Is hybrid work the new normal?
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- Опубліковано 13 тра 2024
- As the pandemic eased, you might expect employees who'd been working from home would head back to the office. But as it turns out, that never happened! Instead, a modern work style - a blend of commuting part-time and working part-time remotely from home - is becoming the new normal. Correspondent David Pogue talks with experts and technologists about who is benefitting from this new work style, and who is hurting.
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”…they remember how great it is to see their friends & colleagues…” No, ma’am. That’s corporate speak for “we’re making you come back to the office and here is the lie we want you to believe. We are doing it for you!”
Amen. I love how every media outlet is trying to normalize hybrid as a new norm after everyone went remote and loved it. Sorry corporate America, I'm not giving up my remote work.
Thank you for saying the truth out loud
I am fully work from home now and I love it. If I had to go back to the office I think I would lose my mind. I can get up 10 mins prior to clocking in, I control the amount of light in my house (I have migraines), and I don’t have to wear makeup or use gas. I can’t imagine going back to the office
You are soft!
Sounds like great benefits.
@sharinaross1865 it is. My migraines have gone down in frequency tremendously since I don't deal with the lights of the building and also don't have to smell people's perfume or cologne. When I first got sent home I hated it but now it is the best
@@eajinabi no I am lucky as hell
That’s what I thought until I had to go in three, and now five days a week with a chronic illness/disability. Yes, it’s difficult but with so many things I learned to adjust. I just hope that my older car won’t break down anytime soon. 😂
How can you expect them to return after it was proven that they didn't need the office at that building. Plus you can take a home office expense on you taxes.
Also, BIG money for the owners and shareholders of Zoom, you know, that closed shop who just surrounded Gaza!
In most situations, one has to be self-employed to be eligible for home office tax deductions.
They need management. And order. The unprofessional behavior of these people
I worked at HQ's (yes, in DC) Department of Veterans Affairs in the small business office from 2018 until I decided in 2020 that I had it with the horrible work environment. The sad thing is our supervisors HATED remote work for the staff. They were retired military (as I was an Army Officer for 26 years) and had serious control issues. My diagnosis of them was insecurity in their own "abilities." Their attitude was, you're goofing off. The unwritten rule was, if we, as supervisors, can't see you, we can't control you! In the middle of COVID, they wanted us to come back to work. This is when I gave them my two-weeks notice. NEVER regretted it for a minute.
If people have to go back to the office, employers need to pay for commuting expenses and the time needed for commuting.
That would be a hard argument. Especially if they agreed to the job before remote work happened……just saying. Might as well throw in provided lunches.
@@jimv77 Things change.
Thanks for the laugh.
@@happyyardservice2914 I have several friends who have employers who help pay for part or all of their commuting costs.
My wife's work partially did that. They are now paying for mass transit if she takes it.
Employees prefer remote. Hybrid is a compromise.
That said, I really like what the Smuckers guy did with the non-weekly schedule. That is the only hybrid model that actually allows them to hire from any geography.
Any company that calls for x days / week limits its job market to the local geography.
Factory workers, and growers of the end product don’t have a choice at Sumckers
@@patriciafeeley7997 If everyone is forced back is a worse commute for everyone.
Management and owners of commercial office buildings want it to be the new normal. For those of us who can choose to live anywhere with zero commute, remote is the future.
Building owner wants rent business bottom line is all about money landlord wants money all business
and those managers and owners are only saying this now because so many people told them to take a hike when they tried to force everyone back in the office
I worked from home three days a week before the pandemic. Because of the work I do, there's truly no need for me to be in an office setting. And I'm more productive when I'm not surrounded by the distractions of the office.
Amen
One thing people also rarely discuss is that for many for many of us office workers even before the Pandemic, we spent a lot of time in phone and video conferences and using email. Or spent a lot of non-productive time in cars, shuttles, buses, and the metro to attend meetings. We rarely had face-to-face meetings that did not include key members calling in from locations all around the city, the region or the country. This is very true of those of us working in teams and agencies that have to collaborate across the country and often internationally. Actually telework and the pandemic brought us significantly better collaboration tools. So now we can call team members across the region, East Coast, or Coast to Coast and make immediate contact view and share files that we could not do before without long delays emailing etc. The only difference between the pre-pandemic conference calls, between conference rooms and offices is that now we are calling in from our home offices.
