I think you already proved that putting the Mac in the freezer can easily boost your rendering times... So moving to Antarctica could be a viable alternative?
Please stop stylzing your bar graphs to the point that they are difficult to understand without pausing the video. Top to bottom, left to right. Don't do this weird folding thing anymore please.
Wes W Yes, good data plots should be easy to understand. When you add to much fluff people like myself don't even care to try and understand what's going on
So I ordered Grizzly Kryonaut (I live in Germany and it is a German product, so it is actually cheaper here) and replaced my thermal paste on my mid-2013 MacbookAir. I also Geek-Benched my Mac before and after, and for good measure, I also used third party software to control the fan speed. First, I tested it with the fan set to auto and the 2nd time with the fan speed set to max. The results were really interesting. Before replacing the thermal paste, I got 2617 (auto fan) and 2963 (max fan). After cleaning out all of the dust in my MacbookAir, including the fan and replacing the dry and cracked thermal paste, my scores improved but changing the fan speed NO LONGER HAD ANY EFFECT, I got 2972 (both with the fan set to auto and to max). I didn't believe that thermal paste would make such a difference, but it did! More interestingly, increasing the fan speed only had an effect on the old, dry OEM thermal paste. A~10% improvement for $7-$8 USD is not bad. Color me amazed. Definitely recommended!
I just replaced the thermal paste of my 2011 maxed out 15 inch macbook pro, its was 8 years or intensive use, 12-14 houres a day running, editing photos and videos, sending emails and running my photography bussiness. My Gpu died in 2014 even after apple fixed it for free, i managed to disable the dedicated gpu so i could use my pc and so i did (only runs with the intel GPU). My computer had sooo much dust, the heatsink was completly full of dust and cotton. One of the fans couldnt even spin ver well. My computer now fells wayyyy faster and much much cooler and quieter. Im going to wait for the new 16 inch macbook pro and im going to sell this trusty machine that has been with me for everything. Btw when rendering i always pushed the fans to the max speed for faster speed and i still do that. I guess i never cleaned it out cuz i need the pc running every time im free and im not working.
I love that you quote Linus Tech Tips; what I prefer of youtube is the connetion between yotubers, while in television rival channels act like they don't know each other, in youtbe there are no rivals, but friends. Really really like
Before I got a gaming PC, I was rocking a MBP 15inch 2015. And it runs HOT! 100 Celsius when playing forza horizon. So what I did is open the macbook pro, use macsfancontrol to set to 6200rpm, and put it in a mini fridge, while have a hdmi cable sticking out of the fridge to connect to the monitor. Then my framerate boost from 45 fps to over 80! And I'm surprised that the MBP still works just fine after 2 years in the fridge.
I'm using a 12 years old fridge, so I won't mind to stress it to get better performance on my Macbook Pro. Plus, we already got a brand new fridge to store food.
Jack Jin I personally use an aluminum pad with 3 fans places directly underneath my ASUS RoG GL502’s intakes. Combined with a custom fan curve, average temps in Horizon 3 was around 80 degrees, with the GPU being much lower (around 69). Both were maintaining turbo clocks and running at 90+ FPS on near-maxed settings (turned AA down to 2x MSAA and used MFAA instead).
Waiting for apple to take your idea and the inevitable "new MacBook pro 2018! Using a revolutionary engineering process, our product is now 9% cooler and 20% more expensive"
Dissipating a dozen or so watts on this tinee tiny heat synk is very impressive. Certainly they could have done a much better job if it was their goal.
victornpb not really. The fact that it hits those temps with it's processor choice compared to some laptops which are passively cooled (albeit with half the spec CPU thermal wattage). Most oversized heatsinks on desktops are designed for less than 80c at load OC with a chip producing about 10× the thermal waste quieter than a laptop.
Garirry 5 cents on a thermalnpaste is probably a crappy thermal paste Do think of it as 1dollar per computer Think of it as making more money for apple That’s what they want Let’s say thay a MacBook Pro fully loaded cost 2 grand th manufacturing for it cost 1 grand and they sold 1 million of them if they spent that extra the manufacturing of it is going to cost 1001 dollars per computer If apple did spend it they are going to make ( a number that calculator app says as 1.001e9) If they didn’t spend it it’s going to be ( a number that apple reads as 1e9)
The shitty fact is, Apple won’t spend a few extra dollars on it. Even though they’re a billion dollar company. That’s how shitty it is. They don’t care about quality. Just quantity
Can you do a video running this final cut test using different cooling pads or external fans? I'd be interested to see if something like that could get the machine cool enough to never thermal throttle.
I sit my entire macbook on a Sonnet pcie thunderbolt chassis, which has a fan cooling it. It makes a massive difference to the performance. When I'm working away I often just grab a kitchen pot and sit the computer on it to help dissipate heat from the chassis. Be interesting to see an actual comparison of this kind of thing.
This really works! I changed stock thermal paste to Thermal Grizzly around 2 months ago and my Late 2013 15 Inch MBP works fine now. Before that it was always overheating even when watching youtube videos in high res.
I very much like that you not only show the benefits and hazards... but question if the gains are worth the risk. This is clear thinking that seems to be lacking in our typical "gotta make my Mac the best" DIY geeks. You just gained a sub from me.
Good point. I recently found my Macbook Pro (Early 2013) heating up even on normal computing use. It would shutdown automatically after only 1 or 2 sec of UA-cam video. So I cleaned the dust off the fans and around other components (most were on the two fan areas) and reapplied the thermal paste using a good quality product (one I think that has the highest density of highly thermal conductive metal particles, and therefore heat conduction). The results are amazing - I haven't tried 4K or 1080p video editing yet, but I can now watch UA-cam videos for hours. It's like I now have a new Macbook Pro; or a rejuvenated one at least. I'm one very happy soul. :-)
I found your videos a few days ago looking for MacBook Pro 2017 reviews and man I have to tell you that it's such a pity I haven't discovered your videos earlier. Dynamic, interesting and well explained you've won a new subscriber :) Really good job :D
Grizzly Kryonaut worked well on my MBPr 15" Mid 2015 where the lowest temp was 48C where prior to that it was at 61C. However, it didn't work well with my MBPr 13" Early 2015. What works though was the Arctic MX-4. The lowest temp that the book is getting now is 46C and prior to that, it was at 70C. And yes, changing the thermal paste on a MBPr 15" is not an easy feat compared to the MBPr 13".
Try the same trick that Dell XPS owners have been employing and add some really high quality thermal pad material all along the heat pipe so that you basically turn the entire bottom of the laptop into an extended heatsink. Apparently it makes worlds of difference for the XPS, so I can only imagine that it would do similarly in your application. Just beware, it will make the bottom a few degrees more toasty, though it will spread the heat out better. So win some, lose some.
I replaced the thermal paste on my late 2013 MBP. I used Gelid Extreme and it helped improve overall CPU performance. I noticed this mostly in Serato DJ Pro software when analysing audio for critical data to aid mixing.
I just did this on my 2012 15" non-Retina MacBook Pro, two days ago. Removed the stock - and totally dried, for the mention - thermal paste and applied a new one; an ordinary, non-special compound? Yeah, but at least it's brand new. Any difference? For me... none at all. Now I'm ordering a decent compound like the ones shown on the vid and I'll repeat the process on my machine, see if I get any improvement this time.
