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  • The Invention Of The Jet Engine
    In 1929, a twenty-two-year-old maverick named Frank Whittle - a self-taught aeronautical obsessive and risk-takingly brilliant RAF pilot - presented a blueprint for a revolutionary, jet-powered aircraft engine to the Air Ministry. His idea had the potential to change the course of history, but it was summarily rejected.
    Air Commodore Sir Frank Whittle, OM, KBE, CB, FRS, FRAeS (1 June 1907 - 8 August 1996) was an English engineer, inventor and Royal Air Force (RAF) air officer. He is credited with inventing the turbojet engine. A patent was submitted by Maxime Guillaume in 1921 for a similar invention which was technically unfeasible at the time. Whittle's jet engines were developed some years earlier than those of Germany's Hans von Ohain, who designed the first-to-fly (but never operational) turbojet engine.
    Whittle demonstrated an aptitude for engineering and an interest in flying from an early age. At first he was turned down by the RAF but, determined to join the force, he overcame his physical limitations and was accepted and sent to No. 2 School of Technical Training to join No 1 Squadron of Cranwell Aircraft Apprentices. He was taught the theory of aircraft engines and gained practical experience in engineering workshops. His academic and practical abilities as an Aircraft Apprentice earned him a place on the officer training course at Cranwell. He excelled in his studies and became an accomplished pilot. While writing his thesis he formulated the fundamental concepts that led to the creation of the turbojet engine, taking out a patent on his design in 1930. His performance on an officers' engineering course earned him a place on a further course at Peterhouse, Cambridge, where he graduated with a First.
    Without Air Ministry support, he and two retired RAF servicemen formed Power Jets Ltd to build his engine with assistance from the firm of British Thomson-Houston. Despite limited funding, a prototype was created, which first ran in 1937. Official interest was forthcoming following this success, with contracts being placed to develop further engines, but the continuing stress seriously affected Whittle's health, eventually resulting in a nervous breakdown in 1940. In 1944 when Power Jets was nationalized he again suffered a nervous breakdown and resigned from the board in 1946.
    In 1948, Whittle retired from the RAF and received a knighthood. He joined BOAC as a technical advisor before working as an engineering specialist with Shell, followed by a position with Bristol Aero Engines. After emigrating to the U.S. in 1976 he accepted the position of NAVAIR Research Professor at the United States Naval Academy from 1977 to 1979. In August 1996, Whittle died of lung cancer at his home in Columbia, Maryland. In 2002, Whittle was ranked number 42 in the BBC poll of the 100 Greatest Britons.
    Whittle was born in a terraced house in Newcombe Road, Earlsdon, Coventry, England, on 1 June 1907, the eldest son of Moses Whittle and Sara Alice Garlick. When he was nine years old, the family moved to the nearby town of Royal Leamington Spa where his father, a highly inventive practical engineer and mechanic, purchased the Leamington Valve and Piston Ring Company, which comprised a few lathes and other tools and a single-cylinder gas engine, on which Whittle became an expert. Whittle developed a rebellious and adventurous streak, together with an early interest in aviation.
    After two years attending Milverton School, Whittle won a scholarship to a secondary school which in due course became Leamington College for Boys, but when his father's business faltered there was not enough money to keep him there. He quickly developed practical engineering skills while helping in his father's workshop, and being an enthusiastic reader spent much of his spare time in the Leamington reference library, reading about astronomy, engineering, turbines, and the theory of flight. At the age of 15, determined to be a pilot, Whittle applied to join the RAF.
    In January 1923, having passed the RAF entrance examination with a high mark, Whittle reported to RAF Halton as an Aircraft Apprentice. He lasted only two days: just five feet tall and with a small chest measurement, he failed the medical. He then put himself through a vigorous training program and special diet devised by a physical training instructor at Halton to build up his physique, only to fail again six months later, when he was told that he could not be given a second chance, despite having added three inches to his height and chest Undeterred, he applied again under an assumed name and presented himself as a candidate at the No 2 School of Technical Training RAF Cranwell.
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  • @troy45uk
    @troy45uk 5 місяців тому +12

    Some years back I stayed at Brownsover Hall nr Rugby. It’s where Sir Frank did his development work. Some of the rooms have photos of the same room on the wall showing drawings and parts scattered everywhere with Sir Frank working there too

  • @quicksilver2446
    @quicksilver2446 5 місяців тому +13

    What a brilliant mind of a man,... yet the stubborn, stuffy, and small minded British governmental beaurocrats could not visualize the potential greatness of his endeavor. On the contrary, they made it almost impossible for him to succeed, and adding insult to injury, they stole his patent rights and gave his rights to their loyal financial supporters in the aviation industry. BUT his legacy as the first, will not be erased from history.

