That sir is an absolutely beautiful rifle. I love the 45/70 and have a Marlin 1895 Guide gun that shoots the 325gr. Jacketed hollow point Federal rounds with amazing accuracy (using a "Skinner" peep sight). Someday, I would love to have a rifle like that. Update..... Just picked up a Winchester 1885 Hi Wall and it is awesome!
I'm getting one in the .45LC caliber. This caliber is much more universal for me. I also reload it using many different recipes. Imagine a 300 grain bullet coming out of this rifle... just awesome. Excellent video... thank you.
That was as tight a group an iron sighted lifle could deliver. I wondered, however, if the rifle forestock was resting on the cushion, instead of the barrel, whether the group would have shrunk a bit.
Bought a High Wall Winchester today, .22 WCF made in 1887, quite a rifle. The bore is bright, when I can source some .22 WCF ammo I'll give it a go. It is good to have one of Browning's first designs.
@@davidgardner863 .22 Hornet cases are virtually the same as .22WCF, the bullets are smaller at .223 vs. the .228 of .22WCF. I fire form the .22 Hornet in the rifle and use an antique Winchester hand loader press to load .228 bullets with BP, that works. Buffalo Arms is a good source of obsolete ammo, I got 20 rounds of 50-140 ammo from them for a Pedersoli Rolling Block rifle I bought locally. I found 50-90 dies on eBay for reloading them, the dies won't full length resize but do the job.
Pedersoli, Well done.. I have had a couple of Hi Walls, J Stevens etc. Love the fit and finish on my Pedersoli 45-70. Although I have to admit I took the stocks off and refinished them with linseed oil for a natural rubbed oil look. The rifle now looks like it should, a every day shooter from 1885....
Can you explain to us Sir, why the first shot always goes high? I have been monitoring this closely for a number of years. I always fire one fouling shot at the beginning of every shooting session. I tape this hole before proceeding. I want to know exactly where my first shot goes, as this will be the most important shot fired while hunting. The first shot always goes high from a cold bore. I have found this to be the case whether the rifle is dirty or clean. I clean my guns after every session, but I have set my rifle aside for a week without cleaning, just to see if this will affect where the first shot goes. It does not. The first shot still goes high.
Im going to put my money on your technique, anticipation of the shot and recoil can cause most to move slightly as they brace. if you want to find out, make a simple cradle for the gun, then all you have to do is pull the trigger. then you can see how the cold bore affects the shot.
I can answer that, yes. I had a chance to handle one of these at an NRA convention some years back and if you don't push the trigger forward beforehand, it will have a heavier trigger, the one I handled was around the 7 to 8 pound range. When you push it forward and set it, it gives it a hair trigger, about 6 oz of I had to guess. The example I handled had a nice crisp trigger without setting it and would have been just fine for most hunting and field work, the set trigger would be for the more long range and precise shooting.
I remember seeing something like this at Cabelas in the "Black Powder" rifle section. Obvious replica used $800. I kick myself on why I bought the "Hawken" other than the fact I was new to muzzle loading.
You do an awesome job making these videos, very high quality. I love to watch them. I have to say that, in my opinion, something that made the first Creedmoor match even more amazing is that when John Bodine took the final winning shot he did it severely injured. Before his final shot, a rifle in his hand blew up( I don't remember the reason why). Mangling his hand. He believed that if he bandaged his hand/arm it would affect his accuracy so he waited until after the match to do so. Also on top of that more that half the American team was still drunk or hung-over from the night before the match when they celebrated their "Irish brothers" in honor of the competition .
Michael Stroup I think they must have had a very good time as one of the Irish team put his shot on the American target! I wonder what the result would have been had he not have done that?
See one in my gun shop the other day well there were a few there plus a ruger no 1 all in 45 70 the ruger was a stainless model I am really thinking of putting a deposit down on the pedersoli high wall its Iike new condition and at bargin price I love the old west rifles atb steve
Elegant rifle and interesting comments on the Creedmoor shooting matches. I reside near what used to be the range which was open from 1873 to 1907. All that is left are abandoned buildings of what was once a vast psychiatric hospital compound and one large hospital called the Creedmoor Psychiatric Center which is still in use. The streets around the hospital are named Winchester Boulevard, Range, Musket, Pistol and Sabre Streets in homage to what was the National Rifle Associations first rifle range. Thank you and keep up the excellent videos.
