@@heartofjesusdj agree it’s devastating- children of family break ups hurt the most. It’s so unfortunate that people lose sight of this in their own pain or need to get even or make the other hurt….. as soon as the break up happens - relationship is secondary to the well being of the kids. How can a woman take a man to the cleaners and then expect him to be a good father? How can a man viciously attack the mother of his children and then expect her to be a good mother? So twisted.
Well I enjoyed this book way more than I expected, I had thought I would only be interested in Jackie but this has been riveting from beginning to end I have been sat here with my mouth open in shock for so much of it. Horrible twisted men in that family. Thanks Cheere I appreciate your readings more than you could know. Have a lovely Sunday.
@DS-mw9gm Once, they realized that the pro did not outweigh the quid. Why did they stay ? Why did they choose to raise their children in that environment ?
@@Anna-Bernadette no kidding You and I would dip I’m sure but status in the name seems to be the whole point for these ladies so in that regard you are right weak
I married a farm boy who went to college and became a successful man on his own hard work (paid for his own college tuition). My hubby can change out the kitchen sink, grow a healthy food garden and take me on camping adventures into the PNW mountains and he can go to a business gala properly dressed and speak elegantly from his heart. My husband and I both grew up in lower economic farming families. We never wanted for food or a simple, loving, and clean house. But we knew money was not abundant. We kept these values as we became successful adults. Our children and grandchildren have never been spoiled. If you want a dollar you’ve got to earn it. Our bit of wealth was built as a family and we do not take it for granted. Also, we choose to give to Christian community charities. Our children will not be left any money. They know this and agree with it. They have done well on their own knowing this. The children have no time for being stupid and doing substances or driving reckless. We do spend a lot of time together outdoors. Nothing better than being in the woods around a campfire with a good book and a snuggle. 🥰
What RFK Jr did was unforgivable, but there is a lesson here for those who suffer under the hands of a self-centered partner: Find your joy WITHOUT them. Best "revenge" ever. It's hard, but I've seen so many people do it. RIP Mary.
Had to make another comment. Read a couple of books about Martha Moxley. One thing that struck me was how similar to the Chaotic Skakel household the RFK household was. The RFK household was actually a Skakel household after RFK died.
I can only imagine all those kids in a single parent home! I always thought the ritzy neighborhood the Moxleys lived in was strange because either the homes are vastly different sizes or the Moxleys have one daughter in a 6 bedroom estate and the Skakels are 3 kids to a room!!
@sharonsmith583 Mrs Moxley was a fine lady. Often on TV during the murder trial of her daughter by the Skakel boy. She waited many years for justice there. They tried to blame it on 2 black boys who had been invited, good families there, too. Anything to avoid the truth. As for this latest creep, besides the suicide, I have a vague memory of another wife who had been a model and became completely anorexic with nerves and unhappiness and possibly died. I may be confusing her with RFK'S son, Joe. Every single one vile to women who loved them. It could have been in the 70s and my memory confused but I distinctly recall anorexia and was she French? He had a collection of wives too.
I worked and lived in Chevy Chase back in the day. The shop girls at the time told me they hated when Ethel came into the shop. She thought everything was free because she was a Kennedy.
I am 64. Durning the 70’s my sister and I spend most of a month calling our Mother Mrs. Our Dad’s first because that’s what her department store credit cards said. She had no identity but his. She could get credit in her own name up until that time. We wanted her and us to be ok if something should take our Dad away. In the news there was a professional baseball player that left his wife and kids and she had to exist on the charity of others until the divorce court ordered her husband to pay because she had nothing in her own name! It was real! You young gals have no idea!
I have children your age. Heard many horror tales of women who, for one reason or another, had lost their partners and had no money to speak of and no credit rating. It was frightening. In the mid-70s, I received an offer from United Airlines for a credit card in MY name. I jumped at it, and continue to use that card today.
Young women today have no clue. When I was in the 4th grade my teacher said she didn't think women should be paid the same as women because they weren't the head of the family. In the 6th grade I had a male teacher who walked back and forth in front of the class saying women were not equal to men and why. This was the late 60's. He told my mother during parent/teacher conference that he was worried I'd never get married because I was too competitive with boys. My mother said, "and why does she need to worry about that now? She's 11." Not completely enlightened but close. My mother was the only mom in my class who worked. I asked her why she worked and she told me because I don't want to ask your dad for 50 cents to buy a tube of lipstick. It was then a light bulb went on and I understood money was power and independence.
@sallyb7472 I agree with you to a certain extent. I can't agree with you on Mary and Carolyn. They were not 1950 or 1960 housewives. They were educated and capable women. Bobby was and is an asshat but these women had free agency. I am just a few years younger than you but I come from a long line of independent women that did such things as deliver the mail through North Carolina mountains on horseback. So, it must be how they were raised.
@@kimberlynolin2100 My mother always told me when I got married to set some money aside just for me in case of an emergency. She knew all the hardships women faced during those years when they couldn't get a credit card, and they didn't have job skills because they were home raising their children. She went through it all as a single parent and it's something I will never forget.
In or around 1965, I was clothes shopping with my mom and when she went to pay on her store credit because my dad cut her off! It was embarrassing for both of us and I am sure humiliating for my mom. Yeah it gave me a LOT to think about at the age of 8 or 9. And it didn’t make me feel very good my dad either, I never asked him about that when he was alive. Now I wished I had, and yes. My parents did get divorced shortly afterwards 😢
Wonderful job are you kidding me? She’s completely biased and I wonder what her motive is and who she is being funded by big government big Agriculture….who is she related to?
A big bonjour from France. I have a wee Ethel Kennedy story. I'm originally from Arlington, VA, and the RFK family lived in McLean, right nearby. Anyway, my best friend in high school's mother worked for Ethel for years and she said all the kids, without exception, were spoilt monsters who did absolutely anything they wanted, and that Ethel was just totally checked out. She told us a bunch of things I don't remember anymore, except for one "little" thing. The kids would go into the refrigerator, take out a jar of mayonnaise and just stick their hands in it to get it out and would lick it off and start over again. I can't believe I don't remember anything else!!!
Apologizing for his past utterly egregious behavior and attitudes was essential for RFK Jr to have a snowballs chance in hell in politics. It was politically expedient. The women the kennedys abused were always derided as nuts and sluts to minimize what the kennedys had done.
My first husband was violent and used to tell me I was crazy, he knew enough doctors to lock me up and I’d never see my children again. He was a workaholic- far more socially acceptable with the same emotional outcome. He also tried to starve us when I finally got the courage to leave. From $300 a week to $40 a week from a government pension. It’s the loneliest place for someone to live . He’s still causing problems 35+ years later.
Thanks, Cheere Denise, for summarizing this book. The short anecdote about Bobby Jr leaving his lunch trash on the table really struck a chord. My adult brother-in-law AND his wife did the exact same thing at a family reunion potluck held in a park. They just got up and left the table! I will never forget the rudeness, however insignificant.
I once read somewhere that before Bobby Kennedy was assassinated, Bobby and Ethel's children were "an afterthought," because Bobby and Erhel were so focused on politics. Then, after Bobby was assassinated, Ethel was not able to deal with her own anger and grief nevermind help her children deal with their anger and grief. There was no one to set healthy boundaries for the children or to help them through what we know of today as intensive family counseling.
