Josh Trank's Fantastic Four: The Controversies Behind the Release (Trankgate Part 2)
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- Опубліковано 19 вер 2024
- Our story picks up when Fox's Fantastic Four (or "Fant4stick") was about to be released to theaters. An allegedly troubled director; a studio trying to hold on to an important property; fans tired of being jerked around; all mired in scandalous accusations and rumors that border on legendary. Reality was about to drop hard.
Part 1 can be found here: • Josh Trank’s Fantastic...
"I think more realistic... in the sense of... reality, you know... I... think that's what we did?"
Man, those poor actors.
Interviewer: 20 angry P.A's or one angry director?
Cast in unison: 20 angry P .A's!
Well that's fucking embarrassing
+Samael Malkira And there's still people who say those were just rumors... LOL
+Samael Malkira ...heyyy dumb question, what does PA stand for?
+Samael Malkira ...heyyy dumb question, what does PA stand for?
Ross Stern
Production Assistant
Samael Malkira thanks lol
I want a movie made out of the making of this movie.
+Jacob Drum So much drama over keeping the rights of a movie that the studios had to make a crap movie with a loose cannon.
Talk to Jon Schnepp.
Could be even better than The Disaster Artist xD
It sounds like it would be much more interesting than the FANCRAPTICAL FARCE movie that was made!!!
"20 angry PAs"
The cast of Fant4stic.
The whole production of the Fantastic Four movie reboot is just an absolute disaster!!! It's just sad and unfortunate to see all this happen, but at the same time, it's just fascinating hearing all of these problems. I've never really heard anything like this on a movie production before, at least on the level that the Fant4stic reboot went through.
Makes you wonder how well indie directors actually do transition to big features, huh?
Bet Michael B Jordan was sooo glad Creed would be coming out 3 months later, so he could get Fantastic 4 out of everyone's mind
+chriskoob And he's now apparently been cast in the Black Panther movie, so he's completely jumped ship
+pathofoblivion he's like fuck Marvel
De'lahn Day or Fuck Fox Studio's version of marvel
OFC!
Josh Trank is the modern-day Elaine May.
Both started out in something other than directing - Trank in editing, May as part of a comedy team with Mike Nichols.
Both gained creative control and financial success from their first project onwards.
Both tried to do films that their styles wouldn't properly convey - May's low-key Cassavetes-style acerbic comedy doesn't translate as well as it should to Ishtar, a film whose entire third act is one big action set-piece; Trank's fly-on-the-wall cinema verite-style psychological thrillers more or less clashed with the outright outlandish intent of Marvel's First Family, including scenes that explain psychological motivations for the Thing's *goddamned catch phrase* and the whole body horror element of the film.
Both were given so much power that, by most accounts, they went mad - Trank's on-set abuse of Kate Mara, trashing his rental home, and his slander towards Matthew Vaughn for trying to salvage the production; May bulldozing some sand dunes because "they didn't look right."
Both also had power taken away from the start - Fox kept writing and rewriting Trank, Slater and Kinberg's script to accommodate new developments and reshoots; May was forced to shoot Ishtar overseas because Coca-Cola wanted to make use of some tax credits in Africa, even though she planned on shooting it for much cheaper in the deserts of California - which may have caused them to go on their hissy fits.
Both have become pariahs in the industry - May's reverted to acting; Trank's projects were cancelled and/or delayed after Fan4stic tanked.
+Hal Emmerich also trank is talentless hack
+Hal Emmerich "These men are pawns!"
+SammEater This may seem immature, but:
Admiral Ackbar (regarding all of the no-name rebels): "These men are prawns!"
Chronicle shows that Trank can make a good awesome movie though.
Didn't Jeremy Slater only write one Fant4stic script? Also, Trank does have Fonzo to lean on.
Honestly, I think there should be a documentary made about all of this behind-the-scenes drama. It'd probably end up being more successful than the actual "F4" flick itself!
Talk to Jon Schnepp.
This aged well...@@SirBlackReeds
Who is watching this in 2017 as the Fantastic 4 are about to come back home?
2020 here. “Home” isn’t exactly the best place, post-Endgame.
2023? WOAH...
Who knew it would be much quicker?
As of now, 2019, FANTASTIC 4 are home...
