the years).
I would say epix pro 51mm is the best fitness watch I have ever owned. Build quality, screen clarity, battery life, hrt sensor, accuracy. It's been a long time since I've found what I would call "a perfect device."
I think that 51mm Epix Pro is something special. The screen in combination with a really impressive battery life is an amazing combination. Not to mention, it has all of Garmin's latest software. There's tons of things that the AWU will do better but for this stuff, 50k, etc. That Epix Pro is a great option. Thanks for posting your feedback!
@@mlegrand Yes it is. I’m loving this device! Also I think it looks much better than the AWU, but that’s obviously subjective.
I finally found a channel that is not apple fan boy and does a proper honest review, thanks a lot 😏👏🙋♂
You’re so welcome! Thanks for the kind words. 👌
Great comparison. I'd prefer the apple watch ultra overall except for one fatal flaw. I'd prefer it if it was smaller or a different form factor rather than the big chunky square.
It's the best form factor. Round is only good for a watch with hands. Would you want a round screen for you pc? :-)
I wonder if they’ll do different sizes when they incorporate that new micro led technology from their Vision Pro VR headset. 🤔 It might be a while.
Can you connect Garmin Varia to Apple watcj with OS10 ?
Nothing like that has been talked about by Apple. That'd be big for me personally. Good call Aurelian!
Thanks for this breakdown! Epix watch face at 2:45?
It’s actually one of the new default options for the Epix Pro. I really like it. Looks like fire 🔥
@@mlegrand Womp womp, of course!
I have ultra 2 watch but want pull the trigger on epix pro cause of better battery and workout metrics do u think its worth the price
Yeah, it’s pretty awesome but I still think there’s thing you’ll miss the ultra 2.
I need everything my phone does, on my wrist. It’s nice to have some sport, athletic & health apps as well. If I was really into tracking my fitness (triathlete?), I would own both, obviously.
I bought the AW Ultra on a whim. I wear it all the time now. All my important information and connectivity to the family, on my wrist. Perfect for travel or when I don’t want to put anything in my pockets, like on a run/hike or just walking the dog. Everything is right there on my wrist. Comms, info, wallet, smarthome control…. The AWU just makes it so seamless and easy.
Yeah, it’s all the smart phone features that really sets this watch apart. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
Mostly agree with your points - the Ultra is a great smartwatch and so-so sports watch the Garmins are the best sport watches but are meh at other things. I keep switching between the Ultra and the 965 and the Epix 2. Was a long time Garmin user till the Ultra came out. I love the functionality of the Ultra (since I have mainly Apple devices) and love not having to lug the phone around on rides. However, the Ultra is frustrating as I need to use at least three different aps to get the same type of functionality from a fitness standpoint that the Garmin provides. The aps data don't always seem to matchup and sometimes don't make any sense given the activity or recovery I have had plus they don't always work that cleanly with the Ultra's hardware. I mainly cycle and the new OS 10 features sound interesting but I wish Apple would allow the Ultra to work with ANT+ and broadcast heartrate to my bike comp. I still have to remember to pop on the chest or armband monitor and I really wish Apple would allow you to disable the touch screen during workouts. The Garmin is great as a fitness tool. I love the metrics especially the training load and the impact your workout has had (or not had - I love when Garmin tells you your workout was shit) on your fitness. The Garmin's are great training tools as they actually track and provide feedback on training and recovery. Plus the battery lasts - the Ultra is decent but I have races that could go 14+ hours I don't want to have to gimp the Ultra (low power mode) to be able to make sure it lasts a long race. I do miss how much more useful the Ultra is for other than workout stuff. So for now will keep watching content and switching between lol.
You can lock the screen with the water lock.
Yeah, 14 hours gets dangerous with the Ultra. And I agree, the way the Garmin does the buttons and disabling of the touch screen during activities. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
Can you do a Garmin Epix 2 Pro vs Enduro 2? 🙏🏼🙏🏼. Tough to decide.
