Oblivion's Quest of CHOICES: Paranoia - Is Glarthir Paranoid? Or Does He Know TOO Much?
Вставка
- Опубліковано 30 лис 2023
- In today's video, we discuss a quest in the Elder Scrolls: IV Oblivion called Paranoia. The quest begins with the player arriving in the city of Skingrad. Once in town, you'll notice a wood elf named Glarthir following you around, trying to catch your attention. He strangely tells you to meet him behind the chapel after midnight to discuss something important. When the player talks to him at that time for the meeting, a series of tasks are given to the player that involve stalking and spying on citizens around town. It is here that the player can make several different choices on how to go about handling the quest. Some choices lead to outcomes that end in tragedy, horror and innocent people dying. Other choices lead to less casualties, but end with less closure for everyone involved. Does Glarthir know too much about factions and cults around Cyrodiil and Tamriel, or is he simply just Paranoid? Don't forget to like, comment and subscribe!
#elderscrolls #oblivion #lore #gaming #quest - Ігри
This quest is honestly the perfect way to trigger the Dark Brotherhood recruitment. You're not just any psychotic killer who chopped someone down in a spontaneous flurry, you fill the role of a shadowy stalker who strikes in the night and shows a penchant for blood money. In other words, a display of skills and character traits that the Night Mother would be looking for.
It’s a really great way to get initiated into it for sure!
This is, in fact, how I did it the very first time.
And you could argue that it validates Glarthir's paranoia if you assume that the Brotherhood was following Glarthir and just happened upon the player because of that.
It's also a noice way for a thief to earn some quick coin 😂
Oooh, nice. Next time I play, that's how I'm going to start. 👍🏻
Skingrad has always creeped me out cos for a city with such big buildings it feels like theres hardly anyone there
It's how narrow the streets are
Occasionally there's some vampire hunters. Plus there's a roaming necrophiliac
@@explodingplant2only 500 gold fine, even if it's not your first offense. Nothing compared to the fine in Morrowind! 😂
Ehh, it's all about the wine. Just get tanked instead.
How tf do you even commit necrophilia in Morrowind? Don't they burn their dead? Do they stick their penis in the eye socket of a skull like that 4chan thread or use a femur as a dildo? @@Oracle13
I've always found it ironic that Glarthir has all these paranoia fueled theories that are unfounded, but he seems to be oblivious to the town's true dark secret - the count is a vampire.
People worry about chemtrails when Google is literally spying on them, too. The things we worry about aren't always the things we should worry about, and that's without mental illness in the mix.
I love the way he says Toutius' name
"TOOTius SEXtius"
The devs knew what they were doing with this one 👀
What's so funny about Sussus Amogus?
teutius sextius is sexting my wife
@@user-ct8dm7ez4r okay zoomer.
Tootius Sextius is sexting his wife. I’m sure that motherfucker wants him out of his life
Imaging an alternative version of the questline where you can lie about them watching him, BUT say they are doing it for positive reasons.
Like say.
- Bernadette has been watching you because she's infatuated with you!
-Davide has been thinking of inviting you over for wine.
-Sextius is just concerned about you.
Oh, that would be fun. Telling Glarthir that the people are just looking out for a fellow citizen of Skingrad.
Why? Well, because he acts so scared and paranoid. So it's only natural that the three are checking on him if everything is okay.
Everytime i hear glarthirs lines, all i can think of is the glarthir song.
Just as I thought! JUST as I thought!
The thing with Glarthir's paranoia is it is *almost* justified, it's a well done plot line. Everyone IS kind of keeping tabs on him, even the town guards. And who was "the little bird" that talked to Dion? That is, indeed, indicative of a "conspiracy" of sorts. However, here we have a sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy, which is why it's so troubling and well written. Glarthir is weird, but is by all means a law-abiding citizen. Obviously he must be productive, too, else how could he pay you all that gold? Everyone you talk to sort of admits in some way they see him often or notice him a lot. And if they really WERE tailing him, why would they tell you? And then Dion mentions "a little bird" told him YOU are snooping about? And you can hear random citizens talking about Glarthir all over town?
The only person who directly says "yes we pay attention to him" is the guard... and that's basically an admission of what "gangstalking" people fear - that "the police" are "keeping tabs" on them. So Glarthir -sort of- turns out to be justified. He is certainly paranoid in that, it seems, nobody has plans to "get him." But he isn't wrong that people make note of him and observe him. He's a topic of the town in hush-hush conversations, and town guard are actively paying attention to his behaviour.