    • @spannaspinna
      @spannaspinna 4 місяці тому +2

      Should’ve sold it to the soviets or Germany

  • @martinda7446
    @martinda7446 5 місяців тому +8

    Thanks for this, There has been a lot of myth and revision concerning the history and development of the jet engine and reading the comments show it continues.
    As with most things there was existing science and ideas from all corners, BUT the very first proposal of a reaction engine being used as a prime mover for aircraft was made by Whittle. That is an absolute fact. His first patent for that idea was available in the libraries of Berlin before hostilities broke out. Whittle also patented the turbofan and re-heat (after burning) to cover every possible iteration. This was for his supersonic engine. Really, for once, a single mind was responsible for a great invention and I'd go further and suggest Whittle was a genius engineer who managed to solve countless problems in the construction of these engines which remain the state of the art.
    Edit: The fact he managed it all practically in a shed makes it even more impressive.

    • @frankus54
      @frankus54 4 місяці тому +1

      A good point and notable that Von Ohain was also on to the idea as were probably a couple of unnamed others. It is notable that when a USA Colonel went to the UK to see the prototype, the local engineers said the engine was mathematically impossible (or so the story goes).

    • @Pierluigi_Di_Lorenzo
      @Pierluigi_Di_Lorenzo 3 місяці тому +2

      'An absolute fact'? No.The first patent for using a standalone gas turbine to power an aircraft (turbojet) was filed in 1921 by Frenchman Maxime Guillaume.

    • @martinda7446
      @martinda7446 3 місяці тому +1

      Yes, you are 100% correct.. I;d forgotten about him. It was to be fair, the most basic description and drawing. I'd stick with everything I said, except cite Guillaume with the shell of the idea. Whittle with his high altitude efficiency, feasibility studies, all the mathematics and working engine, reheat and turbofan, engineering every concept from first principles in a shed sort of make it an interesting historical note on the Frenchman's part but not really too significant in the end. I wonder if Whittle saw it? He may well have done. But yes you have to give him the credit for sure.@@Pierluigi_Di_Lorenzo

    • @Pierluigi_Di_Lorenzo
      @Pierluigi_Di_Lorenzo 3 місяці тому

      @martinda7446 So you stick with that 'the very first proposal of a reaction engine being used as a prime mover for aircraft was made by Whittle'.

    • @martinda7446
      @martinda7446 3 місяці тому

      Read my reply again? What's your problem? I agreed with you . What do you want? A medal...@@Pierluigi_Di_Lorenzo

  • @simmsamma1348
    @simmsamma1348 4 місяці тому +1

    thank you @Dronescapes i really enjoyed this documentary! rest in peace sir eric winkle brown and sir frank whittle

  • @strayling1
    @strayling1 5 місяців тому +7

    Is that Raymond Baxter narrating? Very appropriate!

    • @bananabrooks3836
      @bananabrooks3836 Місяць тому +1

      Mr. Raymond 'Annunciation' Baxter........Fabulous.

  • @sunroad7228
    @sunroad7228 4 місяці тому +1

    “In any system of energy, Control is what consumes energy the most.
    No energy store holds enough energy to extract an amount of energy equal to the total energy it stores.
    No system of energy can deliver sum useful energy in excess of the total energy put into constructing it.
    This universal truth applies to all systems.
    Energy, like time, flows from past to future” (2017).

  • @Ratkill
    @Ratkill 3 місяці тому +2

    Great video, but the image enhancement/upscale does more harm than good.

  • @billshiff2060
    @billshiff2060 4 місяці тому

    Great man.

  • @Warpig0321
    @Warpig0321 3 місяці тому

    This fine man should definitely be named as the single most significant designer that contributed to the advancement of aviation as we know it today some almost 90 years ago. Perhaps even beyond that depending upon how long the idea of the jet engine was actually simmering in his genius brain housing group! Not only in aviation, but for other industrial applications where this tech is obviously beneficial on other machine. Chuck Yeager here in the States helped advance Mr. Whittle's idea even further in practice whilst being the guinea pig the further brainchild of the engineers lol. Of course, that's my opinion, anyway. Outstanding film!

  • @frankus54
    @frankus54 4 місяці тому +1

    There are big lessons here but unfortunately the people most needing to learn them, probably won't. Especially by those in power. It seems a folly of the human condition.... Get power, leave mind at the door. Stellar individuals like Whittle subject to the whims of much lessor men. Politics and big business certainly isn't a meritocracy.

  • @sundhaug92
    @sundhaug92 5 місяців тому

    1:47 the square windows they were talking about wasn't windows you'd look out of but rather the square cut-outs for the ADF antenna

  • @demonic477
    @demonic477 5 місяців тому +2

    early on in the whole mess with the air ministry the US offered him to back his research and support him in what he would need .but he wanted to stick it out with England I know at the end he was kicking himself for not jumping on the offer because it would have allowed him to build the engines he wanted instead of watching his ideas languish for years

  • @glenpenrose1834
    @glenpenrose1834 5 місяців тому +1

    “Yellow jocks are tough”
    -Hulk Hogan 1987

  • @DavidH-fz8ky
    @DavidH-fz8ky 4 місяці тому +2

    Many thanks @DroneScapes for your replies in the comments section. Your patience is remarkable. Casting pearls before swine, unfortunately.