Are you thinking about getting the big Epix 2? It has a larger battery as well. It’s a very nice option.
@@mlegrand well, trying to decide between the two. I thought the Enduro had a larger battery. And was wondering if the Epix had the same features as the Enduro, just with the AMOLED display. I do like the red mode on the Epix 2 for checking the time at night.
@@tbaylo4034 - Yes the two watches have very similar features. The main difference is battery life and display. The larger Epix Pro (51mm) adds a larger battery compared to the smaller sizes. I’d say that’s the one to get if you’re ok with a large watch. 👌
@@mlegrand sounds good! Thanks Brother! I have a Fenix 6 pro solar so the size is not an issue.
Yeah track detection still amazes me on the Apple watch. I’ve used 4 different tracks and it gets the lane numbers spot on. Like how in the world do they know? 😂
I’ve tested a ton of tracks also and so far so good. 🤷🏻♂️
For most people either watch would work. Comes down to looks for me. I'm not a fan of the Apple Watch look. It's like wearing an iphone on your wrist. The other reason is that I want a watch that does sport first and smartwatch second. The 5 button menu navigation on the Garmin is indispensable when trying to navigate the menus while your going at 90% max. Navigating the menue via touch screen at 90% effort will quickly get your effort to 100% without any improvement in forward motion 😂😂
😆 - But I agree. For a lot of people either watch would work. They’re both good options. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
I don’t believe you mentioned AW ultra has cellular and Garmin does not during connectivity. That is a bit of a big difference.
Yeah, that’s a big oversight on my part. Connectivity and being able to basically have a cell phone on your wrist. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
I can’t believe with all of Garmins GPS technology and as big as they are they haven’t come out with their own cell phone. That would be interesting. That could open up a lot of smartwatch features. They could even tie their emergency LTE services into it.
Some sort of emergency satellite/cell phone would be very very interesting. They could probably build it on top of Android just so that they don't have to start from zero. Interesting comment Chris! 👌
They are not that big
They tried 2009-2010 with the Nuvi phone. Have no clue why it failed. I also thought they were more than up to the task.
with watch OS 10 and the amount of apps I can put on the front face, have made this the watch for me. I returned my garmin. Plus AWU syncs with bosch ebike motor and garmin doesn't. The Apple software is noticeably better.
It's always interesting comparing brands like this. I would say that there are probably some things that you might miss about the Garmin. It feels to me that Apple makes a smarter smart watch and Garmin still tends to work best for some very specific athletes. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
I use the apple watch ultra 2 that i absolutely love best smartwatch period but for workout metrics i just bought the fenix 7x pro and this thing is a damn beast 28 days of battery life i was gonna get the epix pro51mm but wanted the mip dispaly i made thr rite decision
Sounds like you’ve tried some really spectacular options. It’s really interesting to compare the two brands. They have very different styles
Garmin 955 is with me
That 955 is such a great watch. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
Interesting video. Thanks for sharing I have a 6x pro which is coming up for 4 years old and feels quite dated. The pros and cons of epix vs awu leaves me unable to decide on an upgrade. 6x is a lousy smartwatch, but good at activities, battery, etc. awu is a great smartwatch but apparently not to great for activities. So I’m telling myself, again, to wait for the awu 3. No idea if there are any major garmin releases due this year. My feeling though is that Apple will win in the end because of more frequent software updates, a bigger ecosystem and they are starting with the smartwatch piece solved, which I sense is the harder thing to do. But who knows…?
100% agree with your assessment and hesitation but the AWU is still a somewhat decent option for sports activities depending on the activity. I'd say it's probably best at running and leaves more to be desired on the biking front. So it kind of depends on what your main activity type. If you can wait for the AWU 3, that's always a good idea. Probably September 🤷♂️
Limited usability when completely wet rules out the AWU for triathlon and for ultra marathons.
