REACTING to the New Fighter for D&D 2024
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List of changes:
I don’t have exact levels on everything. Assume that the lower a feature appears on the list, the later it will be unlocked in the class/subclass.
Fighter Class:
- Weapon Masteries added.
- Gain more uses of Second Wind as you level up.
- Spend a Second Wind to add a die to ability checks.
- Move up to half your movement speed when you use Second Wind to heal in combat.
- Fighters can use the Push, Sap or Slow weapon mastery on their weapons, regardless of what Mastery property their weapon normally has.
- Fighters gain advantage on the next attack roll when they miss.
- Epic Boon
Battle master:
- Additional Skill / Tool proficiency
- Several Maneuvers added from Tasha’s.
- Revamped Know Your Enemy to reveal damage vulnerabilities, resistances, and immunities.
Champion:
- Move up to half speed on a Critical hit w/o provoking opportunity attacks.
- Gain a heroic advantage (free die reroll) each turn in combat if you do not have one.
- Advantage on Death Saving Throws and Critical Saves expanded to 18-20.
Eldritch Knight:
- No longer limited to Evocation and Abjuration magic when selecting spells.
- Sacrifice one attack to cast a cantrip in its place.
- Sacrifice 2 attacks to cast a 1st or 2nd level spell in its place.
Psi Warrior:
- Apparently kept the same with slight rewording. They didn’t really talk about it, but its the Jedi subclass, nuff said.
I did a bit of a oneshot playtest with these changes, the champion in my game nat 20'd, and disengaged from two slimes which were about to kill him, I *Love* finally getting something on a crit for champion
EK: can now use a focus (probably their bonded weapons)
I'm mad that bladesinger isn't in the new PHB but I'm really happy to see the eldritch knight getting the bladesingers 6th lvl feature
Champion's new meme is "Captain America's, 'I can do this all day' while looking beat to shit."
That or a broken Yoyo that just won't quit.
1:00:00 Yes you can.
You can't take the magic action with action surge.
But with the eldritch knight, you're not taking the magic action, you're taking the attack action and casting a spell with it.
Mean yes, you can bonk, cast a 2nd lvl spell, action surge, bonk, and cast another 2nd level spell
To further this you can also replace that attack with a Cantrip so you can.
Cantrip---> LvL 2 spell ---> Surge ---> Cantrip---> LvL 2 spell
Interesting. I don't know the exact final wording, it'll be interesting to see if you can in fact do that
It's late enough in the fighter levels that you can't just dip to get it and they are the only ones that can and even then it's only with Level 2 spells and lower so no fireballs but still some fun
I'd home brew and nix the lvl 2 spell slot ceiling personally. End game should feel end game and they don't get that many higher slots anyways. Blow your load fighter
@PrimusxPilus Plus, they're only 3rd caster, so their highest spell slot is what 3rd at level 18
The main thing to take away from the Psi Warrior, besides that its awesome, is that it is the Jedi/Sith of D&D.
I've played an Eldritch Knight a few times. Each time I used the homebrew rules we made for it, which happen to be the exact changes they made to the subclass
Yeah finally we can do a Death Knight fighter properly. Use all necromancy spells instead of saving up for just the one in animate dead.
Post Level 20 play was in the 2014 DMG. At the time, every 30k XP past Level 20 would give an Epic Boon, but it was presented as a variant rule that DMs could optionally run if the plain Level 20 cap got boring.
I love how Eldritch Knight can still cast two leveled a turn even if it only level 1 and 2 spells.
They can cast 4 if the other 2 are cantrips
New EK can swap out 1 attack for a cantrip once per turn
Can swap out 2 attacks for level 2 spell once per turn
Remember at level 11 they get a third attack, so by level 14 when they get this they can cast 6 spells technically (Action surrgge)
Was hoping they’d port that Bladesinger feature, EK’s current war magic is so underwhelming.
Early comment, I might find something else I want to say later, but WHOAA!! This was NOT the time and place to spring the changes to Surprise!! It needed its own small interview, because now they have to defend a change that affects encounters after the surprise round ended! With this, the party is "surprised" to some extent throughout the whole fight!
I'm quite surprised you didn't know what Tashas Cauldron does for the game. It fixes so many problems while also adding a bunch of new stuff that is pretty much unanimously praised. It effectively became an essential to have right away on the same level as the PHB.
That book did so much for 5e. There's a bunch of classes I never thought of playing before but I don't think there's really any subclass I don't like in Tasha's.
