Fix Thermal Throttling on Your Mac?!
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2017
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Last week's video addressed thermal throttling that some of Apple's computers suffer from. Inadequate cooling has hampered the performance of MacBook Pro and even iMac. Snazzy Labs' Quinn Nelson takes on the task of cooling down his MacBook Pro to keep the fans quiet, temperatures low, and CPU performance high.
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I think you already proved that putting the Mac in the freezer can easily boost your rendering times... So moving to Antarctica could be a viable alternative?
+Budget-Builds Official I hear the summers are lovely.
Is Quinn Gay or is he just over acting nowadays?
I wonder if frozen ice cream would work decently as a thermal conductor... It would be cool for a little while I'm sure.
creep he's Mormon so take that as you will. My bf was mormon before he had me
getting a better laptop sounds pretty reasonable if you can afford a Macbook xd
Hmmm...this is tempting to try
zollotech *waiting for snazzy to respond to your comment*
+zollotech Give it a shot!
Snazzy Labs yep called it.
Maybe, just maybe Apple will not find out, so the warranty will not be voided.
Honestly, why did apple go cheap on the thermal gel...
I tell no lie. this is the first time I've seen someone say thermal gel lol
I love that you quote Linus Tech Tips; what I prefer of youtube is the connetion between yotubers, while in television rival channels act like they don't know each other, in youtbe there are no rivals, but friends. Really really like
Wow.. that's a lot of work, and like you said, it's not for everybody to strip down their mac. There are a lot of connectors and screws and things can go wrong very easily. I am impressed that you took the time to do all this work and document your results. Thank you !!!
Asim Ali Cheers!
You've been making such great content for quite some time now - well done mate!
Can you do a video running this final cut test using different cooling pads or external fans? I'd be interested to see if something like that could get the machine cool enough to never thermal throttle.
Please stop stylzing your bar graphs to the point that they are difficult to understand without pausing the video. Top to bottom, left to right. Don't do this weird folding thing anymore please.
Wes W I didn’t need to pause the video.
Wes W Yes, good data plots should be easy to understand. When you add to much fluff people like myself don't even care to try and understand what's going on
yeah, especially with the colors he used, it's very difficult to visualize
This is the first time I've stylized bar graphs but I won't do it in the future. Cheers.
Thank you!
I replaced the thermal paste on my late 2013 MBP. I used Gelid Extreme and it helped improve overall CPU performance. I noticed this mostly in Serato DJ Pro software when analysing audio for critical data to aid mixing.
I thought you were going to do something externally like a cooling pad of some sort. Been running my MPB on a cooling pad since day one just for preventing long term wear & tear, hopefully it's been giving me faster performance too!
I found your videos a few days ago looking for MacBook Pro 2017 reviews and man I have to tell you that it's such a pity I haven't discovered your videos earlier. Dynamic, interesting and well explained you've won a new subscriber :) Really good job :D
So I ordered Grizzly Kryonaut (I live in Germany and it is a German product, so it is actually cheaper here) and replaced my thermal paste on my mid-2013 MacbookAir. I also Geek-Benched my Mac before and after, and for good measure, I also used third party software to control the fan speed. First, I tested it with the fan set to auto and the 2nd time with the fan speed set to max. The results were really interesting. Before replacing the thermal paste, I got 2617 (auto fan) and 2963 (max fan). After cleaning out all of the dust in my MacbookAir, including the fan and replacing the dry and cracked thermal paste, my scores improved but changing the fan speed NO LONGER HAD ANY EFFECT, I got 2972 (both with the fan set to auto and to max). I didn't believe that thermal paste would make such a difference, but it did! More interestingly, increasing the fan speed only had an effect on the old, dry OEM thermal paste. A~10% improvement for $7-$8 USD is not bad. Color me amazed. Definitely recommended!
I just replaced the thermal paste of my 2011 maxed out 15 inch macbook pro, its was 8 years or intensive use, 12-14 houres a day running, editing photos and videos, sending emails and running my photography bussiness. My Gpu died in 2014 even after apple fixed it for free, i managed to disable the dedicated gpu so i could use my pc and so i did (only runs with the intel GPU). My computer had sooo much dust, the heatsink was completly full of dust and cotton. One of the fans couldnt even spin ver well. My computer now fells wayyyy faster and much much cooler and quieter. Im going to wait for the new 16 inch macbook pro and im going to sell this trusty machine that has been with me for everything. Btw when rendering i always pushed the fans to the max speed for faster speed and i still do that. I guess i never cleaned it out cuz i need the pc running every time im free and im not working.