I think that's the most frustrating part with the AWU. I have seen Dave from the Chase the Summit channel use an AWU for a shorter ultra marathon. 🤷♂️ Thanks Iñaki!
I think they're both great options. Wish my garmin had more smartwatch features but I'm very happy with it. Garmin definitely is a cut above on health metrics and activity tracking. I love that it has automatic rep counting when lifting weights and a very accurate auto assigned set type (i.e. Front squat, bench press etc). You can also edit all that. One thing that isn't in Garmins favor though is their OS. It still retains the design philosophy of low res MIPS displays (transflective memory in pixel, which is best IN sunlight). Those displays needed bright colors to be more visible in lower light and the low resolution required simple icons and menus. Now that they are moving more and more watches to hi res amoled screens (their epix, Fenix, and forerunner lines all have them now) they really, really need to redesign their layout to take advantage of the bigger higher res displays. The whole layout/formatting is a holdover from a different tech with different requirements for readability. It looks quite dated in my opinion, and doesn't use the large size and res of the amoled like apple. All that being said, I still prefer garmin for the physical buttons (touch inputs are strictly optional) and excellent activity and health metrics. One things for sure though, apple is finally giving garmin some decent competition and garmin's devices are overpriced. Hopefully Apple pushes them to put more smartwatch features and lower the price.
I’d love to see lower prices! I think a major overhaul of the OS would be very tricky for Garmin but eventually it’s got to happen right? 🤷🏻♂️ Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
I need a Apple Watch ultra for Christmas
Absolutely 👍
Incredible video Matt. I’ve been thinking about getting a smart watch but I don’t want it connected to the internet or anything, just steps and calories/fitness stuff. These are probably too fancy for me 😂
Fitbit maybe? There’s a lot of good options these days. 👌
@@mlegrand That's what I was thinking
So far, I prefer Garmin over Apple Watch, because AW don’t have a quality map on screen when I am mounteering, like Garmin (Fenix 6X Pro) yet!
Next fall I heard it was coming Apple Watch Ultra, with brand new watch OS, we will be wait, and seen what happened, and what will be buoyed?!
Yeah, it'll be very interesting to see what's on the final version of WatchOS 10. I'll have some more videos to post about it soon. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
I recently replaced the AWU2 with a Garmin Tactix Delta because I was at awe about the features and the freedom I have with the functions and how easy it is to get the results what you want when you use it. From workouts not being interrupted to using the map while on a walk to the insane battery life the 600 bucks spent on technology that was available in 2019 just blew me away and kind of demonstrated that the Ultra Running Explorer Deep Diver myth Apple is marketing their watch too, is just that. A myth. I don't need to update my Wordpress blog from my watch nor my Facebook page. Making a call is best done with some sort of mobile. However when I'm in a cellular black hole, I for sure know that this 2019 piece of hardware from Garmin will not let me down, it has everything on board and will keep running for days if not weeks. And that's not even the Tactix 7, the latest model. So my AWU2 got passed on to my wife, she's happy with it.
That's a fantastic watch and $600 is actually a pretty good deal on it. Glad you and the wife are happy with each device. 👌
Do u think the fenix 7 solar is worth 600 bucks new and do I think it’s worth it 2023
Well, it’s a really nice watch! $700 seems like a solid deal. It always depends on how much you need it at this point. I’d expect some crazy holiday prices hit who knows. 🤷🏻♂️
@@mlegrand fenix 7 solar is 600 new I have the Apple Watch ultra but want better battery and maps
Purchased my 7 solar over Christmas time and love the battery/wilderness maps, along with total step count for months/years. Really miss the ultras residential maps though. Really feeling like the ultra is perfect for the city, with fenix for the woods. But I’ve been wearing a garmin for 4 years now and don’t want to give up my steps total😭
Yes, but the Elephant in the room for the AWU which doesn't even make it a serious contender as far as I'm concerned is the terrible battery life!