Very true. 95% of the coworkers I "collaborate" (buzzword) with are in offices in other cities.
You can look it up, but would you believe there's an interview with Herr Goebbels, from 1934, discussing this very topic, and he says that Germany's 'economic miracle' is due to production over non production.
Learning company culture? Give me a break. Large companies don’t have a culture anymore, if they ever did. Every location is a world onto itself. The left hand never knows what the right hand is doing.
Nope employers are requiring employees go back to 5 days a week in the office, one reason and one reason only they don’t want to waste that commercial real estate leases with empty offices. Gen Z and Millennials and not going to adhere to 5 days in the office so employers are going to have to adopt if they want top talent. The old days of 5 days in the office is over, Covid killed it, old school mgmt needs to realize this.
The next thing to go will be the 5 day work week. Dear Corporate America, you made everything more and more expensive to the point that people had fewer and fewer children, and now we're looking at 15+ years of a labor shortage (and more importantly, a shortage of consumers). You did this to yourself corporate America.
@@stevechance150 the five day work week is fine no need to do aware with it.
Those days aren’t over at all.
Either clock in at least part time, or get a job elsewhere is the attitude of these businesses.
@@stevechance150 Another thing corporate America did was expect people to work 60 hour weeks in the office. How can you have kids when you're doing that?
Full remote is the way to go
And four day work weeks. Spending your entire life working doesn't get you anything. People have finally figured out that if you spend 30 years with the same company 1. You are never going to be promoted to CEO, and 2). they will stop giving you real raises because HR figures that you aren't going to leave. If you want to maximize your salary, change companies every 3 years. You'll do much better money wise.
These boomers will not allow that to happen. They want their employees to be uncomfortable.
Let’s be honest, the reason so many bosses want everyone back to work is “so we’re just going to have an empty building?”
No "it's th3 cUltuRe w3 care Ab0uT!"
@@adamp6320"collaboration" 🙄
"Promote synergies"!
They can sell their buildings.
the real reason is so that their own jobs are justified. If your job is to supervise and manage 5 people, but now those people are all supervising and managing themselves remotely and accomplishing the same thing as before, why would a company really need you. I foresee alot of middle management positions being made irrelevant in the near future, and for right reasons.
My office is remote with the managers hybrid. We have a handful of drop in desks for anyone who wants to pop in and for training new employees. We loosely monitor productivity and if someone can't account for their day they are required to work in the office for minimum 30 days. That tends to keep them motivated to be more consistent in their work while working fully remote.
People like corrupt Jamie Simon need to go away. They are soooo out of touch w the average American and are too busy focusing on old time methods of trying to increase profits at the employee’s expense.
In fall of 2020, our school district brought kids back on an every other day schedule, with only half the kids coming at a time. As a teacher, I saw (and heard) that kids LOVED it! They were so much calmer because they had a catch-up day, and when they were there they got way more teacher attention and didn't feel as exposed participating in the smaller group setting -- at most, 15 in a class at a time. When we finally went back to 100% in April of 2021, students made no bones about the fact that they were miserable, and teachers were, too. We went from 0% discipline issues to a ton of them. Students were never the same, having had a taste of how great it could be. I will add that this hybrid situation was NOT good for learning outcomes for students who struggled, but for the high-achieving and average kids it seemed to be wonderful.
Just to clarify your last comment, was it the hybrid schedule that was good for average and high-achieving students or was it the back in-person model? I suspect you are referring to the hybrid model, but having the comment placed at the end makes it slightly unclear
Kindergarten teacher here.i agree.
@@fitztastico I'm only talking about the hybrid model here. The low-achieving kids tended to not use the alternate day at home to further their learning with the assignments/practice that was provided, so it was like they were on 1/2 time and missing multiple days. The other kids loved guiding their own learning on that off day, and feeling like they could keep up with it all, plus sleep in, etc. The only time we had 100% virtual learning was spring of 2020. Then we had a virtual option in the fall of that year, but most kids came to school.