@@rodrigo4379 so did u get a new one?
Man, love these! Favorite tech reviewer on YT!
Perfect! Where do I send mine for you to give it similar treatment? 👀🌬🌨
Switching back to Windows Laptop next month, but going to keep watching your videos. great stuff
Awesome work! I love the videos like this. Keep them coming!
This really works! I changed stock thermal paste to Thermal Grizzly around 2 months ago and my Late 2013 15 Inch MBP works fine now. Before that it was always overheating even when watching youtube videos in high res.
I very much like that you not only show the benefits and hazards... but question if the gains are worth the risk. This is clear thinking that seems to be lacking in our typical "gotta make my Mac the best" DIY geeks. You just gained a sub from me.
Hi, thank you for the nice vid. Seen you taking your computer apart for us even with the risk involved is appreciated. But a new question came to mind.
Since the Mac will heat up eventually does installing an i7 CPU will make it faster in rendering then the i5 in long runs or the higher heat from the i7 is worth it?
I sit my entire macbook on a Sonnet pcie thunderbolt chassis, which has a fan cooling it. It makes a massive difference to the performance. When I'm working away I often just grab a kitchen pot and sit the computer on it to help dissipate heat from the chassis.
Be interesting to see an actual comparison of this kind of thing.
bro the graphs are awesome
Tell us something what we can do normally without taking my macbook apart.
Hey Snazzy! Do you by any chance have a step by step video on how to properly open your 2017 Macbook Pro, clean the fan and reapply new thermal paste?
Thanks and more power to you!
Props on the dis-assembling your mac twice. On another note I suppose I'll have to keep my i7 PC to render stuff. :)
SMC works perfectly for my 2007 iMac,Nice video😀😀😀
Good point. I recently found my Macbook Pro (Early 2013) heating up even on normal computing use. It would shutdown automatically after only 1 or 2 sec of UA-cam video. So I cleaned the dust off the fans and around other components (most were on the two fan areas) and reapplied the thermal paste using a good quality product (one I think that has the highest density of highly thermal conductive metal particles, and therefore heat conduction). The results are amazing - I haven't tried 4K or 1080p video editing yet, but I can now watch UA-cam videos for hours.
It's like I now have a new Macbook Pro; or a rejuvenated one at least. I'm one very happy soul. :-)
Thanks Snazzy Labs, this was a super useful video. 😀
Thanks for your video Snazzy! I have the same problem with my new iMac pro. That is so stupid.
My processor just warms up to 95 degrees and the fans wasn't turn faster.
But I don't understand why mac fans control won't work on it.
The app show for both of my fans a minimum speed of 32 and maximum of 16.
And the speed of the fans varies very fast between 236 and 16 000 RPM.
Which is not the case since I think I would ear them if they were running at 16k.
Let me know if you have an idea and thanks for your help!
Happy new year!
Pascal
Always amazing video content! Is this SSD storage of base model MacBook Pro 2017 Upgradable?
Hey Snazzy! could u do a video trying ic graphite thermal pads on a macbook and seeing if it could work as well as the liquid metal?
Good job Snazzy! Kryonaut is the best paste for low wattage CPU's in my testing. IC Diamond follows second.
Liquid metal is great too but most of todays laptops have their fans curve scale with temps ultimately nullifying Liquid Metal. Plus the prep work is more than the average Joe would attempt.
+Bob Of All Trades Very true. Thanks for watching!
Awesome video, thanks a lot for the tests !
Quinn you should put this on another level like building your own heatsink for the macbook.
Long Le cost to much to design and create
No space.
i love your non biased videos. you sir have earned a sub 👍
+Kieran Welcome!
Would you consider trying this with liquid metal, for SIENCE?
You'd have to look into what metals your die caps and heatspreader are made from (likely nickel and copper respectively) since gallium doesn't play nice with aluminium, but I'd love to see if it's possible and how large the improvelemts are.
dont do it
I think it's worth it if you already have your tools, time + patience. I literally bought the same exact model and I'll certainly give it a go. Granted, I'll also upgrade the storage to an mvme so I'll partially have it open already. Thx for the hint?