Battery life is a big one. The AWU is about half the battery life of the Epix with the way I use it. It makes a big difference. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
I have been using the Apple Watch Ultra since the day it came out. I use it mainly to track my open water swim sessions. I swim every single day out in the sea. Unfortunately AWU has been acting weird time to time. It's not that reliable in terms of GPS accuracy during open water swimming. What I mean is; out of every 10 swim sessions, 2-3 of them gets wrong distance and bad GPS points. However there are also times when AWU works fantastic, GPS accuracy is spot on. So I don't know why it's been doing this tbh. Seems like a software bug that Apple isn't fixing. Yesterday I swam 7000 meters, AWU thinks I did 8500 meters. But before that I did a 4k, and it measured 4k exact with perfect tracking. It's really annoying to jump in the water and not know whether AWU will provide correct data today or not.. Btw, I. just found out about "Precision Start" feature on AWU and turned it on, I'll try with that one tomorrow.
Let me know if you have better results with that turned on. I've found GPS to be super accurate on the Ultra when biking and running but open water swimming is the one spot it seems to fall a little short when compared to Garmin. I don't think Apple is taking this small market segment too seriously. 🤷♂️ It's an extremely useful watch out of the water. Keep at it and let me know what you figure out. Thanks Canlnelli!
Also, you should keep making videos. So good!!! 👍
It’s a shape issue for me with the AWU. If they made a circular version I’d be all over it.
A while back I made a video making fun of the Apple Watch and it's square shape. It's an odd choice but it doesn't seem like they'll ever move away from it. 🤷♂️
I’m rotating my left hand between the 7x & enduro 2 😂it’s a battle who goes on the hand
Whilst the right hand I’m not the biggest Apple user but damn that AWU works like a charm always on my right hand that’s right Apple has the best smart watch plus LTE🤔
Last vid I said nothing garmin can do to make me buy a another watch
Epix pro 51mm lol dammnit that sweet oled display plus light 😅
Haha nice try garmin my wallet is saved ☺️😄
Great vid btw 👍👏
That 51mm battery life is also 👌. And it’s interesting, I’m using the AWU on my right and some other test watch on the left as well. Thanks Max!
2:00 haven't garmin watches generally been multi-band for years? everyone's talking like this is some new amazing feature, but you could switch on GPS + Galileo etc on watches from years ago.
Also, i wish it'd be talked about more how smaller battery life means a shorter device life. Say a Li-ion battery gets 500 cycles (as a high-estimate at that) before being too degraded - if you're charging once every 2 weeks that's plenty of years of use, but if you're charging every 3 days, so 120 times a year, you're maybe getting 4 years out of an $800 watch. In theory as long as it's under 5 years they have to offer you an out-of-warranty solution to that (at least under EU law), but tbh more people should take this into consideration who don't
This new GPS chipset (as of about a year ago) allows for two different frequencies which means that the chip can connect to two different types of GPS satellite systems at the same time. It's a little different that what Garmin had before.
Good call on the battery life. Right at about 2 years these lithium ion batteries start to degrade.
I use my ultra's light at night when I wake to not stump my toes heading out for water toilet or getting ready for work and it works flawlessly !!!! I dont need an LED plus apples metrics are much more accurate!
Well, two things. It's hard to say that you don't need an LED flashlight when you've never tried one. It's fantastic. If you like your AWU's light, you'd love this. But you'd also miss all of the smart features. I don't know if you made it through the entire video but I did compare a lot of the metrics and it's hard to say if Apple or Garmin is more accurate. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
@@mlegrand I went ahead and Purchased the Garmin Forerunner 965 for the maps but I am thinking of returning it and getting the Epix Pro not just for the LED but the maps I think right now Garmin has better mapping or easier to use maps than the AWU it is one gripe I have had about the AWU. Battery Life was never an issue as I throw both apple watches on the charger every morning when I shower and by the time I am ready to leave out for work /play they are ready to roll. All though it has been very nice not having to worry with throwing the Garmin on but that was never a deal breaker for me.