Why not make some of those unused office space to apartments or commumity spaces?
definitely in London. we need accommodations that aren't owned by billionaire russians
Right, we need more housing than we need office buildings.
100% remote
Before the pandemic, I’d only work from home once per month. And now, I work from home most of the time, like 3-5 days per week. I’m supposed to be hybrid, at least three days per week, but then I noticed most people only go to the office 1-2 days per week, so I do that. However, whenever I do go in the office, I usually leave around 2pm and work the rest of the day from home
2:09 They expect you to come back when they made the office environment even worse during COVID. You don't even get your own desk anymore, let alone a cubicle or a real office. You get to login at 6 AM to reserve your preferred hot desk. No guarantee that the people you came in to speak with are going to be there. Fewer perks like free lunches or snacks. Lugging a laptop and any other supplies back and forth.
And they wonder why ppl won't come back in.
I am in search of a work from home job as we speak. This keeps me encouraged. Thanks Sunday morning!
The hybrid is more humane. It makes no sense to sit in a cubical for 40 hours or more a week. It is better to be with the family and be at home.
My manager is cool because I don't have to switch my camera on during meetings.
Remote Work is the future.
People still going into the office 😂😂😂 Good luck 🍀 Hard pass.
Pre covid era - I dont miss the long commute or sitting in traffic at 7 pm.
Ugh....so glad I'm retired now so I don't have to put up with these mindless managers and office politics. 🙃
The pandemic made the office redundant and forced a lot of remote work technology to evolve quickly. If I can't have dedicated space and have offices that do the bare minimum in open space without privacy. If my team is 100% remote, I don't need to do my job in a place where I get less accomplished. I don't miss spending 15 dollars a day on sad desk salads. These middle managers and CEOs are having a crisis of purpose and I don't want to be indoctrinated with company "cult"ure when they can do layoffs whenever they see fit. I'm not here to open or edit pdfs, be an adult and learn.
I agree with everything, except the $15 for a sad desk salad. I take my lunch every day I'm in the office to avoid those kinds of prices.
@@kwebster62Same. I bring my lunch 99% of the days I'm in the office (which is now 5 days a week).
I've been 100% remote since 2018 and I hope I never step foot in another office for the rest of my career. I see nothing but benefits, and I feel that my coworkers are close friends despite rarely seeing them and having never even met some.
I live in a small space without a great designated work area. I have worked from home but prefer work to be work and home to be home but that's just me.
Question: anyone live only 1-3 miles from work…..and still refuse to come back into the office?
I save 250 a month in gas working from home. Plus it’s more comfortable than a corporate cube or open door office.
When I’m in the office, meetings are still with Teams even when all are in office. It’s more convenient with screen sharing vs looking over a shoulder or a large TV.
I am blue collar and work in offices on a daily basis. I start at 7am most offices I go to people shuffle in at about 8. At about 9 they are having breakfast talking about what they did last night or the game they watched. At 11:30 or 12 they leave for lunch and come back at 1. Around 2 they are up again socializing and laughing til about 2:30. Then they leave at 4 or 4:30. So how much work was really getting done at the office?
In my experience, less work is done in the office NOW compared to pre-pandemic. When I’m there, time is wasted in meetings and catching up with coworkers/gossiping.
The problem is that most people seem to choose the same days to go into the office (Tuesdays and Thursdays). At least that's been my experience, fighting for desks, meeting rooms, and parking spaces on those days. The one time I had to go in on a Friday, it was so empty and there was no traffic!
I worked from home for 3 years and enjoyed it. Now I work at different locations in the community. I would embrace a hybrid schedule if I could get that.
I live in the city and I like going to work since I am more easily distracted and get less exercise sitting at home. I don't mind hybrid since some days, especially when it rains I honestly don't want to leave my house.
I totally relate to this. I like working from home when i have work where I need to not be interrupted. I also like having a separation from work while at home.