@kerprice her husband too, Sargent Shriver, did a lot of good work. Sadly died quite young, leukemia, I think. Maria Shriver's parents, also a brother, Bobby Shriver. They may have lived in California. He had a charitable foundation where the money actually went to the needy! Fancy that.
The Shriver branch of the family was the most functional, too. Jackie kept Ethel's kids at arm's length from her kids, but respected Eunice's intelligence and saw her socially.
You do have to read about Ethel Kennedy. I read the RFK Jr. biography by Jerry Oppenheimer and was shocked by the portrayal of Ethel. Truly crazy and quite an awful woman. It is amazing to learn how every single member of this exalted family were disturbed and amoral people.
Has he worked hard not to be 'that' person? Jr has repeatedly lied about his treatment of Mary. He has NEVER repented. It was Vlad's interview where he was shocked into telling the the truth about the existence of the "diary" (43+ mistresses & sexual acts) that drove Mary to unalive herself.
@@gritsgalraisedinthesouth well his eulogy of her was shameless which is incompatible with recognizing his flaws and improving but I do think he has kicked his drug addiction so he is trying.
@@ryanlewandowsky2077good for him if he's "clean," but the man is unable to handle power, and his past (and present actions) should cause him to be criminally prosecuted. Jr sexually harassed Eliza Cooney, the nanny & River employee, but said he doesn't remember (under the table, in her bedroom with Kiehl's lotion, and in the kitchen pantry where Jr was caught red handed by a man renovating the house), and now Olivia Nuzzi. The New Yorker reporter who Jr (a serial philanderer) invited out to CA for "a hike" until he hit on her. Olivia then wrote the truth about Jr and his intent to be the election "spoiler" which made Jr angry. He began sexting w/her including facebook sex and blabbed about it to people who would tell her boss. Jr is the same person who thinks women are 2nd class citizens put on this earth for the Kennedy men to abuse.
@@butterbeanqueen8148Correction, he is on the ballot of non swing states he qualified to be on the their ballots. He tried to remove himself from the ballots of swing states but some will not remove him.
Not sure how you read this review of RFK, Jr's disastrous life and terrible treatment of women and still think we should allow him redemption -- and why was Cheryl Hines dating a married man?
After hearing the various escapes about the Kennedys, this gives me more insight as to why Richard Nixon couldn't stand them. I always thought he was just a sore loser but he probably knew more about them than we did at the time. I've little doubt the Kennedys could be insufferable snobs when they were around their foes.
There is news that many women were, at the least, love bombed, in the last few years during his campaign. Many people are inexplicably worshiping him these days
According to Wikipedia when Bobby had her moved to another empty plot in the cemetery, a gravestone was put up. He bought additional plots surrounding Mary’s grave and a niece, Saorise Kennedy Hill, was buried next to her in 2019. This young woman was a daughter of Courtney Kennedy and she died of a drug overdose.
@@loug8186RFK Jr. did intend on leaving Mary where she was first buried it is the Kennedy graveyard she was moved to another area because Maria Shriver did not want her buried next to her parents Eunice & Sarge Shriver Maria raised heck so Mary was moved (did she think Mary have cooties or something) it just shows the Kennedy's & extended family are all alike!!
I never thought very well of Cheryl Hines after all this. I'm glad she will not be first lady, and glad that she is getting her own special payback now.
Not a lot was said about her BPD, just the doctor saying she probably has it as her dad died when she was young. To be diagnosed with BPD it requires a battery of tests, not simply ones parent died when they were young.
Cheere, check out 'The Other Mrs. Kennedy' by Jerry Oppenheimer. It's about Ethel and the Skakel family. Learning about the Skakels was great insight into why Ethel's family life was so chaotic. The Skakels' were crazy! Ethel's mother (known as Big Ann) was something else!
Thank you Cheere Denise this has been interesting roller coaster of a listen, l love your commentary and honest analysis of the characters within the book. Bobby Jnr appears to have been little different from the rest of his family in his disregard for the feelings of his wife or wives. He seemed to have wanted to humiliate Mary after their divorce. A very sad end to a troubled life and what a final humiliation at her funeral and beyond! I am looking forward to the Tom Bower book about the Beckhams. As for Ethel l would love to know more about her and hear your views. Lester David wrote “ Ethel” and The Other Mrs Kennedy by Jerry Oppenheimer are two possibilities. Whatever you read next, l will be an avid listener ❤
The excellent comments under this video are already covering most of my thoughts about it. If anybody wants a deeper dive on RFK Jr., the podcast called “behind the bastards “did a really good deep dive on him. Unfortunately, it came out just before the news about the bear cub, the whale head, Olivia Nuzzi, and allegations of other extramarital dalliances that happened in the last year. There is no end to the drama and trauma! I don’t believe there has been any kind of enlightenment or reformation in this guy. He is comes across as a full on narcissist. There is no healing from that.
God can heal if ppl truly recognize and want it. If he was a true narc, he'd never admit his failures and step out of his comfort zone to do what's right for others instead of his own image. I think he has grown. He had all the odds stacked against him, and could have easily just continued the hypocrisy and coast like the rest of them. The SB's are obnoxious and pretentious. The greed is unreal with them.
@@afaceinthecrowd1983 some narcissists are very skilled at playing other people. They can make themselves sound humble if that is what is required to get them what they need. They prey on vulnerable people
Absolutely brilliant series! Thank you for bringing the stories of these women to us, Cheere. The overarching theme in this book that I found the MOST despicable, the MOST vile and the MOST egregious was the vicious smear campaigns the Kennedy PR machine launched after these women died! Calling them $luts, alcoholics, drug @ddicts and crazy social climbers who simply wanted to bag a Kennedy, with nigh a thought for the families of these women who had to watch their loved ones be slandered, defamed and dishonoured by the very perpetrators of their downfall was the most difficult to listen to. The anecdote about RFK Jr not throwing his own rubbish in the bin (towards the end of the episode) shines an even brighter light on the loathsome Kennedy arrogance...they seemed more willing to throw people who no longer served a purpose for them, into the trash than the wrapper from a cheeseburger.
Thank you for this book! I’ve enjoyed every part of it although I didn’t particularly like the book itself. I found your channel only recently, The Housekeeper’s Diary was the first book I saw you review. But in the last years I’ve read Traitor King, The Mountbattens and Revenge, so I’m off to those playlists now and I can’t wait to hear your take on them. I’m really glad I found your channel, keep up the good work and many greetings from Sweden! I might even have to order the Beckham book now…
I wouldn't go snorkeling either with a man whose brother was responsible for the drowning of a young woman secretary in a car....in fact knowing what I know of the Kennedys I'd never have dated any of them, much less married them,
My mother in law worked at a beautiful dept. store in D.C.....Ethel and Joan would come in and buy beautiful gowns and after they had worn them they would return them all dirty and nasty with stains, etc. and get their money back.
He’s a very flawed man and I, for one, don’t believe that this leopard has changed his spots! This relationship is going the way of his previous ones…I wonder what his children think of him as well.
