"Modern Metal Is Not Metal..."
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- Опубліковано 23 кві 2024
- Sleep Token, Bring Me The Horizon, Spiritbox, Bad Omens are not metal according to this article from Stereogum... Subscribe for more honest music reaction / reviews and to discover new music.
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#Metalcore #Metal
What should we call this new wave of metal music?
Modern Metal ^^
I'm gonna get slack but oh well. I've come to accept all this modern metal music as just something completely different to what everything with all the other sub genres such as like death metal, thrash, symphonic, power, etc. All I say it is now and I've heard other modern day bands say this as well. It's just "Core" now. It's just It's own thing now. I listen to both ends of the spectrum and I love both, but there's just huge distinct differences these days. Same thing with "shoegaze" and "post rock". Then again, for me these days, I tend not to bother with labels cause it's really just stupid. Like what vessel said himself in 2017, "Don't lose yourself worrying about genres" or something on the lines of that.
Fusion Metal
Experimental Metal
Evolved Metal
Revolutionary Metal
Expansion Metal
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I think they live under the heavy music genre and don't need to be classified under anything new but if we have to let's stick with badicore as it is as wide as it needs to be.
It's just metal in 2024. Genre has become so irrelevant since the trend is to fusion. So fusion metal unless it's clearly made to be a genre. And for the most part most of that is so generic I don't listen to it. It's just metal. It's an attitude more than a sound
god when will people grow up and realize that it doesn't matter whether or not a band is "real metal", just enjoy the good music ya'll
After marrying a country girl. I have noticed that country music has elitists too. Yalll
It's the genre dude, imagine blackened death core listed as Christian.
@@brandonredboythat’s not even remotely the same as what is going on 😂 metal has the worst elitists and always have. like he said, it’s a sausage fest. one of pretentious losers who hate change.
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Sleep Token aren’t metal. They aren’t pop. They aren’t r&b. They aren’t *sexy vessel noises*
They’re just music
Agreed 👍
they're a dream come true for multi-genre nerds
And they Treat trucker well and i will never stop giving my money to band Who treat their employe well and don't commit crime against minority.
Yup 😊@@MisterBolticus
@@MrsAntofiorini I grew up on Hip-Hop equal parts as I did metal, hearing those elements come harder than ever on this album, feels like it was made for me
These same critics were gatekeeping slipknot, SOAD, etc in the early 2000s. I absolutely agree we need to coin what they think metal is as "classic metal" so they can leave the rest of us the fuck alone.
Gatekeeping against Slapnuts?
You damn well right.
Nu was an abomination.
I like to think of Sleep Token as "Post-metal" (that's probably an older genre but I don't have that in mind). They experiment and blend different genres but usually come back to metal as the basis (even in a single track, look: Atlantic).
Post-Metal usually covers band like Neurosis, Isis and Cult of Luna. Usually metal music that relies heavily on ambience, atmopshere and tone. The metal cousin to post-rock.
I agree with you, but post-metal is already a sub-genre. I've been calling them post-djent, like they clearly take influence from the djent scene of the 2010's, but they sound different from bands like Periphery and Meshuggah. Although, in the case of Sleep Token, since they include so many different elements of different genres, it's hard to pin them down. That's why most people use terms like "modern metal" or "alt metal" or "baddie-core"
They’re a mixture of Alternative Metal, Post-Metal, Progressive Metal and some sort of Pop
I read the article and it just feels the way gatekeepers talked about metalcore and deathcore when I was a teen growing up in the mid to late 2000's. A lot of the bands he talked about Avenged, Bullet, Trivium, Killswitch, Underoath, Shadows Fall were all hated by lots of the 'real metulz' fans then, particularly as they would share bills or go on Warped Tour/Taste of Chaos with people like Fall Out Boy, MCR, Funeral for A Friend, Paramore, Chiodos, Taking Back Sunday etc. Same happened to deathcore and mathcore acts of the mid to late 2000's like Architects, Bring Me, Job for a Cowboy, Norma Jean, Johnny Truant, Suicide Silence, Fall of Troy, etc. as they hated the image of all black super tight skinny jeans and hoddies, nose/lip piercings, eyeliner, black nail varnish and (dyed) emo fringes.
To me this is just the new way to say you are either real metal or you aren't we don't want your normie influences here. It comes across to me as, 'If you don't drink beer out of Viking Horns, own a battle jacket and only listen to real metulz then do one.' The same people who slam Sleep Token, Spiritbox and Bad Omens now will be talking about them fondly in 5-10 years.