So basically you have a dude who is a little weird, but harmless, but everyone in town talks about him, sort of keeps him at an arms length, and the town guard are objectively keeping tabs on him. Noticing these connections isn't a true conspiracy, but it's a perfectly well written example of how this type of "madness" can over take someone in a very real way - it's a self-fulfilling prophecy. "I act weird. So people act weird back. BUT I am oblivious to my own weirdness, so it just seems like everyone is behaving weirdly toward me. They must be out to get me. I behave even more weirdly... they behave even more weirdly in return..."
I also am in that group that would swear I found some kind of evidence pointing to a real conspiracy against him, but it is likely Mandela madness type of stuff based on the notes you find in the basement and this train of thought where you can be sympathetic to his plight but at the end of the day he really was a madman.
Or.. was he...?
I was thinking the same actually! When Dion said a little birdy told me about Glarthir, it was clear that someone was definitely keeping tabs on him! I wanted to look into Dion’s background but there wasn’t much there unfortunately
"I know I'm crazy, but crazy people don't know they're crazy, and that makes me not crazy; crazy, right?" But yeah, definitely not harmless just inactive until the end of the quest where he pulls out an axe. Guy got his life stacked against him
Pretty sure a competent guard would know about the city's eccentric and be careful about him for the sake of the people. "Little bird" is also a pretty normal way of saying "yeah I know about this so...".
We don't know what he did before the quest started. It is perfectly reasonable to assume some previous weird behavior had already been noticed by the guard and so they wanted to be careful with him. Besides, they only act when he involves himself in murder conspiracy.
Gurl
U made my brain explored
I was
Omg
I was so really confused about why were the guards keep an eye on him, what did he do because come on the authority wont check u for no reason, what did he do to be checked in the first place
I KNEW it, first your lackluster supposed "conclusion" about the truth of the matter in this questline, and now you're all over the comments running damage control for the few cases where people ask questions about this flimsy narrative. You'd have to be a fool not to connect the dots, I know they've gotten to you now, too
>:O
NEVER SHOULD HAVE COME HERE! HYA-HAAH!@@ABardsBallad
Well now I understand why Dion was slowly following me all around Skingrad when I first came into town. I had a bounty on me at the time, and his instinct for justice overrode the dialogue he had for this quest. I was literally being stalked by this man who just somehow knew that I had done something, and the way he slowly approached me like a fucking Terminator was legitimately one of the most unnerving and terrifying things I have ever experienced in a game
The way he first walked toward me while I was doing the quest totally creeped me out too 😂
oh, that's nothing I had Dion break into a room I was sleeping in at an inn! Then his body started glitching out in the door LOL!
I love Oblivion. The way that you can never tell if what you've encountered is a bug or part of a quest is something else. You kind of just take the game at face value, and let Oblivion be Oblivion.
In my game, Toutius Sextius first claimed to me that he doesn't know Glarthir, only to gossip in Castle Skingrad with THREE people about Glarthir (he started the topic!). But in the evening, he talked with that High Elven farmer man outside the West Gate about Glarthir. And the High Elf replied IN THE SAME CONVERSATION with "did you know that if you murder someone, the Dark Brotherhood will come to you while you sleep?"!!! That was just a codeword! THEY PLAN TO MURDER POOR GLARTHIR TO JOIN THE DARK BROTHERHOOD! First Toutius Sextius tried to find allies in the court to murder him, but then he conspired with the Thalmor agent to murder a Bosmer! I pushed Toutius Sextius down the bridge on his way to Castle Skingrad (took me 20 minutes to do so), but not before showing him Glarthir's note, so he could know that his evil plans are unveiled!
I really wouldn’t be surprised if the devs left little bits of in game dialogue for the player to overhear for this quest!
@@ABardsBallad That would be genius. If it was just a coincidence, it was a great one that enhanced my playing experience a lot!
Ah yes, because every High Elf is Thalmor, even in a time period where the 3rd Aldmeri Dominion weren't even a major player yet /s
Really though, it was their actions to protect people during the height of the invasion and their claim to have ended it entirely that put the Thalmor into power, so the idea of some random farmer being involved with them and targeting a random bosmer to join the brotherhood of all things is unlikely. The idea that the two were just generally planning to try and join the brotherhood is a fun one though
Wooooooooooooooooooooooooow
Just woooooooooooow
@@sterthester736
I'm sure I was overhearing him talking about "syndicates of mages" too.
Once you ask about Glarthir, Captain Dion will literally follow you anywhere in Skingrad. I was doing the thieves guild quest where you have to sneak into the vampire lair under the prison. Dion appeared in the tunnels asked me about Glarthir then proceeded to arrest me once the convo ended hahaha.
