Back in my guiding days, I had some hunters riding with me down highway. We came upon a car that had just struck a buck. Sweet little old lady driving, car absolutely totaled. We got out to check on her and a highway dept employee had stopped and was already talking to her. We walked around in front of the car and holy god that was a giant buck laying there. Big old gnarly non typical, 26 scorable pts. Super heavy, palmated, had like 9 brow tines and an extra beam. He asked her if he could have it and she says "hell yes you can, that bastard destroyed my car!" One of my hunters offered that guy 5G's cash money and he said no. We heard later that it scored like 238". Crazy cool buck
I remember a teacher of mine in High School (early 80's) lamenting that they no longer officially taught common outdoors knowledge about 'the woods' like species of trees and what's edible and just good general survival knowledge. He taught a lot of it in his class but that's not what the class was officially about.
I have always hated the idea of deductions on non typical.also only measuring only 4circumferences per antler even if it had 7 typical points on each side.🤔
My mom shot a 13 point buck like in the late 1979's. The one and only deer she ever shot. The rack is massive but no one has ever measured it. My nephew finally got a 14 pointer a few years ago. The rack wasn't wide though so it was not measured either.
My friend has a one antlered buck on his land. It's about 2 1/2 years old right now. I think it has three points. They just leave it alone just to talk about it
Highest gross score of all time is a non-typical buck known as the Missouri Monarch. Found dead on the roadside in St. Louis county. I live my life waiting to be that lucky. Could you imagine if that walked out in front of your stand?
My scoring system is "a little bigger than the last one", of course id love to bump into a giant non-typical toad but i know its not the most likely, they dont get that big and old by being stupid.
Scoring deer antlers is no different than playing a game of pig against your buddy. You like competition and you want to beat the other guy. You can weigh an animal, measure the size of the body or measure the size of the tusks. It simply comes down to the enjoyment of competition. It’s human nature to be interested in the biggest, strongest, fastest, bestest things in their own categories.
People get so caught up in the numbers and ego that they can tear down the enjoyment that the hunter experienced. The story is always cooler to me. The best deer hunt of my life was with my best friend and he shot a doe and I shot a half-rack buck. The best turkey hunt of my life came from one of the smallest Toms I’ve ever shot. I’ve been on duck hunts where our crew killed 72 ducks in one hunt, yet the best duck hunt of my life was with my dad and we killed 5 mallards and a teal. Maybe it’s because some of the guys that I grew up hunting with are no longer alive, but I’d rather spend one more morning watching a sunrise with them than breaking any sort of record on my own.
@@jomama969 I cannot argue with anything you said. But none of what you stated is an argument against my comment. If you have ever purchased a buck tag for specifically hunting and tagging a buck, you are guilty of this idea of competitive hunting. Doe are easier to hunt and taste better on average. Most states allow multiple doe tags and only 1 or 2 buck tags. So there is no reason to hunt a buck outside of more challenging and the rack. The scoring simply adds another layer to the “competition”. But as you said not to veryone values the challenge the same and tagging a 140 buck over 5 years should be more of a reward than stumbling across a 160 inch stranger buck that wandered over on opening day
@@adamgd34 I did write that MOST states allow multiple doe tags, especially if you’re a resident. So if your state prohibits you from using your buck tag to harvest a doe, I apologize for miss speaking about your state. So my comment is for “MOST” who hunt in states that allow over-the-counter hunting of doe.