They and the x men are with thier rightful owners now
Maybe Fox will hire Roger Corman to make a Fantastic Four movie. So far, he's made the best one.
Even Roger Corman's "Fantastic Four" film was better than Josh Trank's Craptastic 4ailure!
+gamephreak5 Indeed, it had the heart in the right place at least.
+SammEater They should go back to the Corman movie and re-do the effects.
Yep. It was a bad movie, but it was the real Fantastic Four.
It's clobbering time!
*What the critics are saying to this movie*
I call bull. That movie was never even intended for release. Now that movie is a visual example of no faith.
"The film was under embargo[...] until the day of release."
Why do they do this..? It's not fooling anyone. Even if the reason for it is NOT a lack of confidence in the movie, that is how everyone will take it. Even in those instances where the movie is actually good, people are inclined to ignore it after it's been apparently hidden from them up to release.
Wow! Thanks for the video update, Midnight's Edge!
Fox's marketing campaigns had been weird. The first trailer had that Chris Nolan/Interstellar feel. Then the second trailer made it look like the movie was made by Marvel Studios. I complained about this before. I asked what's this movie trying to be like exactly?
The many interview segments you showed are indeed eye openers! It's shocking to see that these stars really didn't have any confidence in their product. And maybe they are embarrassed by it and yet they have no choice but to market it anyway. I feel sorry for them.
The Many Names of Fant4stic (as translated by UA-cam):
- Spent For Static
- Fanned Four Stick
- Fat For Stick
- Off And Forced It
And Many More!
+Glen Wang "Off And Forced It"! That's fucking brilliant!
Makes for a good acronym, too: OAFI.
I'm gonna start saying that: "I call OAFI."
Fox forced it
I ABSOLUTELY LOVE THIS DOCUMENTARY! Thank you for making it. I love learning from other people's mistakes.
You know, I didn't find the full script, but I did read a summary of Trank's original script. While I can say it was definitely going to be a different movie, it would most likely have been an "Amazing Spider-Man 2" style disaster.
The movie had (count them) three supervillains: Dr. Doom, Mole Man and Galactus. It was going to have more action, for sure, but it was just a mess coctail of scenes rather than a film (just like ASM2). And it was going to end in a cliffhanger. So no, I don't believe for a moment that "it would have gotten great reviews".
Well at least it wouldve been better than this
"say what you will about marvel but they have a vision "
+reasly dutchmans So did Ultron.
+Hunter Hughes yes that is what he was talking about, in case you didnt know
Now that Disney owns Fox, they don't have to wait for anything.
Kinda funny I'm watching a bunch of these videos by you and this one comes out. Perfect timing.
Interesting to watch the body language of the cast during those awkward interviews - defensive, doubtful, no confidence in what they're discussing, etc.
I only feel bad for Kate Mara.
+Goldman200 - Agreed. The worst part in my mind is that she was apparently pumped to be in a superhero movie and really wanted to play a superhero...then gets handed this mess.
+Goldman200 I feel bad for everyone who were powerless and just had to suffer through all of this.
+Goldman200 One night in my bed can make her feel better...
@@ionthegravity2 you may want to talk to her costar Jamie about that.
Who's stupid enough to want a 'realistic' take on a comic book movie?
+pytko3 That's fine if the characters in question lends him/her/themselves to realism. This of course is not the case with the Fantastic Four.
Midnight's Edge You can have realistic characters, but the world itself should be fantastic. The perfect example of this is Ghostbusters.
+pytko3
Christopher Nolan would.
Glitcher2000 And his movies suffered because of it.
+pytko3
Last time I checked, The Dark Knight is often considered to be the greatest comic book movie ever.
It's a damn shame that the behind the scenes story of FANTASTIC 4 is more interesting than the film. Thank you for making these videos. You have a new subscriber because of them. Well done!
+Lucas Garrett Thanks - we'll have a new one up in just a few days!
You're welcome! Thank you!
LOL I'm watching this in 2019 and Marvel/Disney was like "Fuck this we are gonna just buy the whole studio to get our characters back."
_finally I can post one of your videos on Reddit_
Ant-Man Thanks Ant-Man;p
Midnight's Edge no problem.