UPDATE: I bought an Arctic MX-4 tube and replaced my MacBook Pro's thermal paste once more. Today (Sep 13th) the weather is hot as hell, here in Brazil (Jundiaí / SP, precisely) - about 32ºC. Rendering a 4K video in Handbrake using SuperHQ 1080p30 preset, my Core i7-3720QM temp peaked at 102,4ºC, stabilizing at 98... 97ºC, fans at 5500 rpm (below its maximum - 6200 rpm) and no Thermal Throttle. In fact,, the MacBook continues to heat up as a burger plate but it was worth the job; happy to know there'll be no performance decrease, at all. Next time, I'll collect idle temperatures and repeat the rendering test in a much colder day.
I thought you were going to do something externally like a cooling pad of some sort. Been running my MPB on a cooling pad since day one just for preventing long term wear & tear, hopefully it's been giving me faster performance too!
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I have tried that on my Asus Q551L a month ago with a Noctua thermal paste. No temperature difference. Turns out Asus already uses a good thermal dissipation solution.
Félix Batista Sorta depends. Higher end laptops usually have a good thermal paste application and quality out of the factory and gaming laptops usually already have a very beefy cooler such as the RoG laptops and the multi-heat pipe array of some MSI laptops like 7 on the GE63.
Just in case you're interested - upon watching the video I got an idea about putting a thermal pad on top of the cpu heat pipe so that it contacts the bottom cover and is able to use it as additional heat dissipator. Also, the radiator on this thing is pathetic. Dells with 15W CPUs have bigger radiators in them.
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your graphs gave me a headache, dont use those again pls
I can't argue with the colour blind comment, but I can say I strongly disagree with OP. I liked the style of these graphs and they were super easy to read and follow.
It's funny how people like you become douchebags on the internet. I'm sure you'd formulate your sentence a lot differently if you had Quinn in front of you. Bitch that you are.
When Apple decides that acoustics > performance. No laptop should ever thermal throttle under a normal heavy load like video editing, especially a Mac since most Apple users use Macs for creative purposes. I believe Final Cut Pro is the best video editing software for people who need to edit on a laptop due to background rendering. Make the laptop half a cm bigger, put a bigger battery and more thermal cooling into the laptop so performance doesn't suffer. Have the fans spin as low as they can, but when the cpu temperatures are around 70 start increasing the rpm.
D.O.A. I don't get it, pro = professional, so most pro users would be using video editing and photo editing. I can almost guarantee that most pro users would rather have a thicker laptop that will never thermal throttle with a 100% cpu load. With a thicker laptop, more battery, so longer editing times off the charger, lower fan speeds at idle cpu usage, and overall better laptop sacrificing only two minor "drawbacks" being acoustics and size.
Those of you who applied Kryonaut more than a year ago, what are your temps today? I ask because the Kryonaut website says the paste won't quickly dry UNLESS the temps are 80°C and higher. As we MBP users all know, temps reach 99°C quite often and stay that way while video editing, exporting, or even watching 4K videos in Chrome. I wrote Thermal Grizzly an email in late July 2019 and here's what they told me: "if you get high temperatures and maybe also throttling because of these temperatures we would recommend using Kryonaut for better performance. High Temperatures can result in faster deterioration. Thermal Paste will always get a bit hotter after time because it dries out, but it is not like it will wear off in 2 weeks. We would recommend repasting it every 1-2 years to get the best result, but we also have had people who are using the same paste for 5 years with 80+ degrees celsius." In contrast, MX-4 is made to last 8 years. MX-4 beat MX-2, so I am wondering if it wouldn't be better to just use MX-4 instead of Kryonaut. Hmmm...
My Clevo P150 runs a little hot with its 7-3940XM from time to time under extreme CPU load, but do not worry guys the heatsink in my laptop is thicker than the 2016 Macbook Pro, so it cools it REAL nice.
Same my asus g750jw heat sink is pretty thick and so is my gpu heatsink as well, it can pretty much handle games and high temps with efficient cooling.
Good job Snazzy! Kryonaut is the best paste for low wattage CPU's in my testing. IC Diamond follows second. Liquid metal is great too but most of todays laptops have their fans curve scale with temps ultimately nullifying Liquid Metal. Plus the prep work is more than the average Joe would attempt.
You can undervolt your macbook with a program called Volta. As long as you don't undervolt so much that you system gets unstable, undervolting will make the cpu produce less heat. I have mine at -90 mV, and it definitely throttles way less, especially with longer usage
I would differ on this not being something one can do, even if this seems trepidatious for most users. From the looks of it, that thermal paste of a 2017 15" MacBook Pro matched the look of my 2010 15" MacBook AFTER I changed the thermal paste on my Mac in 2016. Six years worth of use and the original factory paste looked about the same as yours did in less than a years worth of use. Let that sink in. .
That's an awesome way to do bar charts. May steal for my work reports. Only improvement would to be to make the bars connect (aka the upper category is left bar and bottom category is the right-most bar).
well it's the macbook's heatsink thermal transfer limit that causes the marginal improvement, the heatsink just can't transfer heat any faster, so the MX-2 makes more sense. A grizzly is much better when used with large tower heatsink or GPU.
The only thing better would be a liquid-metal TIM, but seeing as the chassis is aluminium, it might not be a good idea to use a Gallium based TIM. Not to mention its also extremely conductive, expensive, & difficult to apply. Then top that off with such a pathetic heatsink, its not worth the extra cost or effort... you'd almost be better off applying some TIM between the heatpipe and baseplate... lol
Reka Primasetyo thermal grizzly is not that much better than artic mx4. i tested both on a hyper 212 evo and a fx8320 @4,6ghz and grizzly is 2 or 3°c better at best. not worth the difference in price
Nah The two best choices in terms of value and performance are Noctua nht-1 And Coolaboratory liquid pro The liquid pro is the best solution on the market. It's used for CPU delids and in world record attempts. But it isn't paste The nht-1 compound has been determined as the best thermal paste before you get into things like liquid metal.
That’s interesting… I used Thermal Grizzly’s Liquid Metal thermal paste on my 2008 MacBook and it didn’t really affect the cooling as much as I hoped. It did prevent the ocasional drop in clockspeed down to ~1600 MHz but compared to eight year old thermal paste I really expected a more noticable difference.
Mark Linsangan You u noobs all cry bullshit, need to run a heavy process, use the cloud, why use a ultra thin client for heavy work loads? How can we remove this channel? Sweet? why call it sweet? romance? need a candy boy? sweet is good here? Told this noob channel in the last Video, but he never get's anything, hard to remove this bullshit, why so many lame video's? read what his community cry's here!
I have some medical icepacks from an old operation on my toe, they work like a charm. I place them under a try so as not to have them touch the computer bottom directly.
I always do this to not just every Mac, but every laptop I get. I use noctua nt-h1 and the difference is noticeable. My current 13" Air hits 93-94C under full load instead of 100 and no longer throttles. I can even play games in windows by using throttlestop and downvolting the CPU and GPU for extra cooling.
Would you consider trying this with liquid metal, for SIENCE? You'd have to look into what metals your die caps and heatspreader are made from (likely nickel and copper respectively) since gallium doesn't play nice with aluminium, but I'd love to see if it's possible and how large the improvelemts are.
I did this to my 2010 Macbook Pro. Fan used to be running 100% most of the time, and it probably was thermal throttling. Now the fan only kicks in when it's doing intensive work.
Re applied on a MacBook air and discovered that apple only put thermal paste on one of the thermal points (there were 2). Same thing on a second MacBook air I did...