That's not the right way to think about this, the way to think about this is *Most players* haven't used Tashas, they will see all this stuff in the new PHB as brand new, and overall this is so healthy for the game
Check out Tasha's. Apparently, it's basically the same. (Like when they freed bladesinger from Sword Coast Adventurers Guide)
I love the new eldritch knight!!! If i cant put it now, i'll make a new one from lvl 1
Idk, seeing that the abilities are now not only labeled with their most commonly used attribute (like in roll20), but rather directly below it is crazy to me. In the PHB it specifically says the attribute used can vary depending on the situation. Like you can make a medicine check with intelligence, or deception with wisdom. Because you can remember how a medical procedure works, or can be smart about how to deceive someone.
My real and most important question is will the Eldritch Knight still have a spell progression that sucks absolute butt, or will it be able to cast 3rd level spells earlier than like 13th level. At least make the magic part better and more accessible.
Eldritch knights using an cantrip in exchsnge of an attack isnt new, thats part of the wizard bladesinger, eich isnt a glass canon, can have like 32 AC easily and hit really hard and still being a fullcaster wizard
Seems they are talking in the concept similar to odyssey of the dragonlord
When i get around to playing 2024 fighter (itll be a while cos i rarely get to play, i usually end up being DM at my table) im definitely gonna be adding the word tactical to everything. We need a tactical long rest. Im going to the inn to have a tactical beer. Im visiting a brothel for a tactical...you get the idea. Whatever i do, it will be tactical
So you'd be going to the broth-.. eh patronage house for tactical reprieve to tactically support those ladies with your tactical patronage in the hope that your tactically spend coin can tactically contribute to them building a better life for themselves? 😉😘😅🤣
@@woutvanostaden1299 precisely haha
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the nice thing as a DM with all of this, I don't have to use or allow any of it.
10:23 So is this "Continue to gain power beyond the level cap" thing only for fighters, or do ALL characters benefit from it?
10:34 Ah, reacted too soon.
I'm way more excited for DC20 🎉
I stole the surprise rule so fast lol
So they buffed players, did they also buffed enemies too ?
But wait, THERE'S MORE
Make a champion fighter, give him unarmed fighting style, name him Forge Gorman.
1:00:12 do not listen to that guy, hes wrong
Making it too complex. Ok for the young of brain I suppose 😢. PS I agree, who gets to level 19 or above?
I like these changes for the Fighter but it's not gonna close the gap on casters.
Gap is objectively closer, since casters got way fewer buffs
Multiclassing eldritch knight with order (life cleric isn't shabby either tho) cleric (11/9) looks interesting. With healing covering a big gap in ek capabilities and spirit guardians being quite good for melee martials. I quite like the idea of manipulating them inside your spirit guardians with a combination of cantrips (green flame blade/booming blade, weapon mastery properties and our breathweapon if we play as a dragonborn.
Let's see how .ong it'll be until they will focus fire you. Order is awesome with how you can confuse them by adding more attacks from your allies when they focus fire you. I do think that with the new changes to druid a small dip to get chalice from stars druid, we can be even more resilient. By also healing ourselves a bit each time we heal an ally making their focus fire on you less effective.
Other multiclass consideration include moon druid, wizard, warlock (I'm partial to celestial), barbarian or rogue. (Ranger lost most of it's appeal and some of the others haven't been revealed yet or are a bit too mad. I am looking at you paladin. 😢 Hmm 🤔 a paladin with an ek dip for cantrip smites does sound tasty tho)
Is this still 5e
Hello
Well surprise free turn, gone. Why? Isn't surprising you opponent's shouldn't be strong, actually. I mean it's the point it should be strong, because it's how it works. Feels really bad for me.
Lets move down awesome fighter abiloties from 10 to 7. But fir the ranger. Move up essential abilities from 10 to 14. Everything good on other classes makes me realoze even more how badly they ruined rangers.
10:30 So...
They remembered the Epic Level Handbook from 3.x existed, and we're suppose to be impressed by that? A book they made for a previous edition...
...that they did...
...this is so lazy.
Infact, the whole Fighter is basically revamping the Fighter into its 3.5 version... which would be good, because building to dish out 230 points of damage across 4 attacks definitely keeps the classic Martial class viable...
...Im sure they'll screw it up, somehow...this is WotC after all...
17:12 So...
The complete opposite of the 3.5 Fighter, where the Battlemaster was essentially all the MARTIAL FEAT'S you could pick every 2-odd levels...