That's must be such a scary moment !
Glarthir is a pretty good depiction of what can happen when mental illness goes untreated for too long. He was eccentric and overly-cautious, but was (for the most part) harmless, and more of a nuisance than anything else. Sadly, by the time the events of Oblivion take place, his condition has deteriorated to the point where he's basically turned into the very thing he was so terrified of all those long years. Honestly, Glarthir wouldn't at all seem out-of-place in the Shivering Isles.
My personal theory as to what reduced Glarthir to the monster he is in-game is that he was always a bit paranoid, suspecting that people were whispering about him behind his back, assuming people were laughing at him specifically whenever he heard laughter, overanalyzing every single minute gesture and aside glance someone made, and just generally jumping at shadows. But I think what truly drove him over the edge was his prolonged isolation. Given the things he says in his notes, it's implied that he would often stay barricaded in his house for _days at a time._ Imagine: Glarthir realizes that the same people pass by him or glance at him during their daily routines, and starts to wonder why that is. But instead of simply _asking_ them, he locks himself in his house. Alone. Where there's nobody he can confide in and ask for a second opinion, and where his increasingly frantic and vindictive delusions run rampant. He basically lives in an echo chamber of his own design, listening to his own insane thoughts for *every waking moment of his life.*
Honestly, it's something of a miracle that it took as long as it did for Glarthir to snap.
Fun fact with this quest, though: If you tell Glarthir that Bernadette and Davide were both spying on him, but _also_ tell him that Toutius is innocent, you not only get some unique dialogue (in which he quickly concludes that the "conspiracy" was using Toutius as a decoy to draw Glarthir's attention away from their *real* agents), but you also get to see a unique note in his house; in the contents of the note, Glarthir seems convinced that Toutius is indeed blameless, and seems happy to know that "at least one of [his] fellow-citizens" isn't supposedly trying to get him killed. It's worth mentioning that if you tell him _Bernadette_ is innocent, the note in his house seems to be a lot more skeptical of her innocence. My theory as to why he seems more willing to believe Toutius is innocent if you tell him Bernadette is guilty is that, since you've confirmed his suspicions at least once, he feels that he can trust your info more completely.
Oh, and speaking of the Shivering Isles: The Duchess of Dementia, Syl? Her first quest, "The Lady of Paranoia" _also_ consists of the player being tasked with exposing a malicious conspiracy. Unlike Glarthir, however, Syl's suspicions are actually quite justified, as it's soon revealed that there is at least _three people_ in Dementia who are actively plotting against her (considering the tiny amount of people in each town you can talk to in-game, three people is a surprisingly big amount). In fact, *both* quests have three "key suspects", but in Syl's case, the suspects are actually up to no good, whereas Glarthir was, as stated above, almost certainly jumping at shadows. Syl's quest even ends with the ringleader being arrested and locked in what essentially amounts to an elaborate electric chair, one which Syl personally activates; Glarthir's weapon of choice is a battleaxe, which seems eerily similar to a _headsman's axe._ And, for the cherry on top, both Glarthir and Syl are Bosmers.
It's possible the parallels were completely unintentional, but it's still something I noticed.
Edit: Fixed some typos.
Appreciate you taking the time to write all of this! :) I agree! Glarthir would’ve been a great match for the shivering isles and it’s unfortunate that there was no option to get him help for the quest!
I didnt know about the unique note!! Thank you!!
I'm going to try this out 🤩
-It would be so nice if there was an option for Glarthir to live. Not sure how but he's just a fun character
@@shikiixTheYoungWidowpretty sure he lives if he manages to kill all the targets without guard involvement
@@Zyklon_B_still_and_know_God No the guards will relentlessly chase him down if they spot him even after the quest
Funny I actually relate to a lot of what you said about Glarthir. I've went through periods of feeling like I was being gangstalked and isolate myself a lot. Weeks and months at a time not leaving the house. The echo chamber thing you mentioned definitely rings true. I still feel that way, when I do go out, feeling as if I'm being watched or talked about or laughed at. I am aware though, that I'm simply a very weird and troubled person with a bad reputation in a small town. (Probably) no grand conspiracy. But it is still a downward spirial. anyways, I enjoyed reading your comment. Pretty insightful and an accurate analysis, thanks c:
Imagine there was a real conspiracy to uncover if the player goes the extra mile!
i actually used detect life spells. and i personally think people WERE after him.
he is a collector of knowledge, paranoid, and potentially a risk to the crown.
he has MANY books and equipment of an intelligent person. dude sorta gave me una bomber vibes.
i feel like he uncovered something, found a book he shouldnt have had. but didnt know much about it
very possible HE WAS followed at one point.