I much prefer the Sharps, but I also have a High Wall, I find the internal lockwork of the Winchester very complicated, which is a shame as the rifle is nice to shoot, if a little light weight for 45/120, as mine is.
Same thing here on convincing my wife and every since my dad shot a deer with one and knocked 12 feet back ,aside from the history of them I have wanted one.
For myself the top three Single Shot rifles is: Sharps Martini-Henry High Wall. There’s quite a bit to choose from though lol. I love the Remington Rolling Block too. It’s a toss honestly between that rifle and the Sharps. But the Sharps is just legendary and I love the design/look of it.
Very good! The 45-70 is a fantastic round! i use a marlin 1895G for wild boar and moose hunting here in sweden :) but sometimes i make blackpowder reloads just for the heck of it and the lovely scent of blackpowder (as addicting as a cigarette!) :D (dont tell the cops on me now :P) sadly, blackpowder hunting is illegal in Sweden :( even though farmers managed to fell game as big as a 600kg moose with a license made remington rolling block with a 12x44 blackpowder cartridge
Beautiful rifle. I am thinking of getting a Uberti 45/70 High Wall. It is not as expensive as Pedersoli. It would seem to me both brands are good quality. Is there any compelling reason why Pedersoli should be more?
Adrian, they are both good quality, but Pedersoli is better because of the bore. Uberti bores are button rifled, Pedersoli bores are broach rifled. The later is more precise, but needs more time and money.
***** Thank you. I'm not a precision shooter and at 70, my eyes are not so good. I'll go for the Uberti subject to permission from the "petticoat government". I find your videos very interesting and well presented.
There may have been somewhat of a different outcome in the groups shot - if the rest was placed under the forestock... shooters themselves would not hold the barrel where the rest was placed under the barrel.
If the barrel was a floating type it would cause problems, but BPC rifles barrels are not floating and it does not cause a problem. You can attend a meet and see most all of the best current long distant BPC shooters shooting from cross sticks with the barrel resting about 6 inches from the muzzle. Some of these rifles have a sweet spot where they like to be rested on the sticks, but the rifles are different than a floated barreled centerfire. If you do not think I know what I am talking about visit any BLACK POWDER CARTRIDGE RIFLE forum and ask them about resting a BPCR barrel vs. forend and the effects.
Pedersoli makes excellent firearms. Not bad accuracy considering the 45/70 could hardly be called a target cartridge in any rifle, and single shots of any brand are notoriously less accurate than the average bolt action.
Jose Scoseria Hi Jose, They are all excellent rifles. As far as I know they are not in the current production schedule, but who knows. Maybe someday... Keep proposing new designs at the factory's Facebok page.
***** You mean OLD designs !! :) I have quite a few originals , and shoot them all , but the replicas are a blessing , thank God for the people in Brescia !
if he's aiming at the 10 ring, he can't shoot. or the rifle is crap. lol, seriously, why do we get these accuracy tests if nobody aims at the bull? there will still be a group to brag about,right? if not aiming at the bull, then where? call your shots!
How can the rifle or the shooter be crap??? That was as good as it gets.... A tweek of the sights is all it needs. Some load development,that's a one hole sub moa gun... for an iron sighted production rifle. That's damn good... for 1/4 the price of a Meacham... ain't gonna beat that. You don't know guns very well sir
I had some thing as beautiful as that I would never ever shoot it with black powder. My experience of 50 years, once you shoot a single round of black powder in a firearm, you will never be able to stop the corrosion for the rest of your life no matter what you do.
That sir is an absolutely beautiful rifle. I love the 45/70 and have a Marlin 1895 Guide gun that shoots the 325gr. Jacketed hollow point Federal rounds with amazing accuracy (using a "Skinner" peep sight). Someday, I would love to have a rifle like that.