I have zero sympathy for RFK Jr. He is still living his life based on lies with Cheryl and the reporter woman. What Mary was displaying was reactive abuse, her rage, the indignation of his affairs that he denied yet was open about it would make any person crazy mad. I cannot stand that man and I've known many men like him, I know how they operate, he just happened to have the Kennedy last name but they're all the same; Malignant, pathological lying narcissists who don't care about the women they hurt or the families they destroy. They only care about doing what feels good for them at that moment with no thought of how their actions will impact anyone else.
Cheryl Hines overlooked this adage… “if they will do it (abuse) with you they will eventually do it to you”. Cheryl overlooked his rotten behavior. It caught up with her.
You read “RFK Junior was nine when his father was assassinated” immediately piqued my ear because I knew right off the top of my head He was 14 when his father was assassinated. Hmmm 🤔
Have you not heard that RFK Jr is in another extra marital scandal involving a much younger woman during the past week? This leopard didn’t change his spots.
The "extra marital scandal" you and other gullible people are trying to give traction to is an obvious setup. Does the timing alone not tell you anything?
I think of all the Kennedy women, Ethel may have been the only one who wasn’t actually victimized or at least never Felt victimized. She loved the lifestyle, she loved the clout, she LOVED being “Bobby’s wife” and she was mean as a viper in her own right. She thrived in that environment.
Jerry Oppenheimer wrote a book about Ethel. From the reviews it appears to be pretty honest. It came out in 2014-2015- might be a good one to check out. I have loved listening to you read and discuss this book! I think I need a break from Kennedys- but would welcome something about Ethel.
I’ll admit it. I’m totally obsessed with Ethel. The way you can only be obsessed with someone who appears to be a truly terrible person! “She’s just the worst! Tell me more!” 😂
RFK Jr certainly sounds like a POS in this account. And Mary’s death only happened in 2012. Regardless of what he has done to redeem himself since then, it doesn’t sound like he has atoned for his role in the failure of both of his first 2 marriages. I also think it was unnecessary and uncalled-for for him to speak I’ll of Mary after her death. Perhaps she truly did have mental health disorders. But it was classless for him to speak so of her during the funeral. Also, secretly moving her grave afterwards-classless. Although it seems like you agree with some of his political stances, his anti-vax sentiments as well as his support of Donald Trump make him repellent to me.
This makes me wonder about the children of these ghastly supposed adults? How can they be so cruel to each other and not anticipate the effects on their children! Thanks for your super readingx
Side note: When my nephews were little and tearing the house apart and fighting, I would always yell, "Why are you all running around like a bunch of Kennedy's ?!?" They didn't know what it meant but everyone else did!
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I do think RFK JR did push all the buttons he possibly could for her to do what she finally did. The amount of unnecessary alienation that he and the rest of the Kennedy family put her through was totally appalling. I would loved to have known what Kerry Kennedy said to her. And then for these Kennedys to use the situation to promote themselves is disgusting.
She was already physically assaulting him in the early days of their relationship. Just STFU with the it’s all the Kennedy’s fault.
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No matter what was done to whom, the Kennedys still tried to promote themselves out of this situation. It was RFK, Jr who had her grave moved in the middle of the night and didn’t allow her family to make the funeral arrangements they wanted for her. He wanted to put on a front for the public as the good husband.
If you’re not blood then you’re a very lowly bit part player. What a family. Yes, Bobby Jr has been open about his failures and talks about changing things for the better, which is good, however, using Mary’s body to garner points in the public opinion is low crass and vile. He should have quietly handed over responsibility of Mary’s funeral and burial to her family.
The only person RFK Jr. cared about is his reflection in the mirror. It seems like old habits die hard with this man as Cheryl Hines is currently finding this out. As for his chemicals in our food stance, I would rather see someone more intelligent handle that issue.
It's not even the wandering eye and constant affairs, though that's bad enough. It's the gaslighting. That's the thing that will kill someone. He didn't even TRY to provide the relationship basics, such as trustworthiness and selfless care, before telling her the kill herself. Absolute masterclass in the projection of one's own failings onto another person.
I think perhaps Mary thought that, given her own struggles, she was *the* one who could make a successful life with Bobby because she understood him. Added to the idea that "all she ever wanted" was to be a Kennedy wife, it was all a fantasy, to her detriment.
It was never a good idea to take a beautiful, creative, woman like Mary out of NYC and park her in a big house in Mt. Kisco with four kids. Bobby's life was in NYC.
No the court took the kids away because she had multiple DUI’s. The court didn’t even want her to see the kids, he still fought for her to be able to see them.
Late seeing this, as usual. I am 100% with you, Cheere Denise, regarding RFK, Jr. This is all new to me because I never knew anything about him until your readings in this book. I hope he is, somehow, changed into a new person and, through Jesus Christ, this is possible. Hopefully, he can do some good for America.
This book really opened my eyes to the Kennedy clan, and I am shocked at how many dirty, horrific deeds so many members of the family got away with. Also, I am shocked at the horrible treatment the families of the Kennedy women were subjected to by the Kennedy’s themselves. The fact that the Kennedy men got away with everything from murder (allegedly) to the disturbance of graves (I was under the impression that was a crime as well) and they show no remorse or regret. I don’t understand why so many people still put the Kennedy’s on a pedestal. It appears that the Kennedy men are narcissists at the least, and psychopaths at the worse, and I hope that changes with each new generation. The Kennedy’s don’t deserve to be considered American royalty, and I hope more people start to realize that and begin to stop the hero worship the Kennedy’s receive.
I have felt this way for a long time. It’s unfortunate that people believe the news coverage that is concocted only to create an image. RFK jr’s current partnership with the Trump campaign poses a dilemma for me. I agree with his crusade to restructure our food supply and take influence away from the big pharmaceutical companies but I am concerned with what his own response to power will be. I do not trust him.
Adultry breeds domestic violence That family is sadistic Mary graduated from Brown University she graduated from NY school of design What was her adolescent upbringing like? It makes me sick to think of seeing the celebrity photos with RFK Jr.’s side piece. Disgusting.
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Well what goes around comes around Cheryl Hines may have gotten hers as rumors have it, Bobby was having an "emotional affair" (lol) with Olivia Nuzzi a reporter who interviwed him, Reportedly Cheryl is none too happy and has taken herself to Europe.
Ho boy, the more I watch your channel, the more I love it! I actually kinda, sorta liked RFK, Jr. For a minute. But he's just...weird! On top of everything else. BUT I totally agree about his redemption arc. And this book is definitely not really creditable at all. So glad I listened to it on your channel!
❤Mary didn’t stand a prayer in Hell marrying this “member of the American Royal family” her situation reminds me of Princess Diana who also married into the family from Hell…did not stand a prayer. BOTH families prove BEHAVIOR DOES NOT CHANGE!
he is a stone cold gaslighter who eventually will b brought down. I am heart broken for his children & thank god that they have a soul like Ms. Hines to love them through this very, very painful time. He is a ruthless hustler & exploiter of women.
Cheere Denise, I just read that Cheryl Hines is considering a divorce from RFK jr. It seems that Bobby had a "sexting" affair with a journalist who interviewed him recently in his California home. Friends of Cheryl have learned that several other issues, one being the dead bear cub he placed in Central Park, might be included in her desire to leave.
Initially I found RFK's honestly about his past refreshing until he was asked about the nanny who accused him of SA. His response in an interview was...he has repeatedly admitted he wasn't a choirboy. As though infidelity and assault are the same. As though he was a wild young man, not a man in his 40s interacting with an employee. Whether he did it or not, his response is disturbing.
