Single Boys and Girls sitting at a wedding table back then is not comparable to a barley frum wedding with drinking, mixed dancing etc.. Reb Moshe wasn't wrong, but as always, if you neglect the context and his (Reb Moshe's dinim) reasoning, then you go off into craziness.
Why are you adding barely Frum, Drinking & mixed dancing to push your narrative? There's no reason (for example) single boys from a Yeshiva background over 26 & single Frum Bais Yaakov girls over 23 or 24 can't sit together & talk. What's the worst that'll happen? They go on a date & get married? Or think of this guy for their friend & a shadchan can handle it from there but at least the talking at the wedding gets the ball rolling for a first date.
@@Bulvan123 first off barely frum is common. Second someone 26 is already a man not a boy, but I don't believe single people should be in a drinking and mix dancing environment. You do mazel tov! Whos putting a narrative now.
@@user-zv9um9pb6w why do you keep saying "Mixed dancing" I've never been to a Frum wedding that had it. In fact it's the biggest no-no at a Frum wedding. His point & he's right is there's no reason a 26 year old man who goes to Minyan, has a set learning schedule, has a Rebbe, is from a Yeshiva background (wears a black hat) & a 24 year old Bais Yaakov graduate who went to seminary, davens/says Tehillim/learns, does Chesed, dresses tsnius (are these people at mixed dancing weddings?) can't sit next to each other in a public setting & either get her number to go on a date or think of a friend for them? You say it's not done? Perhaps if it was there'd be more married singles.
@@user-zv9um9pb6w And? Rabbi Roll is involved with the Frum crowd. He gives special classes at the Bais Yaakov type schools (not the modern ones). They mention Rabbi Hopfer. He is the president of the Vaad Harabanim in Baltimore which includes all modern Orthodox, Yeshivish, & Chasidish Rabbonim (& Ner Israel). This is the mainstream Frum community. For some reason it bothers you so you need excuses. That's the point. Perhaps if we went back to basics there'd be less of a Shidduch crisis. A girl I was friends with set me up with her friend. She wasn't for me but I thought she'd be good for my friend (who happened to be the brother of the girl that set me up!). He wouldn't have gone out based on his sister but he did cuz I told him to. They've been married for over 25 YEARS!
Which Daughter, Rav Tendler or Rav Siskal ? This probably happened before most homes even had a telephone ☎️. No one says it's a halacha problem for male and females to sit together. For those societies that don't want this , It is a culturally preferred thing to not mingle. Factually , more shidduchim are coming out from the non mingle societies than any other.
This is mixed seating, *for singles in shiduchim* probably with all 4 parents attending the same wedding, present in the same room. It's not a singles event.
Mingling "...was before the Chassidim took over the world." (But they did)🤔
It depends where. There are still major communities that didn't adopt the Chasidish "Chumra of the week"
What? I thought Hashem made it newly untznius to go on dates without having one's mother call 1 million references????
Single Boys and Girls sitting at a wedding table back then is not comparable to a barley frum wedding with drinking, mixed dancing etc.. Reb Moshe wasn't wrong, but as always, if you neglect the context and his (Reb Moshe's dinim) reasoning, then you go off into craziness.
Why are you adding barely Frum, Drinking & mixed dancing to push your narrative? There's no reason (for example) single boys from a Yeshiva background over 26 & single Frum Bais Yaakov girls over 23 or 24 can't sit together & talk. What's the worst that'll happen? They go on a date & get married? Or think of this guy for their friend & a shadchan can handle it from there but at least the talking at the wedding gets the ball rolling for a first date.
@@Bulvan123 first off barely frum is common. Second someone 26 is already a man not a boy, but I don't believe single people should be in a drinking and mix dancing environment. You do mazel tov! Whos putting a narrative now.
@@user-zv9um9pb6w why do you keep saying "Mixed dancing" I've never been to a Frum wedding that had it. In fact it's the biggest no-no at a Frum wedding. His point & he's right is there's no reason a 26 year old man who goes to Minyan, has a set learning schedule, has a Rebbe, is from a Yeshiva background (wears a black hat) & a 24 year old Bais Yaakov graduate who went to seminary, davens/says Tehillim/learns, does Chesed, dresses tsnius (are these people at mixed dancing weddings?) can't sit next to each other in a public setting & either get her number to go on a date or think of a friend for them? You say it's not done? Perhaps if it was there'd be more married singles.
@@Bulvan123 the frum world has a wide range people.
@@user-zv9um9pb6w And? Rabbi Roll is involved with the Frum crowd. He gives special classes at the Bais Yaakov type schools (not the modern ones). They mention Rabbi Hopfer. He is the president of the Vaad Harabanim in Baltimore which includes all modern Orthodox, Yeshivish, & Chasidish Rabbonim (& Ner Israel). This is the mainstream Frum community. For some reason it bothers you so you need excuses. That's the point. Perhaps if we went back to basics there'd be less of a Shidduch crisis. A girl I was friends with set me up with her friend. She wasn't for me but I thought she'd be good for my friend (who happened to be the brother of the girl that set me up!). He wouldn't have gone out based on his sister but he did cuz I told him to. They've been married for over 25 YEARS!
Kol hakavod Rabbi Roll!
Which Daughter, Rav Tendler or Rav Siskal ? This probably happened before most homes even had a telephone ☎️.
No one says it's a halacha problem for male and females to sit together.
For those societies that don't want this , It is a culturally preferred thing to not mingle.
Factually , more shidduchim are coming out from the non mingle societies than any other.
This is mixed seating, *for singles in shiduchim* probably with all 4 parents attending the same wedding, present in the same room.
It's not a singles event.
let them meet at the shmorg with a drink or two to loosen up
guys don;t have to spend the whole time ass-kissing some rosh yeshiva at the chosson tish