I never had scored any of my deer, but to oneself do what makes you feel good. People always dog it. We are competitive, over the 40yrs I wanted to know if i am getting good at getting to the mature bucks. Personal I’d be excited know a 6 pointer was 8 yrs old, to me that’s a trophy! Vs getter a small 8 that’s 3 yrs old. But size # is what we see on the hoof. Yeah How cool would it be to harvest 8 10 year old buck, regardless of point, I been bagged by more mature doe than bucks, just another doe thought lol😅 Have fun
These dudes have no idea what they are talking about 😂,but i still love you Joe, im from the country in Pennsylvania hunting is a religion where i come from
@@evanawesome7 I've never heard of him and saying breaking off an antler would make it score higher is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard,so no a lot of what he said was incorrect and Joe likes to think he knows about bow hunting
I have 2 pope and young’s and 1 booner whitetail ….who cares about a score in a book it’s not why I hunt and it’s not about size …. I have had some bad ass trophy hunts and I never drew my bow or picked up a gun nature is a trophy in and of itself
Okay, sorry but if you are feeding, and priming the environment for big antlers- its not the same as taking a natural buck. I'd rather take a little basket six point that I worked to get than to have some fake, "farmed" buck. Yes, you can farm without fences. Don't tell yourself that just because you don't have a high fence that the food plotting, hunting over bait and sniping are the same as hunting a true free range deer from the ground. Now cry and whine and call me names. I have 44 yrs of taking deer every year with everything from flintlock to my .308win and they are all honest, luck and hard work deer. Giant antlers aren't what they were when Milo shot his buck.
The hole in the horn book was not shot. The hole was made by a barbed wire fence. You guys need to know what you're talking about before you talk about it
And Rogan gets it wrong again... The world record is from Missouri and found dead on the tracks outside of Eureka and Pacific. It dwarfs the Ohio Hole in the horn.
The Missouri deer is slightly bigger it doesn't dwarf it in any way. Missouri deer is 333 7/8 and Hole in the Horn is 328 2/8, that's only a little over 5 inch difference.
The Missouri Monarch was found just north of downtown St Louis, close to the Columbia Bottoms Conservation area. If you’re going to act like an expert on it, at least be accurate.
Back in my guiding days, I had some hunters riding with me down highway. We came upon a car that had just struck a buck. Sweet little old lady driving, car absolutely totaled. We got out to check on her and a highway dept employee had stopped and was already talking to her. We walked around in front of the car and holy god that was a giant buck laying there. Big old gnarly non typical, 26 scorable pts. Super heavy, palmated, had like 9 brow tines and an extra beam. He asked her if he could have it and she says "hell yes you can, that bastard destroyed my car!" One of my hunters offered that guy 5G's cash money and he said no. We heard later that it scored like 238". Crazy cool buck
I remember a teacher of mine in High School (early 80's) lamenting that they no longer officially taught common outdoors knowledge about 'the woods' like species of trees and what's edible and just good general survival knowledge. He taught a lot of it in his class but that's not what the class was officially about.
I have always hated the idea of deductions on non typical.also only measuring only 4circumferences per antler even if it had 7 typical points on each side.🤔
My mom shot a 13 point buck like in the late 1979's. The one and only deer she ever shot. The rack is massive but no one has ever measured it. My nephew finally got a 14 pointer a few years ago. The rack wasn't wide though so it was not measured either.
My friend has a one antlered buck on his land. It's about 2 1/2 years old right now. I think it has three points. They just leave it alone just to talk about it
U call it a cull buck they pass bad genetics
I live ten minutes from where the hole in horn buck was found
Highest gross score of all time is a non-typical buck known as the Missouri Monarch. Found dead on the roadside in St. Louis county. I live my life waiting to be that lucky. Could you imagine if that walked out in front of your stand?
My scoring system is "a little bigger than the last one", of course id love to bump into a giant non-typical toad but i know its not the most likely, they dont get that big and old by being stupid.
Who else was reading the sub tiltes and was like wtf
Scoring deer antlers is no different than playing a game of pig against your buddy. You like competition and you want to beat the other guy. You can weigh an animal, measure the size of the body or measure the size of the tusks. It simply comes down to the enjoyment of competition. It’s human nature to be interested in the biggest, strongest, fastest, bestest things in their own categories.
People get so caught up in the numbers and ego that they can tear down the enjoyment that the hunter experienced. The story is always cooler to me. The best deer hunt of my life was with my best friend and he shot a doe and I shot a half-rack buck. The best turkey hunt of my life came from one of the smallest Toms I’ve ever shot. I’ve been on duck hunts where our crew killed 72 ducks in one hunt, yet the best duck hunt of my life was with my dad and we killed 5 mallards and a teal. Maybe it’s because some of the guys that I grew up hunting with are no longer alive, but I’d rather spend one more morning watching a sunrise with them than breaking any sort of record on my own.