@@mlegrand and thanks for your hard work bringing all this info to us consumers to make better decisions before we purchase, what may be good for me may not be good for everyone else.
I think when, if Apple Watches improve on the battery life and give you options to buy a bigger round watch face as well as the current shape and get better at more sports related like the Garmin watches the gap will close, and if Garmin get more into being a smart watch then every will be happy 😎😎😎
I would be very surprised if Apple ever made a round watch. It could happen, I’d just be surprised. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
For me the Epix removes all the reasons I own a Garmin such as VERY LONG battery life and solar charging in the 7x Solar Sapphire. Ironically, the 7x is easier to see outside than the Epix as the sun actually helps the screen. I also wear an Apple Watch Ultra as the technology is truly light years ahead. The Garmin is like an Atari, complete with sounds, while the AWU is like a PS4. I wear my 7x because of the health metrics such as stress and body battery. Also, if I have no cell reception, the Garmin keeps tracking. The Apple Watch is great for receiving phone calls, using Siri to schedule meetings or look something up, get taps from my maps app while driving so I don't miss a turn and much more. So sadly, I have to wear two expensive watches to get all the functionality I want.
I’m right there with you on wearing two watches. 🤦♂️ It’ll be an interesting market place to watch over the next few years. I’ll be very curious to see if Apple uses that micro LED display from its Vision Pro on their AW Ultra in the future. That’s going to be game changing. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
@@mlegrand Thank you for your video and the kind reply. I'm in Thailand and people here think it's cool when I have two watches on. However; when I encounter Americans or Europeans they look at me like I'm crazy. So, I would love to see all this tech merged for sure :)
@@TheThaiLife - Amazing channel by the way! Keep up the good work there!!!
@@mlegrand That is so kind of you, thank you!
As a runner has to be Garmin. Hate it when you are sweaty and apple touch screen fails.
So. Many. Times. Requiring a touch screen for functionality is a failure of design. When do I get to talk to some Apple engineers about this. I'm confident that I can prove my point. Thanks Heinrich!
No need to control by touch
Why garmin titanium (bezel and back case) are to easy scratches? I feel the titanium on the apple watch ultra is way more durable?
It’s probably the coating they use on top of the titanium? 🤷🏻♂️ I’ve seen a fair amount of scratches on my Epix 2.
@@mlegrand what abaout your epix pro? It’s looks like many scratches in this video. I have Fenix 7x with bare titanium bezel, just 2 weeks use (just casual use) and there’s begin few scratches already… now realy want to buy epix pro (because the amoled display and the battery) but still traumatized with the bezel performance…
@@pendakimandiri7982 - This was a demo unit from Garmin that must have had some miles on it. I used it for a few weeks and returned it to Garmin. It was showing signs of scratches in my opinion but I’m also using lighting and a macro lens to show off the issues.
@@mlegrandi see… one more question, based on your experience using those two watch, did you mention that AW ultra is more durable? My friend have AW ultra with 6 months use, and it’s still no scratches at all (even no macro scratches).
Thankyou very much for your advice. One of the best channels I’ve ever found. Subscribed 👍
@@pendakimandiri7982 - I wouldn’t ever crown a winner as to most durable but I’ve also had my Ultra since it first became available and it’s looking really good. 👍
i bought garmin forerunner in May and like it for runs but miss my apple watch and all the great features with iphone. Today is the first day i put my apple watch back on
It’s tricky when comparing these very different brands. I really think that there things you’ll miss about either. Keep me posted on what you think after having the AW back on for a few days. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
@@mlegrand Decided to go with Apple and sell Garmin. it’s just the eco system and it all working so seamlessly.
Having lots of data means nothing if the data aren’t reliable…
Too much data isn’t interesting, at least for me.