By the Progenitor Dragons...they can't even fake it well!
It's not even from 3.5. It was literally in DMG (though you needed 30k Exp to get an Epic Boom, not 20k).
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Making sure no one says “Fifth”.
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Ok, 1st of all, you ssying you dont even know the classes very well says a lot ablut how you managed the memes, dont get me wrong, i like your content, but beyond the memes:
Fighters in 2014 phb are awesome
They arent 'basic', they are so used because no matter whst kind of warrior, swordsman, archer or wsthever you imagine, you can play that using a fighter with the right subclsss for the job
They arent dumbn or 'basic', they are so used because they are actually so dynamic and creative to ise, and no, they arent boring, if you olay boring fighters that is uo to you as a player, that goes for every class, the how interesting a character is depends of the game, player and campaing, not the class itself (neither race or background)
You can play as any kind of warrior, even magical warriors, or samurais, or colosal strong fighters, or dualwirldings, or archers, a crossbow vanhellsing machingun eho hunt creatures, whatecer you csn imagine that isnt full caster, the fighter has it
So yeah... is not 'basic', is dynamic
It just 'noob friendly', but still is really creative
Also hearing you say that you didnt even know how spells actually work on phb 2014 is even more shocking because you didnt even can actually compare then. And on other stuff too
For example: the ambush enemies was not "making trivial a fight"... if a party get prepared, get stealthy and ambush enemies, is not making trivial the encounter... they do get serious enough to ambush the enemies and get the turn with enemies surprised so they lost their turn on that 1st round, but niw if you surprise enemies and they roll higher than the party, it would means that all the preparation, all the stealth, everything, means nothing because now it all depends of a single roll, so all the get sneaky, the preparation, the spells wasted on the ambush, it would mean nothing because it all depends of 'rolling higher' because if they roll higher, they still attack you, or even if roll lower, it means nlthing because they still attack you, they arent shocked and just enemies appearing from nowhere attacking you does nothing
(The feat Alert does nothing now, just nullifies disadvantage)
You maybe not see it since as you said: you didnt actually know very well the rules and classes, but they aren actually buffing martial classes, they are nerfing them, hardly... they did fix some stuff, but for every buff they nerf 2 or 3 things of such class
“Yeah but they are wrong” I am sorry to say this but I myself don’t have an interest in battle master
"Being able to hit once per turn is insane" - Every wizard everywhere casting A.O.E spells that are half or full damage
I imagen an eldritch knight 11/wizard 9 using a graze weapon on steel wind strike wil be having quite a bit of fun. 😮😊
Yes, but martial classes don't typically get that kind of option. And with a Fighter's consistent single target damage, this is big for them.
@@nojusticenetwork9309 this big win is a once per rest decision to hit that is literally dwarfed by every damage cantrip which have unlimited use. Fighter is the new worst class in the game for melee. Ranged stealth fighter is the only one that can keep up damage per round. It's literally so cringe that the best fighter is a multiclassed wizard or a ranger.
@CalebGrizmode umm this new option is once per turn, and how did all these buffs turn into new worst Melee class?
Tasha's Cauldron 2: Electric Bugaloo
Not because of one subclass. It's what I call the Seal Team Six playstyle. Surprise was so powerful, many parties built their teams to take advantage (PUN definitely INTENDED) of immobilizing their opponents for the first round of combat. Pass without Trace, gloomstalkers, expertise in stealth, dex fighters, etc. The problem isn't getting surprise once in a while, it's building your characters to ALWAYS get surprise. So they nerfed it. Now getting surprise just means the enemy gets disadvantage on their initiative rolls. So everyone gets to go in round one, the surprised just go last (on average).
Haggling over surprise also seems really common and annoying.
This post 20 epic boon thing is something I implemented for my homebrew game years ago!
How did it work out?
How did it work out?
I don’t mind at all that they kept Battlemaster it’s own class, especially since the other ones seem buffed up.
Really gives it its unique identity.
Also, Eldritch Knight sounds waaaay more fun 😈
~_~
Bladesinger isn't in the PHB, my new bladesinger is the Eldritch knight, not as OP, but I think I like it more somehow
@@nyanbrox5418If you want to play a Bladesinger, you still can.the 2024 Rulebooks are not meant to a replacement, so any class or subclass not included is still playable as is.
@RawwkinGrimmie64 oh believe me I know, I have just played enough bladesingers already, now I am ready to play literally all of the 2024 PHB subclasses instead
Eldritch knight
Spell sniper, take eldritch blast.