+Ant-Man CAN'T wait to see you in Avengers 2.5
1216Rockman Civil War = Avengers 2.5...Plus I made on the three page of Reddit!...with only three up-votes (include mine).... :(
You know, the production history is more fascinating to read or watch than going to the actual movie itself. And as a plus bonus, I don't need to pay to read or see these articles or videos unlike the bad movie (I'd rather spend my money on actual FF comics at the comic book store).
just found this channel. thanks you for having a normal voice not screaming once about shit and being funny. subscribed
Building black tents around monitors is common when shooting outdoors in harsh sunlight. Trust me I'm a cinematographer, its common practise in harsh sunlight.
I'm sure everyone involved has some blame.
EvanSol919 Yes, but no one has been as public an asshole as Trank has been. I really, really, really, really hope this is the last we see of Trank.
+electrojones They need to keep these indie directors away from multi-million dollar projects.
+EvanSol919 Agreed, although I feel bad for the actors. I don't think it was their fault at all. They are the least to blame. They were just doing their jobs. :-/
+pytko3 Some indie directors have done quite well with super-franchises. James Gunn made low-budget films like _Super_ before going on to directing the surprise hit of 2014, _Guardians of the Galaxy._ And Sam Raimi was basically into blood-and-gore horror films before he went on to greatness with the original Spider-Man trilogy.
+Amber Gray (WunPrincess) I rarely blame actors for bad movies. People usually blame either actors or directors, until finally someone says, "Wait, those dickholes can't do ANYTHING without a _script."_
Having said that . . . Kate Mara is among the oddest-looking women in the world. She looks more like an alien facsimile of a human being, not an actual human being. To put it squarely in FF terms, she looks like a Skrull. If that's not insulting to Skrulls.
I love that they call it Fant4stic. Because that piece of crap wasn't a Fantastic Four film.
The comics have done the exact same thing.
actually the concept of a body horror version of The Thing was not terrible to me. It always struck me as so silly that anyone would actually be afraid of or even psychologically put off with the Thing as a pile of orange rocks. As such, the Thing should look like the stuff of nightmares.
Seems like the drama going on behind the scenes is way more interesting than the movie itself. :P :P :P
Still remember watching this video since 2015 great year
I kinda feel sorry for the cast and crew of this film. Trank sounds like an out-of-control douche, probably from a conflicted childhood, for whom I also kinda feel sorta sorry for as well. The production over this sounds like a complete nightmare, a fiasco. You can almost see those actors pulling for each other in the awkward interviews, like a group therapy session.
2021 we’re almost there guys
Seeing the actors in those press junkets taking questions looked PAINFUL.
They looked like they wanted to get out of there and take a shower.
Let Marvel's first family come home! Seriously, that would probably overlap with a comic based around that theme.
Micheal Bay could've made a better Fantasitc 4 movie
Nah
There would be too many explosions
I'd rather too many explosions than 1 and a half fight scenes but that's just me
Reed, Sue, Johnny and Ben are safe at home with Marvel...the nightmare is over.
we need a documentary now.
Fox knew before the films release it was going to be a flop. They knew it was in trouble before filming started and the only reason they let Trank continue for so long was because they didn't want to risk losing the film rights to Fantastic 4. Despite the fact that Disney know own Fox and the Fantastic 4 rights. Miles Tellar also got into fights with Trank on set, this has been confirmed by a number of people. The problem is a lot of studios see a financial success on films that where done on a small budget and believe that the directors can have even more success with big financial films. Some Directors are better with the smaller budget films because they find it easier, but find it hard with the bigger budget films. Their are 3 directors I can name who have had this problem.
1. Josh Trank of course. Chronicle was done on a $12 million budget. From what I heard Trank struggled with this and Fox gave him a budget of $110 for Fantastic 4. He was bound to Struggle.
2. Kevin Smith. Don't get me wrong I'me a huge fan of Smiths, but when you look at his films. His best films have been film done on low budgets and most of his worst films have had bigger budgets. 2 films that show this are Gigi and Copout.
3. Gareth Edwards. He has directed 3 successful films. Monsters, Godzilla and Rogue one a Star Wars story. Monsters was done on a low budget of just $500,000. I know Godzilla and Rogue one were done on bigger budgets. But what some people don't know was the studio had to bring in another director on both films to complete them as they weren't happy with the film Edwards delivered. Like Tony Gilroy was in charge of the re shoots on Rogue One.