This article is also very US centric as the next group of headliners in Europe and the UK will include people like Parkway and Architects along with who he mentioned Europe has seen very European headliners like Volbeat, Nightwish, Sabaton and WIthin Temptation at the top of big festivals.
I want festivals to be a place where I can see Emperor, Amon Amarth and Frozen Soul on the same day as MCR, Holding Absence, Lamb of God, Sikth, Knocked Loose, Spiritbox, Poppy and Chase and Status. I think people have to understand that just because we may like Death Metal, Thrash and Black Metal doesn't mean we can't also like pop, synthwave, metalcore, hardcore, emo, pop punk, punk, indie, glam rock, drum and bass, etc.
It's always been the same with gatekeepers and elitists. They hate anything that is mainstream while ignoring the fact that it's good and healthy for the genre to be popular.
Back in the 80's they hated glam/hair metal, in the 90's they hated Groove metal and Nu-metal, in the 2000's they hated metalcore and deathcore, in the 2010's they hated djent. And now this. It's nothing new, they will always bitch about the labels and irrelevant things.
@@TheJordan75
Pretty sure no elitist hates big bands like Deicide so nice fallacy there.
If you think genres are not important then that's on you and explains why you tourists want everything to be one homogenous sound.
Lol no one but mallgoths liked those bands you mentioned.
"most popular songs happen to be the catchiest", our boy here just discovered hot water. Our favorite songs will always be the ones that we keep remembering because of a sound that we like. The writer's blabbering and gatekeeping, that's the juice of the article. Then saying that BMTH is metal with pop (and numerous more) influences whereas Sleep Token is pop with metal flavor isn't a solid point; like, how can you discern the precise boundary that labels music and influences into a specific genre? We are talking about a free, ever-evolving art, trying to categorise music to the extreme is a complete waste of time. Also, we've already discussed FAR TOO MUCH on if metalcore is part of the genre, but not all influences are allowed? Even thrash metal mixed hardcore punk with metal, so what are we even talking about. Metal musicians must be able add electronic, pop, even a sexy saxophone and be free of doing so, be free of developing the genre, bands and listeners will always gain from this. In fact, there's no reason to stick to the tradition and make the same music all over again, not simply because of the market's demand of following the trend, but also because stagnancy is pointless from all points of view, just like the most actual trend in the core scene of making octane-like djenty hits that sound generic, lacking stylistic personality
The incoherence of a gatekeeping mindset is also shown when bands get finally acknowledged years later, like linking park and soad having legend status now, even tho "true metalheads" used to basically shit on nu and alternative metal when it came out
Yeah that comment confused and infuriated me so much. I just kept saying out loud: "Why wouldn't you want metal to be catchy??" There's plenty of very heavy songs that I find catchy, and of course, they're my favorites!!
The desperation of wanting your favorite core bands to have the Metal label is funny. You like corecringe music? Good, nobody cares. But that doesnt mean they are Metal. When a band is Metal, there is no doubt about it, the absolute majority of the community will know it is Metal (even if it is bad). Now, if you are questioning, there must be something wrong with that band, therefore not Metal, just keep crying while we true metalheads can listen to trve Metal while you listen Sleep Token mistakenly feeling like you belong to our community.
@@victorferreira5852 Almost fell for the bait, you were convincing with the nazi elitist attitude. Good job with the trolling. If you are serious, go touch some grass man, live music with ease and have fun listening to the same 80's trve metal bands 24/7
@@victorferreira5852 you must be trolling, in that case good job for making me fall for the bait. If you're serious, an advice I'd give you is to expand your views, live music as the free art it is or go back listening to the same old bands 24/7, no one will criticize you because of it the same way you should respect everyone's tastes. Also, who are you to say what's cringe and what is not after the comment you just posted?
The problem is that all genres fluctuate and evolve over time, and people need to realize that. It’s not just metal. What popular is always going to keep changing. Pop, hip hop, R&B, and country don’t sound nearly the same as they did in the 90s, but that’s okay. Because there’s something for everyone, but that doesn’t make one artist any less true to the genre than another. And the same goes for metal. Metal can have poppy choruses or no-cleans tracks, it can have hip hop influences or it can take more hardcore influences, it can have more riffs or it can have more breakdowns. None of these are necessarily more metal than the other, just different styles, and there’s nothing wrong with that.