    • @Dronescapes
      @Dronescapes  4 місяці тому

      I think that Whittle, for example, deserves a lot more attention.
      Most people glorify German engineering, but in this instance it was very much flawed.
      They completely overestimated their abilities, and made many mistakes.
      On the other side of the pond, Whittle, a broken, and ostracized genius, still managed to beat them to the finish line, despite being delayed for years, his work copied by the Germans, no support from the Air Ministry, sombroke that he could not afford the £4 to renew his patent.
      His achievements are just glorious, and he deserves all the attention he can get, so responding to comments is not really an effort, but rather an honor.
      By the way, I am not British, but I love objectivity.
      Soon we will publish Whittle’s never seen before raw interviews, and they are really interesting, on top of being a testament to his humbleness.

    • @DavidH-fz8ky
      @DavidH-fz8ky 4 місяці тому +1

      ​@@Dronescapes Many thanks for your feedback. I too love objectivity. In that respect, the behaviour of The Air Ministry and such like are no better now than they were then, despite the camouflage of altered names.
      I very much look forward to the imminent Whittle interviews, with thanks in advance. Suscribed!

  • @MartinWillett
    @MartinWillett 5 місяців тому +1

    That Eric Chubby Brown doesn't look right without his flying helmet.

  • @dcorbin5779
    @dcorbin5779 5 місяців тому +1

    Seems like they knew it worked early on. And tried what ever they could to keep Whittle off the idea as long as fhey could.

  • @SpartacusErectusJR
    @SpartacusErectusJR 5 місяців тому

    *Turbo compound engine has entered the chat*

  • @joemoore4027
    @joemoore4027 5 місяців тому +4

    The Germans were on the better path with the axial flow design. You can only get so much from a centrifugal flow design.

    • @disphoto
      @disphoto 5 місяців тому +2

      Nope. Whittle knew of axial flow compressors and knew their pros and cons. He knew the current metallurgy was not up to making them then. Thus, the German axial flow designs had only 25 hours of total lifetime (not overall but before being scrapped - see 1:43:56). The German engines were also highly temperamental and would explode if power was increased or decreased too rapidly. Early centrifugal compressor designs lasted decades in the Gloster Meteor. The ME 262 was a short-haul sprinter that had to have its targets go to it (otherwise, the engine would be gone in a few missions). Even the Soviet MIG 15, which first flew in 1947, used Whittle's design (stupidly, Rolls Royce sold them the engines that were then copied by the Soviets and used to shoot down US planes in Korea). Practical axial engines had to wait for the metallurgy to catch up.
      Whittle also invented the high bypass engine (mentioned later in the video), which was later adopted.

    • @Dronescapes
      @Dronescapes  5 місяців тому +5

      And to add to that, the author of a seminal paper on axial compressors in 1926, and the very person that rejected Whittle’s work in 1929 was none other than Mr. Griffith, who was working on axial solutions when Von Ohain was a teenager.
      His rejection was probably dictated by a mix of jealousy, and an obvious conflict of interest, as Whittle’s solution purposely ditched the axial compressor. Whittle was looking for a fast, easy to develop, and reliable interim solution, knowing perfectly well it would have taken decades to develop a proper axial turbojet.
      That is precisely the fatal mistake that the Germans made, as their axial turbojet was so flawed that even after the war nobody made anything out of it, with the Soviets going as far as trashing it in favor of Whittle’s turbojet for their formidable MiG15s.
      A proper axial turbojet finally surfaced in the mid 50s, but it was not a German, or German derived one, and Griffith had been part of that all along.

    • @disphoto
      @disphoto 5 місяців тому +3

      @@Dronescapes I think we are in violent agreement. My point on the MiG15 was that the Soviet's first jet used German engines, but they used a centrifugal Wittle-type engine to produce the MiG15. The UK produced a lot of great technology in the WW2 era but then blew it with how they managed it with politics and class distinction. In addition to the jet engine, they blew a huge lead in other technologies. Rather than building on Bletchley Park's computer work, they broke it up and hid it and the people (like Flowers, not to mention what happened to Turing), where the US went full steam after the war (they got some of this back with ARM). Similar to Whittle's jet engine to GE, they also ended up giving away microwave technology for radar which also led to microwave ovens.

    • @Dronescapes
      @Dronescapes  5 місяців тому +4

      @barracuda7018 I think you are reading an alternate history.
      Whittle was not fired, and the M52 project was cancelled without (to this day) a solid reason (the economic one is the most prominent).
      I don’t know where you are gathering your information, but it is not exactly based on facts.