7:46 I honestly would root for miles
It’s funny how in the end, Disney just said screw it and bought Fox to get the rights to X-Men and FF.
I remember this, and taking sadistic pleasure in watching it fail.
Yes, Darker ! We get one black guy and no plot hole at all, instead of that is just a hole with no plot at all.
At least Hyperspace got their kind of black right, there is a black hole in the plot.
+CaptSakeMangusto It's starting to piss me off when a movie or TV series has _just one_ black guy. It's starting to seem worse than having no black people at all -- the ratio.
I made a test casting members for several different types of Justice Leagues that in the end look all the same and you know what they had in common ? No Black characters at all, not to mention Asians or Native Americans and even a list I made for a Black Justice League team up doesn't have that much of african american characters at all. My imagination was colonized by White characters so I can't wait for the remake of Roots with nordic people playing the part of black slaves and some Norseman starring as Kuntakinte.
Personally, I think Fant4stic should have received 27-40% on Rotten Tomatoes. It is truly one of the most overhated comic book/superhero movies. Additionally, I recommend reading the fresh reviews. They are quite interesting. My guess is that production really took its toll on the actors. Firing Trank sounds easy on paper, but there is DGA penalty and the PR nightmare that would cause. I believe that Trank actually did have a vision. The rights never reverted to Marvel. Flop or not, the film guaranteed Fox and extension. Sure, there's the merger, but that has to get government regulatory approval. On another note, Legion creator Noah Hawley is working on a Doctor Doom movie. I have faith in him.
with the purchase of 20th century fox by disney this all becomes moot and at this point the fantastic 4 franchise should be put back on the shelf and dusted off again in 10 years so that it can clear their name.
Great job guys.
Wow Jordan looks to be on the verge of tears in those interviews.
doesn't make sense to dump on your own film right before the open. Trank could get sued for $10M for this...
Will you ever do one about ultraman Tsuburaya and chaiyo?
Probably not, no.
A lot of us fans are hoping the rights will revert back to Marvel a lot sooner than 2023.
So Disney bought Fox to get Fantastic 4 and X-men back
I would be interested in a comparison between the choice of Trank for F4 and Rian Johnson for Star Wars 8.
They seem to be similar choices.
where's that interview about the 20 pa's! i gotta see it
2022? This is the best we can hope for?
Speculation Question... Because of all the clear negligence on FOXs part along the process..by both the studio and its employees... Does Marvel have a leg to stand on to challenge the current contract? It would seem like such a scarring of the franchise would constitute a violation of the current agreement...
+Steelbreeze420 Studios can be sued for making bad movies?!? AWESOME. Count me in on that shit! Let's class-action-suit the _fuck_ out of FOX, every one of us who sat through Fant4stic. We should be compensated for:
1. Our ticket purchases
2. Our two hours, tied to our average wage/salary
. . . but on a retroactively DAILY basis since the project was first announced. In other words, let's say we all paid $10 a ticket, and earn $10 an hour (which is low, but stay with me here). We would receive $30 PER DAY from the day _Fan4stic_ was announced, up until opening day. With however-many millions joining in on the suit, none of us would get rich, but it would be quite enough punishment for FOX.
Ben Culture no not for bad movies, they would all be out of business. But i like your idea of making fox pay..lol....But they have a contract with marvel that requires a certain effort and level of work and professionalism. This movie did not met that bar at all.. Marvel could/should argue the movie was so bad it damaged the franchise and the rights contract terminated.
+Steelbreeze420 Can't be in the contract otherwise we wouldn't have the Roger Corman movie which clearly had 0 effort put into it.
Super Saiyan Videl rofl..thats a really good point.lol. But that was not with Fox but with a different studio...since this post i have found out there are not typically quality standard built into these contracts..but a guy can dream right?
Steelbreeze420 Quality can be subjective so that would be kinda hard to threaten legal action over something like that. However their are things that if Fox did Marvel could take legal action over. For example if Fox pretty much made their own movie that is nothing like the source material but kept the name Fantastic Four to keep the license. Or crossing Fantastic Four with another franchise without their consent. Or using the Fantastic Four to promote merchandise(even if it ain't Fantastic Four merchandise still not ok). Though i think movie sponsorships like burger adverts are cool.