Thank you for the short video. I just bought a 2018 base macbook pro 15 for XCode development, hopefully I won't this issue.
That's an awesome way to do bar charts. May steal for my work reports. Only improvement would to be to make the bars connect (aka the upper category is left bar and bottom category is the right-most bar).
wow so much effort great video
Thank you sir for your honest opinion.
Hello! thanks for all your videos! I have an Imac late 2013 and for some reason its going to sleep after 10 seconds by itself even though sleep its switched to never in the energy settings. any thoughts ? thanks for everything
Before I got a gaming PC, I was rocking a MBP 15inch 2015. And it runs HOT! 100 Celsius when playing forza horizon. So what I did is open the macbook pro, use macsfancontrol to set to 6200rpm, and put it in a mini fridge, while have a hdmi cable sticking out of the fridge to connect to the monitor. Then my framerate boost from 45 fps to over 80! And I'm surprised that the MBP still works just fine after 2 years in the fridge.
seriously
Thomas Barton
Sure it would, it's not like there's some random energy law stopping a fridge from cooling things
aidan c. A fridge is really not designed to cool a constant heat load.
Yes, it’ll cool your system, but it won’t be happy doing so.
I'm using a 12 years old fridge, so I won't mind to stress it to get better performance on my Macbook Pro. Plus, we already got a brand new fridge to store food.
Jack Jin I personally use an aluminum pad with 3 fans places directly underneath my ASUS RoG GL502’s intakes.
Combined with a custom fan curve, average temps in Horizon 3 was around 80 degrees, with the GPU being much lower (around 69). Both were maintaining turbo clocks and running at 90+ FPS on near-maxed settings (turned AA down to 2x MSAA and used MFAA instead).
Great video! I applied thismethod to myold mbp 2011 and it also made about a 10% difference.
I've never had any problems with the gpu, if a lot of people do have the problem I think it is not a thermal problem.
Would you mind trying out a gallium based TIM? Like coollabratory liquid pro. The heatsink and die will not be damaged by the gallium.
Your video edits are cool, nice graphics, etc :) I like the clean look.
+Floris Fiedeldij Dop Thank you!
spend money on a premium product you would think they would use premium thermal paste...
Re applied on a MacBook air and discovered that apple only put thermal paste on one of the thermal points (there were 2). Same thing on a second MacBook air I did...
They advertised this thing as having an “Advanced Thermal Architecture” lol
+Chris Cheng They do. Which is just hilarious.
Dissipating a dozen or so watts on this tinee tiny heat synk is very impressive. Certainly they could have done a much better job if it was their goal.
+Snazzy Labs or just very sad, considering people (especially Apple buyers) believe this shit.
That heat pipe couldn't keep a Pentium 1 cool, what a disgrace.
victornpb not really. The fact that it hits those temps with it's processor choice compared to some laptops which are passively cooled (albeit with half the spec CPU thermal wattage). Most oversized heatsinks on desktops are designed for less than 80c at load OC with a chip producing about 10× the thermal waste quieter than a laptop.
Waiting for apple to take your idea and the inevitable "new MacBook pro 2018! Using a revolutionary engineering process, our product is now 9% cooler and 20% more expensive"
jiv32 stop giving them detailed ideas.
I just did this on my 2012 15" non-Retina MacBook Pro, two days ago. Removed the stock - and totally dried, for the mention - thermal paste and applied a new one; an ordinary, non-special compound? Yeah, but at least it's brand new. Any difference? For me... none at all.
Now I'm ordering a decent compound like the ones shown on the vid and I'll repeat the process on my machine, see if I get any improvement this time.
UPDATE: I bought an Arctic MX-4 tube and replaced my MacBook Pro's thermal paste once more.
Today (Sep 13th) the weather is hot as hell, here in Brazil (Jundiaí / SP, precisely) - about 32ºC. Rendering a 4K video in Handbrake using SuperHQ 1080p30 preset, my Core i7-3720QM temp peaked at 102,4ºC, stabilizing at 98... 97ºC, fans at 5500 rpm (below its maximum - 6200 rpm) and no Thermal Throttle. In fact,, the MacBook continues to heat up as a burger plate but it was worth the job; happy to know there'll be no performance decrease, at all.