I always feel bad about this quest. You're playing on someone's (potential) mental illness just to make a quick buck, and there's no path where you can convince him to just ask for help or find somewhere that, y'know, doesn't have neighbors who will set him off. Someone *has* to die, and that just sucks.
I will say, the one path that I do wish this quest had was indeed a path where no one had to die and glarthir was simply just arrested or something of the sorts
Just assume the Hero of Kvatch is also batshit insane too, so the player character probably really believes they saw Bernadette following him around. That's how I took it every time you had an option to say something crazy. You're kind of a crazy person. Made the Shivering Isles make my entire playthrough make so much sense. It was meant to be. Like how I stole every single spoon in Cyrodill and then Skyrim came out and there were no spoons. It just felt like real progress on my character's behalf.
It is impossible for the Selectives to be after him since they haven't existed since the First Era. Outside of that, great video. I never did the part of lying to him, so that was nice to see.
After talking with the first woman he asked to check, it made it pretty clear that he was insane. Then the guard showed up and it made it even clearer. I also really like how the quest mentions how "quiet, strange and awkward" people can end up being extremely problematic rather than just some quirk... which hits a bit too close to RL given some tragic situations.
Its nice to see a good and detailed Oblivion content creator in 2023. I really like your videos man. Keep it up
Thank you for the kind words! I really appreciate it and I’m glad people still enjoy the game as much as I do!
Funny that I never noticed the neck seam related stuff in Oblivion until I started modding Skyrim. Glarthir's head is shadowed at night, but where it connects to the body doesn't have the same shadow. You can't unsee it.
😂 I’m afraid to notice it now
As far as I remember this is because the head is his actual head and from the neck down the body is part of the clothing model, just applying the skin texture of the npc to it. And for some reason that model handles shadows differently (not at all)
Why would you tell me this? I didn't want to be cursed with this, I wanted to stay in blessed ignorance. Now it's going to drive me insane, and playing will become intolerable. I don't know if there's a mod for this (there probably is) but you just created a need for a mod. Thanks. Now I'll have to consider whether or not it'll run with the big titties mods.
Oblivion hooked me into the Elder Scrolls world ever since it landed on the shelf, and to this day I never knew Glarthir stalks you before whispering you to come over, or being able to show the 3 targets the list
This is a brilliant quest because it's a way to show off one of the major features of the new game engine which was highly touted at the time: the radiant AI system. Like, it's easy to forget at this point since such systems are now rather common in open world games (though rarely quite as open as it in Oblivion), but back in 2006, the complexities of such a system were rather astounding! This quest was a showcase to demonstrate how complex this system could get, with all of its outcomes and AI interactions.
Once i followed one of the suspects and she went to take a break after working on the field and then another worker went over to sit next to her and they noticed me trying to sneak up to listen to them chat and then they tried to kill me😐
There’s a lot of interesting little scenarios like this that I read up on that have happened to people while doing this quest!
I noticed this too but the other worker stole from her 3 times and then went to have a conversation with her right after each time
I remember the first time I did that quest, after reporting to Glarthir both times that no one was following him. On the third encounter, he came with a big axe hanging on his back. I remember thinking "This isn't going to end well".
Glarthir is also a Flat Nirner.
Spoiler alert: Nirn actually IS flat, because it's a fantasy world made by actual gods who prefer disk shapes (see: Azura's Star). In fact, it's the Nirnroots that pin the disc to the giant Mudcrab carrying Nirn on its back, and once enough TES protagonists pick enough nirnroots, the whole planet will slide off the Mudcrab into the endless voids of Oblivion.
@@MidlifeCrisisJoe That's wild
@@MidlifeCrisisJoe Now that I think about it, I don't think i've ever seen a spinning globe thing in the games, like those spinning earth globe things we have in real life.
23:20 "and nothing has been found"
Me: "AHA! So! You're in on it too! NOT ONE OF THEM GUILTY! They got to you too! I KNEW IT! By Azura, by Azura, by Azura!!!"
You can also loot the trash can in his house for some free gold. At any point during the quest it's right by his front door.
One of my favorite things about this quest. Because of course the paranoiac puts his gold in the last place you'd look!