The way musicians see this stuff clearly differs from non-musicians. I am 58. I was around for all the old stuff. I played it. Still I don't get what people even mean most of the time when they say something is metal or not. Do you know what I remember most about that time? There weren't 30+ genres/sub-genres some with ONE band in it, it was just METAL and bands who tried to be as unique as they could be. If a band strays outside of the box everyone has put them in today metal fans freak the f*ck out like someone committed blasphemy. It's absolutely obnoxious IMO. Someone says "that's not Metal Core" or that's not "Tampon Core" (or whatever the f*ck it is) I'm over here saying "who gives a damn"?? I listen to a band, if I like it it goes on a playlist, if I don't it doesn't and I move on with my life. So many of the people complaining about something being wrong use all these labels and sub-labels not realizing putting artists in boxes is part of the problem.
As far as bands not being what they used to be, what band of any genre is what they used to be? Do you really think when you are 70 that you're going to be exactly what you were when you were 25? Musicians play music until they drop mostly because they love music. The idea they have to stay the same the entire time is absurd. Nobody does that. Nice that someone likes the old stuff. So do I but life moves on. I tend to like bands who are all over the place and don't say what genre they are in. They may play at a metal festival but they aren't going to put themselves in a box. If they put themselves in the box even for a moment people freak out when they want to do or incorporate something else. When I talk about a band and I get "that's not _____" I DGAF. Labels are part of human language I get it. It's nice to be able to use a label to describe something but arguing over it is dumb and a waste of time.
Can we just say its amazing music and not lable it at all... we all love different bands and sounds and how bands use different sounds and beats..its just amazing music..🖤☯️🖤
Labels are useful to a point. They are a tool by and for fans to find similar music. It honestly shouldn't be used to exclude bands like the elitist do.
This was very interesting and I completely agree with you on everything you said. Metal has evolved and if you don’t evolve with it, you’ll get left behind. However, I am very guilty of this myself, as I don’t listen to any of the bands that were mentioned in this video, besides BTBAM. I miss riffs, what can I say? 🤷🏼♂️ and I will welcome riffs back into the evolution of Metal any day. I miss when metal kicked you in the face right when the song starts and was 5 minutes of face melting riffs and shred, instead of having to go through 2 minutes of meh to get to the meat (meh being clearly subjective) or using pitch shifters and rely heavily on sound design and production. As someone who creates music, I am very well aware that if you don’t get with the times, your music will get left behind. I see and I feel it. #bringbacktheriffs
Yeah this is just a boomer metalhead article basically, and for his information bands like slipknot, Korn, Deftones etc were influenced by other genres including pop back then lol
I don't really care about the box music fits into, just comes down to whether you enjoy it or not. The labels are getting blended and that's fuckin awesome.
80s, 90s, alot of nu metal in the 2000s, wasn't considered metal by many ppl. This shit been going on for decades. 80s hair metal was HATED by the thrash metal heads in the 80s.
its weird how they say that metal has stopped being super heavy and whatnot when bands like humanitys last breath are around
Haha yeah, along with Lorna Shore and Slaughter to Prevail. If anything, metal is much heavier now.
Not metal and not heavy beyond a superficial level.
@@painusinuranus3689 if thall is not metal, then what is it? I mean Thall obviously comes from djent, and djent comes from groove metal.
@@TheJordan75
With the possible exception of [mainly early] Meshuggah, Metalcore and “Djent” are not Metal just wonky/hyper-tekknikul Chug-a-Lugga Hardcore/Mallcore.
@@painusinuranus3689Heaviness is far from a technical term and therefore can't really have superficial attached to it. I listen to a lot of traditional heavy metal and death metal and still agree HLB is the pinnacle of heavy. They're not the most hateful or anything and gnarly sounding but just that dimension splitting groove is what they do. The heaviest band I've heard recently though that is more traditional "metal" is Primitive Man. Funeral Doom is probably the heaviest genre though in my opinion.
At tthey moment I'm loving October ends ' new song, you should definitely react to it!
I wouldn't say that they are not metal, but in recent years metal has lost diversity in subgenres. Everyone is waiting for breakdowns, low tones and ten thousand different ways to scream in a song, everything is metalcore,deathcore or some kind of alt metal.
Can i just point out the subtle misogyny from his article by comparing sleep token to "tiktok romantasy books" as though women liking sleep token automatically makes the band inferior. The female attention paid to bad omens is just as applicable to stripping their metalhood, as their synth elements and catchy choruses. He clearly included spiritbox in the article, despite the indisputable heaviness of every song, because including pictures of Courteney emphasizes his point. When I see gatekeepers I dont hear them gatekeeping from other guys, it's often gatekeeping women from enjoying the same thing the man likes.