Update..... Just picked up a Winchester 1885 Hi Wall and it is awesome!
That's just about moa with factory fodder. One of the sweetest shooters I've yet to see. Thanks for sharing.
I'm getting one in the .45LC caliber. This caliber is much more universal for me. I also reload it using many different recipes. Imagine a 300 grain bullet coming out of this rifle... just awesome. Excellent video... thank you.
Excellent shooting with an excellent rifle! This is one of the rifles that are on my wish list...thanks for the dmo shooting.
Nothing wrong with that group. Great shooting.
Just really enjoy your fun and informational videos!
I love the versatility and hard hitting 45/70 round. Excellent shooting friend!
Thanks Michael, the 45/70 is one of my favourite as well.
That was as tight a group an iron sighted lifle could deliver. I wondered, however, if the rifle forestock was resting on the cushion, instead of the barrel, whether the group would have shrunk a bit.
its posible, but that aint no free float stock design lol, doubt it makes much diff
Stunning piece of history. Great shooting too.
Very nice shooting.
Wow that is a nice group at 100 meters.
Very Well Done Buddy
Another excellent video--and at the Pedersoli factory! Thank you.
Bought a High Wall Winchester today, .22 WCF made in 1887, quite a rifle. The bore is bright, when I can source some .22 WCF ammo I'll give it a go. It is good to have one of Browning's first designs.
Try Buffalo Arms but for over $4.00 a shot for loaded ammunition, you might want to get into reloading.
@@davidgardner863 .22 Hornet cases are virtually the same as .22WCF, the bullets are smaller at .223 vs. the .228 of .22WCF. I fire form the .22 Hornet in the rifle and use an antique Winchester hand loader press to load .228 bullets with BP, that works. Buffalo Arms is a good source of obsolete ammo, I got 20 rounds of 50-140 ammo from them for a Pedersoli Rolling Block rifle I bought locally. I found 50-90 dies on eBay for reloading them, the dies won't full length resize but do the job.
They make really beautiful rifles that shoot great. Great video guys.
Pedersoli, Well done.. I have had a couple of Hi Walls, J Stevens etc. Love the fit and finish on my Pedersoli 45-70. Although I have to admit I took the stocks off and refinished them with linseed oil for a natural rubbed oil look. The rifle now looks like it should, a every day shooter from 1885....
What a beautiful rifle!!
Why are you resting the barrel on the shooting rest? It affects the barrel harmonics during firing and has a negative effect on accuracy.
I can see why it is your dream gun, great video.
Can you explain to us Sir, why the first shot always goes high? I have been monitoring this closely for a number of years. I always fire one fouling shot at the beginning of every shooting session. I tape this hole before proceeding. I want to know exactly where my first shot goes, as this will be the most important shot fired while hunting. The first shot always goes high from a cold bore. I have found this to be the case whether the rifle is dirty or clean. I clean my guns after every session, but I have set my rifle aside for a week without cleaning, just to see if this will affect where the first shot goes. It does not. The first shot still goes high.
I know this is an old comment, but have you tried waiting several minutes for the barrel to cool between shots?
Im going to put my money on your technique, anticipation of the shot and recoil can cause most to move slightly as they brace. if you want to find out, make a simple cradle for the gun, then all you have to do is pull the trigger. then you can see how the cold bore affects the shot.
I've wanted one since I saw Quigley Down Under. I hand load 45-70s for my H&R Handi Rifle, but this is the gun I really want.
Aubrey Collins He used a Sharps rifle, not a High Wall.
some really good collections
I have a high wall H.M.Pope barrel I’m thinking of building the rifle out. Would be really cool to own completed
Beautiful rifle, I want one
Thanks for the video, I really enjoyed it. On the set triggers can you pull them with out setting
them first and still shoot the rifle?
I can answer that, yes. I had a chance to handle one of these at an NRA convention some years back and if you don't push the trigger forward beforehand, it will have a heavier trigger, the one I handled was around the 7 to 8 pound range. When you push it forward and set it, it gives it a hair trigger, about 6 oz of I had to guess. The example I handled had a nice crisp trigger without setting it and would have been just fine for most hunting and field work, the set trigger would be for the more long range and precise shooting.