I'm not sure if you'd be interested in doing this, but there is a method for de-lidding (removing the metal cap above the cpu) and replacing the compound with liquid metal compound). This makes a dramatic difference on overclocking 7700k to 5.1ghz. And lowers temps by 20+C. It's much more difficult/risky to do, but I'd be very interested to see the results! 😁
One best solution I did to my Macbook pro late 2011, I just remove the backlight pad at the back of the keyboard and I got the best ventilation and no overheating ever, just increasing air flow fix the problem. Just make sure you don't spill any liquid on the keyboard that will damage the board beneath the keyboard.
I wish doing the same thing on a 2016/2017 MacBook 15inch model was so easy. On those models you have to take the entire machine apart it seems. Maybe you can do the same test on a 15" model to compare results to the 13" model.
@Quinn It is still thermalthrottling...Can you please take the Backcover off and check temps again. Or go Hardwcore and drill a bit hole into the backcover and cover it with some sort of grill like a speakermetalmesh.
What if you apply non-conductive thermal paste (or thermal pads) to the top of the heatsink as well and use the bottom of macbook as a large heat spreader? It already gets plenty hot as you said so if that's unavoidable then how about figuring out a way to use it as a large heat spreader?
Thats what I do. But I added copper sheeting to the bottom of the macbook so there was even more area for the heat. -edit- forgot to add, when traveling or at home i use this slim simple "thermal pad" thats basically an aluminum grid, with plenty of holes so the macbook is off the surface and allows more air to flow through, and it has a button to turn on/off a series of fans, large fans with slow rpm can also be used, but they increase air flow. On its own i noticed this helped the macbook with not throttling but along with upgrading a replacement better thermal paste (next time ill add crushed diamond powder) and adding the copper sheeting to the bottom (inside cover) of the macbook body shell, it rarely throttles now :)
@@djw1091994... i feel pretty foolish realizing i had not thought of this obstacle... i suppose im feeling even more foolish admitting to someone on yt! Haha, but now that youve made me aware of it, im going to revisit the project with the temp. Of the battery in mind. I suppose its been simple blind luck, and completely accidentally, enough air flow preventing the battery from overheating, thats kept the macbook chugging along. Luckily i enjoy these sort of "customize your hardware" style projects!
@@kuzadupa185 Hey I mean props for admitting faults, that's rare quality these days. Macs have tons of ambient temp sensors, you can use utility apps to see the various component temps. I use iSTAT Menus. My M1 Max 16" MBP has a battery temp sensor. In a 75F room the battery is currently at 89F while the CPU is at 128F. The fans are off. Based on the bars next to the sensors, I think the fans will kick on to make sure the battery stays below 100F. Maybe 110F? Not that the battery will cease to stop working at 110F but probably doing permanent damage at that point? According to Apple's website my specific model has a max operating temp of 95F and a storage max temp of 113F. Absolutely no idea what that means, there are many environments above 95F. Like sitting at a coffee shop in front of a window on sunny day, or working outside, or if you live in a dessert climate. I suppose my fans will try to keep it under 95F and in machines with no fans it will throttle? My battery is 90F as I write this with my laptop on my lap and plugged into the wall, the fans are completely off and haven't turned on after 5 hours of work.
@@djw1091994 Ive always felt the quicker I admit to a mistake the sooner I can learn something new. Rather focus on the new knowledge vs on hiding some mistake. Appreciate your comment and the info about iStat. I think storage temp is just like you describe it, when device is off but being stored somewhere like a shelf or backpack. But off. Im more worried about damage to the battery due to extreme temps, in this case, high heat. Nothing worst then trying to improve one part of a devicr only to damage another part! Although now im curious about using some extra heat reflector fabric I have saved over when I recently installed it as insulation in my attic (summer temps used to reach in the attic of above 110, now they float just below 100, and thats with just the reflection of ambient heat), maybe I can insulate/cut off the battery and the heat it makes on its own, away from the heat made by the other portions of the macbook... Anyway thanks for the info and rare patience & knowledge. Goodluck with your proejcts!
Laser cutting in the bottom shell an air vent for the fan would've been too much? Even test it without the bottom pannel would've been nice just to see if intake fresh air directly helps. Also, for that thing, liquid metal can only save it.
A few months ago, i owned a macBook, and i watched star Wars TFA in FullHD on it. I kept the macBook sitting on my legs. As the movie was done my legs were red and turned back normal 6 days later :P
I couldn't comment below the follow on video. So I am here. In the follow on video Snazzy uses liquid metal instead of thermal paste. You can go beyond liquid metal on the CPU. From the options on a laptop I'm interested in: Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut on CPU + GPU, and Fujipoly Extreme Thermal Pads on heat sensitive surfaces
This summer I sit in front of a window air conditioner, I have an older Mac, the cool air blows right on my computer. I suddenly noticed that my Mac doesn't even get warm to the touch! At times only slightly warm to the touch. I know they use air conditioners on the really big computers. Maybe you could use it on these new Macs.
What about laptop cooling platforms? Those USB powered stands that contain as many as 6 fans that constantly blow air into the underside of the laptop? Would that make a noticeable difference?
Dave Gerhart the problem is MacBook don't really have any air vents. Those cooling pads work on laptops that have air vents underneath it, but the MacBooks don't. Something that might work Is literally a big metal pad that gets really cold (10c?) so the heat will be transferred from the laptop onto the pad, like a big heatsink
This will do the most, in almost every case. As it's the limiting factor preventing the heatsink being as efficient. Which more airflow helps with, but needs this step to make the biggest difference
Hey Snazzy and everyone willing to do this. While you are in there, you should apply some thermal transfer tape (thick stuff 3mm) to the back side of the heat pipe on the fan side. The idea is to get the heat pipe in contact with the LARGE ALUMINUM BOTTOM plate of the Macbook. Effectively increasing the size of the heatsink. You will have to trim some stickers that Apple installed in order to get the thermal transfer tape to directly contact the aluminum but hey, its added cooling too. Downside? the bottom of your MacBook is going to get hotter faster.... upside? it will take longer to hit thermal throttling.
I never once mentioned I had a 2017 MPB every model is different, as you know...... this means if you are DYI'ing you should know how to measure this. my A1502 needed 3mm and as we know apple can change the design at a moments notice so obviously even if i had a brand new 2018 MPB my advice would be wrong. hence..measure it if you are not sure.
I render a lot of video with Handbrake on my 2017 MacBook Pro 13" with Touch Bar (the $1,799 model), and the CPU stays at 90C (not changing fan speed). CPU freq also stays at 3.50GHz, which is the max turbo boost frequency. All measured using Intel Power Gadget.
There are a few components to speeding up Macs. One plan I discovered that succeeds in merging these is the Achak Speed Plan (check it out on google) definately the no.1 remedy i've heard of.Check out all the interesting information .
Well done Quinn: one smart person showing us how 10$ spent on better thermal paste improves a MacBook Pro. I hope Apple's engineering and supply chain folks are paying attention. Maybe even Tim Cook should be aware of this shortcoming given his background. Keep up the great work Quinn.