    • @disphoto
      @disphoto 5 місяців тому +2

      @@barracuda7018 It's rather hard to respond to your condescension. Whitttle designed engines that would work reliably with the components possible in WW2. You seem to miss that the MiG15, built in 1947, went back to a copy of Whittle's design because they couldn't reliably make copies of the German engine. I could be wrong, but I think it was Sabre in 1948 that was the first US jet with an axial compressor. Also, Whittle patented the jet engine bypass in 1936 ("high" is a s relative term, but I should have said the bypass jet to make the nitpicker in you happy).
      Your whole argument about Whittle's post-war developments is erroneous and beside the point.

  • @jimbauer6822
    @jimbauer6822 4 місяці тому +1

    Sick of whittle Germans had them flying long before him

    • @Dronescapes
      @Dronescapes  4 місяці тому +2

      Your statement is extremely limited.
      Germany had operational jet aircraft at the end of 1944, when their war was lost.
      The most notable aircraft, the Me 262, had an exceptional airframe, but the German turbojet was trash, despite 6 years of developmen, and the involvement of BMW, Heinkel, and Junkers.
      The few Me 262 (very few) that took to the air were useless, and perhaps good for a short lived propaganda.
      After the war the Soviets tried to to something with those utterly flawed German engines, but guess what? They trashed them as well and used none other than cloned Whittle turbojets (Rolls Royce Nene) for their feared MiG15.
      The French gave it a go as well, with results that did not make history.
      The Czech Air Force pretended to use them, but eventually switched to the Soviet cloned Whittle urbojet.
      You are also obviously ignoring the fact that Britain delayed R&D on the turbojet for several years because they didn’t consider them strategically vital.mas a matter of fact no Me 262 did cross the channel (they would not make it back).
      The axial turbojet became a viable engine in the mid 50s, but it was not a German one, and do not forget that Britain was working on both axial, and centrifugal engines all along (Metrovick, and of course Whittle).
      Griffith, the man that stopped Whittle for 5 years, and prevented public funding for his project in 1929, was interestingly the author of a seminal paper on axial compressors in 1926, and that is almost a decade before the German Von Ohain started working on his (on top of having full access to Whittle’s work).
      You see, what Whittle understood is that an axial turbojet would have taken forever to be reliable, so he presented an interim solution. The Germans made the fatal mistake that Whittle avoided, and that was part of his genius. The same cannot be said about his German counterpart(s).
      If Griffith supported Whittle in 1929, and if the government funded his even a fraction of the massive amount the Germans spent on those flawed engines, Britain would have had a proper turbojet by 1937/1938.
      Whittle spent a total of £200,000 of today’s money to have a working turbojet (before his German counterpart that had all the money and support he needed). It was private funding as well.
      He achieved success by spending the same money that today would buy you a basic Ferrari!
      Trying to not recognize his absolute genius, and the gross mistakes made by the Germans is simply silly.

  • @sundhaug92
    @sundhaug92 5 місяців тому

    Great documentary, too bad it ignores the work of people like Jens William Ægidius Elling (father of the gas turbine)

    • @Dronescapes
      @Dronescapes  5 місяців тому +1

      Elling’s design was not built, and Whittle ignored his work until much later in life, where after reviewing his work, he acknowledged that he did some interesting work.
      If you need to mention him, then there are really many other that would deserve to be named, possibly going back a couple of millennia (the Greeks).

    • @sundhaug92
      @sundhaug92 5 місяців тому

      @@Dronescapes Elling built a working gas-turbine in 1903 that produced excess power

    • @Dronescapes
      @Dronescapes  5 місяців тому +1

      I was referring to proper turbojets that power aircraft, and those are quite complex compared to a gas turbine.
      By the way, if you reference Wikipedia (which as we all know can be utterly unreliable), then you will also see that is was just a prototype, therefore not produced, unlike Whittle’s turbojet, for example.

  • @joseph-mariopelerin7028
    @joseph-mariopelerin7028 5 місяців тому

    they did that in 1920... and even today its Alien tech...

  • @valentinvetements
    @valentinvetements 4 місяці тому

    But if you build a smaller jet engine and put four turbos in it, it's more efficient and consumes less

  • @patrickporter6536
    @patrickporter6536 5 місяців тому +2

    I think the Germans were running them earlier, perhaps this was the first centrifugal flow turbojet.