@@jomama969 I cannot argue with anything you said. But none of what you stated is an argument against my comment. If you have ever purchased a buck tag for specifically hunting and tagging a buck, you are guilty of this idea of competitive hunting. Doe are easier to hunt and taste better on average. Most states allow multiple doe tags and only 1 or 2 buck tags. So there is no reason to hunt a buck outside of more challenging and the rack. The scoring simply adds another layer to the “competition”. But as you said not to veryone values the challenge the same and tagging a 140 buck over 5 years should be more of a reward than stumbling across a 160 inch stranger buck that wandered over on opening day
@@adamgd34 I did write that MOST states allow multiple doe tags, especially if you’re a resident.
So if your state prohibits you from using your buck tag to harvest a doe, I apologize for miss speaking about your state. So my comment is for “MOST” who hunt in states that allow over-the-counter hunting of doe.
I never had scored any of my deer, but to oneself do what makes you feel good. People always dog it. We are competitive, over the 40yrs I wanted to know if i am getting good at getting to the mature bucks. Personal I’d be excited know a 6 pointer was 8 yrs old, to me that’s a trophy! Vs getter a small 8 that’s 3 yrs old. But size # is what we see on the hoof. Yeah How cool would it be to harvest 8 10 year old buck, regardless of point, I been bagged by more mature doe than bucks, just another doe thought lol😅 Have fun
Missouri
I heard a guy talk about guys that name deer they’re called deer queers
These dudes have no idea what they are talking about 😂,but i still love you Joe, im from the country in Pennsylvania hunting is a religion where i come from
dawg steve rinella is a world famous hunter im pretty sure he knows what hes talking about
@@evanawesome7 I've never heard of him and saying breaking off an antler would make it score higher is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard,so no a lot of what he said was incorrect and Joe likes to think he knows about bow hunting
@@Jason-eo2vv whatever you say boss
@@evanawesome7 hey man just bc you been a carpenter for 40 years doesn't mean you know how to build a house correctly, it's not automatic 😕
@@Jason-eo2vv if theres anyone i'd trust when it comes to information on deer, its steve rinella
I have 2 pope and young’s and 1 booner whitetail ….who cares about a score in a book it’s not why I hunt and it’s not about size …. I have had some bad ass trophy hunts and I never drew my bow or picked up a gun nature is a trophy in and of itself
2023, Bruce Gardner. 223'' NewYork.
Nets are for fish
The bald dude is talking about john who faked his share of bucks
John who
John who
Steve still waiting for your documentary
On 11 -13 - 1998
Okay, sorry but if you are feeding, and priming the environment for big antlers- its not the same as taking a natural buck. I'd rather take a little basket six point that I worked to get than to have some fake, "farmed" buck. Yes, you can farm without fences. Don't tell yourself that just because you don't have a high fence that the food plotting, hunting over bait and sniping are the same as hunting a true free range deer from the ground. Now cry and whine and call me names. I have 44 yrs of taking deer every year with everything from flintlock to my .308win and they are all honest, luck and hard work deer. Giant antlers aren't what they were when Milo shot his buck.
Ohio
Personally i think its horrid. Shoot for meat, Wanna hunt horns then ya dont use meat.
Deer don’t have horns, they have antlers. Hunters eat both antlered and non antlered deer, so I’m not sure what you’re on about.
The hole in the horn book was not shot. The hole was made by a barbed wire fence. You guys need to know what you're talking about before you talk about it
And Rogan gets it wrong again... The world record is from Missouri and found dead on the tracks outside of Eureka and Pacific. It dwarfs the Ohio Hole in the horn.
The Missouri deer is slightly bigger it doesn't dwarf it in any way. Missouri deer is 333 7/8 and Hole in the Horn is 328 2/8, that's only a little over 5 inch difference.
The Missouri Monarch was found just north of downtown St Louis, close to the Columbia Bottoms Conservation area. If you’re going to act like an expert on it, at least be accurate.
@@hshcattle^THIS
@@DanielTruman-x2d How is it a totally different category? Both are non-typical found dead and only a little over 5 inch difference.
Missouri monarch 😉