My 13" MacBook Pro always seems to be really cool :/ Ive never even once heard the fans spinning, I don't think they've ever moved in fact. Then again I don't really do anything CPU or GPU intensive, but I often have many things going at once. Compared to all other laptops I've owned that get hot enough to cook an egg just browsing... I get that for you 4k video editors this thermal throttling must be a real pain, but for 'normal' everyday use its by far the coolest running laptop I've ever seen
I think it's worth it if you already have your tools, time + patience. I literally bought the same exact model and I'll certainly give it a go. Granted, I'll also upgrade the storage to an mvme so I'll partially have it open already. Thx for the hint?
Personally I have replaced my thermal paste with PROLIMATECH PK1, put a drop of fine machine oil on my fans centre pin and I run 4 different options through SMC Fan control. I've been using Apple laptops since 2007 so definitely know that MacBooks can and do get pretty heated. with these simple 'hacks' I've never had any real issues. Using SMC I have set: 'Default' = 2,000RPM 'Medium' = 3,200 'Higher' = 4,400 & 'Max' = 6,000RPM When working, depending what I will be doing, I will set it accordingly.
My 13" 2019/2017 Macbook Pro used to throttle and fans would kick in when browsing the news online. I went ahead and repasted it. Paste wasn't the worst application I've ever seen but it was a little crusty already. Now the fans rarely come on.
Hey Snazzy! Do you by any chance have a step by step video on how to properly open your 2017 Macbook Pro, clean the fan and reapply new thermal paste? Thanks and more power to you!
Nice vid. I don't think I would do that because my MacBook Pro has hardly any slowdowns or heat issues in all of the tasks I do on a daily basis.(1080p editing, web browsing, etc )
Thanks for your video Snazzy! I have the same problem with my new iMac pro. That is so stupid. My processor just warms up to 95 degrees and the fans wasn't turn faster. But I don't understand why mac fans control won't work on it. The app show for both of my fans a minimum speed of 32 and maximum of 16. And the speed of the fans varies very fast between 236 and 16 000 RPM. Which is not the case since I think I would ear them if they were running at 16k. Let me know if you have an idea and thanks for your help! Happy new year! Pascal
only one thing left to do for the adventurous -- de-lidding your cpu while it's soldered onto the motherboard, adding liquid metal, re-lidding - voila, done, we are cruising at 60C ! DerBauer and Steve, we might need your help lol
My MacBook Pro is a couple years old. I'll be doing this tiny upgrade when I replace the ssd. Do external laptop coolers and cooler stands make a difference? I always found them kinda gimmicky.
I would also see the same test performed on an older mac, where the termal compound might be in a much worse condition, maybe on the 2015 model with i7 (more Watts) it would make bigger difference than 9%, just wondering.
Another good video sir. Considering the age and use my older MacBook Pro gets. This may actually be a worthwhile move. But, of course results will vary. LOL
How about another of Thermal Grizzly's products? Their Conductonaut Liquid Metal paste? it's one of those Gallium based compounds, that supposedly is one of the best types of thermal compound out there
Honestly dude I almost NEVER comment on videos. I stumbled upon this video, and loved it. So I had to let you know.. oh and btw I nothing about computer repair lol. Very informative, easy to follow, use of every-day words, and a cheesy sense of humour but at least its honest 👍 Question: I DJ for fun, and use a 2017 Mac pro. Now thats summer (Super Hot), I spin out doors during the day pretty often. Computer connected to my turn tables/controllers/speakers, etc The thing gets toooo hot it effects my computer and so it effects the sound (add static thru the speakers). Sorry for the sob story ^^ You have any recommendations ? -OZZY
This was one of the first things I did to my 2011 MBP. No difference really or if there was it was negligible. I'm guessing for me its just the cooling couldn;t keep up with the i7 and Radeon GPU. Still, a handy tip to know of though as when I took my MBP apart to change the thermal grease - it was like "dry brick mortar" that had too much sand in the mix - crumbly and falling apart.
Samuel Steffen I actually bought mine used about 2 to 3 months ago. No GPU troubles as of yet. I assume either I've gotten lucky so far or this board has already been refurbished by Apple.
I have a 2009 MacBook (6.1) and it thermal throttles in simple day to day tasks, IE Netflix, UA-cam ETC. When I added adequate cooling I went from Half-Life 2 at 10FPS @102 degrees to 30 FPS at 80 degrees. Why does Apple have to have such terrible cooling in their laptops? Is it really worth it to have a thin laptop?
I think you already proved that putting the Mac in the freezer can easily boost your rendering times... So moving to Antarctica could be a viable alternative?
+Budget-Builds Official I hear the summers are lovely.
Is Quinn Gay or is he just over acting nowadays?
I wonder if frozen ice cream would work decently as a thermal conductor... It would be cool for a little while I'm sure.
creep he's Mormon so take that as you will. My bf was mormon before he had me
getting a better laptop sounds pretty reasonable if you can afford a Macbook xd
Hmmm...this is tempting to try
zollotech *waiting for snazzy to respond to your comment*
+zollotech Give it a shot!
Snazzy Labs yep called it.
Maybe, just maybe Apple will not find out, so the warranty will not be voided.
Honestly, why did apple go cheap on the thermal gel...
I tell no lie. this is the first time I've seen someone say thermal gel lol
Please stop stylzing your bar graphs to the point that they are difficult to understand without pausing the video. Top to bottom, left to right. Don't do this weird folding thing anymore please.
Wes W I didn’t need to pause the video.
Wes W Yes, good data plots should be easy to understand. When you add to much fluff people like myself don't even care to try and understand what's going on
yeah, especially with the colors he used, it's very difficult to visualize
This is the first time I've stylized bar graphs but I won't do it in the future. Cheers.
Thank you!
So I ordered Grizzly Kryonaut (I live in Germany and it is a German product, so it is actually cheaper here) and replaced my thermal paste on my mid-2013 MacbookAir. I also Geek-Benched my Mac before and after, and for good measure, I also used third party software to control the fan speed. First, I tested it with the fan set to auto and the 2nd time with the fan speed set to max. The results were really interesting. Before replacing the thermal paste, I got 2617 (auto fan) and 2963 (max fan). After cleaning out all of the dust in my MacbookAir, including the fan and replacing the dry and cracked thermal paste, my scores improved but changing the fan speed NO LONGER HAD ANY EFFECT, I got 2972 (both with the fan set to auto and to max). I didn't believe that thermal paste would make such a difference, but it did! More interestingly, increasing the fan speed only had an effect on the old, dry OEM thermal paste. A~10% improvement for $7-$8 USD is not bad. Color me amazed. Definitely recommended!
I just replaced the thermal paste of my 2011 maxed out 15 inch macbook pro, its was 8 years or intensive use, 12-14 houres a day running, editing photos and videos, sending emails and running my photography bussiness. My Gpu died in 2014 even after apple fixed it for free, i managed to disable the dedicated gpu so i could use my pc and so i did (only runs with the intel GPU). My computer had sooo much dust, the heatsink was completly full of dust and cotton. One of the fans couldnt even spin ver well. My computer now fells wayyyy faster and much much cooler and quieter. Im going to wait for the new 16 inch macbook pro and im going to sell this trusty machine that has been with me for everything. Btw when rendering i always pushed the fans to the max speed for faster speed and i still do that. I guess i never cleaned it out cuz i need the pc running every time im free and im not working.
@@rodrigo4379 so did u get a new one?
I love that you quote Linus Tech Tips; what I prefer of youtube is the connetion between yotubers, while in television rival channels act like they don't know each other, in youtbe there are no rivals, but friends. Really really like
spend money on a premium product you would think they would use premium thermal paste...