How can you get distracted at home? You’re supposed to be working, not doing chores or watching TV. In the office, distractions are 100% unavoidable, with co-workers chatting next to you, bday parties, going to get water or bathroom is at leasta 10-min distraction when co-workers call your name while you pasa by, there’s not enough meeting rooms, so you must hear your co-workers having a meeting via Teams next to you, etc.
@balexer As an extroverted person who loves being around people, I find the solitude of working from home isolating. Unless I'm super focused, I find there's always a non-work project to do at home, and I find it difficult to concentrate. It depends on the person's personality and living circumstances. I tend to be more productive at the office, and usually, I will work in a public place instead of home because being around others makes it easier for me to focus.
@@emem2863 Yeah, it depends on the person and role in the job. Personally, I love working from home where I have a nice working station with lots of natural light and a view of the ocean, access to my kitchen for my meals, and my private bathroom. I also avoid unnecessary commute and office politics. I just wish working remote or going to the office was optional, so those who love going to the office still go without forcing us to also go.
@@sak_5 I completely agree about giving us options to work remotely.
Was at my last job in telecom for 11 years, the last 5 were completely remote until our branch was closed and layoffs ensued. The idea of schlepping to & from work was unthinkable, so I’m doing gig work until I find a new remote position.
How do you find gig work
Waiting for my chance to work remote again.
Reuse this office for social housing and bring life back to the cities
Redevelop offices as apartments and condos, to alleviate the housing shortage in cities.
Monday and Friday rush hour is so much nicer than Tues.- Thurs. these days because of all you lucky F's working from home.
If your boss is a baby boomer or an individual/ a company with obsolete beliefs about work, then working in a hybrid way is out of the question. Unsurprisingly, there are still lots of companies like that.
The boomers are exiting the workforce by 10,000 per week. The "youngest" boomers are 59, their working life is almost over. Gen Z is the smallest generation EVER. A shortage of workers has already started. Workers are going to be in high demand.
Love this, do more stories like this
Yes! Savings is the real reason for preference of Hybrid-work. Cloud-Office-Tools did enable Hybrid-work with ease as it doesn't make any sense to be in Office Premises to do the job.
We need to have 3 day weekends here in the US too! 40+ hrs is too much I say.
working from home is, and was, and is ultimate, and will be, especial for my sister, Rhea Bongabong with shearwater health
I have done remote and hybrid work since before it was even a thing here in the US. I've been fully remote 11 of the past 13 years. The other 2 years were hybrid with one being a 1 day per week remote and the other was mostly remote with 2 days in office per month. I personally like fully remote and usually only apply to those positions. I've seen much more competition since COVID for those jobs, but there are more to choose as well.
Hybrid is probably the best compromise for everyone. Managers get to see their people a few days per week and the workers can have a couple at home days. I definitely see hybrid listed more than anything in job postings now. There are still some that want people in the office for 5 days per week, and they struggle to get people. My job is done in a cubicle almost all the time, so I just laugh at companies calling me that don't at least have hybrid. All I did in an office is work on a computer using tech software for meetings. So, what was the point of going to an office? Plus, there is too many distractions with people walking around and playing music. I'm much more efficient not in an office.
I have also been blessed with companies that trust their employees and don't spy using software. That is pretty much worse than going to the office. I think we need to also cut the work week from 5 days to 4. People are more efficient with technology and just being present 5 days per week is overkill now. That seems to be the new thing I see being done at companies. Whether it takes off like remote did, only time will tell.
Full remote is far better than hybrid. As an employee, I can live anywhere in the country and move whenever and wherever I want. I have $0 commute costs and use my commute time to go to the gym and/ or get a full night’s sleep. My employer can recruit top-talent from all over the country, rather than just their local geographical location. Remote 1st companies are structured and equipped properly for remote employee engagement from the ground up. I feel more connected here than I ever did sitting alone in a cubicle at the office.
Working remote for 3.5 years now (used to work in the field and traveled a lot). I work for a great company and I know who buttered my bread.