I think he's potentially innocent based on one key piece of evidence. When you kill Glarthir, it triggers the Dark Brotherhood quest line, which can only be initiated by killing innocent people. I could be mistaken about that, but that's been my running theory for a while now
Nay you can kill anyone outside a quest line and the Dark Brotherhood will come to you. Or put another way unless you are told to kill someone in a Guild quest or the Arena etc, all NPCs are considered "innocent" ... even members of the Orum Gang in Cheydenhal who run the skooma trade in Cyrodiil.
@@greenscheme2040
There actually is one arena match in which you will trigger the Dark Brotherhood. It’s the one where you face three opponents at once.
they're slaves and fight for their freedom, so it makes sense @@ExhaustedScarf
@@luisortega8085
Yeah. Most of the other combatants either chose to be there out of desperation or chose to be there for honour or glory. The slaves were signed up by their masters and told they’d earn their freedom if they won.
The other combatants know what they were getting into. Those three didn’t. And while the player has no way of knowing the extent of their circumstances, there is no formal spiritual contract of knowing danger with those three the way there is for the other combatants, so the Night Mother sees death without an understanding of danger established beforehand, and takes that to mean the same as a coldblooded murder.
I believe she doesn’t watch over the world directly, but rather feels when an innocent life has been taken without knowing having a willingly made agreement that states they could die.
"Yes, you. We need to talk" Congratulations on reaching 2k subs!
Ayyy thank you!! :) it was really cool to see it happen! Tons of more content to come out! :)
actually just did this quest recently on my playthrough and if you're super conscious about waiting its an anxiety inducing experience of not much happening and dealing with the worst kind of insanity while everyone tells you they don't mind him or never heard of him. Also each dialogue is literally either 6 or 18 hours apart. Then again I've always thought sheogorath was mid and haskill was the true star of that show. I ratted him out the second the note touched my inventory and enjoyed the private arena show.
Yeah the developers definitely did a wicked job with keeping the player enticed on this one 😂 I think my first time I got the ending where he attacked my character so I was really confused
@@ABardsBallad That was my first playthrough experience as well, "maybe he'll just calm down" nope lol. so this time i told him they were for the extra gold and so i could get the note. Then afterwards used his key to go in his basement and retreive his notes to hoard away in my basement.
I've seen a lot of videos covering this quest and have done this quest 1000s of times but I actually didn't know about Glarthir possibly knowing secrets of these cults and that may have been what led him down the route of extreme paranoia. Awesome video 😃
Have you ever thought about a video on who ordered the dinner party hit? I wonder that a lot
Cheers! Thank you for the support!! I really found the notes in the basement very interesting to look into! I’ll have to look further into the dinner party hit for a video if the future!
Easily rhe best sidequest in Oblivion, hands down. I tried hard enough with my last character to find all possible dialogue/routes in this quest and seems like I still didn't find everything. That's why it's so great! And greatly exexuted concept too.
It was a super fun and unique quest! Lot’s of varying NPC interactions which was really cool!
@@ABardsBallad There is a third set of dialogue if you kill the person you are spying on for Glarthir before speaking with him behind the church to report on them
Glarthir might just be so crazy that he thinks he has important information on those factions, while in reality he doesn't have anything at all or maybe a minor bit of essentially public knowledge. Which is the theory I'm siding with.
I’ve thought of that as well that there’s a really great chance he has nothing more than general knowledge, or just bare minimum poking around to where he thinks they’re out to get him!
@@ABardsBallad He's basically like the people who claim the deep state or the illuminati are out to get them because they know too much. And they tend to know nothing.
I never went down the route of killing his targets. Brutal 😮
I actually enjoyed this quest its a nice change of pace from all the killing and saving the world
I agree! I really liked the spying and detective work!
I love this quest. So glad you covered it
Cheers! :) it’s definitely up there for me on my favourite side quests!
I enjoy letting Glarthir get close and then running away from him so as not to trigger the quest. . .I do the same thing irl all the time when people attempt to approach🃏🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣✌️
These oblivion quest narrations are my happy place
My man. Glad you talked about this quest. Another good qust to talk about is Sheos daedric quest in base game. That one has great diolog depending on how far you gotten on Shivering isle dlc.
It was a super fun one to talk about and cover! I’ll have to look into that one as well! :)
Out of all the voice actors in this game, the guy who played Glarthir (and about 30% of all other NPC's) knocked it out of the park. Guy deserves an oscar 😂
I love Skingrad.
There's a funny and awesome glitch in the vampire quest. When you complete it and the Count pays you gold, if you leave the room and go back in, he'll repeat the same dialogue and pay you again for completing the quest.
I made hundreds of thousands of gold after leaving and re-entering, skipping through the dialogue and receiving payment.