Before I got a gaming PC, I was rocking a MBP 15inch 2015. And it runs HOT! 100 Celsius when playing forza horizon. So what I did is open the macbook pro, use macsfancontrol to set to 6200rpm, and put it in a mini fridge, while have a hdmi cable sticking out of the fridge to connect to the monitor. Then my framerate boost from 45 fps to over 80! And I'm surprised that the MBP still works just fine after 2 years in the fridge.
seriously
Thomas Barton
Sure it would, it's not like there's some random energy law stopping a fridge from cooling things
aidan c. A fridge is really not designed to cool a constant heat load.
Yes, it’ll cool your system, but it won’t be happy doing so.
I'm using a 12 years old fridge, so I won't mind to stress it to get better performance on my Macbook Pro. Plus, we already got a brand new fridge to store food.
Jack Jin I personally use an aluminum pad with 3 fans places directly underneath my ASUS RoG GL502’s intakes.
Combined with a custom fan curve, average temps in Horizon 3 was around 80 degrees, with the GPU being much lower (around 69). Both were maintaining turbo clocks and running at 90+ FPS on near-maxed settings (turned AA down to 2x MSAA and used MFAA instead).
Waiting for apple to take your idea and the inevitable "new MacBook pro 2018! Using a revolutionary engineering process, our product is now 9% cooler and 20% more expensive"
jiv32 stop giving them detailed ideas.
They advertised this thing as having an “Advanced Thermal Architecture” lol
+Chris Cheng They do. Which is just hilarious.
Dissipating a dozen or so watts on this tinee tiny heat synk is very impressive. Certainly they could have done a much better job if it was their goal.
+Snazzy Labs or just very sad, considering people (especially Apple buyers) believe this shit.
That heat pipe couldn't keep a Pentium 1 cool, what a disgrace.
victornpb not really. The fact that it hits those temps with it's processor choice compared to some laptops which are passively cooled (albeit with half the spec CPU thermal wattage). Most oversized heatsinks on desktops are designed for less than 80c at load OC with a chip producing about 10× the thermal waste quieter than a laptop.
I dare anyone to give me an excuse that Apple couldn't have spent an extra 5 cents per computer on better thermal paste. Great video.
Garirry MacBook Pro 13" = consumer laptop.
Garirry
5 cents on a thermalnpaste is probably a crappy thermal paste
Do think of it as 1dollar per computer
Think of it as making more money for apple
That’s what they want
Let’s say thay a MacBook Pro fully loaded cost 2 grand th manufacturing for it cost 1 grand and they sold 1 million of them if they spent that extra the manufacturing of it is going to cost 1001 dollars per computer
If apple did spend it they are going to make ( a number that calculator app says as 1.001e9)
If they didn’t spend it it’s going to be ( a number that apple reads as 1e9)
The shitty fact is, Apple won’t spend a few extra dollars on it. Even though they’re a billion dollar company. That’s how shitty it is. They don’t care about quality. Just quantity
Planned obsolescence. they want you to buy the newer macbooks and not reply on your older system.
Apple stockholders.
Can you do a video running this final cut test using different cooling pads or external fans? I'd be interested to see if something like that could get the machine cool enough to never thermal throttle.
Tell us something what we can do normally without taking my macbook apart.
Apple be like: want to edit 4K videos on that? Go North of the Wall
My 2012 Macbook wasn't even able to edit 1080p video, without seriously overheating....
@@kennikuhlmann-clark9860 I have a 2012 mbp - I still edit on it fine
it gets hot sure, but it works
I sit my entire macbook on a Sonnet pcie thunderbolt chassis, which has a fan cooling it. It makes a massive difference to the performance. When I'm working away I often just grab a kitchen pot and sit the computer on it to help dissipate heat from the chassis.
Be interesting to see an actual comparison of this kind of thing.
Perfect! Where do I send mine for you to give it similar treatment? 👀🌬🌨
This really works! I changed stock thermal paste to Thermal Grizzly around 2 months ago and my Late 2013 15 Inch MBP works fine now. Before that it was always overheating even when watching youtube videos in high res.
You've been making such great content for quite some time now - well done mate!
Quinn you should put this on another level like building your own heatsink for the macbook.
Long Le cost to much to design and create
No space.
I very much like that you not only show the benefits and hazards... but question if the gains are worth the risk. This is clear thinking that seems to be lacking in our typical "gotta make my Mac the best" DIY geeks. You just gained a sub from me.
Good point. I recently found my Macbook Pro (Early 2013) heating up even on normal computing use. It would shutdown automatically after only 1 or 2 sec of UA-cam video. So I cleaned the dust off the fans and around other components (most were on the two fan areas) and reapplied the thermal paste using a good quality product (one I think that has the highest density of highly thermal conductive metal particles, and therefore heat conduction). The results are amazing - I haven't tried 4K or 1080p video editing yet, but I can now watch UA-cam videos for hours.
It's like I now have a new Macbook Pro; or a rejuvenated one at least. I'm one very happy soul. :-)
I found your videos a few days ago looking for MacBook Pro 2017 reviews and man I have to tell you that it's such a pity I haven't discovered your videos earlier. Dynamic, interesting and well explained you've won a new subscriber :) Really good job :D
Grizzly Kryonaut worked well on my MBPr 15" Mid 2015 where the lowest temp was 48C where prior to that it was at 61C. However, it didn't work well with my MBPr 13" Early 2015. What works though was the Arctic MX-4. The lowest temp that the book is getting now is 46C and prior to that, it was at 70C.
And yes, changing the thermal paste on a MBPr 15" is not an easy feat compared to the MBPr 13".
Props on the dis-assembling your mac twice. On another note I suppose I'll have to keep my i7 PC to render stuff. :)
Try the same trick that Dell XPS owners have been employing and add some really high quality thermal pad material all along the heat pipe so that you basically turn the entire bottom of the laptop into an extended heatsink. Apparently it makes worlds of difference for the XPS, so I can only imagine that it would do similarly in your application. Just beware, it will make the bottom a few degrees more toasty, though it will spread the heat out better. So win some, lose some.
I replaced the thermal paste on my late 2013 MBP. I used Gelid Extreme and it helped improve overall CPU performance. I noticed this mostly in Serato DJ Pro software when analysing audio for critical data to aid mixing.
interesante lo que dices pues tengo una mbp 2015 y también uso Serato dj
I just did this on my 2012 15" non-Retina MacBook Pro, two days ago. Removed the stock - and totally dried, for the mention - thermal paste and applied a new one; an ordinary, non-special compound? Yeah, but at least it's brand new. Any difference? For me... none at all.
Now I'm ordering a decent compound like the ones shown on the vid and I'll repeat the process on my machine, see if I get any improvement this time.
UPDATE: I bought an Arctic MX-4 tube and replaced my MacBook Pro's thermal paste once more.
Today (Sep 13th) the weather is hot as hell, here in Brazil (Jundiaí / SP, precisely) - about 32ºC. Rendering a 4K video in Handbrake using SuperHQ 1080p30 preset, my Core i7-3720QM temp peaked at 102,4ºC, stabilizing at 98... 97ºC, fans at 5500 rpm (below its maximum - 6200 rpm) and no Thermal Throttle. In fact,, the MacBook continues to heat up as a burger plate but it was worth the job; happy to know there'll be no performance decrease, at all.
Next time, I'll collect idle temperatures and repeat the rendering test in a much colder day.