Marvel must be laughing in the background
I think the Gyellyenhalls should play Sue and Johnny. Tim Williams \(Trivago) as Mr. Fantastic and John Cena as the thing.
Max Jerome Too late Gyllyenhall is Mysterio.
Mysterio
and this why marvel stop making fantastic 4 comics
Miles Teller is one of the most unlikeable actors ever.
I don't understand how you can decide to spend MILLIONS and make mistakes like this.
I seem to get more scrutiny when spending €10 at my job.
So much for waiting for the rights
Just to be a conspiracy theorist-...has anyone thought that maybe Disney and marvel went on a smear campaign against this movie and it’s makers simply over the rights for these characters? As in,they wanted them to crash and burn so bad that they would practically beg them to buy the rights? I’m not saying that Trank most likely isn’t a bit of a douche bag. I’m simply saying that maybe they went out of their way to make sure they got the worst out of him and this movie through back door deal means. I don’t know and all this is just random speculation,but I wouldn’t put it past Disney considering the more we find out about them. Let’s not forget these are the same people that ruined Star Wars,are now taking the still hugely successful MCU into a garbage political direction,were called out by Stan Lee’s own daughter for being scum,AND denied a request from a father to put Spiderman on his deceased child’s grave in memory of him.
Zack Reynolds Dude, Trank really was a douchebag and the movie sucked. That’s it.
The MCU is still successful, I disagree with the conspiracy theories.
I feel like if Fox had let Trank make the movie he wanted to make and not interfered, it would have turned out a lot better. I mean, Trank's vision looked like a bleak, body horror-themed movie with no Fantastic Four joy included, and that's what the movie became in its final version, yes. Although if Trank were allowed to make the bleak, joyless Fantastic Four movie he always wanted to make, it definitely wouldn't have been what the fans would want from Fantastic Four, but it may have coincidentally turned out to be good. Probably not to traditional comic book fans, but there would definitely be people out there who would enjoy a darker, more horrific and cerebral take on superhero films, which are typically bright and shiny and full of hope. (DC's recent films try to do something like this and fail) It would have been (and still kind of is, but in a much lesser way) an alternative to the comic book movie which at this point has become cliche and homogeneous.
What we end up with when Fox interferes is a movie that's been neutered of its full purpose, and all that's left behind is a bleak and terrible facsimile of the Fantastic Four concept. Trank's movie would have been at least appealing to some people, but since it was tampered with so much, even those people who normally would have enjoyed it because of what it was would probably end up disliking it due to the attempted shift in tone and story brought on by the reshoots and re-editing of the script and film. Fox ended up stuck with a fundamentally different superhero movie that would alienate normal moviegoers but interest certain cult viewers, which isn't what they wanted. Which makes me just wonder, why didn't they just get rid of Trank's team and just start from scratch? Perhaps they felt like they had to use Trank after they spent too much time dillydallying on the project and no longer had any option. So yeah. I'm blaming this mostly on Fox. I probably wouldn't have liked Trank's movie had it been fully realized, but at least SOMEONE would have really loved it. As it is, nobody fuckin' liked that movie.
The first paragraph is a good conclusion, but you really lose points with that "neutered" bit. That last sentence, it's a stain on your post as it is objectively wrong. Contrary to popular belief, there are fresh ratings on Rotten Tomatoes; the movie has its defenders. Heck, someone on reddit made a mini-review and ultimately gave it a 6-7 out of 10. Also, there are a few different explanations: Fox didn't realize what they had until it was too late (either Trank lied or the pitch wasn't too out there) because then there's DGA pentalties and a PR nightmare, or Fox was fine with Trank's vision until the internet went ablaze from the toxic reactions to every detail about Fant4stic.
Annnd Disney know owns fox so i guess everything went full circle
Well made guys, well made. Im glad i subb'd!
I wasn't even aware that this movie was even made. Poor Miles Teller. At least he had Whiplash.
Micheal B Jordan really got an upgrade after that movie lol...
Creed (NOW CREED 2 BABY YEAH!)
Black Panther
and maybe Superman...