Trade every attack for eldritch blast.
Profit
Stonks
You can only trade one attack for a cantrip, but it's a good thought lol
@unholyxeras8182
Hey he said replace one of your attacks, not only one 😆
Means your spellcasting stat and blast stat are mismatched but it could work
@@PrimusxPilus its only one attack per attack action, as per Bladesinger extra attack
I believe Eldritch Knight always had access to fireball. I think they got abjuration and evocation, while Arcane Trickster got enchantment and illusion. These made sense, but really getting any school of magic also makes sense. It just seemed like these would be the schools to help those classes the most.
Yeah, EK can cast fireball. But they could before. But now they can cast Haste or Invisiblity or Mirror Image. As an Eldritch Knight, I always wanted the flexibility of transmutation spells but never could. (Also not much abjuration spells besides Shield and counterspell)
You actually could, but only one non-abjuration/evocation spell per spell level you had unlocked, pointlessly restrictive imo
A lot of the restrictive rules have been done away with and now it's easily 1 of the more interesting subclasses. We can consider multiclassing dips in wizard, (maybe a bit harder to manage the stats) warlock or moon druid.
As for psi knight or battle master I think we could look at moon druid or world tree barbarian. (Although this is maybe best as just a fighter dip, due to the higher lvl at which the barbs interesting features come)
There are so many good spells we could take, from web, vortex warp, shadow blade, blink, haste, wither and bloom (it's the multi use in 1 spell with healing included that does it for me), ashardalons stride, if we dip life cleric or stars druid chalice form even some low lvl healing spells start looking interesting.
Indeed. You had to choose carefully. Now you can just choose all the transmutation and necromancy spells you want. Also whatever is cool in other schools.
Being able to forfeit an attack to cast a melee attacking cantrip like Booming Blade or Green Flame Blade makes those spells even more powerful for the Eldritch Knight. Now they essentially have a ready to use bonus action for Second Wind or any other bonus action available to them for no cost to their attacks!
And EK no longer feels like a poor msns Bladesinger
The fun thing is we can add weapon mastery on top of the attack cantrip, so for example combine booming blade with topple and when they are prone they now have disadvantage on their attack when you move onto the next or graze (and/or push for herding foes) when using green flame blade should be very useful to afterall they only work well if you hit or if they are close together. Topple on ranged weapons and a fire bolt/eldritch blast cantrip will also be a good way to infuriate them.
I think that dragonborns will make for really solid eldritch knights, since an AOE breathweapon adds a bit more to something already pretty tactically dense. 🤣😁😆🤑😈
They should really call it 5.2
Combat, combat, combat.
Nothing for social or exploration. Just more overpowered combat. And notjing to reduce the fundamental issues of 5e.
Garbage.
0:30 "The Fighter and I think the Ranger, they are sort of neck in neck in just the number of brand-new features that they get in this book."
Didn't the Ranger only get 4 new features, all of which are just Hunter's Mark? T_T
Not sure I like the new surprise. Yes the current one is OP, it needs fixing. But giving surprised ones disadvantage highly increases the chance of every ally and every opponent being clumped in the initiative order. Which will make fights way more swingy. Now this could be great. But I usually like for there to be more back and forth between DM and players.
EK is a W for me it is my proper class fantasy that i like
2 minutes of this would have completely changed my opinion of yesterdays reveal
the ability described at 7:20, where they gain advantage on the next attack when they miss, gives me real Iron Man civil war vibes when he had Friday analyze Captain America's fighting style to counteract it, and I LOVE IT
you didn't know about Epic Boons? they are so much fun, i made the final BBEG of a homebrew campaign with 14 of the epic boons. speed +30ft, recovery +½ you max hp, truesight, so many fun bonuses.
Hey for those of you who are saying that this new players handbook 2024 is nothing more than the player's handbook 2014 plus tasha's, understand that some of us don't have Tasha's or zanders or mordern or any of those other books some of us just had the player's handbook and have been adding the few tweaks that they've added along the way manually. So this new book is for us a complete update where it is exactly the same but better.