It's very tedious and boring. But if you have the patience, you can farm a lot of gold using that glitch.
you can just cheat gold at this point . tho its way too easy to get rich in bethesda games after morrowind
@@TerrorZelleThat's true. So easy to make tons of money. Especially in Morrowind with the alchemy ingredients glitch. Then a few levels up selling armor etc in these games you are rolling in loot.
I wonder how many players really thought they saw the characters acting suspicious and that the only logical conclusion was that they were really spying and decided to kill them as ordered, possibly expecting the game to provide more context or events, rather than just getting a trip from guards after an assault/murder. I remember Bernadette Peneles standing outside facing Glarthir's house for some time in the morning and thought perhaps it was intentional on the part of the developers, but it was quite clear that Glarthir was crazy as the quest went on and that the only real solution in my mind was to tell the guards.
Thank you so much for making this awesome video! Incredible breakdown of one of the best quests in the game. Honestly, this is the quest that made Oblivion for me. I'll never forget how much I laughed at Glarthir's comments as a teenager, and how shocked I was when he showed up to the third meeting with his battle axe ready to go.
If you do the entire thing where you spy on every single person then he turns on you to attack, then you calm spell him and leave the city and fast travel away, when you come back he is non aggressive and the quest breaks and won’t update until you kill him.
I didn’t know that! That’s pretty neat!
The last time I played Oblivion, I did in fact lie to Glarthir, but at the conclusion of the questline when he had that last request, I did as Dion asked and reported what Glarthir asked me to do, resulting in his death. In earlier playthroughs, I usually told him the truth. He still died because either I killed him in self defense or ran away until a guard saw him attacking me.
Maybe try the calm spell?
This is the first memorable quest I've played in oblivion, the second one was the walk in painting quest :)
He also released a banger of a song!
Daedric Entities, big and small
Patiently waiting for the towers' fall
Some of the down like a game of Jenga
Nirn is a playground to them all
I am very impressed. Would love more videos on oblivion and Skyrim lore. They have many actual books to read in the game and I've always wondered if there was something revealing about the lore, or even prophecy style quest predictions.
I feel like an interaction between him and the adoring fan would be interesting. That being said, this quest has no solution where he doesn't die which is sad. That being said, I feel like it was the introduction quest to join the Dark Brotherhood. It would have also been interesting if they had been members of the Mythic Dawn as that would then create creedence to his paranoia. It would be interesting too if they had a mod that basically made it so that this was actually accurate and Glaurathir was right.
This is one of my favorite quests in Oblivion.
When I first did this quest, I thought Glarthir was right. I snuck into Bernadette's house and I found weapons in one of the closets. I'm like why does someone who works at a winery need battle axes and stuff. Then I snuck around the second dude's house and he was there. I fought him and he was actually pretty tough in hand to hand fighting. I was thinking that they don't seem to be just normal people.
Lol, except almost every other character's house has weapons somewhere in it. Guess you didn't do too much thieving when you were playing the first time. Got t be a good thief to know stuff in this game.
I just went with it playing Glathirs investigation game and telling him that he was right all along with every person. In the end when he gave me the last task to kill all these mentioned people, I just went to a guard with the task note glathir gave me and I snitch him to a guard so he gets killed by the guard in his insanity. After Glathir drops dead I take his House Key, break in and steal every last bit of coin and every item which has some value (for selling to a fence for the thieves guild) That's the most fun way to do this quest for me xD
his money is hidden in a basket right next to his front door If I remember correctly
You should make a video about Mazoga the Orc
I’ll take a look at it for sure!
I like the song of glarthir found on youtube. I hear it in my head all the time when in that city.
Lad's a bit touched by Sheogorath, tbh. Shame you couldn't point him in the direction of the Portal in Niben bay where he could probably safely live out his insanity. OR WOULD HE?
Well he'd at least be among more than a few other male Bosmers. Those male wood elves be a crazy lot. (Want to buy a stick).
@@greenscheme2040 Aw, Fibble.
Well, i luckily and as an accident got another ending to this quest line. Which is that i told Glarthir that none of his suspects are watching him but instead of making him go kill those people, due to a glitch somehow glarthir didnt go kill them nor he himself got killed by anyone. So i think I got the best ending as no innocent people died nor did the mentally affected/diseased Glarthir. :)
There is one last possibility: The Marukhati Selectives might have been slowly poisoning Glarthir, and not necessarily in a literal sense. All they would need to do is have a few people disguise themselves as the three completely innocent people to spy on him randomly and then stop once he becomes aware of the stalking. A few choice words from a few paid "birdies" into Glarthir's ear (or even just near enough for him to overhear) and the paranoia that ensues would almost certainly lead him to be killed. Glarthir dies, the information he knows dies with him, and the Marukhati Selectives keep their hands "clean".