Watch Ultra for me since October and I never even consider a Garmin watch.
The Watch Ultra is like a Swiss Army knife. It does almost everything very well. And with WorkOutDoors, what’s missing on the Watch Ultra is present right away!
I’ve found the Garmin Epic Pro to be as accurate as the Apple Watch Ultra in my testing. It was actually a bit more accurate on open water swimming. (Not that it’s a common activity type 🤷🏻♂️)
For swimming, I use the FORM Smart Goggles! The one and only deal breaker with Garmin for me is no cellular connectivity. I love that people can call my watch and I just answer with my Shockz headphones. Worth every penny!
The Form swim goggles are actually pretty cool. I've reviewed them here on the channel a while back. But the app and how it tracks swim sets is actually really impressive. It might be the best on the market regardless of product types. Do you swim with the Shockz headphones? I know they make a water pair. I've been wanting to make a 'best swimming headphones' type of video for a really long time. We'll see if it ever happens. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
@@mlegrand Yes, I used to swim with the waterproof Shockz, although I would not recommend them! While the concept is cool, the sound of the water (even with earplugs on) often overpowers the music. Furthermore, it is often in the way of me when swimming, since I can feel it slightly dragging me. I would honestly not brother reviewing them since I highly doubt you will have a good experience :) Unfortunately I haven’t come across good swimming headphones yet. Nevertheless, if you do end up finding a good pair, I will happily use your affiliate link to buy them :)
Volkswagen beetle 2000 vs Watch of our time 🤓
Choices 😆
finally Garmin will be sport watch and Apple Watch will be good for both of smart watch and sport watch
Because apple will upgrade their software nearly Garmin but Garmin can’t be a good smart phone
Because of eco system of phone is not easy for garmin to do like this.
Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
Apple Watch ultra can be used as a BMW digital key
Oh that's really cool. I need to add that to a video. I also need a BMW. 😂
Nice scratches on the Epix ^^ (none on my Ultra as far ^^)
The Macro lens shows every detail. Good, bad and ugly. My AWU also seems to be holding up extremely well. I have a feeling that it has something to do with the coating that they put on these titanium watch bodies but I don’t know for sure. 🤷🏻♂️
Hi Matt👋🏼 I have apple ecosystem but I'd prefer garmin watches of course😁 inspite of all pros of AW they have one, but biiig minus - battery life😂
Huge minus. I’m seeing about 2X the battery life on the Epix Pro. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
@@mlegrand the more u do for your subs - the more we appreciate that 🙌🏼😃
Just sent my AWU back and slapped my Garmin back on. AWU is still a toy. You need subscriptions to get like half of the info the Garmin gives you for free basically but then can’t even run a 2h run and listen to music at the same time because the battery will die halfway through. The action button is useless most of the time and try to use a touchscreen when you sweat like pig after a hard workout. Or try to exactly time a swim when you have to unlock the screen prior to any action. The Garmin I can use without even looking at. The AW I need special gloves or remove them from my hands just to use it outside in winter. Apple should give the AWU a real battery and make it an actual „ultra“ watch with button nav. Imho the AWU is too expensive for what it really is.
My two cents: the AWU is a high class smart watch with the basics in sport and the Garmin is a high class sports watch with like the most basic smart watch features.
Buttons are underrated. I like touchscreens but I always tend to gravitate towards physical buttons unless it’s a map screen or something like that. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
Buttons are underrated. I like touchscreens but I always tend to gravitate towards physical buttons unless it’s a map screen or something like that. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
My BOTTOM LINE:
Apple just not ready for Prime Time. Perhaps in 4-5 years they’ll catch up with reality.