Hell of an upgrade.
And in hindsight all this is null and void
Lmfao then disney just straight up BUYS FOX STUDIOS
I had to skip past those interview clips at the start...it was just saddening to watch. Those poor, sad souls.
hey, whats the music playing between 3:20-4:30?
Studios are run by old people. The studio thought that a young man who made an independent movie could make a blockbuster for teens and young adults.
You know...I can't help but feel sorry for the actors who starred in this clusterfuck of a movie. I mean they're going to have a hard time recovering their acting careers after this movie. If it hasn't already ended it for them that is. ^_^;;;
I remember reading this one internet movie article that quoted "A great movie can make an actor's career and propel them onto a whole new level of stardom. On the other hand, a horrible, steaming pile of a movie can do exactly the opposite. Sure, almost every actor has at least one clunker on their resume, but sometimes a movie is so lackluster that it does nothing less than kick a star off the A-list."
They are all top tier actors
Well Michael B Jordan got a lot of positive attention for "Creed". Hopefully that "Bleed for This" movie should undo any damage this shitheap has done to Miles Tellers' career. Don't know about the other two though
+Brian Will Kate Mara has The Martian
Fox wants to make an X-men show and Marvel wants Silver Surfer and Galactus. Too bad there's so much hate between the studios.
Marvel needs F4 back, if only for the villains. Lots of A-Listers (ie: Doom, Galactus, Kang, etc...) they won't have for a long time.
They really don't. The MCU is bloated enough as is.
i feel for neither trank nor fox.
Kate marra is a beautiful woman but she's no Sue Storm
She could be a great Batgirl.
Give F4 back to Lord Feige
08:05
Reminds me of that one subplot in Mulholland Drive.
If ever a Director deserved a Gag Order...Trank is it.
Brad Bird the person that should direct a FF!
Rick Lucey Amen.
Or Sam raimi
I think they should let Marvel Studios make an X-Men TV series, with a cast different from the movies still distributed by Fox. This is only a suggestion.
Now that Kevin Feige no longer deals with Ike Perlmutter, Fox could conceivably go to Ike and ask for a FF/X-Men crossover, and he'll say yes, leaving Kevin Feige out of it completely, making Marvel Studios wait longer to get the rights back.
Who knows
+Charles Lee Nah Disney will have Ike's head as they own Marvel Studios and probably Marvel Entertainment, and Marvel Studios makes more movie for Marvel Entertainment, than Fox movies and its not just him that calls the shots its a marad of people that are apart of it that have to come to an agreement.
You mean to Feige. Perlmutter's involvement with Marvel Studios had been severed
They should make a documentary about this ordeal.
missing your link.
+thomas the tank engine If you mean link to part 1, it is now in the description;p
Miles Teller sounded pretty pissed off in that first clip.
Marvels first family should go home though
The more I think about this, the more I think that Josh Trank was a victim in all of this. Say what you will, the guy might be a dickhead, but Fox once again micromanaged everything and didn't let Trank do anything really. That probably caused his breakdown. Since he was normally a low budget director, it's not as if he could have left.
Who knows, maybe we would have liked Trank's actual vison...but we will never see it.
According to multiple news sources, the sequel has been cancelled!
+dkamphaus43 That sequel was cancelled Monday after the opening weekend. It's just now that they are gradually losing their pretense. This will be covered in great detail in Trankgate part IV.
It's difficult as a huge, huge fan of the FF, not to feel just a tinge of schadenfreüde, but I'm TRYING believe me, I'm trying.
Thank God Marvel has the rights back so we can get a proper fantastic four movie
I felt terrible for the actors. And honestly I watched the film and it’s nowhere as bad as people say it is. It’s no masterpiece, but it’s not shite either.
Funny to watch this, now that Disney BOUGHT Fox !
and yet, they couldn't have been THAT embarrassed, they did cash those undeserved paychecks.
apparently Trank made Mara literally shit herself
I feel sorry for everybody involved, even if much of this disaster was partially, mostly, or even entirely their fault.
That face palm says everything
wait the fant4stic don't belong in a world with mutants? Aren't they basically mutants by definition???
+Ross Stern Nope, within the context of the X-Men, the only real mutants are the ones born with their gifts.