Oh my goodness. What a glorious film of this incredible young writer. I could have listened to her for hours. She seems to know more about the human condition at 21 than most people do in their whole lifetime.
I hadn´t heard of Shelagh before but when she started speaking all I could think of was Morrisey and it turns out she indeed had a huge impact on him. A wonderful video and I must explore her work further.
Not my Grandparents' memories of growing up in the slums of Salford, Manchester. When my Grandpa asked my Grandma to marry him in 1900, she replied: 'Only if we emigrate to Canada!', which they did. After settling in Montreal, when World War One broke out in 1914, my Grandpa volunteered to go back and fight for King and country. For his troubles, he was gassed and got shrapnel in his eye. Luckily enough, he was able to wait out the rest of the War in a convalescent hospital in England. He happily returned to Canada afterwards. My Father was born in 1920.
@@gmc9451 Yeah but Salford in particular - there's practically nothing left standing that you can see in the film. Even the street layouts are completely different.
In the opening scene, I love the semi-detached 1930s house with the original steel window - the house was already c.25 years old when this was filmed, but has aged well.
Ah, the woman who graced the cover of The Smiths' compilation album. She seemed like a vibrant spirit with a deeply introspective mind. That being said, the video quality, for something so old, is stunning.
@@newmankidman5763 I also think that people WERE more present and grounded then, because of the aftermath of the war and the real hardships they'd suffered.
These kinds of films are wonderful time capsules of a past age...remarkable in so many ways. For me, the biggest shock is seeing all those children, playing freely in the streets! Fifty years from now, they might play this footage to a generation that have never seen such a sight, let alone be part of such freedom, as was I, growing up in the 70s! As for Shelagh, phew, remarkable girl, so inciteful, beautiful and wise. And A Taste of Honey is a masterpiece.
I remember the class having to read 'A Taste of Honey' in high school, and the "English" teacher never gave any indication of the tone of the piece, so we were reading it without any trace of its use of irony and sarcasm, and I remember thinking, "this is the weirdest play I've ever read". A few years later I saw an adaptation of the play on TV and it suddenly clicked; "oh, that's how it's supposed to sound!"
Her monlogue really resonated with me. Her thoughts and observations are pretty timeless. Also, the camerman did a great job capturing the bleakness of this place. Great shots!
Just seen Royal Exchange, Manchester’s fantastic in the round production of ‘Honey’. Very engaging with the audience. Funny, sad, thought provoking. All you want in a play, and still fresh.
My auntie reckoned she worked with Shelagh at Metropolitan Vickers on Trafford Park. Now my auntie could be a bit of a teller of tall tales at times, so whilst it's possible [my auntie definitely did work at Metropolitan Vickers and so did Shelagh]. Whether they worked together or after Shelagh became famous, my auntie embroidered the details, I don't know. For non Mancunians, toffees equals any sort of sweet, not just toffees.
Reminds me of how wonderfully Victoria Wood used to speak and write about people. Interesting to note that 1960 was when Corrie started, telling the stories of ordinary working class people in the fictional borough of Weathersfield, Manchester!
I think deep down they've always hated the working class, and Britain. At every given opportunity they will promote the third world while knocking Britain. 😳🙄 - The Enemy Within. ❔
Last week I met the cast of A Taste of Honey at the Royal Exchange, Manchester. All lovely people. I watched two performances. Both brilliant.Jill Halfpenny played Helen. Rowan Robinson who played Jo is Salford lass
Frankly, Mr. Shankly, this position I've held It pays my way and it corrodes my soul I want to leave, you will not miss me I want to go down in musical history
edit In 1986, the Smiths' lead singer and lyricist Morrissey said: "I've never made any secret of the fact that at least 50 percent of my reason for writing can be blamed on Shelagh Delaney"
That loaf of bread she was cutting most likely had four ingredients tops. Take a look at the ingredients list on a loaf of bread you buy today and see how many are listed. It's little wonder we have an ongoing health crisis.