Thanks for posting your feedback Bob. It seems like Apple is interested in making progress here but they’ve got a ways to go. Should be interesting to watch over the next few years. 👍
“Garmin fan boys” will talk about the battery life. Which is absolutely, hands down better than the Apple Watch’s. All said regarding the bias in this review ;) almost succeeded in passing the idea that between the 2 it’s like splitting hairs 😂
Interesting, you’re saying I’m biased in favor of Apple? I typically get the opposite argument on this channel but that’s good. I’m a huge fan of Garmin and their gps devices but I don’t have any desire to be in the pocket of any one company. 👍
I hate to tell you this but the past tense of swim is swam
Will fix in future videos. Thanks for putting up with this past tense vs. past participle mistake. 👍
Garmin any day of the week. Not even close. Apple is only better when it comes to like smart stuff, answering calls and shit. Sports, oudtdoors, military, navigation, battery, looks, durability and everything else. Garmin destroys. Looks might be opinion, but imo garmin looks much better with that rugged, military rough manly looks. Apple looks like a toy, meanwhile garmin looks like something Arnold in predator would wear. I have epix 2 titanium, saphire black and looks lovely. Getting tactix 7 pro for that much more rugged manly man looks.
Yeah, looks are very individual. It's intersting. I think Apple is trying to improve in this space. It could be a fun to watch over the next few years. I'll be watching. . .
It don’t compare I own the Apple Watch ultra I am thinking on buying a fenix 7 cause I miss the garmin metrics a lot better the ultra is nice but battery still isn’t good and it’s the same old same apple iOS
Exactly, it’s WatchOS 9 (or 10). The watch body is nice but ultimately it’s still an Apple Watch. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
@@mlegrand of course love ur stuff man
@@danielvargo4498 - Thanks Daniel!
They don't compare, the AW ultra still has awful battery life. Would never consider it over my Epix
Awesome! Glad you're loving the Epix. What do you think of the slight upgrade of the Epix Pro?
Hi, I hv been using FR945 for last over 3 yrs & Apple watch 7 for over one & half yrs. The information, FR946 provides is awesome compared to Apple watch. Apple watch doesn’t provide barometer reading. 3rd party apps are totally inaccurate & unreliable for barometer reading wherein FR945 provides almost correct pressure. Hv compered barometer/elevation for over two weeks. I believe, with Garmin watch, one can predict weather through observation of pressure change.
FR945 provides aerobic & anaerobic effect, no of counts of weight, push ups, squats, or any repeat exercise which are missing with Apple watch. FR945’s Body battery & sleep scores are brilliant. I have observed that if you do an exercise before going to bed or have alcohol late in evening, the next day, your body battery wouldn’t charge properly & your sleep score would be reduced than a normal day. Apple is totally missing on this feature.
I believe Apple watch still in generation-1 wherein Garmin is at gen-4 or 5 especially with fitness features.
Despite my love for Garmin, I must admit that using Garmin as well as Apple watch just confuses me more & more. After a week of using FR945, I get bored & then use apple watch 7 & keep repeating😅 . This left my FR945 without adequate data for the period I use apple watch.
I'm right there with Sanjay! I'm constantly switching which mixes up all of my long term data and recovery metrics. Thanks so much for posting your thoughts on this. Super helpful. 👍
One is a delicious apple. It tastes fantastic, it feels soft and is a pleasure to use - and it is a great sport and fitness tracker on top of it. The other one is just a tool. it does what it has to do very good, better then the apple even. Make your choice.
Yum 🤤 🍎
apple watch is for people who want to look smart and are always close to the charger..lmao. so much money for so bad battery life in apple watch is a joke..i will choose any garmin watch anytime..apple watch is a good looking toy :)
Close to a a charger! 🔌 😆
And Garmin is for people that want to look like they're an athlete but actually work a 9-5 and then brag about their remaining battery life when they do a single 2 hour hike with their kids and wife on the weekend.
@@Lukas_Seidl still more activity then apple watch ultra do..lmao..and funny most athletes prefer real watches then apple toy..but you will never get it since you are just another apple sheep who knows absolutely jack about technology.lmao....have a great day..lol
Actually, it's not even a good looking toy!
