Why Badab War will Always be peak Warhammer
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- In Warhammer, no good deed goes unpunished...Join us as we take a look at why The Badab War will always be the epitome of Warhammer fiction.
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The Imperium in a nutshell. "We'll neglect you until you try and not pay us our extortion money. Then we'll have to make an example of you."
Yep 😔 - Cal
Huron: "i don't care who the imperium says. i'm not paying my taxes"
The meme, the myth, the legend, a lot more than that I think but yes good meme- Cal
@@WhatareyouPaintingnow it may be simplified, but you can't really call it innacurrate.
Badab War is always great. Got some solid gym sessions in while listening to Arch's massive series on it. You've got heroes (few), villains (most people), space marines of chapters thst people like at each other's throats, orks, the Unhallowed Heart...
The Carcharadons broke a planet.
The Ad Mech threw part of a star.
The Minotaurs wrecked everyone they met.
The Inquisition did insane treachery.
The High Lords of Terra were their standard corrupt selves.
And Huron went on a Darth Vader arc without the final redemption.
Something for everyone.
You're gym session must be brutal with how long he takes to get to the point, but no matter what people say you have to give him credit for commissioning his own art. He is very thorough - Cal
The Imperium is awful to live in, but it’s also humanity’s best chance for survival in the grim darkness of the 41st millennium
This is going to be a hot take, but the Badab war is what the Horus heresy should have been in terms of narrative & character development.
I don't think a hot take at all, I totally agree, that was one of the parts of this we had to scrap we talked so much about this - Cal
More like a bad take
Huron did nothing wrong. He repeatedly called for help, not just from the wider Imperium, but nearby chapters; only to be told NO at every turn. It's no wonder he stopped paying his tithe and stopped submitting his geneseed for purity checks, then finally out of desperation than anything else, turned to piracy and becoming renegades (although becoming a full on Chaos chapter, was a dumb decision on GDubbs part and should be disregarded!).
Edited.
Well he did quite a few things wrong towards the end but yeah I think you're not wrong in the way you characterize it - Cal
Very interesting, absolutely unclear :D Dunno nothing about this piece of lore, so yeah. Some preamble would be lovely. Went to see if there are any books on Badab war and apparently you can read about it in Imperial Armour volumes 9 and 10. And its like 2.5k us dorra on amazon. yeah, no. I guess I'll look for some lore vids instead :D
Its essentially Hurob Blackheart's origin story
Laying in bed, can't sleep.
This solid content comes in at such a perfect time right now.
Glad we helped - Cal
Such a great narrative point in old hammer now it's just barely a thing.
I think they need to have a format by which they can tell stories like this again but it seems campaign books haven't really done it - Cal
@@WhatareyouPaintingnow I think there is a poor attempt by GW to write now a days. The narrative doesn't sell but every edition change or so. 40k could have done so much if they focused on one narrative point like P? Nexus, or the Crusading, the Nids, or something.
At least they're keeping up the Emperor's way of ruling alive: "Ignore it until something happens!"
Out of all the chapters from the Badab War I still think the Executioners are
My favorite.
This part of the lore will always be top tier and number 1 for me. It’s absolutely amazing and gut wrenching. I hope one day they will do a novel book series on it.
I just tuned in and am excited because lamenters will be mentioned. I hope... and it took 72 seconds to mention them. Yes, I like it.
I absolutely love the Sisyphus Mugged analogy for how Wardens were treated. It was so funny, sad and frustrating that one just can't not mention how great it was.
Technicality: it is not a matter of being an antithesis of Heroes Journey, but one the main actual ways it manifests. Huron was forced out of his "home" by the charge of guarding Maeltrom sector, he is plunged into the otherworld of fending off pirates understaffed and imperial bureoaucracy which transforms him, ultimately he returns to his home armed with that new him to bring the change to "home". Which he did, just not in a positive way. Fall is one of the character arcs after all. An example from fiction like that would be Vader from Star Wars. Or, to fit more with how Huron is seen here, Walter White from Breaking Bad. The Monomyth is intentionally designed as a term to be broad enough that it can contain pretty much every story.
Ultimately the point is excellently made and builds on your previous works. There is a sense of utter helplessness in the story, that the story perfectly exemplifies the Grimness and darkness of the setting. Well done!