Not all of it bad for sure, but I think it is fair to say that the best part of England.. her heart that still bore the scars-of-sacrifice from the so-called 'Great' war, has not so much been lost, but thrown away! Stuffed into a bin without thought nor thanks… like an empty bag of chips! Best wishes good people, from an ex council-house boy from Daventry, currently restoring medieval armour in a French forest. We will again have our day. ⚒️🇬🇧🌞
Sh had such foresight about housing, community, education - opportunity, equality etc . We like to look at the past through rose tinted glasses, but just shows it had its own challenges.
1960: A Taste of SALFORD with SHELAGH DELANEY | Monitor | Inspirational Women | BBC Archive 0805am 5.4.24 theatre workshop? was that harry h corbett's stomping ground? one mattress and a van.... ahahahaha.....
I was born there in 1960 and grew up there and the way she speaks in this footage is EXACTLY how I remember most people there spoke then. Teachers at the school I attended, were very particular about diction. They always said that accent didn't matter as long as your speech wasn't 'lazy' or 'sloppy'. They would pull you up if they didn't hear the Ds and Ts etc at the end of words. . People there must have just become 'lazy' over the years. I think the actors in 'Coronation St' didn't help as most of them early on were from Oldham, not Salford. Then the ridiculous exaggerated 'Manc' nonsense took over, influencing youngsters - by which time all the strict, 'old-fashioned' teachers had passed away!
@@bluesnowbelle7625 Salford was a city before 1974. It was granted city status in 1926. The first thing Salfordians say, is that they are a city separated from Manchester.
@@bluesnowbelle7625 I was born in 1963 in Oldham and I don’t recall diction being taught in my schools. Perhaps it had stopped shortly after you went to school. 1963 was the start of the laissez faire attitude to everything. Accents have changed. If you listen to old footage of people from working class areas of Manchester, they speak with a soft Lancashire accent, none of this, as you say Manc whine.
@@paulwild3676 The diction issue may have been confined to the junior school I went to - as when I went to high school (a girls grammar school which was ruined by the comprehensive takeover), the other girls sometimes asked why my speech was ‘so posh’ 😂. It wasn’t of course: it just wasn’t sloppy! And you’re so right about the culture change a few years later.
@@milquetoasted not uncommon though. Diets were nutritious back then even if the standard of living was lower. Nowadays so many young women are short!!!
Oh my goodness. What a glorious film of this incredible young writer. I could have listened to her for hours. She seems to know more about the human condition at 21 than most people do in their whole lifetime.
What a beautiful lady
Truly gifted, charming, and disarmingly charismatic.
I hadn´t heard of Shelagh before but when she started speaking all I could think of was Morrisey and it turns out she indeed had a huge impact on him. A wonderful video and I must explore her work further.
She was a cover star of a couple of Smiths records. That’s how I first come across her in the 80s.
She went to the same school (Pendleton High School for Girls) as I did, but several years before. We were very proud of her.
Love these little portals into the past.
Wow, what a breath of fresh air this interview. Shelagh's natural intelligence, personality, and modern beauty shine brightly.
Not my Grandparents' memories of growing up in the slums of Salford, Manchester. When my Grandpa asked my Grandma to marry him in 1900, she replied: 'Only if we emigrate to Canada!', which they did. After settling in Montreal, when World War One broke out in 1914, my Grandpa volunteered to go back and fight for King and country. For his troubles, he was gassed and got shrapnel in his eye. Luckily enough, he was able to wait out the rest of the War in a convalescent hospital in England. He happily returned to Canada afterwards. My Father was born in 1920.
What a fascinating piece of film. Especially the camera walking through the market. Wonderful stuff.
Yep - no diversity. 😂😂
Such an awesome step into the past. Salford is so different now!
Where isn't!.
@@gmc9451 Yeah but Salford in particular - there's practically nothing left standing that you can see in the film. Even the street layouts are completely different.
Wow ! Such wisdom and insight . Amazingly calm and non judgmental . Definitely ,food for thought !
Great stuff!
In the opening scene, I love the semi-detached 1930s house with the original steel window - the house was already c.25 years old when this was filmed, but has aged well.
What a beautiful, intellectual, inspirational lady.
Ah, the woman who graced the cover of The Smiths' compilation album. She seemed like a vibrant spirit with a deeply introspective mind. That being said, the video quality, for something so old, is stunning.
...because it was shot on 16mm film. Video was only available in studios, in 1960.