Next time, I'll collect idle temperatures and repeat the rendering test in a much colder day.
Grizzly Kryonaut worked well on my MBPr 15" Mid 2015 where the lowest temp was 48C where prior to that it was at 61C. However, it didn't work well with my MBPr 13" Early 2015. What works though was the Arctic MX-4. The lowest temp that the book is getting now is 46C and prior to that, it was at 70C.
And yes, changing the thermal paste on a MBPr 15" is not an easy feat compared to the MBPr 13".
My MacBook Pro is a couple years old. I'll be doing this tiny upgrade when I replace the ssd. Do external laptop coolers and cooler stands make a difference? I always found them kinda gimmicky.
Hey Snazzy, what if also u remove the paint of the cooler(since that is working as thermal insulator), also a little bit of undervolting and some premium thermal compound (like those that u used or maybe some liquid metal). Can all of that get the macbook to no throttle at all?
Is there a guide for disassembling the MacBook pro-2017 no touch bar?
Nice vid. I don't think I would do that because my MacBook Pro has hardly any slowdowns or heat issues in all of the tasks I do on a daily basis.(1080p editing, web browsing, etc )
Another good video sir. Considering the age and use my older MacBook Pro gets. This may actually be a worthwhile move. But, of course results will vary. LOL
damn rockin' that spectre omega!
Is there another heat pipe that is bairly thicker but still thicker that could be used in that chasy but still fit and if so I'm imagining that the extra copper will increase performance significantly
Do you think the process will be the same for the 2018 MacBooks?
I tried using two heatsinks (tbey had a large flat bottom with wide fins) I salvaged from old desktops as a stand
and the chassis definitely felt cooler (I didn't use thermal paste though)
Could you try a video doing this?
I'd love to get some feedback on what I do. I have thin freezer packs that people freeze and put in coolers, say in between layers of drink cans. I have two of them and when the Macbook Pro 2017 gets hot, I simply set it on top of one of the freezer packs on my desk. Within 5-7 minutes the entire Macbook is cold. I have two of them and I just rotate them. The added bonus is that the freezer pack, even when thawed, continues to conduct heat. By the time I stick this thing back in the freezer, it's HOT. Is there any reason I shouldn't be doing this? I've done it every day for two years now with no issues.
Well done as always!
+Joe Bennett Thanks, Joe!
That’s interesting… I used Thermal Grizzly’s Liquid Metal thermal paste on my 2008 MacBook and it didn’t really affect the cooling as much as I hoped. It did prevent the ocasional drop in clockspeed down to ~1600 MHz but compared to eight year old thermal paste I really expected a more noticable difference.
Is thermal grizzly Kryonaut a good lube?
what are your thoughts on, after applying a quality thermal paste and reassembled your MacBook Pro using a laptop cooling pad??
I'd put my laptop in a freezer if it boosted export times like that! Sweet video dude.
it does, he did a video on that already.
Mark Linsangan
You u noobs all cry bullshit, need to run a heavy process, use the cloud, why use a ultra thin client for heavy work loads? How can we remove this channel? Sweet? why call it sweet? romance? need a candy boy? sweet is good here?
Told this noob channel in the last Video, but he never get's anything, hard to remove this bullshit, why so many lame video's? read what his community cry's here!
I have some medical icepacks from an old operation on my toe, they work like a charm. I place them under a try so as not to have them touch the computer bottom directly.
I have a question why do don't try the conductonaut it is so much more powerful than the cryonaut i use it on My own rigs and laptops and its improves the Cooling a few degrees more than the cryonaut. I know that the application is a little Bit more critical but it could be the best solutions for such an expensive hardware toaster
Wow.... Nice work..! Thank you.
Will liquid metal help much? Or is that just a diminishing return at this point?
Did you spread the thermal paste or just flatten it with the cooler?
i have seen copper shims used/ recommended as a solution to help with the thermal problems was wondering if you could test it.
Nice idea. I love it. I would love to do that with my MacBook Pro 2019. Can I make a video on that
I dare anyone to give me an excuse that Apple couldn't have spent an extra 5 cents per computer on better thermal paste. Great video.
Garirry MacBook Pro 13" = consumer laptop.
