WTF Happened to Lancia?
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- Опубліковано 7 лип 2021
- The word 'Lancia' in the automotive world brings up an array of different emotions. On one hand, they're known for falling apart and rusting away. But they've also been known for their incredible cars and nigh-on impeccable record in rallying. Today however, they sell only one car and are hardly seen outside of Italy. What the hell happened to them?
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To be fair, the phrase "Italy ran through Prime Ministers like Mustangs do people" could apply to literally any period in modern Italian history
Fr.
Ye can confirm
No lies detected
Or any country in the western world
Or greek tbh
“Once the World Cup ended”
Josh: *shows a picture of the war*
"During the war."
Seems about right
I don't see a problem
It is sofa king funny
After seeing fans of euro 2021 I don't see the difference
In Motorsport Lancia's partnership with Martini Racing is absolutely golden.
Formula 1 had the JPS Lotus
Sportscar racing had the Rothmans Porsche
Rallying had the Martini Lancia
@@alc-d4163 yep, but both Rothmans and Martini Racing also came in Formula One, and JPS came in some Touring Car races.
I think Martini Lancia is the best of them all, but Marlboro Mclaren must be mentioned to. (Gulf doesn't count)
@@alc-d4163 could be that I’m weird but whenever I think of Rothmans in motor racing, I think of Williams. For me, Gulf-Porsche is the more iconic Le Mans duo. But for rallying it will always be Lancia-Martini or Subaru-555.
Martini racing is just recognizeable thing
The Delta s4 was a group B car, whose accident with Toivonen driving in the Tour de Corse caused the death of the group B regulation. The Delta HF integrale was the group A car that was so dominant in the late 80s and early 90s.
Yeah I was literally about to mention that aswell. There also seems to be a few more errors in the video that made it seem poorly researched
Yeah im very surprised that he made such an obvious error in making this video. The delta s4 was not a group A car
As soon as I heard this I know then this guy did not have a clue. To be fear he said in the video he did not know about cars himself. Odd choice of video subject then. And quiet a few errors on the Stratos also.
The S4 was introduced into rallying in year 1985 if I am not mistaken
@@scordatura9259 I'd like to se how you would figuratively mention that.
Old Top Gear was a golden era.
It truly was. But The Grand Tour could still be called a silver era. Meanwhile, the New Top Gear, just like most things in the Brexit era, is simply shitty...
@@Americo42 anything with that trio is going to be amazing in my opinion, id watch an hour long show of the three of them just having lunch lol
@@umungus518 I would agree because they will probably somehow explod
@@umungus518 last season with Joey... Uh, Matt LeBlanc was pretty good I thought. He and Harris seemed to genuinely have a good time on camera.
Nice profile pic man. Also yes.
I'll always remember Lancia primarily for the fact that the Delta Integrale was one of two WRC cars chosen to be in the greatest arcade racer ever, Sega Rally Championship 1995.
a man of culture I see
Checkpoint!
I played that game a lot in birthday parties when I was like 8, I always chose the lancia because it said Martini and my name is Martín
I feel like "arcade" is sort of an insult when we talk about racing games
@@hrsmp dude I have played them Daytonas,wangan midnight and other Japanese arcade racing games in my childhood, seen and met good people too. racing games are racing games regardless
"Lancias only came in 2 colours. Red and rust"
Rust...is red.
@@lovelessissimo bro.....🤣
Top gear's analogy is this, "stephen Hawkins is a great bloke even though a lot of him doesn't work"
The s4 was a group B rally car not a group A. It was released in 1985 mid season and it was the last group B Lancia. In 1987 the delta integrale was released. So the integrale was it's first and only group A car.
Yeah I think he sort of merged the two together - Lancia lost the 1986 WRC championship to Peugeot and the S4 never won a championship.
@@jamwil200 i reckon your right about what he did, but I'm not Shure it make a lot of sense. the delta is a totally custom silhouette racer with zero part shared with the normal delta. the group A Lancia's were very similar to the already extant 4wd deltas with the addition of a few small items and tweaks.