There is something about many films of the past which makes those people feel more real and present with you than films and videos of Today do
@@newmankidman5763Yes that's true. They do seem more alive. It's partly because of the film stock that's used.
@@toomuchinformation, yes, indeed
@@newmankidman5763 I also think that people WERE more present and grounded then, because of the aftermath of the war and the real hardships they'd suffered.
She is amazing!.What insight from such a young person.
Taste of honey was brilliant with a stunning cast.
"It's too late to start again and it's too early to give up" Brilliant insight into middle age from a 21 year old. She was ace.
These kinds of films are wonderful time capsules of a past age...remarkable in so many ways. For me, the biggest shock is seeing all those children, playing freely in the streets!
Fifty years from now, they might play this footage to a generation that have never seen such a sight, let alone be part of such freedom, as was I, growing up in the 70s!
As for Shelagh, phew, remarkable girl, so inciteful, beautiful and wise. And A Taste of Honey is a masterpiece.
My late Dad was from Pendlebury, his home backed onto the market, before my Nana moved the family to Bolton Road. Lovely place and people.
My dad still lives there.
A great interview. Love the play/film.
how stunning is SHELAGH DELANEY
I remember the class having to read 'A Taste of Honey' in high school, and the "English" teacher never gave any indication of the tone of the piece, so we were reading it without any trace of its use of irony and sarcasm, and I remember thinking, "this is the weirdest play I've ever read". A few years later I saw an adaptation of the play on TV and it suddenly clicked; "oh, that's how it's supposed to sound!"
Her monlogue really resonated with me. Her thoughts and observations are pretty timeless. Also, the camerman did a great job capturing the bleakness of this place. Great shots!
This has been on UA-cam for years, a few more minutes longer. But I really like this newly enhanced version. It is so clear. Thank you!
Just seen Royal Exchange, Manchester’s fantastic in the round production of ‘Honey’. Very engaging with the audience. Funny, sad, thought provoking. All you want in a play, and still fresh.
Beautiful critique of post war housing.
I'll send this to morrissey and he will be very happy
No he won't.😂
@@michaeldagger991true. He's probably already seen it a billion times already 😅
I mean...
It's possible(?)
@@michaeldagger991 know him, do you?
he isn’t from Salford
Taste of Honey is superb. The first 'Toll Paid' warning. Take note w women......
My auntie reckoned she worked with Shelagh at Metropolitan Vickers on Trafford Park. Now my auntie could be a bit of a teller of tall tales at times, so whilst it's possible [my auntie definitely did work at Metropolitan Vickers and so did Shelagh]. Whether they worked together or after Shelagh became famous, my auntie embroidered the details, I don't know. For non Mancunians, toffees equals any sort of sweet, not just toffees.
What an interesting lady with a wonderful mind. I could listen to her for hours, and the Black and White images are better than any movie these days
What an amazing footage , I need to look her up.
Had a mature outlook beyond her years.
Genius ❤
I studied a Taste of Honey for my O levels. Great play.
Wonder if morrissey wrote Sheila take a bow after this wonderful girl 😊
without a doubt - morrissey is a big fan of shelagh delaney
Reminds me of how wonderfully Victoria Wood used to speak and write about people. Interesting to note that 1960 was when Corrie started, telling the stories of ordinary working class people in the fictional borough of Weathersfield, Manchester!
Directed by Ken Russell
Community life valued and remembered.
Simply, magnificent.
she's gorgeous
I’d love the BBC to return to observing reality.
I think deep down they've always hated the working class, and Britain.
At every given opportunity they will promote the third world while knocking Britain. 😳🙄
- The Enemy Within. ❔
@@muttley5958
Absolutely.
@@Voyager...2
I'm curious, can you still see my first comment ❔
Because on my phone I can't, but I can see your reply.
I wonder why ❔
* other brands of reality are available
@@muttley5958
I can't see it any more.
She was very tall by those standards. Towering over most of the men.
Last week I met the cast of A Taste of Honey at the Royal Exchange, Manchester. All lovely people. I watched two performances. Both brilliant.Jill Halfpenny played Helen. Rowan Robinson who played Jo is Salford lass
Frankly, Mr. Shankly, this position I've held
It pays my way and it corrodes my soul
I want to leave, you will not miss me
I want to go down in musical history
edit
In 1986, the Smiths' lead singer and lyricist Morrissey said: "I've never made any secret of the fact that at least 50 percent of my reason for writing can be blamed on Shelagh Delaney"
She could talk for hours. And I could listen to her for hours.