    • @Dronescapes
      @Dronescapes  5 місяців тому +3

      Both centrifugal and axial are turbojets.
      As Von Ohain kindly conceded, Whittle was the inventor of the turbojet (April 1937).
      By the way, Britain had been working all along on both solutions, but it would take almost two decades to have a proper axial turbojet that could surpass the centrifugal one.
      Most importantly Whittle made a choice when he presented his projet years before Von Ohain, and he purposely ditched the axial compressor.
      His sole examiner, Mr. Griffith, wrote perhaps the most important paper on axial compressors in 1926, when Von Ohain was a kid.
      Mr. Griffith disgracefully rejected Whittle’s project leading to years, and years of delays.
      Also, the German turbojet was utterly flawed and practically useless.
      The proper axial turbojets, which surfaced in the mid 50s where not German.
      The German turbojets where so bad that the Russians, for the Korean was, fit Whittle’s engines in their formidable MiG15s, after attempting to make use of a few variants of the flawed German engines.
      Materials were only one of the many problems that doomed the German turbojet.

    • @wanderschlosser1857
      @wanderschlosser1857 3 місяці тому +1

      German axial turbojets were not useless. These were the first operational axial compressor jet engines. Flawed? Yes certainly, it was a new technology, so were Whittles radial compressor engines. And no the Soviets didn't dismiss the German engines, it just took its time to develop more reliable and powerful versions with the help of captured German engineers. For example the NK-12 turboprop (most powerful turboprop to date) was developed mainly by captured Jumo engineers. Many other Soviet axial compressor designs go back to German technology. Same applies to French engines. And there was a big impact on American designs out of German technology and research results as well.

  • @pacomb
    @pacomb 5 місяців тому +18

    Well.... It can be discussed who was the father... Hans Von Ohain was the first one to make it work and fly... But be because Wittle was on the winning side of the was, real history was nicely altered...

    • @clapanse
      @clapanse 5 місяців тому +8

      Hans was still a student when Whittle filed his first jet related patent. However, he had better funding, and as a result, both actually had their first running engines at about the same time, and Ohain was slightly earlier in getting one on a working airplane. However, the UK caught up on developing a production jet fighter, so the end result was that the Gloster Meteor and HE-262 came out at very close to the same time.
      The reality is, both invented the engine simultaneously, in parallel.

    • @pacomb
      @pacomb 5 місяців тому +3

      Yes, that should be probably the truth, but Von Ohain has been strangely erased... Who wins the game? The second? No, the first, and Von Ohain made it first.... Sorry for Whittle, but he was not the first one, and that is documented. I am sure he did a great job, possibly better than Von Ohain, but in my world the one that makes it first, is the one that should pass to history and be in the books. But again, Whittle was on the winning side, and history we all know is made by the winning side