Shits just plain Ugly!
You can't fix Ugly! 😮😢😅😂
It doesnt matter how good the apple watch is when it only lasts a day.
Very good point. It doesn't do much good if it's dead. It's interesting. People who have owned Apple Watches and switch to the Apple Watch Ultra, rave about the battery life. I think those of us that haven't had a history of Apple Watches expect a bit more. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
Good thing I sleep in a house with electricity.
Imagine apple to buy garmin
That would be a very interesting purchase.
@@mlegrand yep,imagine a smartwatch with garmins battery, ultra design and ios capabilities and maybe why not,amoled
Not fair to compare Garmin is much better
Maybe not fair but it's fun to compare either way. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
2 days battery 😂
Good call The G. I did mention it in the video but it's a huge difference. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
Tf you need a flashlight on your watch 😂
💯 the new must have
Apple Watch Ultra was made by cubicle workers, for cubicle workers. It can't even last three days. What kind of watch can't even last three days?
There is no comparison. Garmin wins.
The AW Ultra seems to me to be making progress towards some of these fitness objectives. Battery life seems like it'll always be an issue but we'll see. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
When does that actually matter though? My phone can't last 3 days either and it isn't an issue.
A couple times now I have tried to like Garmin watches, first with a Fenix 6 Pro and then recently with an Epix Gen 2. Both times Garmin let me down big time with sleep tracking. It’s so bad for me it’s basically unusable, and due to that it made scores like Body Battery or Training Readiness absolutely pointless. So until Garmin manages to figure out sleep tracking, I’ll have to stick with Apple.
That’s interesting. I actually like Garmin’s sleep tracking. I only wish it had an option for naps. I can see how Apple’s more accurate sleep start and end times might be appealing but I like the way Garmin displays it in their morning report. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
Sadly the garmin doesn't do half the things the apple does , and that's probably why the battery last so much longer , the app ecosystem is pathetic just a load of nerdy fitness apps , I've succumbed for the golf as the golf watches are so basic, you don't even mention the apple has GSM capability just that garmin has ant !!
Yeah, I should have mentioned that when I was talking about all of the wireless capabilities. Some Garmin models have the option but not this Epix Pro. Thanks 6GSF!
well to answer phone and reply to messages having iPhone there is no other way then to have iwatch. and thats what its gonna be. always. Apple will never let Garmin to answer iphone calls or see pictures from imessages. So you end up having both.
It feels a little anti competitive to me. I'd like to see a standard API for third party watches (and the Apple Watch) Maybe some day 🤷♂️
Yep, someday (just like in a fairytale😂)when Apple lets Garmin response with iPhone, their sales regresses very quickly🤷🏻♂️ so they won't do that😪
I will like the video to help the channel but pointless to watch this. This is not even a close comparison.
Well thank you . . . I think. 🤔 It's funny because I don't disagree. These are very different watches and yet it's a comparison that a lot of people want to see. I think there's a group of people that are considering Garmin over their Apple Watches at the moment. 🤷♂️
@@mlegrand I have everything apple too. Expect the watches. They are so pointless. Deign is awful. Garmin is the only way to go.
@@mlegrand you are welcome. I really enjoy your videos, very well done
Good video but the battery part should have been extended. Apple watch is 3 day at max. With alway on screen off. The epic pro has up to 31 days . It's not double the time. Not even by a long run
I tend to get 2-3 days with the AWU with the screen always on and about 6-7 days on the Epix Pro with screen always on. However, if you look at that 51mm Epix Pro! Wow, that things looks amazing.
"Within Three, 1/100th of a Kilometer", would be within 30 meters.🏊♂️ 🛰️
Hmm 🤔 - that would have been a smarter way to say that. 100 meters off vs 30 meters off or maybe I should have expressed it as a percentage of total distance.