Fun fact they went called the integrale until the 88 season before that in 87 they were the 4wd HF (there are slight differences in the cars with the intergrale version not showing up till the third round in Portugal.)
@@jamwil200 Yeah but the S4 was still the fastest group b lancia. It could challange the Peugeot but after Henri Toivonen died in Corsica Markku Alén was the leading the championship with Lancia. And Alén "won" the championship. But he found out just over week later that he had lost the championship to Juha Kankkunen because the sanremo rally was not counted as a official wrc rally championship event because the Peugeot's were disqualified for almost no reason. Alén lost lots of points because he had won the rally so Kankkunen with his peugeot won the championship. Mayby Toivonen could have one the Peugeot's because he was fighting for the campionship from the beginning of the season after winning some rallies in 1986.
@@pmracing4207 Yeah I wasn't saying it wasn't fast, but fast doesn't always mean winning in rallying. There is a lot of luck involved. I agree he issue of the skirts on Sanremo was a massive farce
"Drivers such as Walter Rörhl"
*Shows the picture of Markku Alen
So many mistakes in this video...
Was Rörhl even with Lancia at this time?
@@andymb601 he was
@@silverschannel8578 ah right I just couldn't remember the year he made the switch to Audi lmao
@@andymb601 1985 he switched to audi
“Sometimes my genius is almost frightening”- Jeremy Clarkson
As the log catapults through the rear window.
"I'm Josh Revell and this is everything you need to know to get UP TO SPEED with Lancia"
We're not complaining btw
Kinda, but I’m not complaining!
please dont start asking him to do one about his dad
"....to get up to speed on.. LAN SHAA"
I´m glad I´m not the only one whose youtuber preferences are crossing paths ^^
Praise josh for correctly pronouncing lancia and most other italian names
most english speaking people dont even try
I like how he does this with other languages as well
Yeah loved his Ypsion pronunciation
So assuming we pronounce it wrong, is it "Lan-cha" or Lan-sha"?
@@nuancedhumour the first one
7:24 that's still a group b car. Hell, lancia didn't even use the S4 for group a. They used an integrale.
Side note: The Lancia Delta S4 was the twin charged group B monster. It was the HF 4WD that was the dominant Group A variant of the car. Love Lancia, best car make ever.
Lancia and Lotus. The L's greatest exercise in squandering greatness.
Well at least lotus did pretty good with the elise and the exige
@@tungabunga4107
How did Lexus squander greatness ?
@@samueljones3668 i forgot what squander meant, my bad 💀
A moment of silence for anyone who doesn't know old Top Gear
Those people had no childhoods or indeed adulthoods
Tonight on Bottom Gear
@@Just_Tong yeah cause i am 13 and i knew that something like top gear did exist since 2019 when the forza horizon 4 came out and now i want to watch old top gear bit i don't know where and i had a childhood and i think that top gear is gold
@@wtffreak99 top gear first started in the 90's buddy
you mean, Top Gear in the 90's? or early 2000's Top Gear? ;)
The Delta S4 was gone after 1986 as it was a Group B car. In was the Integrale that took over 1987 on. You show an S4 until you say 1990 which is when you start showing the Integrale. The S4 only ran in part of 85 and 1986.
Few seem to remember their being "The maker of finest automobiles in the world" back in 50s and 60s
to be fair most of those that are supposed to remember are dead
How to correctly pronounce Lancia:
You have to say: “Lancha”
Fun fact: lancha in spanish is a boat
@@siedkk2538 in Portuguese too
@@inab9779 cool
guys its pronounced "lan-zia" and spelled "lancia"
@@scarlett5554 nope, “Lancha” is correct (I’m Italian)
6:59 Group B was never going to live past 1986, the class was planned to be replacement by Group S which was Group B but with a 300HP limit and a *lot* of makes already had cars nearing completion but Toivonen fatal crash scrapped Group S.