Had one play-through where I followed the first two, reported they weren't doing anything suspicious, but when it came to the third person, there was no sign of him. Eventually, found his body underneath the bridge joining the city to the castle, with no explanation (a Bethesda bug, maybe?). Went back to Glarthir, & was able to tell him that the person was dead (in the dialogue options). He was happy with that, paid me, & carried on living in the city, but ignoring & avoiding me. No idea if it was a bug/glitch/"feature", but it was a kind of happier ending...
You could lie for a few of them and tell the truth on others. That's what I did before I told the cops on him.
For some reason, Glarthir specifying he's paying you gold makes me giggle. Instead of, i dunno, poop?
In regards to the mandela effect on Davide Surilie being guilty I think it may be based on the official strategy guide for the game, when it details this quest it notes that Davide has a secret chest of hidden treasures in the pond to the north of the vineyard. I think the chest is filled randomly so it's not hard evidence, but that's where I know the suspicion from.
I killed everyone for him my first playthrough i mean the guy paid me what else am i supposed to do. I always honor contracts no matter what and they are suspicious
He paid you if you told him the truth too. He just asked you to report back what you found. He only gets upset at you at the end.
Remember the first time I did the quest. Wasted a lot of time tailing the targets, ended up tattling on the guy.
A part of me really did wish he wasn’t crazy and someone was actually following him so that way the spying we did was put to use!
I just did this quest, and actually stalked all 3 for multiple days without passing time. I caught Bernadette telling someone I couldn't see that she keeps trying to follow Glarthir but he always spots her, and caught David telling someone that he was acting stranger than normal in an extremely brief interaction. I think Glarthir is right.
Skingrad reminds of some of the old streets in York
It's funny how thought out and expansive this one quest is when in almost every playthrough I usually just say "no", hear he's going to "take matters into his own hands", and then kill him and take a bounty, usually initiating my dark brotherhood questline for the playthrough.
To “keep him safe” I avoid Glarthir like its a UA-cam Challenge. Jumping bridges, “climbing” buildings etc. Anything to get away from that Woodelf.
I never noticed the fact that Glarthir actually followed you around before he says he needs to talk to you. lol
A question about this quest that is always bothers me - from where does Glarthir have so much money? Like average salary of common cityzen of the Empire is about 5 gold per day and Glarthir grants you 200 coins, 1000 coins, and ever after that he still hold 800 gold in one of baskets in his house and who knows how more anywhere else, his house seems pretty higher-class too, how he could afford all of that if he is just some insane townfolk? He was some of the higher class once, or was he some kind of criminal? I would believe that Toutius MIGHT be cool against Glarthir, David and Bernadette is pretty sussy, like why does David mobilises to kill Glarthir as soon as you show him a note? He needed a reason to do it? And also, from who does Dion knew we were asking about Glarthir? Is there really some people concerned about us asking about him? But who could it be? Bernadette? It is possible, because he arrive only after we spy on her, or is there someone else? I think the reason they are against him is his riches for Bernadette, she seems pretty poor, she could break into his house aome night and steal some for herself, and David... I dunno, he might have a reason, maybe they have some conflicts, maybe Glarthir somehow affected him if he really was criminal back at the days. That is a thought that I always had
Glarthir is a Bosmer! He could actually be fairly old, perhaps? With his life span he would have more of an opportunity to accumulate money. He's dressed well, has a fancy house, perhaps his parents could have been from Valenwood & had some cash?
interesting nice comment
One thing Glathir kind of got right in his paranoia is that one of the notes he has in his basement you can read he mentions the Mystic Dawn could be behind stuff, lol.
Underrated youtuber
Someone else said it best but it’s a tragic self-fulfilling prophecy. Glarthir believed he was being watched and, in a way, this became true as more and more of society noticed him and his insanity.
I think it would have been funny if, the people glarthir tell you so watch turned out to be mythic dawn agents, or at least one of them.
If he had that reaction to Davide Surille, how would he pop his lid over Maven?
What I always did was just stick around the Church wait and tell him that they're spying on him get his higher payment for the third one and then decline killing them then tell the guard and they deal with him before he can kill any of them. Get the gold no one innocent dies and he gets dealt with and the Guards will never know the wiser. It's unfortunate that different cities in Oblivion don't have a grave site with a funny note on the character.
Just as i thought Just as i THOUGHT!
you better WATCH OUT!