Garirry
5 cents on a thermalnpaste is probably a crappy thermal paste
Do think of it as 1dollar per computer
Think of it as making more money for apple
That’s what they want
Let’s say thay a MacBook Pro fully loaded cost 2 grand th manufacturing for it cost 1 grand and they sold 1 million of them if they spent that extra the manufacturing of it is going to cost 1001 dollars per computer
If apple did spend it they are going to make ( a number that calculator app says as 1.001e9)
If they didn’t spend it it’s going to be ( a number that apple reads as 1e9)
The shitty fact is, Apple won’t spend a few extra dollars on it. Even though they’re a billion dollar company. That’s how shitty it is. They don’t care about quality. Just quantity
Planned obsolescence. they want you to buy the newer macbooks and not reply on your older system.
Apple stockholders.
Hi Guyz!
Love your videos. So I've got a mid 2015 MBP and it was working fine for a while until it hasn't. Lately it has been going into a volcano mode with heat and poor performance. I've changed a battery from iFixit and it helped a bit but then it started again. I've change the thermal paste and even bough the thermal pads but without any improvements! Any ideas? I was reading about the issue about 2nd monitor and MPB's going into whatever shit mode they are but even disconnecting the monitor the situation is similar.
Very informative
@Quinn
It is still thermalthrottling...Can you please take the Backcover off and check temps again. Or go Hardwcore and drill a bit hole into the backcover and cover it with some sort of grill like a speakermetalmesh.
what if you just keep the macbook components open and add a desktop cooler. it will lose mobility but im curious how it performs without temperates that get higher than the average oven.
What in your opinion is the best option to cool or at least boost fan speed in an imac? (mid-2011 version) :)
Another great video. Thanks.
Is the smc fan control thing improved with the new thermal paste?
i have the latest 2019 macbook pro 13 inch fully maxed out. I have been using it sence december and during winters, it surprisingly never heated up soooo much as it is now in the summers. suddenly, when i open my mac ( not using any heavu applications) it starts to boot the fans and it heats up like anyyything. i am looking everywhere to find a fix
Glad to see you're back!
Also, your graphs look awesome but are kinda confusing
Thanks Snazzy!
Hey Snazzy, could do a video on cooling your iMac in some way? The thermal throttling may be less but god does it run hot all the time if you do CPU or especially GPU intensive tasks.
How about another of Thermal Grizzly's products? Their Conductonaut Liquid Metal paste? it's one of those Gallium based compounds, that supposedly is one of the best types of thermal compound out there
What clock speeds did this MacBook pro hit using better thermal paste?
Dude, I was waiting for this video thanks, I was craving to know if there's any difference and oh boy, I do 3D animation and god I almost kill my 13'' MacBook Pro Late 2013 when I hit 102 C, I might give this a shot!
What if you apply non-conductive thermal paste (or thermal pads) to the top of the heatsink as well and use the bottom of macbook as a large heat spreader? It already gets plenty hot as you said so if that's unavoidable then how about figuring out a way to use it as a large heat spreader?
Thats what I do. But I added copper sheeting to the bottom of the macbook so there was even more area for the heat. -edit- forgot to add, when traveling or at home i use this slim simple "thermal pad" thats basically an aluminum grid, with plenty of holes so the macbook is off the surface and allows more air to flow through, and it has a button to turn on/off a series of fans, large fans with slow rpm can also be used, but they increase air flow. On its own i noticed this helped the macbook with not throttling but along with upgrading a replacement better thermal paste (next time ill add crushed diamond powder) and adding the copper sheeting to the bottom (inside cover) of the macbook body shell, it rarely throttles now :)
@@kuzadupa185 nice! Just watch out for battery temps, seems that's the con of this idea lately
@@djw1091994... i feel pretty foolish realizing i had not thought of this obstacle... i suppose im feeling even more foolish admitting to someone on yt! Haha, but now that youve made me aware of it, im going to revisit the project with the temp. Of the battery in mind. I suppose its been simple blind luck, and completely accidentally, enough air flow preventing the battery from overheating, thats kept the macbook chugging along. Luckily i enjoy these sort of "customize your hardware" style projects!