Are you sure about the 300bhp limit? Because the Audi RS002 prototype made over 700bhp
@@andymb601 And Lancia was developing the 600+ bhp TriFlux powered ECV...
@@DealerD8vE yes that's correct. The ECV2 as well bruh that thing is incredible
"The World Cup" is the greatest descriptor of WWII I've ever heard.
Josh Revell be like: "Lancia delta s4 is a group B car? Wololo wololo
There, now is a group A car"
The fact that Lancia's short lived return to the UK came with Chrysler badging, because somehow Chrysler was less disrespected here than Lancia, broke my heart.
A red 037 Stradale, with THAT rear spoiler, is one of my all-time dream cars!
Same, shame I’m sixteen and have no money hahaha
Yeap!!
Ypsilon is how "Y" is pronounced in Greek. (And many other languages)
Keeping in tradition with naming cars using Greek alphabet.
Alpha
Beta
Gama
Delta
Theta
Ypsilon
Etc. 😀
"it's named after a letter of the Greek alphabet to make it sound more intellectual. But they rather spoiled the effect by giving it the facial expression of a moron" - James May
@@joeogle7729 Yes they did.
However, Lancia has made more ugly looking cars than stunning ones, over the years.
Even the legendary Delta Integrale looked ugly in it's base form.
It started looking good only after body kit was slapped onto it. 😕
@@GTDpowah very controversial but I think I agree. The 037 and stratos were absolute works of art though
I really do hope that Stellantis manages to bring the name of Lancia back to the masses like it should be
Nice video. Did you know the 037 was the last rear wheel drive car to win the WRC?
I'm surprised you didn't mention that part of the reason Grp B was banned was due to Toivonen and Cresto's fatal crash in the Delta S4 in Corsica - they were far too powerful cars.
@Captain Smartass true although I meant the last championship win overal.
These days I'm deep into WRC history and this video came exactly at the right time. I also remember that Top Gear segment. It was series-long actually cause the fans voted about the company who made the most great cars. It had to be back in 05-06 I think. They too wished Lancia came back.
Delta S4 is the group B beast by Lancia. Which was banned in 1986 along every other group B car. Their first group A car was called Delta HF 4WD. Followed by various verisions of Delta Integrales.
Beautiful!
Also, Josh, it's Ip-sil-on
And really FIAT treated Lancia as a redheaded stepchild(even before the downshift to just the Ypsilon they treated it as badge-engineered hell considering their previous flagship model was a damn rebadged Chrysler 300C!)
Man, Fiat is ruining Maserati, Dodge, Lancia, Alfa Romeo and Jeep, I hope they improve
@@aureliano_37 you mean Stellantis
Dude fact check maybe next time?!
The S4 was the Group B that was cancelled after 1986.
The HF, HF Integrale 8V, HF Integrale 16V, Integrale Evo and Integrale Evo II were the Deltas that dominated from 87 till 92.
Lancia nowadays also produced 3rd gen Delta since 2008, and a 2nd gen Thema which is literally a rebadged Chrysler 300C
Another one would the original Thema that has a unique trim: 8.32 which has 2.9L V8 engine from Ferrari 308 GTS/GTB/GT4, even though the car is front wheel drive
lancia is one of my favourite brands they were sick
I love that you talk about Top Gear in past tense, even though it's still going. It really died when the 3 left though
Its because Jeremy Punched a Producer, and I dont blame Clarkson
6:56 Umm wasn't the Delta S4 for Group B? Lancia's Group A entry was with the Delta Integrale...
Strictly speaking it was initially the Delta HF 4WD in '87 and then Delta Integrale from '88 onwards but yes, definitely not the twin-charged Group B Delta S4
Yes, the Delta S4 appeared at the end of the '85 season and competed for the entirety of the '86 season before Group B was banned.