I remember seeing something like this at Cabelas in the "Black Powder" rifle section. Obvious replica used $800. I kick myself on why I bought the "Hawken" other than the fact I was new to muzzle loading.
Did you eventually correct the windage?
The spur lever was intended for double set triggers. Why didn’t they use the appropriate lever for a single trigger?
Great stuff. Thanks!
Thanks for a great video.
You do an awesome job making these videos, very high quality. I love to watch them. I have to say that, in my opinion, something that made the first Creedmoor match even more amazing is that when John Bodine took the final winning shot he did it severely injured. Before his final shot, a rifle in his hand blew up( I don't remember the reason why). Mangling his hand. He believed that if he bandaged his hand/arm it would affect his accuracy so he waited until after the match to do so. Also on top of that more that half the American team was still drunk or hung-over from the night before the match when they celebrated their "Irish brothers" in honor of the competition .
Michael Stroup I think they must have had a very good time as one of the Irish team put his shot on the American target! I wonder what the result would have been had he not have done that?
See one in my gun shop the other day well there were a few there plus a ruger no 1 all in 45 70 the ruger was a stainless model I am really thinking of putting a deposit down on the pedersoli high wall its
Iike new condition and at bargin price I love the old west rifles atb steve
Group like that is excellent.
A classy production.
Very nice rifle...on thing, has the self-cocking feature been disabled?
Elegant rifle and interesting comments on the Creedmoor shooting matches. I reside near what used to be the range which was open from 1873 to 1907. All that is left are abandoned buildings of what was once a vast psychiatric hospital compound and one large hospital called the Creedmoor Psychiatric Center which is still in use. The streets around the hospital are named Winchester Boulevard, Range, Musket, Pistol and Sabre Streets in homage to what was the National Rifle Associations first rifle range. Thank you and keep up the excellent videos.
Erik, you live in a very historic place. Thanks for the coment!
What interesting information, Erik! A storied place in American shooting history. Thanks for sharing that!
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Cool rifle.
I still feel you should do a video on Harry popes barrels I really feel your audience would like seeing it. Thanks again
Id like to see one made in 50/100 or 45/120
I think about buying one, but what is it with that rear Peep hole? why is it not staying on point?
nice gun and good vid
what do you now about pinfire revolvers in the uk we can own originals but now 1 nows where to get ammo for them.
liam clarke The reason you can own them is that there is no ammo for them, you can own them, but you cannot shoot them, that is the whole point.
How much does a Pedersoli cost and is there a waiting list?
check out their website, they have many rifles and handguns.
I much prefer the Sharps, but I also have a High Wall, I find the internal lockwork of the Winchester very complicated, which is a shame as the rifle is nice to shoot, if a little light weight for 45/120, as mine is.
Same thing here on convincing my wife and every since my dad shot a deer with one and knocked 12 feet back ,aside from the history of them I have wanted one.
The recoil put the vernier sight into your face! Black powder, lower pressure, would seem to make sense. Ouch! Great composure.
I prefer the Sharps, but this is very nice also.
For myself the top three Single Shot rifles is:
Sharps
Martini-Henry
High Wall.
There’s quite a bit to choose from though lol. I love the Remington Rolling Block too. It’s a toss honestly between that rifle and the Sharps. But the Sharps is just legendary and I love the design/look of it.
I’m not certain but if you didn’t place the barrel on the rest their would not have been vertical stringing
Trick is to find the null point on the barrel and rest the barrel on that same point every time
Very good! The 45-70 is a fantastic round! i use a marlin 1895G for wild boar and moose hunting here in sweden :) but sometimes i make blackpowder reloads just for the heck of it and the lovely scent of blackpowder (as addicting as a cigarette!) :D (dont tell the cops on me now :P) sadly, blackpowder hunting is illegal in Sweden :( even though farmers managed to fell game as big as a 600kg moose with a license made remington rolling block with a 12x44 blackpowder cartridge
You shouldn't have the barrel touching the rest it affects barrel harmonics and opens up the groups
Beautiful rifle. I am thinking of getting a Uberti 45/70 High Wall. It is not as expensive as Pedersoli. It would seem to me both brands are good quality. Is there any compelling reason why Pedersoli should be more?