Man, love these! Favorite tech reviewer on YT!
I thought you were going to do something externally like a cooling pad of some sort. Been running my MPB on a cooling pad since day one just for preventing long term wear & tear, hopefully it's been giving me faster performance too!
I have tried that on my Asus Q551L a month ago with a Noctua thermal paste. No temperature difference. Turns out Asus already uses a good thermal dissipation solution.
Félix Batista Sorta depends.
Higher end laptops usually have a good thermal paste application and quality out of the factory and gaming laptops usually already have a very beefy cooler such as the RoG laptops and the multi-heat pipe array of some MSI laptops like 7 on the GE63.
Switching back to Windows Laptop next month, but going to keep watching your videos. great stuff
Just in case you're interested - upon watching the video I got an idea about putting a thermal pad on top of the cpu heat pipe so that it contacts the bottom cover and is able to use it as additional heat dissipator.
Also, the radiator on this thing is pathetic. Dells with 15W CPUs have bigger radiators in them.
your graphs gave me a headache, dont use those again pls
those graphs were super awesome
Gotta agree with that. I'm colorblind and the way those graphs were presented was disorienting.
I can't argue with the colour blind comment, but I can say I strongly disagree with OP. I liked the style of these graphs and they were super easy to read and follow.
It's funny how people like you become douchebags on the internet. I'm sure you'd formulate your sentence a lot differently if you had Quinn in front of you.
Bitch that you are.
Noted. Will go for something more simple in the future. Thanks for the feedback.
When Apple decides that acoustics > performance. No laptop should ever thermal throttle under a normal heavy load like video editing, especially a Mac since most Apple users use Macs for creative purposes. I believe Final Cut Pro is the best video editing software for people who need to edit on a laptop due to background rendering. Make the laptop half a cm bigger, put a bigger battery and more thermal cooling into the laptop so performance doesn't suffer. Have the fans spin as low as they can, but when the cpu temperatures are around 70 start increasing the rpm.
D.O.A. I don't get it, pro = professional, so most pro users would be using video editing and photo editing. I can almost guarantee that most pro users would rather have a thicker laptop that will never thermal throttle with a 100% cpu load. With a thicker laptop, more battery, so longer editing times off the charger, lower fan speeds at idle cpu usage, and overall better laptop sacrificing only two minor "drawbacks" being acoustics and size.
i love your non biased videos. you sir have earned a sub 👍
+Kieran Welcome!
Those of you who applied Kryonaut more than a year ago, what are your temps today? I ask because the Kryonaut website says the paste won't quickly dry UNLESS the temps are 80°C and higher. As we MBP users all know, temps reach 99°C quite often and stay that way while video editing, exporting, or even watching 4K videos in Chrome. I wrote Thermal Grizzly an email in late July 2019 and here's what they told me: "if you get high temperatures and maybe also throttling because of these temperatures we would recommend using Kryonaut for better performance. High Temperatures can result in faster deterioration. Thermal Paste will always get a bit hotter after time because it dries out, but it is not like it will wear off in 2 weeks. We would recommend repasting it every 1-2 years to get the best result, but we also have had people who are using the same paste for 5 years with 80+ degrees celsius." In contrast, MX-4 is made to last 8 years. MX-4 beat MX-2, so I am wondering if it wouldn't be better to just use MX-4 instead of Kryonaut. Hmmm...
My Clevo P150 runs a little hot with its 7-3940XM from time to time under extreme CPU load, but do not worry guys the heatsink in my laptop is thicker than the 2016 Macbook Pro, so it cools it REAL nice.
Same my asus g750jw heat sink is pretty thick and so is my gpu heatsink as well, it can pretty much handle games and high temps with efficient cooling.
Good job Snazzy! Kryonaut is the best paste for low wattage CPU's in my testing. IC Diamond follows second.
Liquid metal is great too but most of todays laptops have their fans curve scale with temps ultimately nullifying Liquid Metal. Plus the prep work is more than the average Joe would attempt.
+Bob Of All Trades Very true. Thanks for watching!
You can undervolt your macbook with a program called Volta.
As long as you don't undervolt so much that you system gets unstable, undervolting will make the cpu produce less heat.
I have mine at -90 mV, and it definitely throttles way less, especially with longer usage
snazzy labs: tells us clever techniques for cooling down system
me: just moves to antarctica
I would differ on this not being something one can do, even if this seems trepidatious for most users. From the looks of it, that thermal paste of a 2017 15" MacBook Pro matched the look of my 2010 15" MacBook AFTER I changed the thermal paste on my Mac in 2016. Six years worth of use and the original factory paste looked about the same as yours did in less than a years worth of use. Let that sink in. .
was gonna dislike for "cool dog," but I like your videos too much...
+David F Please forgive me.
Snazzy Labs, 😢 😢 😢 😢 😢
Can you test the touch bar version with two fans? I am curious is it any better than non touch bar version.
Consider liquid nitrogen and snowpants
That's an awesome way to do bar charts. May steal for my work reports. Only improvement would to be to make the bars connect (aka the upper category is left bar and bottom category is the right-most bar).
I always use Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut it's the best paste you can get !
+InsideByte I won't be using it again. Too expensive for such a marginal improvement. MX-2 has my heart.
well it's the macbook's heatsink thermal transfer limit that causes the marginal improvement, the heatsink just can't transfer heat any faster, so the MX-2 makes more sense. A grizzly is much better when used with large tower heatsink or GPU.
The only thing better would be a liquid-metal TIM, but seeing as the chassis is aluminium, it might not be a good idea to use a Gallium based TIM. Not to mention its also extremely conductive, expensive, & difficult to apply. Then top that off with such a pathetic heatsink, its not worth the extra cost or effort...
you'd almost be better off applying some TIM between the heatpipe and baseplate... lol
Reka Primasetyo thermal grizzly is not that much better than artic mx4. i tested both on a hyper 212 evo and a fx8320 @4,6ghz and grizzly is 2 or 3°c better at best. not worth the difference in price
Nah
The two best choices in terms of value and performance are
Noctua nht-1
And
Coolaboratory liquid pro
The liquid pro is the best solution on the market.
It's used for CPU delids and in world record attempts.
But it isn't paste
The nht-1 compound has been determined as the best thermal paste before you get into things like liquid metal.
Awesome work! I love the videos like this. Keep them coming!
That’s interesting… I used Thermal Grizzly’s Liquid Metal thermal paste on my 2008 MacBook and it didn’t really affect the cooling as much as I hoped. It did prevent the ocasional drop in clockspeed down to ~1600 MHz but compared to eight year old thermal paste I really expected a more noticable difference.
I'd put my laptop in a freezer if it boosted export times like that! Sweet video dude.
it does, he did a video on that already.
Mark Linsangan
You u noobs all cry bullshit, need to run a heavy process, use the cloud, why use a ultra thin client for heavy work loads? How can we remove this channel? Sweet? why call it sweet? romance? need a candy boy? sweet is good here?
Told this noob channel in the last Video, but he never get's anything, hard to remove this bullshit, why so many lame video's? read what his community cry's here!
I have some medical icepacks from an old operation on my toe, they work like a charm. I place them under a try so as not to have them touch the computer bottom directly.
I always do this to not just every Mac, but every laptop I get. I use noctua nt-h1 and the difference is noticeable. My current 13" Air hits 93-94C under full load instead of 100 and no longer throttles. I can even play games in windows by using throttlestop and downvolting the CPU and GPU for extra cooling.