Probably a girl he likes/stalks is a Sleep Token fan and he can’t handle it so he takes his frustration out on a ST hate article.
This whole article is cherry picking, they linked an example of one out of 2 or 3 songs in that specific sleep token album that has no metal elements. They completely ignore Lorna Shore or Slaughter to Prevail who i firmly believe should be up there in the top 5 most popular bands of the 2020s.
Just ignore them honestly, if they cant make a compelling case without cherry picking then they don't deserve your time.
Who cares if it's "true metal" or not. Literlly just enjoy it, if you don't - don't worry about it. Go back and listen to what you like.
100% True Thank you
I agree, that most of the music nowadays is a kind of overproduced in every genre. This wouldn't be a problem - but unfortunately most of modern music doesn't reach my heart and soul. Why? I only can guess. Perhaps because the musicians don't have to say that much? So it was refreshing, whan I heard voice of baceprot for the first time. I know, that some people think their music isn't metal enough. But it reaches my heart and soul. Isn't that what music should be like - raising emotions. And if it does, is it really important which genre you would call it?
All i read in this article is "my old metal bands are irrelevent so the genre is now ruined"
You missed the point then. He was just saying that metal has changed. The first thing he writes is that he doesn't think metal is dead or anything like that. Just who is popular now is completely different sounding than in previous decades.
The avenged sevenfold joke was funny ngl
I just think Sleep Token isn't a good band, I couldn't care less what category they fit in.
While I agree with you about the difference between modern metal and classic metal, and I also find the article annoying, lol, I definitely disagree that Sleep Token is all that. Everything they make is so boring to me and unironically puts me to sleep. Too slow and ethereal for me. Out of the main three mentioned, I'd go for Spiritbox 1,000 times over Sleep Token. Heck, give me Silent Planet, Knocked Loose, Architects -- even ADTR -- but I still don't understand the hype over this band. Checked them out multiple times with intent to get into their vibe -- each time ended in disappointment. And the hype about the drummer is ridiculous. He's kinda sloppy. There's far less known drummers like Kristina Rybalchenko, Anastasia Sereda or HalDrums who are WAY tighter and cleaner than this guy. So yeah, the guy making the article is clearly biased towards classic metal and has no clue what he's talking about concerning modern metal, but I definitely agree with him about Sleep Token. Well, at least partially. They do have some bangers.
What you think about the new wave of Death Metal?
I'm just waiting for them to tune back up and tone down the boring annoying production cause you can't hear the actual riffs. Primarily speaking about the new guys. The only thing for me that's bothersome is there haven't been any death metal bands in so many years that haven't felt like the ones to really "take the torch" into the next generation. I'm still waiting
Tbh from what I’ve heard it’s kind of the same but some tech death like Archspire and Greylotus are keeping things very fresh
@METALBIRB that attitude sounds kind of gatekeepy to me. It's metal, people like it and HOW DARE you say it's samey?
As a person of a certain age...quit gatekeeping grandpa ( I mean the article). I'm 56. I've been around for pretty much all of metal. Thats from Sabbath through Dio, Priest, Iron Maiden, the dark days of hair metal and the glory days of thrash. Death metal, pop metal all of it. Metal just evolved you didn't Mr Critic/ Journalist. Our host is right and you're mostly not. Listen to your cassettes and cds and hush up.
I like all the Sleep Token albums but they have more heavier songs on their previous albums than the current one. Like the song "Gods" is probably one of their heaviest. Also going a little pop is not the only way for bands to be revilent. What about other not so popular genres like new wave, darkwave, industrial, hardstyle, synthwave etc which bands already do a lot are reasonably popular bands like Motionless in white always had there synth and industrial stuff and it would not be the same without it.
Meanwhile: Vore, the end of TMBTE: 💀
Sleep Token is also probably the biggest Alternative Metal band to burst onto the scene
The only problem with metal is it thinks it needs 12,000 subgenres.
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The whole is sleep token metal debate is just the same as early 2000's with is nu metal bands true metal
Even if they aren’t metal to you, just don’t f’ing listen? That’s why there is hardcore, deathcore, thall, all different styles. If you don’t like Sleep Token, Bad Omens, Spiritbox, ok cool, let us enjoy them if we like them, and go looking for the band that speaks to you. There’s literally 1000s of bands, you are sure to find YOUR style. It’s just a “This isn’t MY METAL, MY METAL IS HARDER AND DIRTIER” take, and it’s boring af. I like the ‘pop’ metal music, and I’ll listen to deathcore, hardcore, thall, whatever the f I want to because that’s what I enjoy. I don’t go trashing other styles, I’ll give it a go, but if it’s not my thing, then so be it. How hard is it these days to have an opinion that is just neutral?