Must be a script error
Well, you're kinda wrong. The Delta S4 was a rally car developed for Group B regulations for 1986 WRC season, to try and fight the mighty Peugeot 205 T16 which won manufacturers title in 85. In 1986 tho a Portuguese driver crashed into a group of people at Rally Portugal killing I think like 3 people and in Rally Corsica one of the biggest talents of that era - Henri Toivonen driving the Delta S4 went off the road and died with his co-driver, that led to Balstre and the FIA banning the Group B and bringing existing Group A regulations to the top. Thus in 1987 Lancia came in with Delta Integrale and basically they had the best car developed which blow everyone else in the field and won manufacturers championship from 87 to 92.
I like Josh's videos a lot, but this seems like a major research oversight. I was really surprised when he skipped right over the Toivonen crash.
@@alecerdmann8505 oh yea same feeling tbh, like messing up Delta S4 with Delta Integrale and not saying anything why the Group B was banned (and its really important because one of the people that have died were driving a Lancia) ye it really surprised me too
To be even more pedantic: the S4 debuted in the 1985 RAC Rally, the last rally of the 1985 season, and, driven by Toivonen, would set a record on the speed trap there AND would win the rally, which was useless as Peugeot (might have been Audi tho I don't remember) had won the championship already, but it showed just how bonkers the S4 was.
@@doabarrellroll69 ye it was Peugeot who won manufacturers in 85 and also after some controversy at San Remo Rally 86 (dont remember the story exactly but its all on wikipedia) also won 86 manufacturers, but yea from the three cars, Quattro S1, Delta S4 and 205 Delta was the craziest, the most powerful version had around 600hp with both turbo and supercharger to minimise the turbolag installed. What an extroadinary machine.
“Once the World cup ended” Killed me 😂
Lancia, Mitsubishi, and Saab’s tragic downfalls are heartbreaking to diehard auto fans
Genius video, from a hardcore WRC fan
You have got some fact errors Josh
@ 6:40 that's Markku Alén
Cheap car challenge are some of the best bits of TV.
They LOVED the Morris Marina, and its companion Piano
"when the world cup was over"
Oh you're a dark little anzac aint ya xD
That driver in the video was Markku Alén not walter röhrl. Alén was also a rally driver for lancia.
Don't forget about a very deep sportscar effort as well. The LC2 and the Monte Carlo Gr5 cars where just as amazing in their own right.
The actual Ypsilon is the Lancia Ypsilon of 12 years ago but with some new details in the interiors or in the look and of course the FIAT 500 engines. It sells a lot beacuse is good in town and because italian car culture is dead with the 2008 crisis where italian governement decided to increase the numeber and price cars taxes (that's why in Italy cars costs more of the cars in many european states or othe states in the world) sports cars and luxury cars were penalizated and many people stopped buying new cars.
FIAT tried to bring back Lancia as a european Chrysler seller failing (they renamend the 300 as Thema, the Thema was a luxury sedan with a Ferrari engine), if someone want to task me why FIAT did that.the answer os that FIAT always has bad commercial idea.
It looks you are from Italy...one question..Why Fiat doesn't makes Punto any more?
@@maxster10 Because they are planning to make a new one with an EV version based on a Peugeot platform. The last Punto was produced from 2006 to 2018.
As an italian, I'm crying spaghetti... more or less since FIAT bought, you know, something like every car manufacturer in Italy. So, I started crying far too soon before even been born.
Damn you, FIAT.
Fiat are like Volkswagen but poor and not rich everytime they buy a car making companythey ruin it unlike Volkswagen who everytime they buy a car making company they make it better and powerful
@@Darko_Milosevski03 sad but true
Josh dude i really like your stuff and i think its great your covering Lancia but this video needs a fact check, the delta s4 is the group b car that replaced the 037 for 85 and 86. group b was cancelled in 86 after a horrific accident in an s4. the delta s4 shares nothing with the later deltas being a homologation special in every way not a suoped up version of the normal car. sorry if i'm being a minus but i think its kind of important. i hope you have a good day. and best of luck.
That rusty soviet steel did a real number on the Italian car industry.
You pronounced Lancia correctly. My father’s first job was a tool and die maker for Lancia; he worked there for 11 years before immigrating to Canada to be a tool & die maker for Ford.