Sorry Cheere, I think he is quite a vapid, shallow individual who cared little for what the consequences of his actions caused, even to his children. He’s not changed. Neither has Kerry.
I can't understand why, after RFK was assassinated, friends had Ethel to send the older children to friends and kept the small children with her. They sent Bobby Jr to friends in Africa. Two girls younger than Bobby Jr, went out west to a ranch to stay. To me that would be a horrible thing to do to children that had lost their father. I wonder who advised Ethel.
The whole time you were reading all I could think was this is Emotional abuse! The psychological trauma, it seems, is horribly common among the Kennedy men. Almost as if it was a taught lesson along side of mathematics. Messing with someone’s head the way Bobby did Mary is pitiful. Great chapter. But I’ve about had my fill of this book- glad we are almost done. ♥️CD Edit- YaY! We finished!
@@bmrrw1809 I didn’t mean to gloss over anything… MC, the author wrote what she wanted us to know. I didn’t hear anything written about her being abusive.
Must say, Cheere, (by the way cool name listened to how that came about) your book club and side notes with personal opinions are so spot on. Keep up the amazing work!
Cheere, not sure if I’ve mentioned this before but, if you have HBO there is a documentary called “Ethel” done by her daughter Rory and it is SO fascinating. They do everything they can to paint her as a modern day saint and yet, and YET…the weirdness of that family still manages to leak around the edges. It’s like there is no WAY for anyone, anywhere, to paint that family in a normal light. Not even they can do it for themselves.
@@Nicstewert Same here! You definitely should read Jerry Oppenheimer’s book. The filthy mess the house was, the way the help was treated… And the horses story in the documentary has another totally different side.
Since Ethel is gone now the Documentary “Ethel” will likely be everywhere. I watched it a couple of years ago. It struck me that she really wasn’t a very nice person.
Ethel had one kid after another and it sounds like that might have continued if not for the tragedy of losing the husband and father of that family. Children can’t raise themselves and it sounds likely the kids behaved like they were feral. I always thought that David that overdosed was such a lost soul in that family. Mary sounded like a real piece of work herself. Her end was self violent. Robert was like poison to her , actually both of their instability.
My mother had BPD, and I can testify to what a nightmare it is to grow up with a mother like that. If he really was rescuing his kids from her rages when he took them away, then I’d say he is a very brave man.
That he cut off her finances shows that he didn’t love her nor his children. If you love your children, you don’t attempt to destroy their mother.
@@heartofjesusdj agreed
Amen!!
@@heartofjesusdj agree it’s devastating- children of family break ups hurt the most. It’s so unfortunate that people lose sight of this in their own pain or need to get even or make the other hurt….. as soon as the break up happens - relationship is secondary to the well being of the kids. How can a woman take a man to the cleaners and then expect him to be a good father? How can a man viciously attack the mother of his children and then expect her to be a good mother? So twisted.
No. Money is a means of control or anger.
@@rhonda6791 obviously he didn’t cut off her finances because he liked her.
Thank you, Cheere, for reading these books. I love listening to your opinion. Have a blessed Sunday.
Well I enjoyed this book way more than I expected, I had thought I would only be interested in Jackie but this has been riveting from beginning to end I have been sat here with my mouth open in shock for so much of it. Horrible twisted men in that family. Thanks Cheere I appreciate your readings more than you could know. Have a lovely Sunday.
The women in this family were weak. They only had regard for themselves
I don’t think the women were weak. I just feel like they thought the pro would outweigh the quid.
Definitely most of it was transactional for sure
@DS-mw9gm Once, they realized that the pro did not outweigh the quid. Why did they stay ? Why did they choose to raise their children in that environment ?
@@Anna-Bernadette no kidding
You and I would dip I’m sure but status in the name seems to be the whole point for these ladies
so in that regard you are right
weak
Is Joan talked about ? I find her and Ted's story very interesting. I actually met her once, and found her to be a soft spoken, sweet person.
I married a farm boy who went to college and became a successful man on his own hard work (paid for his own college tuition). My hubby can change out the kitchen sink, grow a healthy food garden and take me on camping adventures into the PNW mountains and he can go to a business gala properly dressed and speak elegantly from his heart. My husband and I both grew up in lower economic farming families. We never wanted for food or a simple, loving, and clean house. But we knew money was not abundant. We kept these values as we became successful adults. Our children and grandchildren have never been spoiled. If you want a dollar you’ve got to earn it. Our bit of wealth was built as a family and we do not take it for granted. Also, we choose to give to Christian community charities. Our children will not be left any money. They know this and agree with it. They have done well on their own knowing this. The children have no time for being stupid and doing substances or driving reckless. We do spend a lot of time together outdoors. Nothing better than being in the woods around a campfire with a good book and a snuggle. 🥰
What RFK Jr did was unforgivable, but there is a lesson here for those who suffer under the hands of a self-centered partner: Find your joy WITHOUT them. Best "revenge" ever. It's hard, but I've seen so many people do it. RIP Mary.
right on. good advice: find your joy without them. its not impossible. set your intention. take one step at a time,
Had to make another comment. Read a couple of books about Martha Moxley. One thing that struck me was how similar to the Chaotic Skakel household the RFK household was. The RFK household was actually a Skakel household after RFK died.
I can only imagine all those kids in a single parent home! I always thought the ritzy neighborhood the Moxleys lived in was strange because either the homes are vastly different sizes or the Moxleys have one daughter in a 6 bedroom estate and the Skakels are 3 kids to a room!!
Agree. Dane thought!
@@ryanlewandowsky2077 I think the Moxleys were pretty well to do. They only had two kids. Martha had a brother
@sharonsmith583 Mrs Moxley was a fine lady. Often on TV during the murder trial of her daughter by the Skakel boy. She waited many years for justice there. They tried to blame it on 2 black boys who had been invited, good families there, too. Anything to avoid the truth. As for this latest creep, besides the suicide, I have a vague memory of another wife who had been a model and became completely anorexic with nerves and unhappiness and possibly died. I may be confusing her with RFK'S son, Joe. Every single one vile to women who loved them. It could have been in the 70s and my memory confused but I distinctly recall anorexia and was she French? He had a collection of wives too.
@@margaretcastell9429Mrs Moxley is a fine lady. I don't see how she lived through all that. Tough lady.
Cheere- this Kennedy stuff is beyond a rabbit hole.
It’s a PORTAL TO HELL!
Lmao!
Yes ❤
I worked and lived in Chevy Chase back in the day. The shop girls at the time told me they hated when Ethel came into the shop. She thought everything was free because she was a Kennedy.
And she would return worn and stained clothes expecting to have the money back (when she had paid for them, which wasn’t always the case).
@@edcpike omg...
@@TeresaLeandro yikes!
Like Jackie giving a plumber an autographed picture of her! Can you imagine?
While they're castigating the men, the women were no better.
They All felt entitled. Men and women.
Thank you. You are my favorite UA-camr. I always love it when you read to us. I really enjoyed the book.
I am 64. Durning the 70’s my sister and I spend most of a month calling our Mother Mrs. Our Dad’s first because that’s what her department store credit cards said. She had no identity but his. She could get credit in her own name up until that time. We wanted her and us to be ok if something should take our Dad away. In the news there was a professional baseball player that left his wife and kids and she had to exist on the charity of others until the divorce court ordered her husband to pay because she had nothing in her own name! It was real! You young gals have no idea!