“Dirty old Town”
That loaf of bread she was cutting most likely had four ingredients tops. Take a look at the ingredients list on a loaf of bread you buy today and see how many are listed. It's little wonder we have an ongoing health crisis.
Spot on. I no longer eat bread. Hovis - "as good as it's ever been", what a joke. Full of crap, not least poisonous rape seed oil.
That’s why everyone was stuck thin.
Ultra processed rubbish! Started to make my own bread from time to time
Was all of Northern England gray back then? Reminds me of similar scenes in Liverpool.☁☔
Never going to stop the rain by complaining
Chemtrails.
Smog from all the coal fires
She could be the older sister of Morrissey.Similar characteristics.
Sheelagh take a bow.
How good the BBC was in the old days, those clips remind me of inner city Liverpool.
Not all of it bad for sure, but I think it is fair to say that the best part of England.. her heart that still bore the scars-of-sacrifice from the so-called 'Great' war, has not so much been lost, but thrown away! Stuffed into a bin without thought nor thanks… like an empty bag of chips!
Best wishes good people, from an ex council-house boy from Daventry, currently restoring medieval armour in a French forest.
We will again have our day.
⚒️🇬🇧🌞
Sh had such foresight about housing, community, education - opportunity, equality etc . We like to look at the past through rose tinted glasses, but just shows it had its own challenges.
1960: A Taste of SALFORD with SHELAGH DELANEY | Monitor | Inspirational Women | BBC Archive 0805am 5.4.24 theatre workshop? was that harry h corbett's stomping ground? one mattress and a van.... ahahahaha.....
Imagine a time when people would be homesick for England instead of having been raised to hate it
Salford is a city. How different her accent is to the Salford of today.
I was born there in 1960 and grew up there and the way she speaks in this footage is EXACTLY how I remember most people there spoke then. Teachers at the school I attended, were very particular about diction. They always said that accent didn't matter as long as your speech wasn't 'lazy' or 'sloppy'. They would pull you up if they didn't hear the Ds and Ts etc at the end of words. . People there must have just become 'lazy' over the years. I think the actors in 'Coronation St' didn't help as most of them early on were from Oldham, not Salford. Then the ridiculous exaggerated 'Manc' nonsense took over, influencing youngsters - by which time all the strict, 'old-fashioned' teachers had passed away!
Btw, it only became a city in 1974 - fourteen years after this footage was filmed.
@@bluesnowbelle7625 Salford was a city before 1974. It was granted city status in 1926. The first thing Salfordians say, is that they are a city separated from Manchester.
@@bluesnowbelle7625 I was born in 1963 in Oldham and I don’t recall diction being taught in my schools. Perhaps it had stopped shortly after you went to school. 1963 was the start of the laissez faire attitude to everything. Accents have changed. If you listen to old footage of people from working class areas of Manchester, they speak with a soft Lancashire accent, none of this, as you say Manc whine.
@@paulwild3676 The diction issue may have been confined to the junior school I went to - as when I went to high school (a girls grammar school which was ruined by the comprehensive takeover), the other girls sometimes asked why my speech was ‘so posh’ 😂. It wasn’t of course: it just wasn’t sloppy!
And you’re so right about the culture change a few years later.
Today, April 21, 2024, is the very first time I am hearing of her, and she has already been "dead for 13 years
6:06 60s kid invents parkour
Slight Stephen Fry vibes.
Or did it own her?
Did she own a Donkey?
0:28 I mean, even the film is grey! 😅
Oh my goodness!!! The women back then were taller than the men!! They seemed better nourished than their male counterparts?? 🤔
she was 5'11, an outlier
@@milquetoasted not uncommon though. Diets were nutritious back then even if the standard of living was lower. Nowadays so many young women are short!!!
@@iseegoodandbad6758 No, women and men back then were generally shorter. A 5'11" woman would have been rare (even now it is)
And in just a short 2 years, she'd be buying " Love Me Do " and screaming for The Beatles.