Adrian, they are both good quality, but Pedersoli is better because of the bore. Uberti bores are button rifled, Pedersoli bores are broach rifled. The later is more precise, but needs more time and money.
***** Thank you. I'm not a precision shooter and at 70, my eyes are not so good. I'll go for the Uberti subject to permission from the "petticoat government". I find your videos very interesting and well presented.
There may have been somewhat of a different outcome in the groups shot - if the rest was placed under the forestock... shooters themselves would not hold the barrel where the rest was placed under the barrel.
If the barrel was a floating type it would cause problems, but BPC rifles barrels are not floating and it does not cause a problem. You can attend a meet and see most all of the best current long distant BPC shooters shooting from cross sticks with the barrel resting about 6 inches from the muzzle. Some of these rifles have a sweet spot where they like to be rested on the sticks, but the rifles are different than a floated barreled centerfire. If you do not think I know what I am talking about visit any BLACK POWDER CARTRIDGE RIFLE forum and ask them about resting a BPCR barrel vs. forend and the effects.
It shoots smokeless powder?
Either Black or smokeless
Beautiful rifle. I hope one will be made in 9.3x74mmR
make it a 45-90,get ride of that extra hook on the trigger guard,needs a 34 inch barrel,and then let me know
I bought a sharps of peddersoli manufature beautful craftmanship
Pedersoli makes excellent firearms. Not bad accuracy considering the 45/70 could hardly be called a target cartridge in any rifle, and single shots of any brand are notoriously less accurate than the average bolt action.
pedersoli makes good guns
Clint Eastwood old western pistols & tactical guns please
super
I prefer the Ruger no 1 frankly
So who bought the beer?
I was lucky as we ran out of time, so did not have time to compete. Stefano is also a good shooter ;)
Your so lucky to get to shot a high wall
Yes, but now I have to start convincing my wife that the family strongly needs another songle shot rifle...
***** How about convincing Stefano to produce the Remington -Hepburn, the Sharps -Borchardt , and going into repeaterland , the Remington - Keene ?
Jose Scoseria
Hi Jose, They are all excellent rifles. As far as I know they are not in the current production schedule, but who knows. Maybe someday... Keep proposing new designs at the factory's Facebok page.
***** You mean OLD designs !! :)
I have quite a few originals , and shoot them all , but the replicas are a blessing , thank God for the people in Brescia !
If you would have rested the forend on your rest instead of the barrel, the gun would have shot even better.
I'd like to see them make a 357 mag trapdoor
Ok to the author only please
What is the cocking/ ejection lever called. On this rifle. The style name?
sleek, slim and sexy. gorgeous rifle
Greag video I just joined your channel
Wow, just bought a rolling block in 45-70
According to the auto-generated closed-captioning, you are filming this at the feather soda factory in Ghana! 😂😭🤣🤣🤣
Jesus, chamber it for something other than the 45/70!...every cartridge rifle they make has the same chambering
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Congratulations! :)
These two remind me of the Hardly boys
Hardly ever does me. But I did grow up reading the Hardy Boys books.
It's resting on the barrel
would be cool if they ejected like the original
if he's aiming at the 10 ring, he can't shoot. or the rifle is crap. lol, seriously, why do we get these accuracy tests if nobody aims at the bull? there will still be a group to brag about,right? if not aiming at the bull, then where? call your shots!
How can the rifle or the shooter be crap??? That was as good as it gets.... A tweek of the sights is all it needs. Some load development,that's a one hole sub moa gun... for an iron sighted production rifle. That's damn good... for 1/4 the price of a Meacham... ain't gonna beat that. You don't know guns very well sir
I had some thing as beautiful as that I would never ever shoot it with black powder. My experience of 50 years, once you shoot a single round of black powder in a firearm, you will never be able to stop the corrosion for the rest of your life no matter what you do.