Metal is passing you by ELI, change will always be needed for something to get a band to the next level.
Issue here’s diehard and older (age) metalheads, complaining and remaining as the “meme metal elitist”, just let people enjoy things and metal evolve
Am I the only woman who loves metal but not Sleep Token and Bad Omens?
You might just be
Metal, not metal…I don’t care. I’d rather listen to Bad Omens, Knocked Loose and Spiritbox over Megadeth and Anthrax any day of the week
Actually agree with you^
What about 80s/90s death metal?
Congrats on your bad music taste.
@@painusinuranus3689 congrats on living 30 years in the past
@@FearedAudacity
The worst Megapleb and Midthrax albums are miles clear of all that garbage Hot Topic djenty chugga lugga mallcore crap you mentioned.
Again, congrats on your garbage music taste but all those bands are rip offs of sXe 90s hardcore, Suffocation or Slaughter of the Soul era At the Gates.
Metal, not metal, don't care. All it has to do is push the button in my brain that says 'fuck yes I like this'. Explains why I like stuff ranging from Jiluka to Rednex.
BMTH, Sleep Token, Spiritbox and Bilmuri are paving the way to the future. I hope we hear more stuff like them. Smaller acts like Breakkaway and Future Static already make me hopeful for the future of metal.
Not metal.
I agree with everything YOU'VE said in this video, I personally love how metal grabs from different genres, that's my favorite part about modern metal.
My takeway with this is WHO FUCKING CARES? It doesn't matter if Sleep Token or any metal band is metal, it's just music the only thing that fucking matters is if the music is good and there's thought, emotion, and talent put into it. I love and hate the metal community so much lmao
All I know is more people need to listen to Aviations 😊
Djent (early Meshuggah aside) and core are not metal.
Ergo, modern metal is NOT metal.
Tourists like Corebirb and Nik Nocturnal need to stop trying to retcon metal.
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Metal it's plagued by Metalcore and some weird looking bands with capes and masks,,but it's much better then when limp biscuit were around
Not sure if its been replicated since or something similar beforehand, but Humanity's Last Breath really breached that "new age heavy" vibe with Ashen. Never heard anything like that album. Just thought id throw this out there with your question about the next step for heavy metal
Anyone saying Bad Omens isn't metal needs to give Dethrone and Artificial Suicide a listen.
And malice, and hedonist, and (so on...)
I mean the majority of their song on TDOPOM aren't metal, but honestly who cares? I love it either way
Sleep Token isn't metal at all. They're still an amazing band though. I think of Bastille more than anything else in parts when I listen to sleep token. I feel like they'd get a lot less hate of people would stop calling them a metal band.
Next is breakdowns isn't hardcore and guitar playing isn't music. Fundamentally at it's core, most modern metal bands are metal. It has infinite sub genres and forms as well.
I remember getting told at a skatepark when I was a kid I wasn't allowed to listen to Pantera because I had emo hair,
despite being the one who was learning guitar whilst they couldn't get a note out of a triangle lmao.
At least we have the means to publicly shame elitist plebs nowadays
I’ve given up on the whole genre category thing. I just call it metal and if it has clean vocals in it I call it metalcore. If it’s got low vocals I call it deathcore unless it has crazy riffs then I just call it death metal. If I hear a tremolo picking part it’s black metal. I don’t care past that point at all. I just enjoy the music and go on about my day 😂
Metalcore isn’t Metal it comes from Hardcore. It doesn’t mean it’s bad it just isn’t Metal. Why is this hard to understand.