    • @Dronescapes
      @Dronescapes  5 місяців тому +17

      Von Ohain not only credited Whittle as the inventor, but also admitted to have had access to his work.
      That should close the argument.
      A SIMPLIFIED CHRONOLOGY OF THE TURBOJET:
      1929
      Britain: Frank Whittle tenders his turbojet proposal to the Air Ministry.
      The Ministry asked Dr Arnold Griffith at the Royal Aircraft Establishment (RAE) to make an assessment.
      Griffith advises his mentors that the proposal has little merit. It is rejected without further research and not placed on the Secret List.
      1930
      Britain: January. Whittle makes a successful application to patent his turbojet. (The Air Ministry are advised of this but again fail to apply secrecy.)
      1931
      Britain: April. The turbojet patent is published and thereafter becomes available to all interested parties from the National Stationary Office.
      Germany: copies of the British turbojet patent are purchased by the German Trade Commission in London and distributed amongst German aeronautical research establishments as well as aero-engine and airframe manufacturers.
      1933
      Sweden: Lysholm’s proposal for a turbojet at the Milo Company (date unconfirmed).
      1935
      Britain: Whittle is encouraged by his friends, Williams and Tinling, to join them in a private venture to develop the jet engine.
      Germany: Dr. Herbert Wagner initiates research at the Junkers Flugzeugwerke (JFA) to assess the gas turbine for shaft or jet power. (Focussing on the use of the axial compressor.)
      At the Aeronautical Research Division (AVA) at Göttingen, Dr. Hans von Ohain conceives a unique form of gas turbine and plans to apply this to aeronautics as a jet engine.
      1936
      Britain: Power Jets Ltd is formed. Turbojet development begins.
      Whittle patents his proposals for turbofan (high-bypass) turbojets and the use of reheat for thrust augmentation.
      Following (and as a result of) the establishment of Power Jets, the RAE is directed to re-activate aeronautical gas turbine research (dropped in 1930) as a means to develop shaft horsepower - focussing on the axial compressor.
      Germany: Secret development of the Wagner turbojet begins at JFA.
      Secret development of the Ohain turbojet begins at Ernst Heinkel AG (HAG).
      1937
      Britain: April. Using diesel oil, the Whittle Unit (WU) is run for the first time at Power Jets.
      Germany: September. Fuelled by Hydrogen, a sheet-metal experimental model of the Ohain unit is run for the first time at HAG.
      Herman Oestrich considering turbojet designs at Siemens (date unconfirmed)
      Russia: Lyul’ka’s proposal for a turbojet (date unconfirmed)
      1938
      Germany: March (unconfirmed). The Ohain engine is first run using liquid fuel.
      Unaware of the jet project at HAG (but probably aware of the JFA project) the Air Ministry (RLM) encourages engine manufacturers to develop the turbojet. (The axial compressor is specified.)
      Bramo, BMW & and (later) Daimler Benz took up turbojet research and development.
      1939
      Britain: June. The Air Ministry finally recognized the potential of the turbojet and began funding the development of Power Jets. The RAE abandons turbo-shaft research in favor of the turbojet.
      Germany: Under Anselm Franz, Junkers Motorenwerke (Jumo) assumes the development of the turbojet in place of JFA. The Wagner team (led by Max Müller) migrated to HAG to continue with their project there.
      August/November. First flight of a jet-powered airplane: The Heinkel He.178, powered by the Ohain unit achieves two six-minute flights - the first in August, the second in November.
      1941
      Britain: May. The Gloster E28/39, powered by the Whittle (W1) engine, begins a series of flight trials - accumulating 25 hours of bench tests followed by 10 hours of in-flight use before a check of the engine was undertaken.
      USA: Nathan Price’s proposal for a turbojet at Lockheed (date unconfirmed).
      Britain / USA: The British agreed to share their turbojet technology with the Americans.
      October. The W1 and design details of the W2 arrive in the USA.
      Germany: HAG abandons further development of the Ohain unit (date unconfirmed)
      1942
      USA: March. GE testing their AI turbojet.
      October. Flight testing of the twin-jet Bell XP-59A begins.
      1943
      Britain & Germany: flight-testing their first jet fighters (Gloster Meteor & Messerschmitt 262)
      Japan: turbojet proposal by Tanegashima and Nagano (date unconfirmed)
      1944
      Britain: January. Power Jets nationalised. Subsequent Government withdrawal of all support for Whittle’s axial front-fan development (LR1) and his centrifugal W2/700 engine with aft-fan and reheat.
      July. The Meteor jet fighter becomes operational. (Deployed against the V1 pulsejet-powered flying bomb.)
      Germany: October. The Me.262 became operational against Allied bomber forces.
      1944/45
      Britain / USA: Rolls-Royce shares further turbojet technology with the USA. (Both countries developing centrifugal and axial turbojets.)
      1945
      Europe / USSR / USA: appropriation of German turbojet technology following the end of the war in Europe. No significant advantages were discovered over existing British and American technology in this field. However, the French elected to adopt the BMW turbojet for further development and as a foundation for their aero-gas turbine industry. The USSR initially adopted the Jumo 004 for further development.
      1947
      Britain / USSR: Rolls-Royce sold their most advanced operational turbojets to the USSR. The technology migrates in turn to Eastern Europe and China. the Nene/Rolls Royce/Whittle-derived centrifugal turbojet engine powers the MiG 15 after the Soviets discarded the over-engineered, unreliable, and short-lived German engines. The MiG 15 proved to be a formidable opponent during the Korean War.

    • @joemoore4027
      @joemoore4027 5 місяців тому +1

      Thank you. History is based on the winning side.

    • @Dronescapes
      @Dronescapes  5 місяців тому +13

      @joemoore4027 no, but there is always an ignorant side attempting to change it, especially these days.
      Read Heinkel’s diaries, and you will have a piece of real history. You can also read Von Ohain’s book, or listen to him admit that Whittle was not only the inventor, but he also had access to his work!

  • @rambultruesdell3412
    @rambultruesdell3412 5 місяців тому +3

    😮 from absolutely broken 1923 Weimar Republic to 1938 Nazi Germany ready to settle a score... 15 years 😐

    • @eastockerable
      @eastockerable 5 місяців тому

      Sour grapes, much. But for Hitler being insane, you would be speaking German........

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      @feetballoo 5 місяців тому

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  • @davidmarkwort9711
    @davidmarkwort9711 5 місяців тому +3

    Not one word lost about the German scientists and engineers, just scraping the Ohain surface, this was more about Whittle, all too onesided.