'Fighter' doesn't necessarily imply combat, fighting with words is more common
Why would I want to play 5e version of Fighter, 2014 or 2025¿
We could have had maneuvers in the base fighter class??! I wanted that 😢
Sometimes, simplicity is desired
@@brilobox2 true, but it would have been cool
Yes adding maneuvers to the base class would have been soo COOL! Psi-knight or eldritch knight getting to add maneuvers, on top of weapon masteries on top of booming blade, green flame blade or psi knight features, on top your beathweapon if you're playing as a dragonborn. I'd play that in a heartbeat. 🎉😂😊😂🎉
@@woutvanostaden1299 Indeed. Its not that you would be playing battle Master, you would still be a different subclass. Eldritch Knight with battle Master stuff would be awesome.
I think the reason they gave about not giving maneuvers to the base fighter class is one of the dumbest thing I have ever heard. To make it less complex, you give the base fighter class 2 superiority die and basic maneuvers, like 2 options. Then to give more complexity to battle masters, you give them all the rest of those maneuvers, and more OR update that subclass. Their decision on this is, once again: one of the dumbest things I have ever heard... in DnD.
That's terrible reasoning, picking 2 maneuvers has 90% of the complexity of choosing 4, because you still have to look through all the options
@@Flaraen Read more careful - there are 2 lists, basic for class and an additional advanced for battlemaster. So basic can be like up to 5 (like fighting styles, the ones simple to use) and more complex in battlemaster
Well I'd be all for making things more complex and fold/add battle master to the base class, so we can add a different subclass to get 4, either echo knight for simplicity (🤣🤣🤣) or rune knight (I'm salivating on this combo), also most other subclasses will be less boring with this. With a dragonborn eldritch knight combining booming blade/green flame blade/sword burst, with weapon masteries, with maneuvers on top of spells and a breathweapon (as long as the breathweapon does in total more damage than a normal weapon attack {and the chances for that go up the more foes it effects} it'll be worth it. With the extra options from maneuvers and weapon mastery properties, the chance to effect enough foes also increases), now I would be very tempted to also add order (life is solid too) cleric 6 and stars druid 3 to round out things even more and really make a team/frustrate the foes/DM. 😅😂😊
Wizard or warlock can be a good multiclass combo here too.😊
I’m confused is there a 6e I don’t know about
They're updating the core rules for 5e under the name Onednd, but its essentially 5.5e.
@@LouieWebb560 so I have to buy a new book.. great
@@Idiotic_toaster apparently WOTC is trying to make it backwards compatible? Although so far it doesn't look like it'll be easy to do.
@@Idiotic_toaster damn, a new book after just 10 years. What a scam.
@@pixal1250 pretty easy for the most part. If a thing in PHB 2024 is named the same thing as a thing in an older book, PHB 2024 version replaces it. You probably will never want to play an older version of a class thats printed in PHB 2024. Theres also a section that details how to convert certain edge cases to work in the 2024 rule environment.
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@@almondsai7214no.
so.. if we have like.. 3rd party character options... its not compatible with 2024 stuff?
most 3rd party is either broken as a class or breaks the game, so yes none of the 3rd party is going to work unless you give up great things from the base class now
@@grognackthegrognardianbarb7883 Look.. just cause the world has trash.. doesn't mean the world is trash. Thats a pretty big jump of logic ya doing here.
Obviously when we talk of 3rd party content.. we mean the good stuff.
@@ChiyuriYami You seem to misunderstand, 3rd party is judged by the worst not the best, as that is what will be seen by DM's and for the most part is why we as DM's ban it, as players will do whatever it takes to play thier homebrew cesspit of trash
@@grognackthegrognardianbarb7883 You speak as if you can voice for all DM and yet you are also talking to a DM. This is not supposed to be a DM vs player situation -.-
just go watch some Nat19. it will broaden your horizon.
I won't deny you that there is plenty of trash out there. It however does not devalue the actually good stuff that is out there. You seem have had some pretty negative experience with non-WOTC content.. I don't even trust WOTC to make balanced content either (looking at you Peace domain...) Just keep your horizon less close and learn to tell appart bad stuff from good stuff, instead of closing yourself to all of it.
Well that is my peice. I doubt we'll come to an agreement so this is it for my involvement in this argument. Whenever you respond or not, I'm gone.
@@ChiyuriYami To be fair there is third party to multiple other games that has always been good, or mostly been good, but dnd has pretty much been a problematic mess since 3.0.
Your right that we won't ever agree about 5.0, as its just been too much bad to early to often to allowed, and as to me talking for all DM's its not so much talking about all DM's just the ones I know we have a consensus and its there for a reason
Spellcasters are still going to just be so far beyond. These abilities are good for fighters but just not enough to bridge the gap
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