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If it wasn't for guys like you or ohrion there are bands out there i wouldn't have heard of so absolute thanks for that but it comes down to preference at the end of the day not every metal head likes every metal band and that goes for all music just because the guy who wrote the article doesn't like sleep token doesn't mean there no metal
keep up the good work METALBIRB ❤
Pop Metal has been a thing forever, Van Halen was described as such when they first hit the scene, this is all very silly to get this mad about it
sorry, but for me this band called Spiritbox is a ridiculous and completely overrated average music band! They sound like a certain kind of metal, they are only "known" to me for one reason besides extreme social media feeding, pushing on Tikitoki, Instagram, UA-cam etc... Just because they have a female singer and stand out as a front woman... The quality is also debatable, in my opinion also too much on a, no, raised to the pedestal to number 1 as the best singer in metal by fans who have no idea about certain mechanisms, techniques vocally, musically, what works with instruments, voice and much more! Then there is the media and the internet, and quickly, especially in the USA, this connection catapults something not so high quality to almost a certain world top in just a few weeks! But this network of all players also destroys an artist - band just as quickly if it has to! I have seen Spiritbox at least 3 times now, heard them as a support act and once on their tour! And all these times I found this band so boring, almost bad, partly because they are not real musicians - artists who master their instruments and craft far better than average, perfectly like the really big names in the scene! No, they are first and foremost computer music software artists and sound music developers! Whenever there were "technical problems with their computer and data" the four of them were completely screwed on stage because they couldn't really play the sound themselves live on stage with their instruments and their voices! 90% of it came from a data stick, everything was produced in the studio.... They only do a certain accompanying "show" on stage on bass, guitar and sometimes you can clearly see with the drums that things come out of the speakers that the drummer didn't actually play like that on stage! For me, this totally overrated band called Spiritbox is a phenomenon in the new metal genre era that needs its own category of music - metal that is and is mainly generated on computer sounds, plus improved and sounded too perfect, etc.! For me, that's so computer metal! These are not long-haired, sweaty musicians who play with their hands and their heart and soul in their craft - heavy metal!
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Even before Limp Bizkit\Linkin Park, there was Anthrax & Public Enemy, Faith No More, Rage Against the Machine. Take Living Colour formed in the 80s that was a fusion of many genres including heavy metal, alternative rock, and punk. Also the rap artists who sampled heavy metal like Cypress Hill, the Beastie Boys, & Body Count. ST is pushing metal in new directions with Jazz, Hip Hop, R&B, Gospel drums, etc.
I mean Metal in the more traditional sense just isn't popular haha. It is what it is. You have to bring in the more pop and mainstream stuff to get the masses interested
And even then, when a more traditional band like Ghost pops up, they often label it as "hard rock". You never win with elitists. They want "trve" obscure thrash/death/black or whatever to be popular, and that's NEVER going to happen. It's too aggressive to 95% of people.
I still think that Sundowning is the best sleep token record, Take me back to Eden was more genrefluid and more pop and RnB oriented in a different way, but no doubt Sleep Token was and still is metal. But of course they aren't just metal they are so many different things we've already heard and so many we didn't that we can't really put a label on Sleep Token and that why we loved this band in the first place in my opinion. On the topic of modern metal I would say it's got to a point where a lot of bands mix sounds the same and is sometimes overproduce which I don't really enjoy but I would they how the things are going this years are blurrying our old definition of metal and we may have something new that would be very cool
To call Sleep Token just metal is a little restrictive imo. Their sound defies categorizing into any one genre. It's just uniquely Sleep Token. Metal, yes, but more then. Genrefluid is a really good way to put it.
@@WraithReaper09 i agree, call it metal is too restrictive
I see a lot of conversation regarding this... I just stopped caring. Best decision I've ever made. Do not let other people label the music you enjoy.
bands have been putting genres other metal in there music since the 90s. It's just pop has not been touched too much in metal until the past 5 or 10 years, rap, goth, industrial and country sounds have been added in since the 90s.
This article's so long I've had the oppurtunity to comment 3 times in one video
bro is YAPPIN
If it’s heavy aggressive rock music it’s metal as far as I’m concerned. It’s just gatekeeping by splitting hairs over shit that doesn’t really matter. Genres have to change and evolve to stay relevant, something the so called “real metal” scene seems to have forgotten.
I wish these new upcoming metal bands will stop doing the pop versus, rock choruses, with a boring low tuned breakdown with a couple notes or random noises thrown in. These bands don’t pull me in because they arent doing things that I look for in metal music. Theres almost no good riffs, their breakdowns all sound the same, I don’t wanna hear Ariana Grande in my metal, and I don’t want the stupid sex driven lyrics. Please can we bring back the riffs and the guitar solos and stop doing pop music with a boring breakdown🥲
Undeniably there is a difference between the metal and "metal" crowd. Sure, theres a ton of bleed over but they will always be distinct. As someone who got into metal through various core genres and is getting deeper into traditional death metal, they're just different. They will always be seperate scenes, snd whether something is metal or not does not matter. But nobody argues if Iron Maiden or Panters are metal, but many will argue that Sleep Token isnt. I think that means something. It's like there is a fear of not getting to call yourself a metalhead or being excluded from some internet space because you're not actually listening to metal. It doesn't matter, but I do feel like there are people that want to exclude others and should have the right to if their scenes don't jive with them. They don't have to accept you, it is definitely the more poppy side of metal/rock music that wants to be a part of death metal/black metal spaces, that's always been bizarre to me.