I have children your age. Heard many horror tales of women who, for one reason or another, had lost their partners and had no money to speak of and no credit rating. It was frightening. In the mid-70s, I received an offer from United Airlines for a credit card in MY name. I jumped at it, and continue to use that card today.
Young women today have no clue. When I was in the 4th grade my teacher said she didn't think women should be paid the same as women because they weren't the head of the family. In the 6th grade I had a male teacher who walked back and forth in front of the class saying women were not equal to men and why. This was the late 60's. He told my mother during parent/teacher conference that he was worried I'd never get married because I was too competitive with boys. My mother said, "and why does she need to worry about that now? She's 11." Not completely enlightened but close. My mother was the only mom in my class who worked. I asked her why she worked and she told me because I don't want to ask your dad for 50 cents to buy a tube of lipstick. It was then a light bulb went on and I understood money was power and independence.
@sallyb7472 I agree with you to a certain extent. I can't agree with you on Mary and Carolyn. They were not 1950 or 1960 housewives. They were educated and capable women. Bobby was and is an asshat but these women had free agency. I am just a few years younger than you but I come from a long line of independent women that did such things as deliver the mail through North Carolina mountains on horseback. So, it must be how they were raised.
@@kimberlynolin2100 My mother always told me when I got married to set some money aside just for me in case of an emergency. She knew all the hardships women faced during those years when they couldn't get a credit card, and they didn't have job skills because they were home raising their children. She went through it all as a single parent and it's something I will never forget.
In or around 1965, I was clothes shopping with my mom and when she went to pay on her store credit because my dad cut her off! It was embarrassing for both of us and I am sure humiliating for my mom. Yeah it gave me a LOT to think about at the age of 8 or 9. And it didn’t make me feel very good my dad either, I never asked him about that when he was alive. Now I wished I had, and yes. My parents did get divorced shortly afterwards 😢
You did a wonderful job painting a picture of this family while remaining objective-much appreciated!🙏🏻
Wonderful job are you kidding me? She’s completely biased and I wonder what her motive is and who she is being funded by big government big Agriculture….who is she related to?
She isn't a Kennedy relative that I know for a fact.
A big bonjour from France. I have a wee Ethel Kennedy story. I'm originally from Arlington, VA, and the RFK family lived in McLean, right nearby. Anyway, my best friend in high school's mother worked for Ethel for years and she said all the kids, without exception, were spoilt monsters who did absolutely anything they wanted, and that Ethel was just totally checked out. She told us a bunch of things I don't remember anymore, except for one "little" thing. The kids would go into the refrigerator, take out a jar of mayonnaise and just stick their hands in it to get it out and would lick it off and start over again. I can't believe I don't remember anything else!!!
Monsters! No, seriously I despise mayonnaise lol that sounds disgusting 👀
@@smartmarketing173 Me, too. Maybe that's why I only remember that one story 🤣
@@dottieparker7274I love mayonnaise, but that makes my stomach turn over to think about all the bacteria from their hands going into the jar 🤮
@@christalkarnaze3223 👍👍👍
@@heatblair So gross
Apologizing for his past utterly egregious behavior and attitudes was essential for RFK Jr to have a snowballs chance in hell in politics. It was politically expedient.
The women the kennedys abused were always derided as nuts and sluts to minimize what the kennedys had done.
@@StrongopinionsRus yup
Perhaps that was the sort of woman they were attracted too.....both parties were lacking
Like basically all politicians and the women they mess around with then.
@@sophie111kellyso true!!!
I didn’t buy it! He is as bad as the rest of them. He is a great match with Trump. They have similarities too.
My first husband was violent and used to tell me I was crazy, he knew enough doctors to lock me up and I’d never see my children again.
He was a workaholic- far more socially acceptable with the same emotional outcome.
He also tried to starve us when I finally got the courage to leave. From $300 a week to $40 a week from a government pension.
It’s the loneliest place for someone to live .
He’s still causing problems 35+ years later.
Thanks, Cheere Denise, for summarizing this book.
The short anecdote about Bobby Jr leaving his lunch trash on the table really struck a chord. My adult brother-in-law AND his wife did the exact same thing at a family reunion potluck held in a park. They just got up and left the table! I will never forget the rudeness, however insignificant.
I once read somewhere that before Bobby Kennedy was assassinated, Bobby and Ethel's children were "an afterthought," because Bobby and Erhel were so focused on politics. Then, after Bobby was assassinated, Ethel was not able to deal with her own anger and grief nevermind help her children deal with their anger and grief. There was no one to set healthy boundaries for the children or to help them through what we know of today as intensive family counseling.
I've heard that too. The servants more or less raised them.
11 afterthoughts😂??? I Rather doubt that. However, I do agree the children were probably raised by nannies as that was the norm for Kennedy children.
That's not true. The children were included in all things especially political
Too many kids. Why have so many kids?! What’s the need? I once read Ethel did it so she could be the “winner” among herself, Jackie and Joan.
No, she wanted to outdo Rose. That was her goal.
Ethel was a piece of work. Eunice is probably the nicest of the sisters, she was close to Rosemary and started thr special olympics
Totally agree
@kerprice her husband too, Sargent Shriver, did a lot of good work. Sadly died quite young, leukemia, I think. Maria Shriver's parents, also a brother, Bobby Shriver. They may have lived in California. He had a charitable foundation where the money actually went to the needy! Fancy that.
The Shriver branch of the family was the most functional, too. Jackie kept Ethel's kids at arm's length from her kids, but respected Eunice's intelligence and saw her socially.
You do have to read about Ethel Kennedy. I read the RFK Jr. biography by Jerry Oppenheimer and was shocked by the portrayal of Ethel. Truly crazy and quite an awful woman. It is amazing to learn how every single member of this exalted family were disturbed and amoral people.
Awful woman.
Jerry Oppenheimer also wrote The Other Mrs. Kennedy, about Ethel
Has he worked hard not to be 'that' person? Jr has repeatedly lied about his treatment of Mary.
He has NEVER repented. It was Vlad's interview where he was shocked into telling the the truth about the existence of the "diary" (43+ mistresses & sexual acts) that drove Mary to unalive herself.
@@gritsgalraisedinthesouth well his eulogy of her was shameless which is incompatible with recognizing his flaws and improving but I do think he has kicked his drug addiction so he is trying.
@@ryanlewandowsky2077good for him if he's "clean," but the man is unable to handle power, and his past (and present actions) should cause him to be criminally prosecuted.
Jr sexually harassed Eliza Cooney, the nanny & River employee, but said he doesn't remember (under the table, in her bedroom with Kiehl's lotion, and in the kitchen pantry where Jr was caught red handed by a man renovating the house), and now Olivia Nuzzi.
The New Yorker reporter who Jr (a serial philanderer) invited out to CA for "a hike" until he hit on her. Olivia then wrote the truth about Jr and his intent to be the election "spoiler" which made Jr angry.
He began sexting w/her including facebook sex and blabbed about it to people who would tell her boss.
Jr is the same person who thinks women are 2nd class citizens put on this earth for the Kennedy men to abuse.