@@kuzadupa185 Hey I mean props for admitting faults, that's rare quality these days. Macs have tons of ambient temp sensors, you can use utility apps to see the various component temps. I use iSTAT Menus. My M1 Max 16" MBP has a battery temp sensor. In a 75F room the battery is currently at 89F while the CPU is at 128F. The fans are off. Based on the bars next to the sensors, I think the fans will kick on to make sure the battery stays below 100F. Maybe 110F? Not that the battery will cease to stop working at 110F but probably doing permanent damage at that point? According to Apple's website my specific model has a max operating temp of 95F and a storage max temp of 113F. Absolutely no idea what that means, there are many environments above 95F. Like sitting at a coffee shop in front of a window on sunny day, or working outside, or if you live in a dessert climate. I suppose my fans will try to keep it under 95F and in machines with no fans it will throttle? My battery is 90F as I write this with my laptop on my lap and plugged into the wall, the fans are completely off and haven't turned on after 5 hours of work.
@@djw1091994 Ive always felt the quicker I admit to a mistake the sooner I can learn something new. Rather focus on the new knowledge vs on hiding some mistake. Appreciate your comment and the info about iStat. I think storage temp is just like you describe it, when device is off but being stored somewhere like a shelf or backpack. But off. Im more worried about damage to the battery due to extreme temps, in this case, high heat. Nothing worst then trying to improve one part of a devicr only to damage another part! Although now im curious about using some extra heat reflector fabric I have saved over when I recently installed it as insulation in my attic (summer temps used to reach in the attic of above 110, now they float just below 100, and thats with just the reflection of ambient heat), maybe I can insulate/cut off the battery and the heat it makes on its own, away from the heat made by the other portions of the macbook...
Anyway thanks for the info and rare patience & knowledge. Goodluck with your proejcts!
Laser cutting in the bottom shell an air vent for the fan would've been too much? Even test it without the bottom pannel would've been nice just to see if intake fresh air directly helps. Also, for that thing, liquid metal can only save it.
So there is no after market liquid nitrogen cooling system yet?
Can you make one? Probably some other youtube video you can copy too?
Hi thanks for uploading this useful video. Im a Graphic Designers and Professional Photographer and I recently buy Macbook Pro 2017
- 2,9 GHz Intel Core i7 - 16 GB 2133 MHz LPDDR3 - Radeon Pro 560 4096 MB
Intel HD Graphics 630 1536 MB.
First I want to know why you had to do the thermal paste change so soon?
Im happy with the overall performance in normal activities, but when it comes to use Photoshop or Lightroom. IM really disappointed. Im not sure if its my computer or Adobe CC is causing problems. I have permanent "BRush Lagging" Photoshop, And in lightroom checking through my raw images is not as fast as aI thought, sometimes lagging comes too. I need your advice , im really worried about this. Can you give me any advice?
You think this problems is caused by thermal paste? or this model has something wrong? or I am the few unlucky people who received a damaged new mac.
Thanks for reading me. really appreciate any advice
I had take my laptop was charging and I took it out and switch plugs on entry it sparked,I took it as nothing but now my laptop when it’s charging example
it’s at 55% it jumps to 100% for a minute then drops back to 54%.
Do you know how to fix I was wondering if it’s the macsafe board
Hey
When I watch live stream twitch, my Mac heat throttles and the fan starts becoming very noticeable and gets faster and louder over time. this is only on twitch hd, not on youtube or similar sites. Is this normal?
Could you please explore external cooling for macbooks and could they be of any use. Your videos are very useful to me as I am considering buying a macbook (I'm a developer). Keep it up! PS. WTF are those graphs.
Is it possible to updrade MacBook Pro 2016/17 in the scenario you have upgraded iMac?
I wish doing the same thing on a 2016/2017 MacBook 15inch model was so easy. On those models you have to take the entire machine apart it seems. Maybe you can do the same test on a 15" model to compare results to the 13" model.
excellent vid man! thx!
Apple be like: want to edit 4K videos on that? Go North of the Wall
My 2012 Macbook wasn't even able to edit 1080p video, without seriously overheating....
@@kennikuhlmann-clark9860 I have a 2012 mbp - I still edit on it fine
it gets hot sure, but it works
nice video, I am gonna try with my MacBook Pro 16" i9
Very cool vid Dawg!
i switched to windows..after 9 years as an apple fan girl and being a snazzy fan. Just bought an hp spectre x360. i love it. (but this also has a quite a bit of heat)