Another thing you could try is undervolting the cpu to reduce the heat out put
MrCutlerycrazy its a mac you can’t
TigerTechnology voltage control would be done in the bois not the OS so I wouldn't be so sure
MrCutlerycrazy I couldn't do that on my HP laptop.
It’s simple to do on Windows via Intel XTU.
I don’t know any alternatives for the Mac
D13H4RD2L1V3 That i can do.
Would you consider trying this with liquid metal, for SIENCE?
You'd have to look into what metals your die caps and heatspreader are made from (likely nickel and copper respectively) since gallium doesn't play nice with aluminium, but I'd love to see if it's possible and how large the improvelemts are.
dont do it
I did this to my 2010 Macbook Pro. Fan used to be running 100% most of the time, and it probably was thermal throttling. Now the fan only kicks in when it's doing intensive work.
Re applied on a MacBook air and discovered that apple only put thermal paste on one of the thermal points (there were 2). Same thing on a second MacBook air I did...
Your video edits are cool, nice graphics, etc :) I like the clean look.
+Floris Fiedeldij Dop Thank you!
I'm not sure if you'd be interested in doing this, but there is a method for de-lidding (removing the metal cap above the cpu) and replacing the compound with liquid metal compound). This makes a dramatic difference on overclocking 7700k to 5.1ghz. And lowers temps by 20+C.
It's much more difficult/risky to do, but I'd be very interested to see the results! 😁
Mobile CPUs do not contain "lids". They are un-lidded from the factory
Thanks Snazzy Labs, this was a super useful video. 😀
One best solution I did to my Macbook pro late 2011, I just remove the backlight pad at the back of the keyboard and I got the best ventilation and no overheating ever, just increasing air flow fix the problem. Just make sure you don't spill any liquid on the keyboard that will damage the board beneath the keyboard.
On their margins I wish they would find a better way to mass apply thermal paste. Been a problem since the Power era.
I wish doing the same thing on a 2016/2017 MacBook 15inch model was so easy. On those models you have to take the entire machine apart it seems. Maybe you can do the same test on a 15" model to compare results to the 13" model.
@Quinn
It is still thermalthrottling...Can you please take the Backcover off and check temps again. Or go Hardwcore and drill a bit hole into the backcover and cover it with some sort of grill like a speakermetalmesh.
What if you apply non-conductive thermal paste (or thermal pads) to the top of the heatsink as well and use the bottom of macbook as a large heat spreader? It already gets plenty hot as you said so if that's unavoidable then how about figuring out a way to use it as a large heat spreader?
Thats what I do. But I added copper sheeting to the bottom of the macbook so there was even more area for the heat. -edit- forgot to add, when traveling or at home i use this slim simple "thermal pad" thats basically an aluminum grid, with plenty of holes so the macbook is off the surface and allows more air to flow through, and it has a button to turn on/off a series of fans, large fans with slow rpm can also be used, but they increase air flow. On its own i noticed this helped the macbook with not throttling but along with upgrading a replacement better thermal paste (next time ill add crushed diamond powder) and adding the copper sheeting to the bottom (inside cover) of the macbook body shell, it rarely throttles now :)
@@kuzadupa185 nice! Just watch out for battery temps, seems that's the con of this idea lately
@@djw1091994... i feel pretty foolish realizing i had not thought of this obstacle... i suppose im feeling even more foolish admitting to someone on yt! Haha, but now that youve made me aware of it, im going to revisit the project with the temp. Of the battery in mind. I suppose its been simple blind luck, and completely accidentally, enough air flow preventing the battery from overheating, thats kept the macbook chugging along. Luckily i enjoy these sort of "customize your hardware" style projects!
@@kuzadupa185 Hey I mean props for admitting faults, that's rare quality these days. Macs have tons of ambient temp sensors, you can use utility apps to see the various component temps. I use iSTAT Menus. My M1 Max 16" MBP has a battery temp sensor. In a 75F room the battery is currently at 89F while the CPU is at 128F. The fans are off. Based on the bars next to the sensors, I think the fans will kick on to make sure the battery stays below 100F. Maybe 110F? Not that the battery will cease to stop working at 110F but probably doing permanent damage at that point? According to Apple's website my specific model has a max operating temp of 95F and a storage max temp of 113F. Absolutely no idea what that means, there are many environments above 95F. Like sitting at a coffee shop in front of a window on sunny day, or working outside, or if you live in a dessert climate. I suppose my fans will try to keep it under 95F and in machines with no fans it will throttle? My battery is 90F as I write this with my laptop on my lap and plugged into the wall, the fans are completely off and haven't turned on after 5 hours of work.
@@djw1091994 Ive always felt the quicker I admit to a mistake the sooner I can learn something new. Rather focus on the new knowledge vs on hiding some mistake. Appreciate your comment and the info about iStat. I think storage temp is just like you describe it, when device is off but being stored somewhere like a shelf or backpack. But off. Im more worried about damage to the battery due to extreme temps, in this case, high heat. Nothing worst then trying to improve one part of a devicr only to damage another part! Although now im curious about using some extra heat reflector fabric I have saved over when I recently installed it as insulation in my attic (summer temps used to reach in the attic of above 110, now they float just below 100, and thats with just the reflection of ambient heat), maybe I can insulate/cut off the battery and the heat it makes on its own, away from the heat made by the other portions of the macbook...
Anyway thanks for the info and rare patience & knowledge. Goodluck with your proejcts!
Laser cutting in the bottom shell an air vent for the fan would've been too much? Even test it without the bottom pannel would've been nice just to see if intake fresh air directly helps. Also, for that thing, liquid metal can only save it.
A few months ago, i owned a macBook, and i watched star Wars TFA in FullHD on it. I kept the macBook sitting on my legs. As the movie was done my legs were red and turned back normal 6 days later :P
I couldn't comment below the follow on video. So I am here. In the follow on video Snazzy uses liquid metal instead of thermal paste. You can go beyond liquid metal on the CPU. From the options on a laptop I'm interested in:
Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut on CPU + GPU, and
Fujipoly Extreme Thermal Pads on heat sensitive surfaces
This summer I sit in front of a window air conditioner, I have an older Mac, the cool air blows right on my computer. I suddenly noticed that my Mac doesn't even get warm to the touch! At times only slightly warm to the touch. I know they use air conditioners on the really big computers. Maybe you could use it on these new Macs.
mac users: this cooler physically can't cool my computer
also mac users: surely if I replace the thermal paste my laptop will run cooler
What about laptop cooling platforms? Those USB powered stands that contain as many as 6 fans that constantly blow air into the underside of the laptop? Would that make a noticeable difference?
Dave Gerhart yeah I would have liked to see him do some more testing with different cooling methods. Also what about different workloads, like gaming.
Dave Gerhart the problem is MacBook don't really have any air vents. Those cooling pads work on laptops that have air vents underneath it, but the MacBooks don't. Something that might work Is literally a big metal pad that gets really cold (10c?) so the heat will be transferred from the laptop onto the pad, like a big heatsink
This will do the most, in almost every case. As it's the limiting factor preventing the heatsink being as efficient. Which more airflow helps with, but needs this step to make the biggest difference
To what USB port are you going to connect that on the 2017 MacBook Pro?
Since macbooks are made out of aluminium, the chassis also dissipates heat. A cooling pad will help, but not much
Hey Snazzy and everyone willing to do this.