So delighted you’ve posted a nice long session- my day is MADE! 🎉❤🇬🇧
Makes me happy no Kennedy is running for president though
100%
I wonder if the Kennedy’s were Trump’s mentor! He was a democrat for years 😮
RFK Jr. is running
@@Ghostgirl6292he’s bowed out but is still on the ballot in some states that wouldn’t remove him.
@@butterbeanqueen8148Correction, he is on the ballot of non swing states he qualified to be on the their ballots. He tried to remove himself from the ballots of swing states but some will not remove him.
Yes! Please do a book on Ethel.
Yes!!
Absolutely!
Not sure how you read this review of RFK, Jr's disastrous life and terrible treatment of women and still think we should allow him redemption -- and why was Cheryl Hines dating a married man?
After hearing the various escapes about the Kennedys, this gives me more insight as to why Richard Nixon couldn't stand them. I always thought he was just a sore loser but he probably knew more about them than we did at the time. I've little doubt the Kennedys could be insufferable snobs when they were around their foes.
He did turn down a recount of the votes in 1960 for the good of the country. Will give him credit for that.
There is also the claim that Joe Sr. Bought the votes that pushed JFK into the presidents seat, over Nixon , in 1960. So maybe that’s why! 😂
He's still not a good person, look at the recent scandal involving his extra marital affair. He's a jerk, always was, always will be
There is news that many women were, at the least, love bombed, in the last few years during his campaign. Many people are inexplicably worshiping him these days
Assuming this is true and not the work of the lame stream media making up stories to defame him.
I just read that he has now cheated on Cheryl Hines. He is 70 years old and still cannot control himself around women.
Who drops off a dead bear in the middle of Central Park? The man is as sick as he’s always been.
And he is nuts. There's that.
According to Wikipedia when Bobby had her moved to another empty plot in the cemetery, a gravestone was put up. He bought additional plots surrounding Mary’s grave and a niece, Saorise Kennedy Hill, was buried next to her in 2019. This young woman was a daughter of Courtney Kennedy and she died of a drug overdose.
Still doesn’t explain why all the pop man’s circumstance around her initial burial, when he had no intention of leaving her there.
@@loug8186RFK Jr. did intend on leaving Mary where she was first buried it is the Kennedy graveyard she was moved to another area because Maria Shriver did not want her buried next to her parents Eunice & Sarge Shriver Maria raised heck so Mary was moved (did she think Mary have cooties or something) it just shows the Kennedy's & extended family are all alike!!
@@cynthiawilliams737maybe Maria wants the plot next to her mother for herself?
Also, Kerry Kennedy should be ashamed of herself.
The female Kennedys can be philanderers and gaslighters as well
They all should, but yes, her in particular!
With "friends" like Kerry...?
What did she do?
RFK Jr. hasn't changed much in the fidelity department. Just ask Cheryl Hines and Olivia Nuzzi...
Is there any evidence he did anything to encourage or solicit Nuzzi sending him ‘tasteful nudes’ (as she called them)?
I never thought very well of Cheryl Hines after all this. I'm glad she will not be first lady, and glad that she is getting her own special payback now.
Totally!
Who will be wife #4???
What's disingenuous is coming out with the apologies for his past behavior when he was running for president. He's still a sicko.
Not a lot was said about her BPD, just the doctor saying she probably has it as her dad died when she was young. To be diagnosed with BPD it requires a battery of tests, not simply ones parent died when they were young.
Cheere, check out 'The Other Mrs. Kennedy' by Jerry Oppenheimer. It's about Ethel and the Skakel family. Learning about the Skakels was great insight into why Ethel's family life was so chaotic. The Skakels' were crazy! Ethel's mother (known as Big Ann) was something else!
Thank you Cheere Denise this has been interesting roller coaster of a listen, l love your commentary and honest analysis of the characters within the book. Bobby Jnr appears to have been little different from the rest of his family in his disregard for the feelings of his wife or wives. He seemed to have wanted to humiliate Mary after their divorce. A very sad end to a troubled life and what a final humiliation at her funeral and beyond!
I am looking forward to the Tom Bower book about the Beckhams.
As for Ethel l would love to know more about her and hear your views. Lester David wrote “ Ethel” and The Other Mrs Kennedy by Jerry Oppenheimer are two possibilities.
Whatever you read next, l will be an avid listener ❤
The excellent comments under this video are already covering most of my thoughts about it. If anybody wants a deeper dive on RFK Jr., the podcast called “behind the bastards “did a really good deep dive on him. Unfortunately, it came out just before the news about the bear cub, the whale head, Olivia Nuzzi, and allegations of other extramarital dalliances that happened in the last year. There is no end to the drama and trauma! I don’t believe there has been any kind of enlightenment or reformation in this guy. He is comes across as a full on narcissist. There is no healing from that.
God can heal if ppl truly recognize and want it. If he was a true narc, he'd never admit his failures and step out of his comfort zone to do what's right for others instead of his own image.
I think he has grown. He had all the odds stacked against him, and could have easily just continued the hypocrisy and coast like the rest of them. The SB's are obnoxious and pretentious. The greed is unreal with them.
I listened to two of those "Behind the Bastards" segments, and just could not go on.
@@afaceinthecrowd1983 some narcissists are very skilled at playing other people. They can make themselves sound humble if that is what is required to get them what they need. They prey on vulnerable people
Exactly. Narcissists can’t be fixed.
Absolutely brilliant series! Thank you for bringing the stories of these women to us, Cheere. The overarching theme in this book that I found the MOST despicable, the MOST vile and the MOST egregious was the vicious smear campaigns the Kennedy PR machine launched after these women died! Calling them $luts, alcoholics, drug @ddicts and crazy social climbers who simply wanted to bag a Kennedy, with nigh a thought for the families of these women who had to watch their loved ones be slandered, defamed and dishonoured by the very perpetrators of their downfall was the most difficult to listen to. The anecdote about RFK Jr not throwing his own rubbish in the bin (towards the end of the episode) shines an even brighter light on the loathsome Kennedy arrogance...they seemed more willing to throw people who no longer served a purpose for them, into the trash than the wrapper from a cheeseburger.
We're seeing it in resl time against Olivia Nuzzi.
Thank you for this book! I’ve enjoyed every part of it although I didn’t particularly like the book itself. I found your channel only recently, The Housekeeper’s Diary was the first book I saw you review. But in the last years I’ve read Traitor King, The Mountbattens and Revenge, so I’m off to those playlists now and I can’t wait to hear your take on them. I’m really glad I found your channel, keep up the good work and many greetings from Sweden! I might even have to order the Beckham book now…
The Kennedys do not think highly of women. Oh, I guess you know that.
Nagging English accent is hysterical.
They most certainly do not anyone who doubts that really needs to explain Mary’s eulogy! 😂
I wouldn't go snorkeling either with a man whose brother was responsible for the drowning of a young woman secretary in a car....in fact knowing what I know of the Kennedys I'd never have dated any of them, much less married them,
Uncle, it was his Uncle.
My mother in law worked at a beautiful dept. store in D.C.....Ethel and Joan would come in and buy beautiful gowns and after they had worn them they would return them all dirty and nasty with stains, etc. and get their money back.
I heard that too. Native Washingtonian here.
Disgusting
Most stars do the same thing
Did same thing up in Hyannis too. Defrauded the local merchants; often didn’t even pay for groceries!