Yeah the Sisyphus being mugged thing was one we had to include we talked ALOT I mean a stupid amount about this but trying to fit all of our thoughts into a tight little package was very very hard - Cal
Somehow after being in this hobby for over a year this is the first time I've heard anything about Badab beyond the name. But if this is where the lore for the Lamentors comes from i guess I'll have to check it out. Thanks for the discussion!
Imperial Armor books 9&10 are where most of the lore of the Lamenters are, outside of short stories such as tears of Raphalea and Fall of Malvolion.
Yeah @ErmEnclavehere is correct Imperial Armour 9 and 10 is where they come from and there are a lot of lore videos on the internet which cover it which vary from long and draggy to short and incomplete - Cal
@@ErmEnclavehereas a creek crawler reading that last part gives me Malevelon creek ptsd
1:44 40k and how the Administratum is depicted as incompetent bureaucrats (along with how the military leaders in John Steakleys Armor also are incompetent) have helped me cope with working in retail and the annoyed “I expect fuckery and corruption” means I’m never surprised.
I know I’m alone and have nobody else, I do what I can for 10 hours, try to do the right and best thing, and go home.
Damn man that dark, 40k helped me deal with the reality of retail and other dark stories - Cal
Hail Huron! Badab will rise again!
The Badab War will always be peak Warhammer because the Star Phantoms are in it 😜💀⌛💀
Star who? Oh right another space marine chapter there were so few of them in the story 😂😛 but yeah the were probably the best of the new people called (best morally) which is like not a high bar to cross - Cal
@@WhatareyouPaintingnow I don't know, but it's a testament to the acumen of Inquisitor Frain... Ask a bunch of death-worshipping Space Marines to break a deadlock and they do by sacrificing two companies-worth of battle-brothers then go on to almost kill the chief instigator! - job done! 💀⌛💀
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Ha ha thanks - Cal
For those we cherish, we die in glory...
I am not crying your crying 🥲 - Cal
Awesome video!
Glad you enjoyed it. Hopefully we will be making more stuff to your liking - Cal
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Ha ha ha Badab War baby shark - Cal
What books are based on the babab war ? Anyone know , I don’t hear him mention it .?
Imperial armour volume 9
Its old "Imperial Armor" issues and its divided into parts volume 9 and 10 specifically. You can find a PDF of the different parts online. Its pretty cools stuff but as for books, none exist.
Books are mere Supplements to the codices and rulebooks, were it's mentioned a lot
It's mentioned in the Index Astartes series that ran in White Dwarf for about two years(?, if memory serves), then is elaborated a little bit more on 2nd Ed. Ultramarines Codex and Codex Chaos, then finally I think FW pick up it and knock it out the park, so to speak.
I'm sure If I have anything wrong, I'm sure I'll be corrected in the comments.
It was in the original Rogue Trader and mentioned through out but it didn't get truly fully fleshed out until Imperial Armour 9 and 10 as well as some side stories. It is talked about a lot in lore videos which range from extremely draggy - Cal
Love you work guys, but i think this kind of specific video needs some introduction to the lore youre talking about.
Well we came into not talking about the backstory because we knew if we did, that would be a video in of itself, so we are putting up a poll very soon where one of the options will be doing a Badab War primer - Cal
Thank you!
Glad you enjoyed - Cal
As an American, I don't like the Badab War because I view it as a thinly veiled analogy for the Revolutionary War where the British win. I do think it would've made for a more realistic feeling setting for 40k, however.
Thats because Americans are crazy self centred. There have been quite some civil wars this could be inspired by.
I have avoided commenting on this one because we avoid politics. So, that may be an American thing because it was similar to a multitude of other conflicts. So, it didn't seem like the American Civil war and unfortunately we can't really talk about them without seeming political - Cal
@@WhatareyouPaintingnow I think we may have had a misunderstanding.
The American Revolutionary War occurred when the American colonies declared independence from the British Empire with the "Declaration of Independence" on July 4,1776 over taxes (amongst other things). We Americans will celebrate that on Thursday.
Similarly, Huron declared independence from the Imperium of Man with the "Articles of Just Seccession" over taxes (among other things).
The American Civil War was something completely different.