Honestly, I never really cared about genres and I’m not good at distinguishing them. I think metal as a genre is evolving and we shouldn’t try to constrain it and make all metal music fit into a certain box. At the end of the day who cares what genre a song actually belongs to when you can just enjoy the music
I've always felt Sleep Token is like a modern genre fluid version of Opeth, good stuff
Lol
_“A band made music that I didn’t like, therefore, BAD.”_ 🤡
It’s all so fucking tiring. Who the fuck cares? I listen to music that I like because I like it and I think it’s good. Other people like different music and think different music is good so they listen to that. How the fuck is that a problem?
_Here are the gates that I put up to prevent people from enjoying their life, because I am a loser and have a miserable life, my sole purpose is to make everyone else’s life as bad as mine, and I don’t care what else I drag down with me._
Do you know what I do to music that I don’t like?
I don’t fucking listen to it, and move on with my life.
Simple as that. 🤷🏻♂️
Just ignore these people and they will go away.
lol and lol, i have 43 years old, and this is just a macho man boomer crying because there is no more manowar style bands. Megadeth's Trust is metal? is it heavy at all? listen to that (I love that song btw) and then to dethrone from Bad Omens, who's more metal? I have friends stuck on the metallica/Pantera/etc era and they cannot accept people wearing pink and loving metal, or women fronted bands, etc. I think this guy should stay being Johnny Lawrence and leave the "proggies" alone. they are enough Maiden and AC/DC tracks to not being bored for the rest of his years
Just because it's not just distorted guitars for 7 minutes straight doesn't mean it isn't Metal. Just elitist melts being elitist melts. I remember this same conversation about Nu Metal 25 years ago (fuck I'm old).
This writer is clearly one of the metal elitist but the cherry on top is the writer saying how these bands will never fill stadiums and be stuck to small clubs but Bring Me and Sleep Token have sold out stadiums just recently. If anything, the promoters for the festivals like Welcome to Rockville still use the draw of bands like Metallica or System or Guns to sell the festival instead of givin the spotlight to the bands like Spiritbox or even Motionless who have had time in the scene. So it all becomes this self defeating cycle that "strengths" opinions like the one in the article
I agree with everything you said, except I also believe that Falling In Reverse is Metal and doing the same thing as Sleep Token. Heavy breakdowns, screaming vocals, and insert different genres.
The thing I feel like all these guys come back to is “they’re incorporating so much pop it’s hardly even metal anymore” and like… yeah. And I think that’s cool. I don’t even care to debate whether or not these new bands like sleep token are or aren’t metal, the problem I have is people saying they’re not metal therefore they’re bad. Metalheads need to get tf over themselves and realize that pop, hip-hop, and r&b are also great music and metal blending with other genres is great and a net positive for the scene.
That was a whole lot of "I don't think that's cool" for one article.
Just because something has heavy elements doesn’t mean it has to be “metal” and I think that confuses people.
Bro really went on a yap session just solely hating on Sleep Token, in my eyes, these are the kind of people that gives these bands more listeners and potential fans so i guess you could say he failed at making people hate them. "real metal" is exactly what these bands this knobhead mentioned are definably metal, just a sub genre of metal that suits them best
Dont tell him country had its best year in 2023 in awhile outdoing rap and pop artists are jumping there. Hardy, Bilmuri, Lakeview, Jellyroll all incorporate harder music with country.
If you have to discuss about a band being Metal or not, that means it is not. Sleep Token, Spiritbox and Bad Omens are not Metal, nor is any randomcore genre. If you call yourself a metalhead and cant even listen to any bands from old school thrash and heavy metal, not even death metal (which deathcore loves to borrow the "death" adjective, yet there is barely any riff influences), then you are just an emo modern pop rock enjoyer, not a metalhead, accept it.
If being a metal head means I have to listen to Metallica, I don't want to be a metal head. Good thing is, you don't decide what a metal head is. You have an opinion. I have an opinion. That's it. And since there is no universal law as to what defines a metal head, I will call myself a metal head, even if I listen to metal core, death core, death metal or whatever useless genre definition someone wants to come up with. I personally don't care about what subgenre a band is supposed to be. I like the sound or I don't
this article is so dumb. like wow big shocker people want to hear new sounds and not just the same death, black, and thrash bands on repeat for 20-30 years. metal is traditionally an underground subculture anyway and its thriving there. ill never understand why these dudes complain
Sounds like this guy has never heard Periphery!..