He’s a very flawed man and I, for one, don’t believe that this leopard has changed his spots! This relationship is going the way of his previous ones…I wonder what his children think of him as well.
I wonder if his children are as damaged as many of the others?
They are
I have zero sympathy for RFK Jr. He is still living his life based on lies with Cheryl and the reporter woman. What Mary was displaying was reactive abuse, her rage, the indignation of his affairs that he denied yet was open about it would make any person crazy mad. I cannot stand that man and I've known many men like him, I know how they operate, he just happened to have the Kennedy last name but they're all the same; Malignant, pathological lying narcissists who don't care about the women they hurt or the families they destroy. They only care about doing what feels good for them at that moment with no thought of how their actions will impact anyone else.
Cheryl Hines overlooked this adage… “if they will do it (abuse) with you they will eventually do it to you”.
Cheryl overlooked his rotten behavior. It caught up with her.
Are they still married. I understood they are.
Id love you to do a book on Ethel, she sounds like a complete story all on her own!
RFK Jr has been a con man for decades. Is finally being called out.
You read “RFK Junior was nine when his father was assassinated”
immediately piqued my ear because I knew right off the top of my head He was 14 when his father was assassinated.
Hmmm 🤔
Yes. He was nine when his Uncle, JKF, was assassinated. I am the same age as RFK, Jr. Remember all dates well.
@@cynthiaharrell2144 yeah makes me question the books entirety if information so easily accessed is incorrect...
Have you not heard that RFK Jr is in another extra marital scandal involving a much younger woman during the past week? This leopard didn’t change his spots.
It's only a "scandal" in the minds of people who want it to be one. It's transparently a setup.
The "extra marital scandal" you and other gullible people are trying to give traction to is an obvious setup. Does the timing alone not tell you anything?
I think the reason the author doesn't mention Ethel very much is because she has not a chance to make her a likeable victim.
Agreed...
I think of all the Kennedy women, Ethel may have been the only one who wasn’t actually victimized or at least never Felt victimized. She loved the lifestyle, she loved the clout, she LOVED being “Bobby’s wife” and she was mean as a viper in her own right. She thrived in that environment.
To my memory, Ethel never received the public attention the other Kennedy wives did. We never knew as much about her.
@@NicstewertInteresting take on Ethel. Sounds plausible.
@@HR-nl7fc true
Jerry Oppenheimer wrote a book about Ethel. From the reviews it appears to be pretty honest. It came out in 2014-2015- might be a good one to check out. I have loved listening to you read and discuss this book! I think I need a break from Kennedys- but would welcome something about Ethel.
I have it, I recommended it some minutes ago. A very enlightening reading. And entertaining too.
I read this book. The Skakels were nuts!
I've never cared one way or the other about Cheryl Hines, but this puts her in a bad light as well.
I’ll admit it. I’m totally obsessed with Ethel. The way you can only be obsessed with someone who appears to be a truly terrible person! “She’s just the worst! Tell me more!” 😂
Ethel passed away at age 96on 101124. RIP.
With the Kennedys, where there’s smoke there’s fire!
RFK Jr certainly sounds like a POS in this account. And Mary’s death only happened in 2012. Regardless of what he has done to redeem himself since then, it doesn’t sound like he has atoned for his role in the failure of both of his first 2 marriages. I also think it was unnecessary and uncalled-for for him to speak I’ll of Mary after her death.
Perhaps she truly did have mental health disorders. But it was classless for him to speak so of her during the funeral. Also, secretly moving her grave afterwards-classless.
Although it seems like you agree with some of his political stances, his anti-vax sentiments as well as his support of Donald Trump make him repellent to me.
He's vile
Too bad, too sad for you. Those are the best two things about RFK Jr. You having a problem with that says something about you as well.
This makes me wonder about the children of these ghastly supposed adults? How can they be so cruel to each other and not anticipate the effects on their children! Thanks for your super readingx
There also should have been a chapter on Shelia Rauch first wife to Joe Kennedy II
Unfortunately, he's not honest. Too often, his words don't match his actions.
Side note: When my nephews were little and tearing the house apart and fighting, I would always yell, "Why are you all running around like a bunch of Kennedy's ?!?" They didn't know what it meant but everyone else did!
I do think RFK JR did push all the buttons he possibly could for her to do what she finally did. The amount of unnecessary alienation that he and the rest of the Kennedy family put her through was totally appalling. I would loved to have known what Kerry Kennedy said to her. And then for these Kennedys to use the situation to promote themselves is disgusting.
She was already physically assaulting him in the early days of their relationship. Just STFU with the it’s all the Kennedy’s fault.
No matter what was done to whom, the Kennedys still tried to promote themselves out of this situation. It was RFK, Jr who had her grave moved in the middle of the night and didn’t allow her family to make the funeral arrangements they wanted for her. He wanted to put on a front for the public as the good husband.
If you’re not blood then you’re a very lowly bit part player. What a family. Yes, Bobby Jr has been open about his failures and talks about changing things for the better, which is good, however, using Mary’s body to garner points in the public opinion is low crass and vile. He should have quietly handed over responsibility of Mary’s funeral and burial to her family.
The only person RFK Jr. cared about is his reflection in the mirror. It seems like old habits die hard with this man as Cheryl Hines is currently finding this out. As for his chemicals in our food stance, I would rather see someone more intelligent handle that issue.
Sad, sad story. RFK is despicable.
It's not even the wandering eye and constant affairs, though that's bad enough. It's the gaslighting. That's the thing that will kill someone. He didn't even TRY to provide the relationship basics, such as trustworthiness and selfless care, before telling her the kill herself. Absolute masterclass in the projection of one's own failings onto another person.
I think perhaps Mary thought that, given her own struggles, she was *the* one who could make a successful life with Bobby because she understood him. Added to the idea that "all she ever wanted" was to be a Kennedy wife, it was all a fantasy, to her detriment.
Cheryl Hines walked into the same style marriage as Mary did. He who cheats with you, will cheat on you Cheryl. Not a good place to be, is it?
It was never a good idea to take a beautiful, creative, woman like Mary out of NYC and park her in a big house in Mt. Kisco with four kids. Bobby's life was in NYC.
Happy Sunday cheere! Can’t wait to hear this one!❤
This has been interesting. You have the skill of choosing a book we are interested in -- but, not enough to buy and read in its entirety. Thank you.
I couldn’t agree more about RFK in general.. I have absolutely loved this series. Thank you!
I love how you give us this read. So many questions I probably would have thought to ask. I enjoy you so much. Thank you Cheere. ❤❤❤❤
He took the kids away from their mother. Unforgivable. Zebras don't change their stripes, they just learn how to speak a better line of bs
No the court took the kids away because she had multiple DUI’s. The court didn’t even want her to see the kids, he still fought for her to be able to see them.
Late seeing this, as usual. I am 100% with you, Cheere Denise, regarding RFK, Jr. This is all new to me because I never knew anything about him until your readings in this book. I hope he is, somehow, changed into a new person and, through Jesus Christ, this is possible. Hopefully, he can do some good for America.