No, we like fully remote and not hybrid
I'm so glad that covid normalized working from home. I've been remote for over 15 years and there was always this stigma around remote workers that we are less important than those in the office or that we should get less pay because we weren't part of the "inner circle" at the office. Now all of that has pretty much gone away as people realize the company actually benefits greatly from having remote staff and we get just as much, if not more, done from just being happier overall.
Happy employees high productivity and less stress during commute times i allways remember watching the jestsons george saying ahh i love these 3 day work weeks well this is the step in the right direction.
0:11 exactly “forcing”.
my company been having people work from home since 2000.
I work hybrid as well, it works so nicely
I work at SSA and starting in January 2024 , we will be going to the office 2 or 3 days a week , and telework the rest.
I skedaddled from the workplace when I was 49--I just couldn't hack it anymore -- the commute, the office politics. I would go back today in a heartbeat (not that they would have me, at my age) if I could work from home.
How old are you now? Here's the deal, the boomers are never coming back. Gen Z is the smallest generation EVER. We are at the beginning of a 15 to 20 year long shortage of workers, severe shortage! You may have more bargaining power than you realize.
I am among those who "are never coming back"--but, hypothetically, I would have come back for zoomy work (had it existed) years ago. Thanks for the comment.@@stevechance150
The reason why employers like hybrid, is because there are some employees working 2 to 3 jobs remotely.
So many of these companies saw it wasn't necessary to have workers in the office and still wanted people back! It's b.s.! 😡. You know if people are being productive and if they're not deal with THAT person...Why is it always so complicated in this country?! 🤦🏾♀️🤷🏾♀️
They do not care about employees. It is about control. Did they ask you which you prefer? No, they just tell you what to do when they make their policy. It is "my way or the highway."
..this is for office type of work. For many other jobs, like industrial facility's maintenance you have to be on site.
I am SO incredibly grateful to have transitioned to full-time WAH 👐🏾🙏🏾. My boss knows I lost no productivity and increased in fact. I don't miss the office gossip, forced parties, noise, or commute!!!
Twenty years ago management was very distrusting of workers and, in some cases, they were right -- but not others. The team I was working with in CA as Leadership, got together in person with other Leadership in Dallas, Chicago. and SC to solve issues with the combined teams. Two of the states complained that they couldn't get their people to come to work and stay there. In some offices, the work teams would circulate the boss's schedule so they could come in just before the boss's late arrival (the boss was at another site, or in meetings). If the boss left early, say at 3pm rather than 5 or 6pm, five minutes later the whole floor was evacuated with the exception of two people with production problems. They estimated that even the more dedicated workers worked only 2/3rds of what they were scheduled -- telecommuting was referred to as tele-snoring and was treated like a scam.
Work life has matured since then, but the pandemic forced the issue. The hybrid's time has come!
Yes
The losers are the younger workforce, as someone who graduated college in 2021, I need guidance and collaboration in order to learn. I honestly like hybrid because it gives me flexibility for a better work life balance (especially with a 45mjn commute) but it also ensures I’m still gaining quality experience (I’m in the architecture/construction industry).
As long as efficiency and productivity of company wouldn't be affected in negative way, new hybrid works are recommendable in many aspects. But we are more inclined to work less, to get paid more, to be loose on work, and never to get AI or any substitute to replace our jobs while to crave AI to work everything for us. Man...
A really good piece you guys did! Makes you wonder how many gallons of fuel we save in this new practice?
my company demanded workers return to the office recently. it's a joke. we're all spread out all over the country and do all of our calls and meetings online. nobody is sitting in a conference room and "white boarding" ideas. everyone is heads down, at their laptop, with headphones on. let's stop pretending like we want or even enjoy commuting to work and sitting in cubicles or work stations vs being at home. I think the return to office is because the government and big cities are worried about their transportation infrastructure and commercial real estate.
Full remote and hybrid work is here to stay
My days of commutting 5 days a weekbis over with the pandemic we shieed that the work done and even better from home...I am currently looking for me position...remote work is a priority for me!