You pronouncing Lancia correctly means a lot to me. Thank you.
They never won with the Delta S4 they won with the delta Integrale, Delta S4 was a Group B car
They won races with the S4. Just not a championship.
@@davids2361 Yeah my bad, should have specified that
9:05 Not only is rally a part of Lancia's identity, Lancia is also part of rally's identity. To see them return would be incredible and I hope to see it happen some day.
Thanks enjoyed that . Like so many my favourite rally cars . It would be awesome to see them return in some form .
Uploaded right after i saw the kimera at goodwood
Great vid. Thanks Josh 😁
I have Lancia Ypsilon 2005 and it is unbelivable how comfy it is for a city car...
I like this!! Not just history and random jokes about racing drivers, but cars themselves now!! The channel has come a long way, and it's so great to see ^^. Keep it up Josh
0:32 finally! That’s the correct pronunciation, thank you! 👍🏻
I really enjoyed this video. I had no idea about Lancia’s history. You should do more videos on auto history!! 🏎
What a great video loved this!
Love the giggles and the facts. Arigato Josh.
This is the first time that I heard a non italian speaker content creator say "lancia" in the correct way thanks! From all Italian speaker
yes YES i was waiting for top gear and you opened with it and now my day is made
Josh, thanks for the video, I've loved Lancia ever since I saw a Stratos at the LA international auto show in the early 70s. From an old guy in AZ usa.
mega love for your content bra ...... and all the way from Eswatini i say keep it up!!!
The S4 was a Group B car and released in 85 or 86. In 87, the Group B class was killed and WRC moved to Group A regulations thus making Lancia build the Delta Integrale which gave Lancia many wins in WRC.
It’s worth mentioning that Fiat, in their infinite wisdom, tried to sell the rebadged Chrysler 300 in Europe as the Lancia Thema. Talk about a brand identity crisis…
Yeah, that was sad. The predecessor, the Thesis, was beautiful.
@@martijnp4313 Errr the Dialogos concept car which inspired the Thesis was beautiful. I'm afraid the Thesis is a botch job in comparison.
Insurance companies warned that unless the front grill was raised out of harms way from parking dings, they'd place the production car in a higher insurance bracket than its rivals. Limp-wristed Lancia management forced the designers to comply. Not satisfied with that, internal management meddling also put paid to the svelte shoulder creases and character lines on the Dialogos, which reduced to slab-sided nothingness on the Thesis. All on the whim of the design illiterate Lancia CEO!
Tragedy.
One of my buddies drives a Lancia Delta in matte black. And honestly, it's a sexy car and drives very nice.
The S4 only competed in the ‘86 season to replace the 037 model that was, as correctly pointed out, outdated against Peugeot and Audi. Starting in 1987 with the ban of Group B, the Delta model was used instead. And it proved to be a winner. Great video.
Just some detailing:
1) LANCIA was effectively shut down by FIAT in favor of ALFA ROMEO during the early '90s, when the company decided to pursue a different brand image through racing ALFA ROMEO at the DTM, which still had a FWD but was based on a much more "sellable" platform, the Alfa Romeo 155, which was a front wheeling car on the market
2) LANCIA kept on producing low volumes car for police forces and, mainly, key figures of the Italian government
3) "Ypsilon" is the italian spelling of the letter "Y". At the time of the launch back in 2003 it was some sort of a breakout car among young females, and has been kept alive through 2020's basically just for the italian market
LANCIA, as well as ALFA ROMEO, are just proof of the very short sighted management performed by the FIAT group.
God bless Luca Cordero Di Montezemolo for saving FERRARI, otherwise it would have ended in the same bad fashion of these 2 once glorious brands
thank you for this video!
Lancia delta is our family car and so i feel somewhat honoured wity this video
Holy crap, been waiting for this for a long time.