This book really opened my eyes to the Kennedy clan, and I am shocked at how many dirty, horrific deeds so many members of the family got away with. Also, I am shocked at the horrible treatment the families of the Kennedy women were subjected to by the Kennedy’s themselves. The fact that the Kennedy men got away with everything from murder (allegedly) to the disturbance of graves (I was under the impression that was a crime as well) and they show no remorse or regret. I don’t understand why so many people still put the Kennedy’s on a pedestal. It appears that the Kennedy men are narcissists at the least, and psychopaths at the worse, and I hope that changes with each new generation. The Kennedy’s don’t deserve to be considered American royalty, and I hope more people start to realize that and begin to stop the hero worship the Kennedy’s receive.
I have felt this way for a long time. It’s unfortunate that people believe the news coverage that is concocted only to create an image. RFK jr’s current partnership with the Trump campaign poses a dilemma for me. I agree with his crusade to restructure our food supply and take influence away from the big pharmaceutical companies but I am concerned with what his own response to power will be. I do not trust him.
Oh yes Ethel ! Please cover her 🙏🏼
Adultry breeds domestic violence
That family is sadistic
Mary graduated from Brown University
she graduated from NY school of design
What was her adolescent upbringing like?
It makes me sick to think of seeing the celebrity photos with RFK Jr.’s side piece. Disgusting.
❤from New Zealand 🇳🇿 😍 ❤️ really enjoy your videos.
You are very entertaining and very intelligent. Lovely balance ❤
You should do a video solely of your Henry Windsor whiny voice.Your Diana voice is spooky😂. Very talented you are❤
You must do an Ethel book. Wow!!
Well what goes around comes around Cheryl Hines may have gotten hers as rumors have it, Bobby was having an "emotional affair" (lol) with Olivia Nuzzi a reporter who interviwed him, Reportedly Cheryl is none too happy and has taken herself to Europe.
According to the latest news this couple is now heading for divorce ~ O, what a tangled web we weave when first we practise to deceive....
Ho boy, the more I watch your channel, the more I love it! I actually kinda, sorta liked RFK, Jr. For a minute. But he's just...weird! On top of everything else. BUT I totally agree about his redemption arc. And this book is definitely not really creditable at all. So glad I listened to it on your channel!
Weird, a grifter, a liar and a fraud.
If you think he's weird now, listen to the Behind the Bastards podcast series about him. "Weird" is inadequate to describe him.
@@bobtaylor170 thanks for the suggestion 👍🏿
@@gritsgalraisedinthesouth you're most welcome.
❤Mary didn’t stand a prayer in Hell marrying this “member of the American Royal family” her situation reminds me of Princess Diana who also married into the family from Hell…did not stand a prayer. BOTH families prove BEHAVIOR DOES NOT CHANGE!
So excited to see a new video from you!!! Sunday ➡️➡️➡️ MADE‼️
he is a stone cold gaslighter who eventually will b brought down. I am heart broken for his children & thank god that they have a soul like Ms. Hines to love them through this very, very painful time. He is a ruthless hustler & exploiter of women.
Cheere Denise, I just read that Cheryl Hines is considering a divorce from RFK jr. It seems that Bobby had a "sexting" affair with a journalist who interviewed him recently in his California home. Friends of Cheryl have learned that several other issues, one being the dead bear cub he placed in Central Park, might be included in her desire to leave.
Abusive men are good at crazy making behavior. It's a pretty classic move.
Initially I found RFK's honestly about his past refreshing until he was asked about the nanny who accused him of SA. His response in an interview was...he has repeatedly admitted he wasn't a choirboy. As though infidelity and assault are the same. As though he was a wild young man, not a man in his 40s interacting with an employee. Whether he did it or not, his response is disturbing.
Sorry Cheere, I think he
is quite a vapid, shallow
individual who cared little
for what the consequences
of his actions caused, even
to his children. He’s not
changed. Neither has Kerry.
I can't understand why, after RFK was assassinated, friends had Ethel to send the older children to friends and kept the small children with her. They sent Bobby Jr to friends in Africa. Two girls younger than Bobby Jr, went out west to a ranch to stay. To me that would be a horrible thing to do to children that had lost their father. I wonder who advised Ethel.
The whole time you were reading all I could think was this is Emotional abuse! The psychological trauma, it seems, is horribly common among the Kennedy men. Almost as if it was a taught lesson along side of mathematics. Messing with someone’s head the way Bobby did Mary is pitiful. Great chapter. But I’ve about had my fill of this book- glad we are almost done. ♥️CD
Edit- YaY! We finished!
Glossed over that she was physically abusive first.
@@bmrrw1809 I didn’t mean to gloss over anything… MC, the author wrote what she wanted us to know. I didn’t hear anything written about her being abusive.
Must say, Cheere, (by the way cool name listened to how that came about) your book club and side notes with personal opinions are so spot on. Keep up the amazing work!
Cheere, not sure if I’ve mentioned this before but, if you have HBO there is a documentary called “Ethel” done by her daughter Rory and it is SO fascinating. They do everything they can to paint her as a modern day saint and yet, and YET…the weirdness of that family still manages to leak around the edges. It’s like there is no WAY for anyone, anywhere, to paint that family in a normal light. Not even they can do it for themselves.
It’s true! I’ve had it in my pc for near 10 years and I won’t delete it, since it’s not available in HBO Portugal. If’s fascinating.
@@TeresaLeandro yeah! I swear I’ve watched it like 6 times! I’ve never seen such a blatant attempt to mythologize someone who deserves it less 😆
@@Nicstewert Same here! You definitely should read Jerry Oppenheimer’s book. The filthy mess the house was, the way the help was treated…
And the horses story in the documentary has another totally different side.
@@TeresaLeandro I think I read that book like 15 years ago. Probably time for a reread. Someone REALLY needs to write a new one focused on her.
I have never known a marriage to survive that which was born from infidelity.
King of England for starters.
@LoraD-oo9xz does it count when your ex wife was a mentally unstable shrew who screwed around first and most often, usually with married men?
Since Ethel is gone now the Documentary “Ethel” will likely be everywhere. I watched it a couple of years ago. It struck me that she really wasn’t a very nice person.
Are you talking about the one her daughter produced?
Thank you Cheere! So enjoyed this book! 😃
Great intro, Cheere. I concur.
Cheere - always a sensible and balanced perspective. Love these videos.
Hi Cheere - will you be
finishing the Mountbatten book? I hope so. Enjoy your channel so much!
Ethel had one kid after another and it sounds like that might have continued if not for the tragedy of losing the husband and father of that family.
Children can’t raise themselves and it sounds likely the kids behaved like they were feral.
I always thought that David that overdosed was such a lost soul in that family.
Mary sounded like a real piece of work herself.
Her end was self violent.
Robert was like poison to her , actually both of their instability.
@@cheribee968 You chose a very eloquent word to describe the chaos into which those kids were raised: feral. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Jackie said that Ethel was a baby maker. "Just wind her up and watch her go" )or something like that)
I love your channel. Your voice is amazing. Please keep reading books to us. Cant wait for you to read the next book. Thank-you
Maureen Callahan is much more than an employee of the Daily Mail. She is a well accomplished woman.
Looking forward to your next book. I do appreciate that you covered this one too.
My mother had BPD, and I can testify to what a nightmare it is to grow up with a mother like that. If he really was rescuing his kids from her rages when he took them away, then I’d say he is a very brave man.
Really enjoyed this book ,and loved your commentary