A human-orientated approach to a worker might be the key to success for the company.
This piece is a sham. Employees do not want hybrid. They want 100% remote. Employers are the ones forcing hybrid on employees. Gotta exercise control and utilize all that office space.
Work sucks, what happened to talk about the 4 day workweek?
I love going to the office and seeing my team members. BUT, I also want the flexibility to have hybrid work - 2-3 days a week. Some days I might go ahead do all 5 days a week at busy time when collaboration time is needed. I hated 100 % remote. I am an extrovert. Sadly, my employer just came down with a total "everyone back to the office" with no exceptions... except for the fact that this is absolutely not true. There are a LOT of people that seem to have some "deal". So the policy is not being even and fairly or equitably being administered. Sadly, the majority stock holder of the company is a PEF which is run by an "old school" ( code for closed minded) old guy who is sadly out of touch, and who thinks that "Butts in seats = a lot more treats ($$$)".
I've been looking for a job for some time and all anyone talks about it remote or hybrid. I don't want to work from home.
I think you'll find if you want to be in the office 5 days a week your new employer will allow that even if they advertise being remote/hybrid
My father, a visionary, will be 80 next year, advocated for a 3 and 1/2 day work week in the 1970's... I took on board his ideas and retied at 42, even earlier than China's retirement age of 50.
Good video.
If I have to reserve a desk I ain’t coming in
I sell health insurance and I work three days a week. I LOVE it!!!!
Not every job can WFH. For those that do, enjoy.
Managers and higher are the only ones that want return...because their value is tied to their presence..they are nervous their leadership qualities which command high salaries are not as important as the past...
Looking for work from home now, commute is a little too far
As a teacher i already do hybrid…. I have togo to work for 8-9 hours a day and then I work at home on evenings and weekends just to keep up with the work load. Only i dont get paid for that. I wish I could do real hybrid work.
Real hybrid work? So what is fake hybrid work?
Why is Jamie Dimon still CEO of Chase, and not in a prison cell?
Great hybrid policies allow you to recruit out of state, improves performance, and reduces attrition
Remote work has been possible long before covid.
The reasons for demanding people who dont have a place dependant work back in the office is ridiculous.
I work remote 100% , am more productive and actually put in more work. I wont ever work in office full time ever again.
Remote, or do it yourself.
That yellow tie needs to go.
Jamie Dimon's employees use Zoom in the office because the firm can't provide enough conference rooms.
My career and life is so much better. I've done the best work of my life remote, lead advertising projects worth millions of dollars, won awards, and yes, had lunch with my kid.
In 2020 my employer let everyone work from home but I chose to continue going into the office. In the last 3-1/2 years my career has taken off and my income has skyrocketed while most of the people who went home have either left the company or are still in the same position they were in prior to the pandemic because of productivity issues while working from home. I don’t think it’s a coincidence.
Never going back to 5 days work weeks for an office job
No it's the new slick trick to get us back in for the 5 day work week.
Im not doing hybrid unless the job doubles my salary.
Your description writer is a bit ignorant and overuses the word 'modern' quite a bit.
There is something to be said about FDR's time as President. He accomplished so much in those 12 years! I didn't realize he instituted the 40 hour work week. I wonder what the work week was like before. Probably you work until your boss tells you to go home.
I'd LOVE a hybrid job.
Full remote work will lead to the job being outsourced.
Do you think this could lead to more private contractors which can lead to less benefits for the individual and more pressure on the government to supply the benefits. Also with the invention of AI a possible half job loss.Scary future!
😆funny to have those comparisons. I don't have a family, and I don't have control of the thermostat.
This report hasn't presented important other findings on productivity from working from home. The National Bureau of Economic Research, released a study this August of a randomized trial comparing working from home versus the office. It found that working from home was 18% less productive than working from the office.
I dont care about my co workers that much to see them in person. I can see you via zoom or Google Meet. In person causes issues of people talking to me when I dont want to.
I cant find anyone who wants to work from home. We pay triple to people who work at home. We pay them the money we save on office rent. No one wants the money. they want to create work place drama.