While you are in there, you should apply some thermal transfer tape (thick stuff 3mm) to the back side of the heat pipe on the fan side. The idea is to get the heat pipe in contact with the LARGE ALUMINUM BOTTOM plate of the Macbook. Effectively increasing the size of the heatsink.
You will have to trim some stickers that Apple installed in order to get the thermal transfer tape to directly contact the aluminum but hey, its added cooling too.
Downside? the bottom of your MacBook is going to get hotter faster.... upside? it will take longer to hit thermal throttling.
I never once mentioned I had a 2017 MPB every model is different, as you know...... this means if you are DYI'ing you should know how to measure this. my A1502 needed 3mm and as we know apple can change the design at a moments notice so obviously even if i had a brand new 2018 MPB my advice would be wrong. hence..measure it if you are not sure.
I render a lot of video with Handbrake on my 2017 MacBook Pro 13" with Touch Bar (the $1,799 model), and the CPU stays at 90C (not changing fan speed). CPU freq also stays at 3.50GHz, which is the max turbo boost frequency. All measured using Intel Power Gadget.
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I love this channel, but what were you thinking with this bar chart? Bending bars in similar colours? Why would you do that? 😨
There are a few components to speeding up Macs. One plan I discovered that succeeds in merging these is the Achak Speed Plan (check it out on google) definately the no.1 remedy i've heard of.Check out all the interesting information .
Thank you for the short video. I just bought a 2018 base macbook pro 15 for XCode development, hopefully I won't this issue.
Quinn, what about undervolting? Surely the combination of new thermal paste and undervolting your cpu would yield some noticeable difference.
Great video! I applied thismethod to myold mbp 2011 and it also made about a 10% difference.
I've never had any problems with the gpu, if a lot of people do have the problem I think it is not a thermal problem.
Well done Quinn: one smart person showing us how 10$ spent on better thermal paste improves a MacBook Pro. I hope Apple's engineering and supply chain folks are paying attention. Maybe even Tim Cook should be aware of this shortcoming given his background. Keep up the great work Quinn.
bro the graphs are awesome
i know some people will even add paste or thermal pads in between the chassis and the heatpipe for slightly better cooling
My 13" MacBook Pro always seems to be really cool :/ Ive never even once heard the fans spinning, I don't think they've ever moved in fact. Then again I don't really do anything CPU or GPU intensive, but I often have many things going at once. Compared to all other laptops I've owned that get hot enough to cook an egg just browsing... I get that for you 4k video editors this thermal throttling must be a real pain, but for 'normal' everyday use its by far the coolest running laptop I've ever seen
I think it's worth it if you already have your tools, time + patience. I literally bought the same exact model and I'll certainly give it a go. Granted, I'll also upgrade the storage to an mvme so I'll partially have it open already. Thx for the hint?
Would you mind trying out a gallium based TIM? Like coollabratory liquid pro. The heatsink and die will not be damaged by the gallium.
Personally I have replaced my thermal paste with PROLIMATECH PK1, put a drop of fine machine oil on my fans centre pin and I run 4 different options through SMC Fan control. I've been using Apple laptops since 2007 so definitely know that MacBooks can and do get pretty heated. with these simple 'hacks' I've never had any real issues.
Using SMC I have set:
'Default' = 2,000RPM
'Medium' = 3,200
'Higher' = 4,400 &
'Max' = 6,000RPM
When working, depending what I will be doing, I will set it accordingly.
My 13" 2019/2017 Macbook Pro used to throttle and fans would kick in when browsing the news online. I went ahead and repasted it. Paste wasn't the worst application I've ever seen but it was a little crusty already. Now the fans rarely come on.
SMC works perfectly for my 2007 iMac,Nice video😀😀😀
“See you later, folks!” Thank you for bringing it back!!
After Apple Silicon transition this video just seems strange
it's gonna feel even stranger once all windows laptops are off of x86 ... which is happening before our eyes
Hey Snazzy! Do you by any chance have a step by step video on how to properly open your 2017 Macbook Pro, clean the fan and reapply new thermal paste?
Thanks and more power to you!
Nice vid. I don't think I would do that because my MacBook Pro has hardly any slowdowns or heat issues in all of the tasks I do on a daily basis.(1080p editing, web browsing, etc )
Thanks for your video Snazzy! I have the same problem with my new iMac pro. That is so stupid.
My processor just warms up to 95 degrees and the fans wasn't turn faster.
But I don't understand why mac fans control won't work on it.
The app show for both of my fans a minimum speed of 32 and maximum of 16.
And the speed of the fans varies very fast between 236 and 16 000 RPM.
Which is not the case since I think I would ear them if they were running at 16k.
Let me know if you have an idea and thanks for your help!
Happy new year!
Pascal
only one thing left to do for the adventurous -- de-lidding your cpu while it's soldered onto the motherboard, adding liquid metal, re-lidding - voila, done, we are cruising at 60C ! DerBauer and Steve, we might need your help lol
My MacBook Pro is a couple years old. I'll be doing this tiny upgrade when I replace the ssd. Do external laptop coolers and cooler stands make a difference? I always found them kinda gimmicky.
Hey Snazzy! could u do a video trying ic graphite thermal pads on a macbook and seeing if it could work as well as the liquid metal?
I would also see the same test performed on an older mac, where the termal compound might be in a much worse condition, maybe on the 2015 model with i7 (more Watts) it would make bigger difference than 9%, just wondering.
Another good video sir. Considering the age and use my older MacBook Pro gets. This may actually be a worthwhile move. But, of course results will vary. LOL
How about another of Thermal Grizzly's products? Their Conductonaut Liquid Metal paste? it's one of those Gallium based compounds, that supposedly is one of the best types of thermal compound out there
Awesome video, thanks a lot for the tests !
Very cool vid Dawg!
Honestly dude I almost NEVER comment on videos. I stumbled upon this video, and loved it. So I had to let you know.. oh and btw I nothing about computer repair lol. Very informative, easy to follow, use of every-day words, and a cheesy sense of humour but at least its honest 👍
Question:
I DJ for fun, and use a 2017 Mac pro.
Now thats summer (Super Hot), I spin out doors during the day pretty often.
Computer connected to my turn tables/controllers/speakers, etc
The thing gets toooo hot it effects my computer and so it effects the sound (add static thru the speakers).
Sorry for the sob story ^^
You have any recommendations ?
-OZZY
I searched up "Macs not hot" this is what came up.
Glad to see you're back!
Also, your graphs look awesome but are kinda confusing
This was one of the first things I did to my 2011 MBP. No difference really or if there was it was negligible.
I'm guessing for me its just the cooling couldn;t keep up with the i7 and Radeon GPU.
Still, a handy tip to know of though as when I took my MBP apart to change the thermal grease - it was like "dry brick mortar" that had too much sand in the mix - crumbly and falling apart.
Samuel Steffen I actually bought mine used about 2 to 3 months ago. No GPU troubles as of yet. I assume either I've gotten lucky so far or this board has already been refurbished by Apple.
i have seen copper shims used/ recommended as a solution to help with the thermal problems was wondering if you could test it.
I have a 2009 MacBook (6.1) and it thermal throttles in simple day to day tasks, IE Netflix, UA-cam ETC. When I added adequate cooling I went from Half-Life 2 at 10FPS @102 degrees to 30 FPS at 80 degrees. Why does Apple have to have such terrible cooling in their laptops? Is it really worth it to have a thin laptop?