For sure, periphery 5 is fucking insane, as well as a few other recent album drops that go mental. Loathe dropped 4 years ago and genuinely blew my mind too
Those kind of guys can write articles about periphery and treat them like they’re not doing true metal unfortunately.
He means the A-listers of metal bands. They are not up at that tier.
@@eaglesandowls you're right.. they are S tier!
@@JMDrummer nope. Solid B
Sleep token's music is good for reaction videos because it's creative
Don’t care what everyone else thinks metal should sound like. All I know is Sleep Token makes me happy and I’ll listen to whatever music they make. People get too hung up on genres
The thing is... Sleep Token is rock music and no one actually has said they are metal other then people that are saying they aren't metal. We don't like ST because its metal, I think that is the problem with these drool buckets that still live in their mothers basement.
They been saying this for generations and guess what… we don’t care
Oh gatekeepers… thinking everything old is tired but everything new sucks. I also sort of wonder if he felt called out by some of Sleep Token’s lyrics.
The author to this article wrote a fucking NOVEL just gatekeeping metal
We live in 2024. If someone still want to listen 70 year old metalheads and watching Michael Jordan, just do it. I prefer modern music, modern movies, modern sport etc.
Nothing wrong with a mixture of both.
Kinda sounds to me like they're lamenting the "death of the riff" but to be fair, riffing in metal has been "dead" for 30+ years. Pantera, Meshuggah and all the Nu-Metal bands cemented this back in the 90's. Like, it's been so long, just get over it already.
Melodic metalcore was kinda of an anomaly during that time.
The thing I hate about narcissistic metal elitists is there so up there own ass and if music don't fit into there bubble they feel the need to go out of there way to trash it and shit on the people who enjoy something they hate on its beyond pathetic.. Personally I loved coerys solo stuff (cmf2) a great rock album fucked the haters it slaps sleep token don't float my boat and that's fine
"I miss the good ol'days" "everything new is trash" ahh article oh also thr very out-of nowhere sleep token hate rant lmao
and this is the problem with the "metal" community - we have too many different genre's and argue over who is more metal - just like the music you like, stop putting it in a genre
The gatekeeping in this community is out of control dude
If there is one thing all real Metalheads can agree on, it is that pretentious, gatekeeping elitists can go take a long walk off a short pier.
As a 50 year old metal head, let’s call this what it is; gate keeping elitism. If ya don’t like it, move on. Y’all give the rest of us old school dudes a bad rep. These are the same idiots still debating whether Megadeth or Metallica is better. They will never grow up, just move past it already!
definitely a gaykeeper.
Modern metal bands are doing exactly what bands like Linkin Park and KoRn did back in the 90s. They infused different styles and made their music more accessible to different groups. Rap was huge in the 90s so they ended up getting the rap fans on the metal train. Music is constantly evolving, and so are peoples tastes. All these metal elitists whine about their favorite underground black metal fusion core project not being popular when they're not creating a popular sound. They want metal to be pop but complain when it becomes pop.
What are people’s problem with trying to label everything. Annoying and get over it. Music is amazing and just enjoy it. Stop trying to put everything into a category.
Some old heads trying to desperately cling to something that used to be easily identified. These people will dissolve and rust away. No one cares about classifications anymore, no one needs to identify with a genre to be successful or make good music. It's antiquated.
metal gatekeepers are the absolute worst. Stop thinking in labels and just enjoy the damn music ffs
Start the movement today. “Modern metal” is just Metal, and the older stuff is “Classic Metal”. I’m personally not a fan of bands like Metallica and Megadeth, so it is a bit annoying when I say I’m a Metal fan and those bands are all anyone thinks of
That guy needs an editor. It is a massive rant about how I dislike modern music and culture and love nostalgia. UCK just wants guitar wankery and being technical for a technical shake.
Metal has lost cultural relevance because it hasn't been adopted and is stuck in the past. Bad omans, sleep token and spritbox are one of the few bands that finally cut through by adapting.
Metal and rock should be doing well right now as country music and more guitar-focused music are growing, and hip hop, etc., is declining. Not a lot of people like Finn McKenty, but he was bloody right when he said that this is the entertainment business, and you need to make stuff that is entertaining. Quite frankly, metal hasn't done that in years.