Now i wish Shivering Isles had special dialogue/choices for if you are Sheogorath when talking to Glarthir
Would have loved to have had a peaceful solution that ends up with him in the Shivering Isles
I'd say that you finding nothing suspicious and him still turning to murderous rage is pretty indicative of him being just paranoid.
Glarthir also dropped a fire mix tape
When i followed bernadette there was a dude who kept following her around while sneaking and she kept telling him to stop touching her it was very weird
I always liked this quest. I liked letting him try to kill them and letting the guards take care of him.
Psst, over here... we can't talk here... Bernadette Peneles, 6am. Don't be late.
Love this mission
For any Italian reading: thumbs up for Glarthir going "coincidence? I dont believe so". I always know Adam Kadmon was a freebooter
I really really wish there was a good ending to this quest. Unlucky
Me too!
Really only choice seems to be to avoid him and hope the oblivion crisis ending mellows him out.
Alternative title: Local concerned man hires PI to do a welfarecheck on his dear acquaintances
That’s a pretty accurate description 👌😂
I actually just did the quest today and put the grey fox’s mask on and had a normal guard chase me around the city for about a whole day thinking I did something bad I ran away until eventually it snapped onto Dion and back to a normal guard then like nothing happened the guard walked away😅😂
Title and character made me laugh haha
A vmapir bite can also trigger paranoia.
Train restoration to max an get heal other spells. Do the Glarthir quest, lie to him but refuse to kill the people for him. Follow Glarthir while he goes on his rampage, heal him while he fights the guards. Best ending. When all the guards are dead, and his victims are dead, he will patrol the streets, carrying his axe while mumbling crazy talk.
#JusticeForGlarthir
My guy had it ROUGH out in Skingrad
And with all that paranoia, he didnt notice, or didnt seem to care that theres a necrophiliac in town. And a haunted house filled with Zombies. And a vampire count. And the grey lady.
Glarthir isn't the sort to kink shame. He knows how to mind his own business as long as other people are willing to return the favor.
@@YouthRightsRadical interesting. What kind of a story are we about to hear now?
@@captainobvious5177 I don't understand your question.
To be fair, never followed this quest(thou seemed like could be interesting), never checked walkthrough (too lazy for this one), but well, nice to know the result 😅
It and Mazoga the Orc are best side quests in the game. Well rescuing Dar-Ma from Hackdirt too.
The voice actor for the male elves was underpaid, regardless how much he made
Honestly, despite the fact that there are a lot of awkward line reads and situations in the game due to the radiant AI conversations the NPCs do, the actors were all doing a pretty damn good job considering they each did like 5,000 lines of dialogue or something insane like that.
one thing that actually bothered me is that you can't talk Glarthir down from killing the "Suspicious" people when you report them as such. I remember thinking
"If we kill these people, would the "conspiracy" now know that you know about them? From Glarthir's perspective, wouldn't that invite retailiation."
Idk i think im over thinking the quest lmao
You aren't overthinking it, but not being able to talk him down is by design, and a good choice in my opinion. It helps in demonstrating the message that paranoia fuels itself rather well. That all information and evidence, including a lack of evidence, can be manipulated and contorted in favour of deepening the paranoia. Even to the extent of preventing rational thought!
@@Bellicosy You know, that's an excellent way of putting it! Sometimes things are designed very intentionally, and not having something is likely actually a good thing!
@@reptile5167 Thanks, if you have ever had the pleasure of considering some creative endeavour, notably writing and film production, you'll come across the "less is more" maxim - and why film directors demand full creative control. Hundreds of voices constantly tugging in every direction can ruin the creative vision. Just generally bloating the whole thing makes it less beautiful sometimes! So maybe now you'll notice a little more when less is better. It's the reason why I find early access games amusing sometimes. People with little experience in game direction (like me) will give well-meaning and honest suggestions or improvements, which are all a variation of "it would be cool to add this." The game developer might sometimes be better off ignoring them all, and just removing things instead!
The resident eccentric.
Ain't the cops literally stalking this guy?
It's just like how a lot of schizoprhenics think someone is after them.
The guard *literally* is trying to keep an eye on this guy.
You mean to tell me he doesn't IMMEDIATELY run at you and go "I NEED YOUR HELP"???
The sub count vs many of the view counts for the videos is somewhat baffling.
Ayoo toutious sextius is an actual npc.
In all seriousness, the first time I played this game and encountered him I figured I was gonna get the gwack gwack 3000
Yeah I feel you I had no idea what to expect when he kept harassing me the first time 😂
I completely believed him. There's no way he was wrong.
Young scrolls.