Thank you for this insight: the fact that you know more about Lancia's racing pedigree than actual Italians like myself (yes, I admit it 😅) speaks volumes about your passion for motor sports! 🙏🇮🇹
I never heard of Lancia before the dirt rally but when I bought that delta S4, everything about rallying just clicked.
My mother had an early 80s black and gold Lancia Zagato. Still one of the most fun cars I've driven.
Delta s4 debuted in the 1985 RAC rally and ran through the 1986 group B Championship. In 1987 the Delta hf 4wd debuted in group A and then went on winning six consecutives constructors championships in its various versions.
F1 now the history of a car brand
You make such good videos ❤️
Jesus man, your video quality has skyrocketed since I started watching you, keep it going.
Funnily enough it was not TopGear which started my love for Lancia.
SEGA Rally Championship did. I think 1990s kid who loves Lancia started from that one arcade game. Got introduced by my dad who was Carlos Sainz fan during his Lancia tenure, but it was Biasion's Martini-liveried Delta that always stuck in our mind.
Lovely video, Josh!
Some stuff that you got wrong about "Warthog" Ascari's demise:
He died riding a Ferrari 750 Monza Sporstcar, not a D50. You might got confused with the crash he had during the Monaco GP, where he went to the bottom of the Mediterrenian Sea with his car! Three days later, he was in Monza and got his fatal crash.
In fact, he wasn't suppose to be there. They thought he would rest after that crash, but as he only suffered some bruises, he was in Monza watching Eugenio Castelotti driving that car. At lunchtime, he asked Ferrari to let him driving the car, he spun out and the car fell over him. The Variante Ascari was named, not only at his honor, but because it's the place of his fatal crash.
Dear Josh great ,great work BUUUT the Delta S4 was the replacement for the 037 in Group B after 1984 , the S4 raced in the 1985 and 86 seasons and in the latter a fatal accident occured to the Delta S4 driven By Henri Toivonen with Sergio Cresto at the Tour de Corse Rally stage , Balestre decided to cut off Group B in favor of Group A. So Lancia entered the Delta 4wd , then all the later models that ended with the almighty Delta Integrale of the early 90s ! :)
Really nice topic not about a driver but a brand, i liked it. Should you do this again, i would love to see it about Opel, another car maker that once stood on the top steps.
I love Lancia and I really hope the new owners bring them back from just making the Ypsilon. This was a pretty awesome video, Josh! Good job!
awesome video, would be great if Lancia could go back to rallying. A fun Lancia related fact is that Inspector Morse drove one in the books despite being more famous for driving red MK2 Jaguar in the TV films
Brilliant video. A+++++
The Grand Tour's Lancia vs Audi documentary was sooo brilliant.
Also... I'd honestly kill for a Lancia 037
Imagine if Lancia decided to enter Extreme E.
Great video man, would love a bit more rally if it's cool stories
TG's efforts to explain about Saab also hits deep.
Knowing someone who has a Saab 9-3 Viggin and prior to that a gen 1 900, Saabs were a riot of a little car. Sad to see them gone right now and suffering the same fate as Lancia where overengineering things killed themselves.
That's a great question. There are a few lancia restomods and rebirths. Like Kimera and that stratos.
I always love how Clarkson, Hammond and May do a history on either famous car manufactures, racing rivalries or even racing drivers (Jim Clark or Ayrton Senna). They are so good to watch.
YES CAR CONTENT LETS GO JOSH
The fact Josh used past tense when addressing top gear says a lot
The ‘83 WRC season is one of the best motorsports stories of all time! Looking forward to the video
Awsome video pls more stuff like this
oooh man, dead! '...like Mustangs running though people' omg, I can't stop laughing.
Would love more car videos like this
One slight mistake that I thought I should mention was that the Delta S4 ran on the RAC rally in 1985 and 1986 and then Group A took over from Group B in 87' but apart from that a brilliant video as usual Josh!
I like how you mentioned the old top gear 😄
Gotta love Jeremy, Hammond, and May those trio are legendary in the automobile community. Also while Lancia is down on the very bottom they still left behind a history with them