    • @Dronescapes
      @Dronescapes  5 місяців тому +4

      Well, it is about the invention of the turbojet, which was Whittle’s.
      As we all know Von Ohain had not only full access to Whittle’s work, which was not secreted by the British government, and therefore distributed in German Universities, but he probably also had access to Griffith’s seminal paper on axial compressors, penned in 1926, when Von Ohain was a teenager.
      Griffith, may I remind you, was also the sole judge of Whittle’s proposal in 1929, which also ditched the axial compressor cause it would have taken too long to develop into a proper turbojet (precisely the mistake that the Germans did, and of course that includes Von Ohain).
      Griffith’s biased and senseless decision, set back Whittle’s work by years, coupled with a complete lack of government support, and funding up until his success in April 1937, achieved with a fraction of the funding, and support that Von Ohain benefited from.
      Heinkel not only bankrolled him, but he was also a manufacturer, so he had the ideal environment.
      It is staggering to think that Whittle achieved what he did by spending a mere £200,000 in today’s money, the price of a low level supercar of today.
      Add to that another couple of details:
      That German engine was unreliable, over engineered, and short lived.
      By the time it entered service, 6 long years after Von Ohain’s first short test flight, it was still tragically flawed, despite a massive investment of time and money, and 3 German companies working on it (Heinkel, BMW, and Junkers).
      Those engines were so bad that despite the Soviets trying to make use of them after the war, they discarded them for good, and opted to use Whittle/RR Nene engines for their MiG15s, which as you know, were formidable adversaries in the Korean War.
      Of course, as Whittle knew, eventually the axial turbojet would take over, but he had, in 1929, and several years before Von Ohain, the perfect plan for a transitional turbojet, which also happened to be the first.
      Last but not least, it is also worth noting that in a desperate attempt, Von Ohain and Heinkel tried to copy Whittle’s solution altogether, logically realizing that their creation was useless at the time.
      That attempt also went nowhere.
      If Whittle had a fraction of Von Ohain’s support, Britain would have had a proper turbojet around 1934, and most certainly a jet aircraft by the beginning of the war, not a barely working one by the very end of 1944.
      Despite the Me 262 being an exceptional airframe, the few that flew were only good for a desperate propaganda.
      After the war nobody really cared about those German engines. The Czech Air Force gave it a go, but eventually used Whittle’s Soviet cloned engines, and the French gave it a go with a bunch of German engineers, but we also know how that went (realistically nowhere).
      Taking everything into consideration, Whittle was a titan compared to Von Ohain.
      He achieved the first flight with a patron that built aircraft and funneled as much money as needed, but his creation was subsequently a useless debacle.
      Britain had been working all along on both axial, and centrifugal turbojets,many both turned out to be properly working engines, and that despite the British government ordering a halt on R&D in the 30s.
      Perhaps Von Ohain’s first flight, and the existence of the barely operational Me 262 overstated their achievement.

    • @davidmarkwort9711
      @davidmarkwort9711 5 місяців тому

      @@Dronescapes No mention of the BMW motor, you just didn’t go into depth, and Whittle did not invent it, it was an Italian who first came up with the idea. You just have a bias, typical Brit

    • @Dronescapes
      @Dronescapes  5 місяців тому +3

      I am not British, and I am not sure what you are referring to when mentioning Italians.
      If you refer to Caproni, then you might need to update your facts.
      The inventor of the turbojet was, and still is Sir Frank Whittle.
      Perhaps you are unaware that Von Ohain, in his own book, credited Whittle as the inventor.
      To help you have a proper basic guideline, I am sharing a basic timeline for beginners with you.
      It can help you greatly to have a more exact knowledge about the invention of the turbojet…
      A SIMPLIFIED CHRONOLOGY OF THE TURBOJET:
      1929
      Britain: Frank Whittle tenders his turbojet proposal to the Air Ministry.
      The Ministry asked Dr Arnold Griffith at the Royal Aircraft Establishment (RAE) to make an assessment.
      Griffith advises his mentors that the proposal has little merit. It is rejected without further research and not placed on the Secret List.
      1930
      Britain: January. Whittle makes a successful application to patent his turbojet. (The Air Ministry are advised of this but again fail to apply secrecy.)
      1931
      Britain: April. The turbojet patent is published and thereafter becomes available to all interested parties from the National Stationary Office.
      Germany: copies of the British turbojet patent are purchased by the German Trade Commission in London and distributed amongst German aeronautical research establishments as well as aero-engine and airframe manufacturers.
      1933
      Sweden: Lysholm’s proposal for a turbojet at the Milo Company (date unconfirmed).
      1935
      Britain: Whittle is encouraged by his friends, Williams and Tinling, to join them in a private venture to develop the jet engine.
      Germany: Dr. Herbert Wagner initiates research at the Junkers Flugzeugwerke (JFA) to assess the gas turbine for shaft or jet power. (Focussing on the use of the axial compressor.)
      At the Aeronautical Research Division (AVA) at Göttingen, Dr. Hans von Ohain conceives a unique form of gas turbine and plans to apply this to aeronautics as a jet engine.
      1936
      Britain: Power Jets Ltd is formed. Turbojet development begins.
      Whittle patents his proposals for turbofan (high-bypass) turbojets and the use of reheat for thrust augmentation.
      Following (and as a result of) the establishment of Power Jets, the RAE is directed to re-activate aeronautical gas turbine research (dropped in 1930) as a means to develop shaft horsepower - focussing on the axial compressor.
      Germany: Secret development of the Wagner turbojet begins at JFA.
      Secret development of the Ohain turbojet begins at Ernst Heinkel AG (HAG).
      1937
      Britain: April. Using diesel oil, the Whittle Unit (WU) is run for the first time at Power Jets.
      Germany: September. Fuelled by Hydrogen, a sheet-metal experimental model of the Ohain unit is run for the first time at HAG.
      Herman Oestrich considering turbojet designs at Siemens (date unconfirmed)
      Russia: Lyul’ka’s proposal for a turbojet (date unconfirmed)
      1938
      Germany: March (unconfirmed). The Ohain engine is first run using liquid fuel.
      Unaware of the jet project at HAG (but probably aware of the JFA project) the Air Ministry (RLM) encourages engine manufacturers to develop the turbojet. (The axial compressor is specified.)
      Bramo, BMW & and (later) Daimler Benz took up turbojet research and development.
      1939
      Britain: June. The Air Ministry finally recognized the potential of the turbojet and began funding the development of Power Jets. The RAE abandons turbo-shaft research in favor of the turbojet.
      Germany: Under Anselm Franz, Junkers Motorenwerke (Jumo) assumes the development of the turbojet in place of JFA. The Wagner team (led by Max Müller) migrated to HAG to continue with their project there.
      August/November. First flight of a jet-powered airplane: The Heinkel He.178, powered by the Ohain unit achieves two six-minute flights - the first in August, the second in November.
      1941
      Britain: May. The Gloster E28/39, powered by the Whittle (W1) engine, begins a series of flight trials - accumulating 25 hours of bench tests followed by 10 hours of in-flight use before a check of the engine was undertaken.
      USA: Nathan Price’s proposal for a turbojet at Lockheed (date unconfirmed).
      Britain / USA: The British agreed to share their turbojet technology with the Americans.
      October. The W1 and design details of the W2 arrive in the USA.
      Germany: HAG abandons further development of the Ohain unit (date unconfirmed)
      1942
      USA: March. GE testing their AI turbojet.
      October. Flight testing of the twin-jet Bell XP-59A begins.
      1943
      Britain & Germany: flight-testing their first jet fighters (Gloster Meteor & Messerschmitt 262)
      Japan: turbojet proposal by Tanegashima and Nagano (date unconfirmed)
      1944
      Britain: January. Power Jets nationalised. Subsequent Government withdrawal of all support for Whittle’s axial front-fan development (LR1) and his centrifugal W2/700 engine with aft-fan and reheat.
      July. The Meteor jet fighter becomes operational. (Deployed against the V1 pulsejet-powered flying bomb.)
      Germany: October. The Me.262 became operational against Allied bomber forces.
      1944/45
      Britain / USA: Rolls-Royce shares further turbojet technology with the USA. (Both countries developing centrifugal and axial turbojets.)
      1945
      Europe / USSR / USA: appropriation of German turbojet technology following the end of the war in Europe. No significant advantages were discovered over existing British and American technology in this field. However, the French elected to adopt the BMW turbojet for further development and as a foundation for their aero-gas turbine industry. The USSR initially adopted the Jumo 004 for further development.
      1947
      Britain / USSR: Rolls-Royce sold their most advanced operational turbojets to the USSR. The technology migrates in turn to Eastern Europe and China. the Nene/Rolls Royce/Whittle-derived centrifugal turbojet engine powers the MiG 15 after the Soviets discarded the over-engineered, unreliable, and short-lived German engines. The MiG 15 proved to be a formidable opponent during the Korean War.

    • @davidmarkwort9711
      @davidmarkwort9711 5 місяців тому

      @@Dronescapes British shared Whittle's technology with the U.S., allowing General Electric (GE) to build jet engines for America's first jet fighter, the Bell XP-59. The British continued to develop new jet engines from Whittle's designs, with Rolls-Royce initiating work on the Nene engine during 1944. The company sold Nenes to the Soviets-a Soviet version of the engine, in fact, powered the MiG-15 jet fighter that later fought U.S. fighters and bombers during the Korean War.
      The 1945 surrender of Germany revealed substantial wartime discoveries and inventions. General Electric and Pratt & Whitney, another American engine-builder, added German lessons to those of Whittle and other British designers. Early jet engines, such as those of the Me 262, gulped fuel rapidly. Thus, an initial challenge was posed: to build an engine that could provide high thrust with less fuel consumption.

    • @Dronescapes
      @Dronescapes  5 місяців тому +3

      @@davidmarkwort9711 I am fully aware of the story, including the famous Hush Hush boys at G.E.
      We have the G.E. Doc on the Channel celebrating Whittle as well.
      Metrovick, or Griffith are also vital to the story, and also many other players.

  • @battshytkrazy156
    @battshytkrazy156 5 місяців тому

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  • @mikemurphy8714
    @mikemurphy8714 4 місяці тому

    Wtf is up with this video quality? Picasso vision?